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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2015, 09:21:40 PM »
I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2015, 10:22:29 PM »
To a younger audience? They've been doing it for years. Hard to be a u2 fan and get shirty when they voice a strong political or social opinion. It's hardly a surprise by now, right?

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2015, 10:36:42 PM »
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery...

America was, in fact, built by slave and immigrant labor. They wrote the song specifically about immigrants but the historical fact of black people being enslaved is still extremely relevant to understanding the institutional racism perpetuated today and understanding the Ferguson-Baltimore, etc. protests.  It's no accident Bono close the phrases "hands up" and "don't shoot" so closely at the end of BTBS.  There's nothing imaginary about it. As an American, I believe America is great, and can be so much greater and stronger, if we all were to engage in the South African-style truth and reconciliation that U2 highlights on the screen, during, I think, Raised By Wolves. They sing about the 1970s Dublin bombing victims but America needs it as well. 

It's certainly your prerogative to ignore that aspect of their music, but it's something I really love about them.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2015, 11:39:20 PM »
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

I fail to see how "Hands up don't shoot" is a "lie." Yes, the phrase didn't end up applying in the case of Michael Brown, but the phrase has taken on a larger meaning (like "black lives matter") as a rallying cry against the well documented epidemic of police officers shooting unarmed black males (which is a reality, and as you say let's not forget it). Bono using the phrase is not an attempt "attract a younger audience." It's an acknowledgement of a great injustice going on in our country. What planet are you on where all the kids are getting into political justice instead listening to that newfangled EDM music? I'd love to visit.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2015, 07:04:25 AM »
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To a younger audience? They've been doing it for years. Hard to be a u2 fan and get shirty when they voice a strong political or social opinion. It's hardly a surprise by now, right?

You are correct, I guess I just don't like this application.  Institutional racism strikes a nerve with me.  I dont believe this great injustice in this country is the unfortunate police shootings.  It worries me that most don't "get" the more complex issue..afraid it only perpetuates the anti police sentiment.  Sadly I don't have faith that unlike most who post here the rest are not as intellectually minded.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM »
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So what about the cops that are now being killed by armed thugs? What about black officers who have shot whites? Or what about the massive black on black and gang violence in cities like Chicago? If you've made up your mind that the police are inherently bad then there's nothing anyone can do to change your mind. When people are threatening cops or looting in the streets then they shouldn't be complaining when force is used.

Several of these are real problems, sure, but none are remotely comparable in scale to the problem of police racism against African Americans. If your issue is with their prioritising a much bigger issue and not mentioning the smaller ones, then clearly no issue would ever make you happy. Accepting that there is a major problem of police racism in America is not even slightly the same as saying that 'the police are inherently bad'.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2015, 12:47:13 PM »
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

I fail to see how "Hands up don't shoot" is a "lie." Yes, the phrase didn't end up applying in the case of Michael Brown, but the phrase has taken on a larger meaning (like "black lives matter") as a rallying cry against the well documented epidemic of police officers shooting unarmed black males (which is a reality, and as you say let's not forget it). Bono using the phrase is not an attempt "attract a younger audience." It's an acknowledgement of a great injustice going on in our country. What planet are you on where all the kids are getting into political justice instead listening to that newfangled EDM music? I'd love to visit.

Actually, the stats do not prove this at all. 

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2015, 03:13:26 PM »
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Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?



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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2015, 03:36:50 PM »
Yeeeeeeehaw brother!

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2015, 06:50:20 PM »
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.

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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2015, 07:27:19 PM »
I always look forward to what B's pet issues are going to be each tour.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2015, 04:57:22 AM »
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Except that the same investigation found that the Ferguson police department showed *massive* systemic racial bias on a regular basis. So yeah, the specific instance wasn't accurate - but the overall movement obviously was. Unless you genuinely think the protests were just because of one death and nothing wider, in which case, well...

That has nothing to do with anything.  Mr. Brown didn't have his hands up nor said don't shoot and THAT's BEEN PROVEN.  I don't like the way Police have been acting lately, but I also hate the fact that people like to believe whatever they want because the world wide interwebs say it did.  You can't make up lies just because the Police were discriminatory.  In this day people want to believe what they want to believe.  I feel sorry for you and them.  Yesterday Bono handed me a 50k dollar check.  It happened because I just said it on the web.

Huh? This only makes sense if you... didn't really understand the protests at all. The police weren't just 'discriminatory'; they practiced massive systematic racism and they really have killed multiple people for racial reasons in just the recent past. It's true that the slogan itself was taken from an incident that was falsely reported, but it caught on not because of that one case but because of the countless others with which it resonated. An anecdote being wrong doesn't remotely discount the data.

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I love Bono but I wish he would make up his mind about America. We have him criticizing the country in one song and then telling us how great it is in another.

Isn't that exactly the point? America, like most countries, isn't all good or all bad. It's great for some reasons and bad for others.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2015, 05:17:38 AM »
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

Umm Darling, the HTBA may not be about slavery but...
a) Music can be interpreted to whatever the listener wants to interpret
b) The way the song is juxtaposed between Bono saying Hands up + Pride. One can't be blamed for thinking it relates.

Just because that quote was proven to be wrong, the sentiment is powerful.
There is too much crap on both sides, especially law enforcement in the states that is so deeply concerning.
Its a wave, we had it in Aus after the wave of Aboriginal Australians dying while in the custody of police, due to neglect and brutality.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 05:18:51 AM »
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

I fail to see how "Hands up don't shoot" is a "lie." Yes, the phrase didn't end up applying in the case of Michael Brown, but the phrase has taken on a larger meaning (like "black lives matter") as a rallying cry against the well documented epidemic of police officers shooting unarmed black males (which is a reality, and as you say let's not forget it). Bono using the phrase is not an attempt "attract a younger audience." It's an acknowledgement of a great injustice going on in our country. What planet are you on where all the kids are getting into political justice instead listening to that newfangled EDM music? I'd love to visit.

Took words right out of my mouth, the sentiment and meaning behind that statements grows far larger and deeper than the case of the poor Michael Brown.

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Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2015, 05:19:53 AM »
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.

And also believe that George W Bush was a great president.