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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2009, 08:40:14 AM »
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Whether DL and BE have ever been "merely producers" is very very debatable, but on NLOTH they're credited as cowriters on seven songs. They were both an extremely integral part of this record and having them on stage would be a great acknowledgment of their contribution as well as adding to a transcendental U2 experience. I agree with Matt though that I highly doubt that either of them would be interested in being on the road with U2 for 18 months.

As far as saying their wages have been paid for producing - that's just plain rude. "Here's your money, now **** off"??!! And who says that they'd be cannibalizing Stu and Dallas's jobs. I really don't think that BE or DL are going to be acting as techies. If they'd be cannibalizing anyone's job, it'd be Terry Lawless, but it's all a bit of a moot point.

I'd give a significant body part (which one depends on the mood I'm in!) to hear BE and DL onstage with U2, but it ain't gonna happen, aside from the odd one-off.

So now U2 have finally had the conscience and humility to credit Eno and Lanois as co-writers.  It doesn't mean they deserve to play live alongside U2.  Would Elvis have been better off if Leiber and Stoller were by his side as he performed Hound Dog and Jailhouse Rock live?  Would Frankie have needed Paul Anka by his side as he sang My Way? Would Avril Lavigne be better in belting out classics such as Complicated and Sk8er Boi if songwriting team The Matrix were with her live?

Eno and Lanois finished their jobs as producers, they got paid for that.  I am sure they might have gotten a little more royalties now that songwriting credits were given to them.  Does that make them deserving to play live in U2?

Their mettle as musicians is never in doubt.  But aside from U2 and a few other rare groups alive today, are there any other musicians who call a packed stadium with 60,000 screaming people as their home?  Eno and Lanois would definitely be overwhelmed by that and simply don't have the experience and chops to tackle that job from behind or below the stage.

Simply put, Eno and Lanois' job for U2 is done.  They were hired to perform a task and they did it.  It's not time to ask for more.  If you hire a babysitter and her job is done, does it mean she has to clean your lawn too?  There are other specialists for that.

Eno and Lanois and their place among U2's seasonal employee list and producers and now co-writers.  And that place is far far away from being considered a member of U2's live entourage, or getting the privilege to play backstage alongside U2's live show.

Cheers,

J


I think it's a LITTLE presumptuous to say Eno and Lanois couldn't handle the crowd at a U2 show. Especially from beneath the stage?! It's one thing to voice your opinion and say 'I believe' they don't have the chops to do that, but to say they 'definitely' couldn't handle it is a little ridiculous. How the f would you know anyway?

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2009, 09:09:10 AM »
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Whether DL and BE have ever been "merely producers" is very very debatable, but on NLOTH they're credited as cowriters on seven songs. They were both an extremely integral part of this record and having them on stage would be a great acknowledgment of their contribution as well as adding to a transcendental U2 experience. I agree with Matt though that I highly doubt that either of them would be interested in being on the road with U2 for 18 months.

As far as saying their wages have been paid for producing - that's just plain rude. "Here's your money, now **** off"??!! And who says that they'd be cannibalizing Stu and Dallas's jobs. I really don't think that BE or DL are going to be acting as techies. If they'd be cannibalizing anyone's job, it'd be Terry Lawless, but it's all a bit of a moot point.

I'd give a significant body part (which one depends on the mood I'm in!) to hear BE and DL onstage with U2, but it ain't gonna happen, aside from the odd one-off.

So now U2 have finally had the conscience and humility to credit Eno and Lanois as co-writers.  It doesn't mean they deserve to play live alongside U2.  Would Elvis have been better off if Leiber and Stoller were by his side as he performed Hound Dog and Jailhouse Rock live?  Would Frankie have needed Paul Anka by his side as he sang My Way? Would Avril Lavigne be better in belting out classics such as Complicated and Sk8er Boi if songwriting team The Matrix were with her live?

Eno and Lanois finished their jobs as producers, they got paid for that.  I am sure they might have gotten a little more royalties now that songwriting credits were given to them.  Does that make them deserving to play live in U2?

Their mettle as musicians is never in doubt.  But aside from U2 and a few other rare groups alive today, are there any other musicians who call a packed stadium with 60,000 screaming people as their home?  Eno and Lanois would definitely be overwhelmed by that and simply don't have the experience and chops to tackle that job from behind or below the stage.

Simply put, Eno and Lanois' job for U2 is done.  They were hired to perform a task and they did it.  It's not time to ask for more.  If you hire a babysitter and her job is done, does it mean she has to clean your lawn too?  There are other specialists for that.

Eno and Lanois and their place among U2's seasonal employee list and producers and now co-writers.  And that place is far far away from being considered a member of U2's live entourage, or getting the privilege to play backstage alongside U2's live show.

Cheers,

J


I think it's a LITTLE presumptuous to say Eno and Lanois couldn't handle the crowd at a U2 show. Especially from beneath the stage?! It's one thing to voice your opinion and say 'I believe' they don't have the chops to do that, but to say they 'definitely' couldn't handle it is a little ridiculous. How the f would you know anyway?

He doesn't, it's just his way, constantly portrays his opinion as fact.

Eno/Lanois could easily play in front of a big crowd, they've done it already.


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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2009, 09:11:34 AM »
Well, they already did play in a couple of the songs, maybe theyre neccessary

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2009, 09:18:16 AM »
were you there when they played a few songs? The version of "BAD" that was played totally ruined the song

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2009, 09:20:05 AM »
I mean they play in the album

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2009, 09:21:59 AM »
o got ya

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2009, 03:59:20 PM »
Reading the credits in the Get On Your Boots single made me realize that it wasn't one of the 7 songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois.

It seems U2's choices for singles are carefully calculated not to be among the songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois so that they won't have to get that big of royalties. 

It would be interesting to see once the album scans come out if the possible second single (Crazy Tonight) and third single (Magnificent) are among the co-written songs.  I would guess not.

U2 are just too smart business-wise to make that happen.

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2009, 04:04:07 PM »
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Reading the credits in the Get On Your Boots single made me realize that it wasn't one of the 7 songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois.

It seems U2's choices for singles are carefully calculated not to be among the songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois so that they won't have to get that big of royalties. 

It would be interesting to see once the album scans come out if the possible second single (Crazy Tonight) and third single (Magnificent) are among the co-written songs.  I would guess not.

U2 are just too smart business-wise to make that happen.

Cheers,

J


Confident Jick? Or is that just a stab in the dark guess? I'd happily place a bet with you, that at least ONE of the future singles share credits with either Eno or Lanois.

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2009, 04:14:02 PM »
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Reading the credits in the Get On Your Boots single made me realize that it wasn't one of the 7 songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois.

It seems U2's choices for singles are carefully calculated not to be among the songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois so that they won't have to get that big of royalties. 

It would be interesting to see once the album scans come out if the possible second single (Crazy Tonight) and third single (Magnificent) are among the co-written songs.  I would guess not.

U2 are just too smart business-wise to make that happen.

Cheers,

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Confident Jick? Or is that just a stab in the dark guess? I'd happily place a bet with you, that at least ONE of the future singles share credits with either Eno or Lanois.

Well there are 7 of 11 songs with co-writing credits so "throw a rock in the air you're bound to hit someone guilty."

But by the time the third single will be out, the album will be losing its legs already.  It's always the first two singles that are key and that make the most profits.

I bet the second single won't be a song with Eno and Lanois in the songwriting credits.

Cheers,

J

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2009, 04:17:13 PM »
Oh...I thought "U2 are just too smart business-wise" to release any singles with shared song writing credits?

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2009, 06:04:13 PM »
I think they definitely should do one leg of the tour or something, without these boys u2 would never be where they are today and would probably have never finished an album

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2009, 06:35:05 PM »
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Reading the credits in the Get On Your Boots single made me realize that it wasn't one of the 7 songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois.

It seems U2's choices for singles are carefully calculated not to be among the songs co-written with Eno and/or Lanois so that they won't have to get that big of royalties. 

It would be interesting to see once the album scans come out if the possible second single (Crazy Tonight) and third single (Magnificent) are among the co-written songs.  I would guess not.

U2 are just too smart business-wise to make that happen.

Cheers,

J


Singles sales are tiny in comparison to albums, they're not exactly saving a lot of money by doing this, assuming of course that's the reason they are chosen that way, which you have not one shred of evidence to suggest is the case.




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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2009, 07:08:55 PM »
That would be really interesting.  I would love to hear the Montreal 05 version of bad.  8)

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2009, 08:18:05 PM »
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Singles sales are tiny in comparison to albums, they're not exactly saving a lot of money by doing this, assuming of course that's the reason they are chosen that way, which you have not one shred of evidence to suggest is the case.


Single sales may be tiny, but if the song hits it big it can be used in movie soundtracks and television commercials.  The equipment used to make the song can even be used in guitar, bass, and drum magazines.

I just want to clarify that this is not a knock on Eno and Lanois.  They are after all the masterminds who produced U2's masterpieces and were not part of the POP carnage.  They are great producers - but always keep in mind the word producers.  As songwriters as they pertain to U2, it still remains to be seen until we have all heard the album and the sales will speak for it.

Some of my detractors will contradict me just for the sake of saying something opposite of what I say.  But deep down in their hearts they all know that U2 will never hire Eno and Lanois to tour with them.  They also know that the first single has no Eno/Lanois songwriting credits.

My guess about the second single not being co-wrote by Eno and Lanois is pure speculation, I will admit that.  But I predict when the smoke would have cleared, my prediction would have been right.  We will know in a few days anyway when the album comes out and which songs have those co-writing credits.

Cheers,

J

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Re: U2 SHOULD TOUR WITH ENO AND LANOIS
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2009, 08:30:25 PM »
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Singles sales are tiny in comparison to albums, they're not exactly saving a lot of money by doing this, assuming of course that's the reason they are chosen that way, which you have not one shred of evidence to suggest is the case.


Single sales may be tiny, but if the song hits it big it can be used in movie soundtracks and television commercials.  The equipment used to make the song can even be used in guitar, bass, and drum magazines.

I just want to clarify that this is not a knock on Eno and Lanois.  They are after all the masterminds who produced U2's masterpieces and were not part of the POP carnage.  They are great producers - but always keep in mind the word producers.  As songwriters as they pertain to U2, it still remains to be seen until we have all heard the album and the sales will speak for it.

Some of my detractors will contradict me just for the sake of saying something opposite of what I say.  But deep down in their hearts they all know that U2 will never hire Eno and Lanois to tour with them.  They also know that the first single has no Eno/Lanois songwriting credits.

My guess about the second single not being co-wrote by Eno and Lanois is pure speculation, I will admit that.  But I predict when the smoke would have cleared, my prediction would have been right.  We will know in a few days anyway when the album comes out and which songs have those co-writing credits.

Cheers,

J


Your legs must be tired from constantly jumping on both sides of the fence in this discussion.