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Which songs do you prefer?  (Vote for 2 songs and then post them in the thread for your votes to count)

Zooropa
24 (26.1%)
I Will Follow
5 (5.4%)
A Sort Of Homecoming
19 (20.7%)
Staring At The Sun
6 (6.5%)
Beautiful Day
8 (8.7%)
One Tree Hill
12 (13%)
Breathe
5 (5.4%)
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
13 (14.1%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Voting closed: February 26, 2012, 11:12:29 AM

Author Topic: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1  (Read 3627 times)

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Offline Tumbling Dice

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2012, 06:40:11 PM »
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TD the results seem okay, 60 votes cast for 30 members.

The votes cast to members always seemed ok.

But so far, only 23 members have listed their songs on the thread.  So why haven't the 7 other voters?

Well, they might be lurking members. The ones who have accounts and participate in polls and read articles, but other than that don't want to interact with the other members here.

That's fair enough.  So why did Droo and Bads suggest having to list the songs in the thread?

Because I think it seemed kinda suspicious that Miami randomly got 2 votes, and the other songs stayed the same.

3 members voted for Miami in a very short period of time about 1 - 2 hours before the poll closed after only 6 had voted for it out of nearly 50 voters over 2 days before and it just so happened to beat Cedars by 1 vote.   But they might have voted for other songs as well as Miami.  Just seems suspicious to me.

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The total number of votes should always be double the amount of members that vote.

Not necessarily.  Some members may want to just vote for one song or mistakenly only vote for one.

Oh. I thought it was mandatory that you vote for 2 songs.

Well no, the maximum votes is 2 and I would think everybody would want to vote for 2 songs if they have that choice.   But there's nothing stop anyone only voting for 1 song.  The point is if someone has more than one account then they could  vote multiple times to affect the overall result, particularly in a close vote.  Of course a member might be banned if the Mods found out someone had more than one account.


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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2012, 06:47:49 PM »
Zooropa and Beautiful Day

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2012, 06:51:40 PM »
OTH and SATS

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2012, 07:11:23 PM »
ASOH
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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2012, 08:28:50 PM »
It's like having a captcha thing to fill out as an antispam measure when signing up for things. Making people list their votes keeps things more transparent and eliminates any chance of cheating.

Cheating really does undermine something like this. I actually want to know fair and square what the preferred songs are.

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2012, 08:49:04 PM »
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It's like having a captcha thing to fill out as an antispam measure when signing up for things. Making people list their votes keeps things more transparent and eliminates any chance of cheating.

Cheating really does undermine something like this. I actually want to know fair and square what the preferred songs are.

I agree because cheating makes a mockery of everybody else's vote.   And I really don't understand why EVERYBODY who votes can't list 2 songs in a post, even if only the initials of the song. 

The thing is it's rather awkward because people wanna be able to see how the poll is going, but the poll results that people can see will be inaccurate if I only count the votes of members who have posted them as not everybody who has voted has posted them. 

All this never even entered my mind before until I noticed suspicious voting irregularities the other night.
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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2012, 09:10:16 PM »
Zooropa, I Will Follow.

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2012, 09:14:09 PM »
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TD the results seem okay, 60 votes cast for 30 members.

The votes cast to members always seemed ok.

But so far, only 23 members have listed their songs on the thread.  So why haven't the 7 other voters?

Possible that they just vote in the poll and don't read the post, so they don't know. I didn't read the posts for the first couple of polls.

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2012, 09:33:10 PM »
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TD the results seem okay, 60 votes cast for 30 members.

The votes cast to members always seemed ok.

But so far, only 23 members have listed their songs on the thread.  So why haven't the 7 other voters?

Possible that they just vote in the poll and don't read the post, so they don't know. I didn't read the posts for the first couple of polls.

Oh I understand that.  Normally it wouldn't be a problem, but if there is a member who is voting more than once then no result is safe.  And I have stated at the head of the poll 'Vote for 2 songs and then post them in the thread for your vote to count.'


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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2012, 09:40:16 PM »
Other than someone creating multiple accounts (which hardly seems worth the hassle), I don't understand how cheating would even be possible.

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2012, 09:42:29 PM »
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Other than someone creating multiple accounts (which hardly seems worth the hassle), I don't understand how cheating would even be possible.

You would be surprised how far some people go to troll things up. I moderate at another message board and I can tell you they can be surprisingly dedicated.

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2012, 09:45:34 PM »
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Other than someone creating multiple accounts (which hardly seems worth the hassle), I don't understand how cheating would even be possible.

You would be surprised how far some people go to troll things up. I moderate at another message board and I can tell you they can be surprisingly dedicated.

Huh. So can we reopen the Wire/Walk On poll for about ten minutes?

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2012, 09:45:47 PM »
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Other than someone creating multiple accounts (which hardly seems worth the hassle), I don't understand how cheating would even be possible.

Not to you and me maybe, but for a cynical minded person, possibly someone who might hardly ever participate on the forum, they may decide to have a bit of fun at out expense.  It's certainly possible to create multiple accounts.


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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2012, 10:01:43 PM »
Zooropa
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Staring At The Sun

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Re: 2012 Ultimate Song Tournament: Round 2 - Group 1
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2012, 02:21:03 AM »
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