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Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« on: February 10, 2009, 06:09:50 PM »
Since the last tour, I have been wondering if there is a better way to do GA - keep the best, leave the rest - GA without the line drama!

Here is my proposal:

1. Tickets - Print GA tickets with the name of an album and a number.  For example, Boy 1-250 up through NLOTH 1-250 would give 3,000 GA tickets.  Adjust the number per album depending on venue size.

2. Gathering - GA ticket holders would show up the day of the concert at around 3pm to start organizing into album groups.

3. Entering - Band security would show up around 5:30pm to announce the RANDOM order of the albums for that night's concert.  The first album would be announced and that group would be escorted by ticket number into the venue; then the next album and so on until all the groups had been escorted inside.

4. Late Arrivals - If you arrive after your album has been called, you would enter with the next group.  If you arrive after all the albums have been called, you are in the back.


What this reduces/eliminates:

Ticket Scalping - there is no way to know until the album order is announced whether Boy 1 is more valuable than NLOTH 250 so scalping would be reduced.  However, as the first album is called, there may be a short flurry of offers to buy tickets but again there would not be much time for haggling.

Ticket Scanning - no need to scan tickets since the order is random for each concert.

THE LINE - there is no need to camp out overnight, weather the elements, deal with keeping track of your number in line, and other line drama. 


What's in it for the Band:  They get happy, well rested, well fed, sweet smelling and energetic fans.


Sounds like a win-win.
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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2009, 07:18:03 PM »
I see where you're coming from. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it would be fair to the people who "randomly" get called last. I think the good old fashioned first-come-first-serve system is the fairest way; then those who really care about being in the front get there first to be in the front, and those who don't can come later.

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »
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I see where you're coming from. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it would be fair to the people who "randomly" get called last. I think the good old fashioned first-come-first-serve system is the fairest way; then those who really care about being in the front get there first to be in the front, and those who don't can come later.

Well, I agree that first-come first-served is the way to go, well, almost. For many people it's not "care" about getting there early but "can't" get there early. Whether it's jobs, child care, etc. The first come first served favors the students, those with no commitments and the unemployed.

Maybe do some of each, say 60 % of the GA is first come first served, and the rest is a lottery. i dunno, there's no ideal solution and someone will always be upset no matter what system is used.


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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2009, 07:32:35 PM »
Nice plan but I can't agree. Those who get in line first should be let in first. Nothing is more fair than that to me.

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2009, 07:38:38 PM »
I have to say that I actually ENJOY the GA drama.  It's part of the U2 concert experience for me  :D 

They did randomize GA with the Ellipse entry on Vertigo which I think added some excitement and variety. 

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 07:40:30 PM »
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Nice plan but I can't agree. Those who get in line first should be let in first. Nothing is more fair than that to me.

All seated, everyone has an assigned spot, THAT is fairer !


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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 07:41:33 PM »
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Nice plan but I can't agree. Those who get in line first should be let in first. Nothing is more fair than that to me.

All seated, everyone has an assigned spot, THAT is fairer !



LOL. Very true for the non-GA part of the crowd.

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 07:44:24 PM »
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Nice plan but I can't agree. Those who get in line first should be let in first. Nothing is more fair than that to me.

All seated, everyone has an assigned spot, THAT is fairer !

Ack, they can't get rid of GA  >:(

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 06:38:32 PM »
Ok, so here is a scenario.  You are #25 in line.  You spend the night and it is cold and raining so not too much fun. Next day, you take a couple bathroom breaks and bring back lunch from a fast food place.  The guy that is #10 in line does the same.  At 3pm, 5 of #10's friends show up and get in line with him.  It is obvious that:
1. They spent the night at a hotel
2. They spent the day hanging out and sightseeing
3. They just came from a restaurant/bar and had a good meal and a few drinks.

What is fair about this?  And please don't tell me it is an isolated incident -- it happens in every GA line.


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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 07:48:02 PM »
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Ok, so here is a scenario.  You are #25 in line.  You spend the night and it is cold and raining so not too much fun. Next day, you take a couple bathroom breaks and bring back lunch from a fast food place.  The guy that is #10 in line does the same.  At 3pm, 5 of #10's friends show up and get in line with him.  It is obvious that:
1. They spent the night at a hotel
2. They spent the day hanging out and sightseeing
3. They just came from a restaurant/bar and had a good meal and a few drinks.

What is fair about this?  And please don't tell me it is an isolated incident -- it happens in every GA line.

That's when the people around need to step up and say it's not happening. If the group stays together, they will likely get their point across. It worked in the GA line I was in. Even if unsuccessful, that is still far better than having a lot of people who showed up after you getting in before you because of some type of randomization of the GA line.

We'll have tickets months in advance of the show. You can't ask for more than that if you need to plan around what it takes to be close for GA. I feel sorry for those who can't get the time they need to spend the day in line to get as close as they want, but that is the way things go sometimes. I know that they could trade their GA tickets straight up for far more expensive seats if that is what will work better for them.

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 08:35:26 PM »
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Nice plan but I can't agree. Those who get in line first should be let in first. Nothing is more fair than that to me.

All seated, everyone has an assigned spot, THAT is fairer !



I disagree! I like that the GA are the less expense seats. If all seats were assigned only the wealthy could afford the good seats!

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 01:35:41 AM »
Given that this tour is looking increasingly like it's going to be stadiums, I highly doubt there will be a complicated process to the GA - at Vertigo in Sydney, it was simply first-com, first-in. The fenced-off "ellipse" are held three thousand people, and there were about twenty thousand on the ground. We arrived at midday the day of the show and were still 5m from the left B-stage. A complicated process isn't needed for those sort of numbers. Can you imagine fans trying to organise and control a line of two or three thousand people? Also, U2 are a big band and U2 fans are a passionate lot, but the percentage of us who are obsessive enough to line up for more than three or four hours is very, very small.

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 08:27:45 AM »
Well I hope it all goes smooth when and if they come to either NY or Boston because thats close to me. I am an older fan and really cant handle waiting in line for 10 hours but I want a good spot too. I am willing to pay for a good spot because I am older and maybe have more cash, and for the teens and younger folk who dont have the extra cash let them do the waiting and get up front. As for the jerks who do the budinsky thing in line, get tough and boot them out of place.

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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 09:15:26 AM »
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Given that this tour is looking increasingly like it's going to be stadiums, I highly doubt there will be a complicated process to the GA - at Vertigo in Sydney, it was simply first-com, first-in. The fenced-off "ellipse" are held three thousand people, and there were about twenty thousand on the ground. We arrived at midday the day of the show and were still 5m from the left B-stage. A complicated process isn't needed for those sort of numbers. Can you imagine fans trying to organise and control a line of two or three thousand people? Also, U2 are a big band and U2 fans are a passionate lot, but the percentage of us who are obsessive enough to line up for more than three or four hours is very, very small.

If it's stadiums there are usual multiple entrances anyway


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Re: Proposal to End GA Line Drama
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 01:31:59 PM »
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Ok, so here is a scenario.  You are #25 in line.  You spend the night and it is cold and raining so not too much fun. Next day, you take a couple bathroom breaks and bring back lunch from a fast food place.  The guy that is #10 in line does the same.  At 3pm, 5 of #10's friends show up and get in line with him.  It is obvious that:
1. They spent the night at a hotel
2. They spent the day hanging out and sightseeing
3. They just came from a restaurant/bar and had a good meal and a few drinks.

What is fair about this?  And please don't tell me it is an isolated incident -- it happens in every GA line.



That didn't happen the way they did it at the San Jose Vertigo shows.  You showed up, they stamped your hand with a number, and you stood where your number was because they where written on the sidewalk.  You didn't have to wait there all day to secure your place in line as long as your hand was stamped.  You still had to show up early to get a good number but it was more organized and no line jumpers.