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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2013, 05:21:13 PM »
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The argument here is whether the shows were "sold out". And while your comment speaks greatly to the legions of casual fans buying or being given tickets to augment the usual hardcore fan turnout, you are concurring that indeed the 360 tour wasn't sold out.

               As Codeguy said above, it depends on what your definition of "sellout" is? The concert industry has one definition, you and I generally probably have a different definition.

                I'll say this, I was at the 360 show in Philadelphia at Lincoln Financial Field. I think the official attendance figure for the show was somewhere around 72,000. I know that this show was indeed a sellout from talking to security before the show. Some people in our group wanted to know if they could sit in the stands if they got tired on the field. Security said that they would not have any place they could specifically sit someone in the stands from the field because every seat would be filled unless someone did not show up, or were going to the bathroom or getting food/drink etc.

               Every show was soldout according to the industry definition of sellout as Codeguy mentioned above. Whether every physical seat was filled is another matter. In some cases like Philadelphia where I was at, according to security, every physical seat they could put a person in was sold. In other cities, sellout may have only meant the selling of all tickets released by the promoter. At a minimum, that was the case for every city on the tour. Whether, every physical space was used up for all these "sellout" shows is another question that will probably never fully be known. According to security in Philadelphia, it was a full sellout in that all the physical seats had been sold. The other cities on the tour probably had some that were soldout in the physical sense and those that were only sellouts in terms of what the promoter had released.

             Either way, the tour averaged nearly 70,000 people per show over 110 shows. That is the record. So it seems pointlessly pendantic to be pointing out that some shows may still have had a few remaining physical seats that were not sold to anyone. Sure, that happened, but you could say that about every stadium tour in history, none of which had the level of attendance that 360 had.



             

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2013, 05:28:36 PM »
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PS this came from Matt @U2

One of the problems on 360 is that they played stadiums in the US, which opened up tickets to an entirely different audience. Especially on the 3rd leg, it was not at all tough to get U2 tickets and there were countless shows where free tickets were being given awat on the day of the show to stadium sponsors, nearby companies, etc.

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None of which is to say they should (or will) skip the US on the next tour. Silly idea.

When is it ever difficult to get tickets to a stadium show? I mean, in this case your talking 70,000 tickets for the stadium vs the arena which only has 18,000 tickets. Of course getting tickets to stadium shows is generally easy due to the abundant supply.

          By the way, the ticket situation on ZOO TV for the stadiums was no different. If anything, there may have been more tickets available. Plus, there were free tickets given away the day of the show as well for ZOO TV stadium shows. I've seen that even for arena shows.

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2013, 05:37:00 PM »
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PS this came from Matt @U2

One of the problems on 360 is that they played stadiums in the US, which opened up tickets to an entirely different audience. Especially on the 3rd leg, it was not at all tough to get U2 tickets and there were countless shows where free tickets were being given awat on the day of the show to stadium sponsors, nearby companies, etc.

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None of which is to say they should (or will) skip the US on the next tour. Silly idea.

When is it ever difficult to get tickets to a stadium show? I mean, in this case your talking 70,000 tickets for the stadium vs the arena which only has 18,000 tickets. Of course getting tickets to stadium shows is generally easy due to the abundant supply.

          By the way, the ticket situation on ZOO TV for the stadiums was no different. If anything, there may have been more tickets available. Plus, there were free tickets given away the day of the show as well for ZOO TV stadium shows. I've seen that even for arena shows.

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #78 on: August 05, 2013, 05:41:10 PM »
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.

Thanks Codeguy.
Or they change what a SOLD OUT show is to create urgency and hype, please don't try to tell me if they could have sold 10,000 more tickets at $250+ per ticket they wouldn't have released more tickets. It's easy to say a show is sold out when tickets are held back and released througout the lead up to the show or not on sale at all. Its all marketing. Empty seats and empty sections are hard to hide. The final number is large but averaged out is it still the higest numbers?


            That's true, but its the way the industry works and every artist out there does the same thing. Having empty seats and empty sections was not a problem for 360. That was a problem for the Popmart Tour. The Popmart tour sometimes had half empty stadiums. Obviously that is something that an artist can't hide no matter what they do. U2 did not have that problem on 360. But if you have any video or pictures of large empty area's of stadiums for U2 360, I'd be interested to see them.

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I can only speak for what I saw and experienced in Boston almost 5 years ago, a lot of empty seats and sections.
 
The only point I have been trying to make is we are now 5 years further away from any U2 hit or song getting significant airplay. Think of it kids who were 13 at the last show are now 18 and are ready to go to concerts (without their parents) are they going to a U2 show. The price of tickets is most likely going to hit close to $400.00 for the better seats. $800.00 USD for 2 casual fans to see a U2 show is not likely. $800.00 for 2 devoted fans is likely but how may of us will be able to go to multiple shows like we used to. GA is not a likely option for a lot of us in our mid 40s to early 50s. I am not standing in line for hours and then standing for another 3 hours to see a concert, I will pay the extra to have a designated seat but won't go bankrupt to do it.
We will have to wait and see what happens with the album and what happens with the tour.

       The Tour ended two years ago, so a kid that was 13 would now be 15. The highest priced tickets on the last tour were $250.00. Why wouldn't GA be an option for people in their mid 40s and early 50s? If U2 can stand and run around for two hours so can you, provided you are physically fit. There are people older than U2 that spend all day on their feet at their jobs all around the world.

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2013, 05:52:00 PM »
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.

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Or they change what a SOLD OUT show is to create urgency and hype, please don't try to tell me if they could have sold 10,000 more tickets at $250+ per ticket they wouldn't have released more tickets. It's easy to say a show is sold out when tickets are held back and released througout the lead up to the show or not on sale at all. Its all marketing. Empty seats and empty sections are hard to hide. The final number is large but averaged out is it still the higest numbers?


            That's true, but its the way the industry works and every artist out there does the same thing. Having empty seats and empty sections was not a problem for 360. That was a problem for the Popmart Tour. The Popmart tour sometimes had half empty stadiums. Obviously that is something that an artist can't hide no matter what they do. U2 did not have that problem on 360. But if you have any video or pictures of large empty area's of stadiums for U2 360, I'd be interested to see them.

That's because 360 was a nostalgia tour and nostalgia sells, as JTBaby might say, where as the PopMart tour was inextricably linked to the Pop album.




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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2013, 06:27:43 PM »
If I was being paid what U2 is being paid I would run around on a nice big stage for 2 hours a night too. But standing half a mile away in a field with crappy sight lines , morons more interested in taking crappy videos blocking my limited view with their Smartphones, taking half an hour to go take a pi** and not get back to my spot, and just generally having to put up with 2 hours of discomfort, well none of that is appealing and not remotely analogous to what U2 has to put up with. What a dumb argument. Arenas or nothing.
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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2013, 07:02:51 PM »
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If I was being paid what U2 is being paid I would run around on a nice big stage for 2 hours a night too. But standing half a mile away in a field with crappy sight lines , morons more interested in taking crappy videos blocking my limited view with their Smartphones, taking half an hour to go take a pi*s and not get back to my spot, and just generally having to put up with 2 hours of discomfort, well none of that is appealing and not remotely analogous to what U2 has to put up with. What a dumb argument. Arenas or nothing.

              Well, if your on the field at the back, your at best 75 meters from where Bono's main mike stand is or Edge's guitar pedals. The site line from there is very good and its also less crowded. The problems you mention begin as you move closer to the stage on the field. Unfortunately, you will still have "morons" more interested in taking crappy videos blocking your limited view with their Smartphones in the stands or at any arena show for that matter. Arena shows or simply having a reserved seat in a stadium will not save you from that.

             I understand the pi*s issue because I have a small bladder myself. I generally go often during the opening acts and see if I can't hold it for U2. I've learned that all that movement back and forth is good for you as those that stayed standing in the same place for hours with little movement became very sore and stiff. If your with a group, they will hold your spot. If your on your own, you can find a new spot each time. I don't see how the two hours of standing in general admission, especially if your in the inner ring, would be much different that anyone else standing in the seated area.

            But, if one does need to sit down during a show, then I can understand why they would not like GA. I made sure when I took my parents to see U2 in Dublin back in 2005 that we had seats in the stands. I thought that was best since my parents at that point were in their late 60s and not regular rock concert attendees. Being in the stands does insure a stable site line, and closer access to a bathroom. I understand that for some people there is a greater need for that.

            For U2 though, they prefer the field to be general admission because it creates a better concert atmosphere and the freedom of the field plus the greatly reduced ticket price appeals to younger fans. Smart move by U2.

            If I had gotten a seat in the stands, I probably would not have purchased the $250 tickets and would have gone with the price range that was around $95 or $100. In any event I got to see several 360 shows at the GA price of $55 dollars from the inner ring which was an amazing experience with the cat walk and the bridges. One or more band members were often very close to where we were throughout the show.

             I think they will be playing arena's next year though. I think they want to give the big stadium gigs for a while and concentrate on a tour that they could wrap up in as little as nine months, just like they did with the elevation tour back in 2001. The tour after this one will probably be going back into the stadiums.

             

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2013, 01:23:15 AM »
The fact that people are concerned about 'standing in a field' and 'needing a pi*s' is a good insight into why u2 crowds are not very lively these days - maybe they should bring back floor seating in the usa. . . . Or even a special section on the floor where they provide a seat, a bucket and people arent allowed to stand up, sing or anything too strenuous.
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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2013, 02:41:26 AM »
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When is it ever difficult to get tickets to a stadium show? I mean, in this case your talking 70,000 tickets for the stadium vs the arena which only has 18,000 tickets. Of course getting tickets to stadium shows is generally easy due to the abundant supply.

I don't know about the US but in Europe, (unless you have a presale code), what usually happens is that the system goes down within a minute after the sale starts and by the time the site's back the show's already sold out.

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2013, 04:42:35 AM »
I found these article

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But I got a question about the 360 tour, did people in the seats have the option to go on the floor? That could be a reason why seats were empty. I didn't go to a 360 show.  >:(

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2013, 07:05:48 AM »
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But I got a question about the 360 tour, did people in the seats have the option to go on the floor? That could be a reason why seats were empty. I didn't go to a 360 show.  >:(

um, no? lol. those seats are expensive but you can't just move around like that or no one would stay in their seats, they'd all <or most> would try to get close to the stage.

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2013, 11:54:39 AM »
Every ticket that was put on sale, was sold. Not every seat at every show was filled - though most shows had every seat filled.

The tour had a record 7.2 million attendees. A record. Can we stop debating if the tour was a sellout or a success? It was the highest attended show in the history of music.

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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2013, 01:55:39 PM »
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The fact that people are concerned about 'standing in a field' and 'needing a pi*s' is a good insight into why u2 crowds are not very lively these days - maybe they should bring back floor seating in the usa. . . . Or even a special section on the floor where they provide a seat, a bucket and people arent allowed to stand up, sing or anything too strenuous.

I don't know why people don't just pi*s and sh** where they stand.  If they're going to be treated like cattle then why not behave like it?


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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #88 on: August 06, 2013, 02:02:37 PM »
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Or even a special section on the floor where they provide a seat, a bucket and people arent allowed to stand up, sing or anything too strenuous.

Then they could all 'slop out' on the way out.


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Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
« Reply #89 on: August 06, 2013, 02:09:27 PM »
^^^^^ we could revolutimise the concert experience