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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2012, 08:41:23 PM »
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thats YOUNG adults :) there is alot of pressure at school to be against homosexuality, but if you look at everyone as an individual, noone is truely against it, well all know we do stuff wrong, but we still do it, we are only human, and are growing up in a world falling apart to be honest!



See, but if nothing is said, those kids will think it's okay to be homophobic and will come out of school not realizing that how they feel about gay people is wrong.

Education is key. Silence is the enemy of change.

But haven't we had decades of liberal education?

God knows what the attitudes of young men are towards women with the overexposure of hardcore pornography.
I don't know that I'd blame pornography (solely), but I find it weird that "douche bag" and even just "douche" have become the catch all terms that my male students use to insult other males.  The implication (that I'm sure most aren't aware of) is that the worst thing a man could possibly be is something that cleans a woman's vagina.  What could be lower than cleaning a woman's nether region?!!

Sorry for the weird example, but I think it gets to the point being made about the use of the word gay in that ridiculous pejorative sense.  Words have power and meanings and beyond our intentions.  We don't have to walk around censoring others, but it's very easy to change our own behavior and set a good example.
 

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2012, 09:32:54 PM »
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That's not to say that there aren't lots of lovely, respectable ones who I hold in very high esteem. Like Ken, for example.
um........hell yea  8)

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2012, 06:30:58 AM »
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yeah but you have to understand the meanings of words change in every generation, gay meant happy a few generations back, words evolve and are used to mean different things, they arent used to offend anyone :) people say it without realising because its what society is like. Its recognised to have a different meaning round here now

Even if it does, I think the fact that people use the term "gay" to replace "bad" or "disgusting," etc, is almost like they are calling the people classifying themselves as gay as bad or something.
I agree! I would never term and I get angry when people do.

Unfortunately it's just become a thing to say now and people don't realize it's offensive. At least how I see it. They might stop if someone told them it was offensive, but that wouldn't stop everyone from saying it.

So, how did this thread get offtopic anyway? 8) There must not be enough teens on the forum...

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2012, 07:34:25 AM »
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...meanwhile British 'comedian' Ricky Gervais recently tweeted that Susan Boyle is a 'mong'.

Definition of a mong is? Since I have no clue.

It's short hand slang for Mongoloid, which is used to pejoratively describe mentally retarded people.



Sad on Ricky's part.  The correct term is Down's Syndrome.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2012, 07:40:53 AM »
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Lots of younger people attend U2 concerts with their parents who are fans. That is how many discover how good they are!

I must say when I joined this forum, I was blown away by just how many young & very intelligent U2 fans are out there. I love when a band touches all ages. That is amazing & I sure hope that continues! It makes an old timer like me feel younger!!

Sorry, inishfree! It came out wrong. My apologies.

Yeah, what I find interesting about my story is there has been honestly NO ONE around me who has liked U2. I sort of just discovered them by myself, which makes me kind of proud :) I even converted a friend of mine who was a Muse fan and we went to a N.A. 360 show by ourselves last May (GA line by 5:30 in the morning). Best day of my life.

No worries!   Honestly, I am not offended.  When I was your age.  I thought 55 yrs. was old.  The good news, it isn't.  Take good care of yourself, don't do any illegal drugs and believe me.  When you are 55 yrs.  You will feel young.  I promise.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2012, 08:01:05 AM »
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I wish I could believe it's something people grow out of, but I know lots of young adults who still use the term.

My concern is, if we just stand by and let it go, and don't do anything to explain why it shouldn't be done, that sends the message that it's okay. I think many teens could use some real sensitivity training on the issue.

I agree.  As parents, my husband and I, taught our children to be educated and kind.  Words like "fag, queers, lesbos" etc. were never allowed.  Our children as teenagers were taught that sexual orientation is not a choice.   All people have feelings and are entitled to the same rights and respect.   Now as grown adults who happen to be married with families of their own.  Neither of them are homophobic.  My son and step-daughter have homosexual friends. As well as heterosexual.  My grand daughter told me that one of her friends has two moms who live together.  She, at age seven, sees nothing wrong with this.  Since her friend's moms are very nice ladies.  A lot of folks could learn a lesson from her.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2012, 10:06:41 PM »
Is it really a good thing for kids/teens to like U2? They ask such banal questions anyway  ::)

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2012, 10:25:33 PM »
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Is it really a good thing for kids/teens to like U2? They ask such banal questions anyway  ::)

In my case, I believe it is a good thing. I might ask a few "obvious" questions here and there, but that's just because in the grand scheme of U2's career, I'm still a new fan.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #83 on: January 31, 2012, 05:08:47 AM »
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Is it really a good thing for kids/teens to like U2? They ask such banal questions anyway  ::)

In my case, I believe it is a good thing. I might ask a few "obvious" questions here and there, but that's just because in the grand scheme of U2's career, I'm still a new fan.

I am a teen, and I like U2... and Skelter, what does banal mean?  ;) Just kidding

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #84 on: January 31, 2012, 05:30:55 AM »
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thats YOUNG adults :) there is alot of pressure at school to be against homosexuality, but if you look at everyone as an individual, noone is truely against it, well all know we do stuff wrong, but we still do it, we are only human, and are growing up in a world falling apart to be honest!



See, but if nothing is said, those kids will think it's okay to be homophobic and will come out of school not realizing that how they feel about gay people is wrong.

Education is key. Silence is the enemy of change.

But haven't we had decades of liberal education?

God knows what the attitudes of young men are towards women with the overexposure of hardcore pornography.
I don't know that I'd blame pornography (solely), but I find it weird that "douche bag" and even just "douche" have become the catch all terms that my male students use to insult other males.  The implication (that I'm sure most aren't aware of) is that the worst thing a man could possibly be is something that cleans a woman's vagina.  What could be lower than cleaning a woman's nether region?!!

Sorry for the weird example, but I think it gets to the point being made about the use of the word gay in that ridiculous pejorative sense.  Words have power and meanings and beyond our intentions.  We don't have to walk around censoring others, but it's very easy to change our own behavior and set a good example.

There are WAY worse things to call a woman's 'nether region' than 'douche'. There is no implication in a male calling another male 'douche' unless he intends it so.

Words are loaded with whatever meaning you give them. That's the beauty of language. Our ridiculous 'liberal' politically correct society is a lie built on very shaky foundations.

I grew up at school using words like 'gay' or 'lesbo' or whatever. Doesn't mean I couldn't work out as a young adult that people have the freedom to choose who they do sex with and should be respected for it.

Lighten up already!  ;D

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #85 on: January 31, 2012, 08:08:01 AM »
Really?  If I would have used that kind of language as a teenager.  My mother would have put a bar of soap in my mouth.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #86 on: January 31, 2012, 08:52:13 AM »
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Really?  If I would have used that kind of language as a teenager.  My mother would have put a bar of soap in my mouth.

My mom would STILL put a bar of soap in my mouth.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #87 on: January 31, 2012, 04:01:15 PM »
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I grew up at school using words like 'gay' or 'lesbo' or whatever. Doesn't mean I couldn't work out as a young adult that people have the freedom to choose who they do sex with and should be respected for it.

Lighten up already!  ;D


Except that gay and lesbian people don't CHOOSE to be that way.

And it doesn't negate the fact that such language hurts gay and lesbian teenagers in particular. It contributes to a general environment of hostility and homonegativity.

I would ask you the same question I posed before: would you be so cavalier with the N word? Or is that a word that you recognize as highly inappropriate and socially unacceptable?

Society needs to start treating homonegative language as just as inappropriate and socially unacceptable.

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #88 on: January 31, 2012, 05:50:04 PM »
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thats YOUNG adults :) there is alot of pressure at school to be against homosexuality, but if you look at everyone as an individual, noone is truely against it, well all know we do stuff wrong, but we still do it, we are only human, and are growing up in a world falling apart to be honest!



See, but if nothing is said, those kids will think it's okay to be homophobic and will come out of school not realizing that how they feel about gay people is wrong.

Education is key. Silence is the enemy of change.

But haven't we had decades of liberal education?

God knows what the attitudes of young men are towards women with the overexposure of hardcore pornography.
I don't know that I'd blame pornography (solely), but I find it weird that "douche bag" and even just "douche" have become the catch all terms that my male students use to insult other males.  The implication (that I'm sure most aren't aware of) is that the worst thing a man could possibly be is something that cleans a woman's vagina.  What could be lower than cleaning a woman's nether region?!!

Sorry for the weird example, but I think it gets to the point being made about the use of the word gay in that ridiculous pejorative sense.  Words have power and meanings and beyond our intentions.  We don't have to walk around censoring others, but it's very easy to change our own behavior and set a good example.

There are WAY worse things to call a woman's 'nether region' than 'douche'. There is no implication in a male calling another male 'douche' unless he intends it so.

Words are loaded with whatever meaning you give them. That's the beauty of language. Our ridiculous 'liberal' politically correct society is a lie built on very shaky foundations.

I grew up at school using words like 'gay' or 'lesbo' or whatever. Doesn't mean I couldn't work out as a young adult that people have the freedom to choose who they do sex with and should be respected for it.

Lighten up already!  ;D

As we don't yet have a sarcasm font, I italicized my comment about how heinous it is for a man to be compared with a woman's vagina.  I meant you all to hear it in the slightly squeaky voice of my immature/insecure male 11th grade students. 

Believe me, I know there are worse comments.  But even in our lighthearted hateful comments ("He's a douche" and "that's so gay,") we show a lot about what we consider acceptable and what we don't.  I judge people by what they say, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this sentiment.  Since others are also judging me by my words, I try very hard not to use terms that have been re-appropriated for hateful use. 

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Re: Teenagers of today liking U2 ?
« Reply #89 on: January 31, 2012, 05:54:42 PM »
Saw the title of this thread and immediately clicked so I could say YES. There are teens out there who appreciate the music, myself included. Im 18 and think U2 is brilliant, really enjoy their albums, whether they were before my time or not.