Poll

Yes or no?

Yes
No

Author Topic: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?  (Read 6024 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline The Unknown Caller

  • Holy Joe
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,894
  • TORIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2011, 03:21:53 PM »
And I wish I had the same powers of condescension as yourself, but sadly, in the words of a band we both like other than this one (Though where your knowledge vastly outstrips my own!), you can't always get what you want. ;)

At any rate, I don't think Stingray will be appearing on any album or EP in the future- which is a pity, as I think it should. I'm still surprised it didn't get a release on 'Wide Awake in Europe' - I think it'll always be synonymous with that leg of 360, and since its unlikely to get another release, that would have seemed perfect for it.

Offline Tumbling Dice

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 22,131
  • I won't pay the usual fee
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2011, 03:29:06 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
And I wish I had the same powers of condescension as yourself

If only you had the same capacity for self-awareness as me.



An Cat Dubh

  • Guest
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2011, 03:38:49 PM »
I dont want to sound antagonistic here, but isn't a song 'sung'. You need words to sing a song.  :-\

Offline Midnight is Where the Day Begins

  • Genius of Compression
  • ****
  • Posts: 37,282
  • Oh it's time, it's time, it's IeTOUR time!!
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2011, 03:44:06 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I dont want to sound antagonistic here, but isn't a song 'sung'. You need words to sing a song.  :-\

Actions speak louder than words.  ;)

Offline Tumbling Dice

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 22,131
  • I won't pay the usual fee
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2011, 03:44:40 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I dont want to sound antagonistic here, but isn't a song 'sung'. You need words to sing a song.  :-\

Indeed it is so.



Offline Tumbling Dice

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 22,131
  • I won't pay the usual fee
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2011, 03:46:42 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I dont want to sound antagonistic here, but isn't a song 'sung'. You need words to sing a song.  :-\

Actions speak louder than words.  ;)

We've learnt that the hard way from U2


Offline ciaz

  • Party Girl/Boy
  • **
  • Posts: 674
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2011, 04:17:39 PM »
Definition of 'song':

–noun
1.
a short metrical composition intended or adapted for singing,  especially one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad.
2.
a musical piece adapted for singing  or simulating a piece to be sung: Mendelssohn's “Songs without Words.”
3.
poetical composition; poetry.
4.
the art or act of singing;  vocal music.
5.
something that is sung.
6.
an elaborate vocal signal produced by an animal, as the distinctive sounds produced by certain birds, frogs, etc., in a courtship or territorial display.


I'm sorry, TUC, I usually agree with a lot of what you say. But here, by definition, you are incorrect.

It is not a song. It is an instrumental track. Just like 4th of July.

... although I did accidentally vote 'song' by accident. Clicked the wrong button didn't I. D'oh.

Offline The Unknown Caller

  • Holy Joe
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,894
  • TORIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2011, 04:24:12 PM »
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense but more if you can consider it a 'track' - as in, you can say that U2 open their shows with 'Return of the Stingray Guitar' rather than Beautiful Day. That's what this debate really seems to be around.

Offline ciaz

  • Party Girl/Boy
  • **
  • Posts: 674
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2011, 04:30:12 PM »
Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah I reckon it is a totally independent track. Not just an introduction.

Offline Tumbling Dice

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 22,131
  • I won't pay the usual fee
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2011, 04:32:02 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense

I agree.  It's been shown on this thread that 'Stingray' is not a 'song' in any technical sense of the word.

Quote
but more if you can consider it a 'track' - as in, you can say that U2 open their shows with 'Return of the Stingray Guitar' rather than Beautiful Day. That's what this debate really seems to be around.

I think one can say that U2 open (or perhaps I should say, opened) the 360 show with 'Stingray' insofar as one can say that U2 opened the PopMart show with a remix of PopMuzik. (with the difference being that U2 are actually playing Stingray, live).

  

Offline U2-obsessed and proud

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 24,667
  • Let The Rain come down, make a brand new ground
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2011, 04:35:32 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense

(with the difference being that U2 are actually playing Stingray, live).

  

Which means U2 open their show with Stingray

Offline Tumbling Dice

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 22,131
  • I won't pay the usual fee
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2011, 04:40:15 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense

(with the difference being that U2 are actually playing Stingray, live).

  

Which means U2 open their show with Stingray

Yes; as an introductory instrumental.


An Cat Dubh

  • Guest
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2011, 04:44:27 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense

(with the difference being that U2 are actually playing Stingray, live).

  

Which means U2 open their show with Stingray

Yes; as an introductory instrumental.



Not a U2 song.

Offline The Unknown Caller

  • Holy Joe
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,894
  • TORIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2011, 04:48:39 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense

(with the difference being that U2 are actually playing Stingray, live).

  

Which means U2 open their show with Stingray

Yes; as an introductory instrumental.



As the first 'track' they play, as their opening piece of music.

In other words, completely different from PopMuzik.

Offline U2-obsessed and proud

  • Drowning Man/Woman
  • ***
  • Posts: 24,667
  • Let The Rain come down, make a brand new ground
Re: Do You Believe "Return of the Stingray Guitar" Is A Song?
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2011, 04:49:34 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But I think the debate though isn't really about whether it's a 'song' in the technical sense

(with the difference being that U2 are actually playing Stingray, live).

  

Which means U2 open their show with Stingray

Yes; as an introductory instrumental.



Not a U2 song.

It is an original composition of music made by U2, hence it is a U2 song/track whatever you wanna call it