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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2009, 12:47:03 PM »
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Daniel Lanois joined U2 in Montreal, November 26th 2005, for an epic rendition of Bad.  8)

He should come and play more often, he's great !

I was there...it was beautiful!

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 08:05:09 PM »
Look Jick, how about doing a little bit of homework before making wildly unfounded remarks about Eno's or Lanois' live abilities? Are you also forgetting that Bono performed backing vocals on "Falling At Your Feet", from Lanois' Shine record? They sounded wonderful together, and it's simply not a stretch that the same could hold true in a live setting. Lanois is a gifted performer and writer -- not merely a behind-the-scenes "producer". Do a bit of research. Listen to some music. Make cogent, coherent arguments based on thorough analyses.

You simply have no credibility, and the presentation of your arguments as "fact" is ludicrous, insulting and immature. I do enjoy your posts for entertainment value, I'll give you that. Does McGuiness know you're angling for his job as the 5th member of U2?

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2009, 08:31:49 PM »
Lanois also joined U2 on stage in Toronto in '05. I thought it was a good fit. Lanois as a solo artist is very good live, and although I wouldn't expect him (or Eno) to join U2 on tour, it would be great to see them at the odd show...

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2009, 08:33:15 PM »
Wow, Jick, talk about misinformed statements. Lanois has been on stage with U2 as much as any other artist -- it goes all the way back to Zoo TV, as mentioned, and has continued on a regular basis since then. He played "Stuck In a Moment" and "Wild Honey" with them a couple times on the Elevation Tour. He played on "Bad" and "One" during several Vertigo Tour shows. He tours his own songs regularly, and Edge has even guested at Lanois' shows.

Eno's musical credentials are no less impressive, going back to Roxy Music and continuing up to his recent work with David Byrne. You don't last that long in the music biz if you can't play music and hold your own on stage.

That said, I don't think either one of them would be interested in spending the next 18 months on the road with U2.

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2009, 08:45:56 PM »
And lets not forget Lanois and U2 playing ISHFWILF at a Zoo TV show, Outside Broadcast I believe.  Since I'm bringing that up I don't see it as "forgettable."

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2009, 10:55:53 PM »
I do not doubt Eno and Lanois' musical credentials.  I am sure they can play every chord from A to G, including the sharps and flats.  But in the U2 universe, they are producers and not performers.  The U2 stage is designed for the band and no one else.  There is the odd guest appearance every now and then, but generally the stage is reserved for U2.  Eno and Lanois have experience playing live, I'll give them that.  But have they toured stadiums in a night in and night out basis and get all 60,000 people involved?  U2 are the four members and they do that for a living.  Eno and Lanois are merely producers.  To me, they don't deserve the privilege of getting hired by U2 to play their music behind or below the stage.  Their wages have been paid for producing, so they have no business cannibalizing the jobs of Stuart Morgan, Dallas Schoo, and the gang.

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2009, 10:59:36 PM »
I love Danny boy as much as anyone else but there's only sooo much pedal steel guitar i can take. that said, i would kill to hear a live performance of 'falling at your feet'. i just wouldn't want the rest of the songs to be interrupted by 3 min instrumental interludes or led into after 15 mins of ambient sounds a la eno. both brilliant men, of course...special appearances would be cool.

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To me, they don't deserve the privilege of getting hired by U2 to play their music behind or below the stage

that's just ignorant  ::)   w/o them the joshua tree, therefore, u2 would not exist as they do today.

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2009, 01:07:30 AM »
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Eno and Lanois are merely producers. 

Their wages have been paid for producing, so they have no business cannibalizing the jobs of Stuart Morgan, Dallas Schoo, and the gang.

Whether DL and BE have ever been "merely producers" is very very debatable, but on NLOTH they're credited as cowriters on seven songs. They were both an extremely integral part of this record and having them on stage would be a great acknowledgment of their contribution as well as adding to a transcendental U2 experience. I agree with Matt though that I highly doubt that either of them would be interested in being on the road with U2 for 18 months.

As far as saying their wages have been paid for producing - that's just plain rude. "Here's your money, now **** off"??!! And who says that they'd be cannibalizing Stu and Dallas's jobs. I really don't think that BE or DL are going to be acting as techies. If they'd be cannibalizing anyone's job, it'd be Terry Lawless, but it's all a bit of a moot point.

I'd give a significant body part (which one depends on the mood I'm in!) to hear BE and DL onstage with U2, but it ain't gonna happen, aside from the odd one-off.
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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2009, 04:36:17 AM »
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Daniel Lanois joined U2 in Montreal, November 26th 2005, for an epic rendition of Bad.  8)

He should come and play more often, he's great !

I was there...it was beautiful!

I was there and it ruined my favorite song!!!

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2009, 07:20:11 AM »
From Neil McCormic's article on NLOTH "...7 of the 12 tracks credited to both band and producers, and recorded with a six-piece line up featuring Eno on electronics and Lanois on acoustic and pedal steel guitar..."

I'd say it just might happen, at least in part of the shows.

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2009, 07:41:53 AM »
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Whether DL and BE have ever been "merely producers" is very very debatable, but on NLOTH they're credited as cowriters on seven songs. They were both an extremely integral part of this record and having them on stage would be a great acknowledgment of their contribution as well as adding to a transcendental U2 experience. I agree with Matt though that I highly doubt that either of them would be interested in being on the road with U2 for 18 months.

As far as saying their wages have been paid for producing - that's just plain rude. "Here's your money, now **** off"??!! And who says that they'd be cannibalizing Stu and Dallas's jobs. I really don't think that BE or DL are going to be acting as techies. If they'd be cannibalizing anyone's job, it'd be Terry Lawless, but it's all a bit of a moot point.

I'd give a significant body part (which one depends on the mood I'm in!) to hear BE and DL onstage with U2, but it ain't gonna happen, aside from the odd one-off.

So now U2 have finally had the conscience and humility to credit Eno and Lanois as co-writers.  It doesn't mean they deserve to play live alongside U2.  Would Elvis have been better off if Leiber and Stoller were by his side as he performed Hound Dog and Jailhouse Rock live?  Would Frankie have needed Paul Anka by his side as he sang My Way? Would Avril Lavigne be better in belting out classics such as Complicated and Sk8er Boi if songwriting team The Matrix were with her live?

Eno and Lanois finished their jobs as producers, they got paid for that.  I am sure they might have gotten a little more royalties now that songwriting credits were given to them.  Does that make them deserving to play live in U2?

Their mettle as musicians is never in doubt.  But aside from U2 and a few other rare groups alive today, are there any other musicians who call a packed stadium with 60,000 screaming people as their home?  Eno and Lanois would definitely be overwhelmed by that and simply don't have the experience and chops to tackle that job from behind or below the stage.

Simply put, Eno and Lanois' job for U2 is done.  They were hired to perform a task and they did it.  It's not time to ask for more.  If you hire a babysitter and her job is done, does it mean she has to clean your lawn too?  There are other specialists for that.

Eno and Lanois and their place among U2's seasonal employee list and producers and now co-writers.  And that place is far far away from being considered a member of U2's live entourage, or getting the privilege to play backstage alongside U2's live show.

Cheers,

J
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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2009, 07:52:38 AM »
Amen Brother!

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2009, 08:07:01 AM »
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Eno and Lanois and their place among U2's seasonal employee list and producers and now co-writers.  And that place is far far away from being considered a member of U2's live entourage, or getting the privilege to play backstage alongside U2's live show.

I agree.  Backup hidden roadies playing additional instruments is one thing; producers (even ones with writing credits) being portrayed as additional bandmembers on stage is another.  I know it's a little irrational and defensive, but I don't really care to see or consider anyone but the four members on stage and performing.  I don't even like it when they bring out random (or not so random) people like Abba or Lou Reed to join them on stage.  YMMV.


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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2009, 08:13:45 AM »
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Eno and Lanois and their place among U2's seasonal employee list and producers and now co-writers.  And that place is far far away from being considered a member of U2's live entourage, or getting the privilege to play backstage alongside U2's live show.

I agree.  Backup hidden roadies playing additional instruments is one thing; producers (even ones with writing credits) being portrayed as additional bandmembers on stage is another.  I know it's a little irrational and defensive, but I don't really care to see or consider anyone but the four members on stage and performing.  I don't even like it when they bring out random (or not so random) people like Abba or Lou Reed to join them on stage.  YMMV.



I don't think anyone would be "portraying" them as band members any more than the Stones, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, foo Fighters, Nirvana etc did/do with the extra musicians they bring/brought along.

Still, if you prefer memorex, that's fine, or want to delude yourself the sound from the PA is only being played 4 instead of 5 or 6 people, that's cool too.




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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2009, 08:25:00 AM »
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I don't think anyone would be "portraying" them as band members any more than the Stones, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, foo Fighters, Nirvana etc did/do with the extra musicians they bring/brought along.

Still, if you prefer memorex, that's fine, or want to delude yourself the sound from the PA is only being played 4 instead of 5 or 6 people, that's cool too.


When I watch a movie, I see the lead actors and actresses.  I know the sounds they produce are probably overdubbed and the punching sounds are produced by sound technicians not part of the scene.  Does it matter?  Would it take away from any possible Oscar?

That is why U2 are U2 - they have never stooped to the low level of those other bands who have tarnished their "brand" by allowing musicians play with them onstage in a regular basis.  U2 haven't.

But we are veering off topic.  This is whether U2 should tour with Eno and Lanois.  The question is about whether Eno and Lanois deserve to be part of U2's live entourage and welcome to produce sounds backstage or below-stage.  I don't think so. 

Again, they are merely producers and their job is already finished. Just because they co-wrote a few songs doesn't mean they even share the promotional obligations of U2 such as appearing in talk and radio shows, so why should they even deserve to share a tour plane (or bus) with the band?

Cheers,

J