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Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« on: July 21, 2015, 01:25:17 AM »
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Good to see great reviews piling up and proving the critics wrong. I knew in the end they will manage to turn all the hatred around :) Great job!



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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 01:30:35 AM »
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This is just perfect:

"The music was the easy part. Hitting their marks on a series of catwalks and movable stages, while tracking with robotic cameras, while playing, while (in the case of the drummer) actually carrying a drum kit, while climbing stairs, while being in the right place and right time for the lights to hit you to show you through the screen projecting synchronized video images, while relating to the audience in a movable feast of energy that turned every seat in the house into the best seat, while remembering a thousand cues, while using the entire space of a vast arena, while involving audience members in playing and dancing, while giving one of them a smart phone to record and broadcast and react to the show live, while doing a choreographed encore, replete with preaching on pet causes, while having more energy in the show than Cirque du Soleil on acid channeling a young Mick Jagger ... proved one thing: U2 has more hunger for art than a twenty-something wanna-be just starting out. I mean who made them work THIS hard?! Why? Mission. What? To prove that rock isn't B.S. and that rock gods aren't all lazy pricks. Purpose? To channel the creative spirit of the universe and a loving creator. So what is the show? Proof that U2 cares enough to reinvent the rock show and learn very new tricks. The Innocence & Experience show is one long f*** you to meaninglessness. It is more ballet than music, more theater than rock, more art show than glam show. "

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 02:30:48 PM »
Pretty much everything I hoped they would be in 2015. Bring on Phase 2 in the autumn.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 08:45:21 PM »
"while relating to the audience in a movable feast of energy that turned every seat in the house into the best seat"

This guy obviously wasn't sitting in the seats myself and my buddies were. Couldn't see the screen at all and couldn't see the band for about half the show, and paid full price for the tickets.

"It is more ballet than music, more theater than rock, more art show than glam show."

Unfortunately for some this is true. I thought the show was to choreographed for my liking. I know a lot of fans love the I&E tour, but it was my worst U2 concert experience. In a stadium I see the need for the big show as they have to project to 70,000 seats a football field away, but in an arena they are good enough to put on a fantastic show based on them, the songs, and the audience.

I was at the show in a group of 10 of us, and I asked 1 guy what he thought after it finished. This guy is a musician himself and has seen 100's of shows. His response while looking out over the stage was "they don't need all this, they've got the songs". That summed it up perfectly for me. They got the songs, just put a 110% into the songs and you'll give a great show. They built a career on giving 110% in the past in their live shows, but some of the songs now are just played bare bones without some of the spark we saw before. No extended solo/coda for songs like Mysterious Ways or One for example.

For all who are enjoying this tour I'm happy for you, but unfortunately for me they aren't an amazing live act anymore.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 08:59:15 PM »
So Cruel, I think your experience may have been the minority or just a bad spot in a certain venue. U2 is continually adjusting audio and Joe walks the floor to check things out pre show. U2 and company care what the fan experience will be.

I've been to 14 shows so far, 3 in seats - Nosebleed on an angle from the e stage, centered behind the main stage in the 100s section, and 1 full on center of the e stage and more than midway up from the floor. I actually enjoyed seeing that end stage screen as it showed close ups of the band members that were not shown on the large catwalk screen. I really couldn't see the catwalk screen that well, but I could see it some. There are still other lighting effects at the main stage and e stage. The catwalk screen is not in continual use, but it is indeed gorgeous and adds to the story.

As far as your negative comments go on U2 as a great rock and roll act, I've made it a point to ask many long time fans about their experiences/reviews on U2's tours over the years and no one has ranked this tour near the bottom. Some actually rank it higher than Zoo TV or at least equal. Many say it's an ideal combination of the intimacy of Elevation and spectacle/show of Zoo.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 08:59:33 PM »
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So Cruel, I really think your show was an anomaly. I've been to

I hear you and I'm really happy for fans like you who are really into this tour.

We all obviously love U2 and each in our own way. I got in U2 in high school when Rattle and Hum came out and became obsessed when Achtung Baby was released. I lived and breathed U2 back then, and I typically would play the bootlegs I had instead of the albums. I've listened to some key Lovetown, Zoo TV, and Popmart boots more then any of their albums. I absolutely loved the live renditions of those songs during their prime years. Bono took everything to a new level which propelled the rest of the band. For me the true renditions of songs like With or Without You, Bad, One, Mysterious Ways, are the ones I listened to from the boots during that period. Now when I hear them live they are played pretty bare boned and for me are missing the spark that I hear when I listen to the shows from their prime period, and thus I don't enjoy the band live like I used to.

Maybe if I hadn't listened to those old shows so much I'd be happy with the current live shows.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 09:43:19 PM »
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So Cruel, I really think your show was an anomaly. I've been to

I hear you and I'm really happy for fans like you who are really into this tour.

We all obviously love U2 and each in our own way. I got in U2 in high school when Rattle and Hum came out and became obsessed when Achtung Baby was released. I lived and breathed U2 back then, and I typically would play the bootlegs I had instead of the albums. I've listened to some key Lovetown, Zoo TV, and Popmart boots more then any of their albums. I absolutely loved the live renditions of those songs during their prime years. Bono took everything to a new level which propelled the rest of the band. For me the true renditions of songs like With or Without You, Bad, One, Mysterious Ways, are the ones I listened to from the boots during that period. Now when I hear them live they are played pretty bare boned and for me are missing the spark that I hear when I listen to the shows from their prime period, and thus I don't enjoy the band live like I used to.

Maybe if I hadn't listened to those old shows so much I'd be happy with the current live shows.

Remind me which show you saw. I'm truly perplexed that you had a less than amazing time even given your explanation of watching the old shows. I understand that we are all aging and that plays into it, of course none of us can ever be young again. Yet, here is U2 not only measuring up but spilling over the brim with their bounty this tour. I describe what I'm seeing by stating I need U2's time machine. I'm truly shocked by them.

I've seen many concerts since 360 when U2 reignited my passion for live shows. I am sure that U2 has as much energy and often MORE than these very good YOUNG bands I'm seeing. Only New Politics and Switchfoot equal U2 in their energy level. Even favorite groups of mine I've recently seen live such as Phantogram, Royal Blood, Foster the People, The Killers, Florence and the Machine, Coldplay, Noel Gallagher, and Muse don't hit U2's current level.

I don't really care much for Bullet The Blue Sky and yet this tour it's captured my full attention and then some. It's a definite stand out. Pride is so reinvigorated; I daresay it surpasses Streets for me this tour. It's a revelation. Then there are the new songs - Cedarwood Road and Raised by Wolves as well as Every Breaking Wave in particular.

I'm stumped and a bit bummed for you.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 10:07:59 PM »
My u2 experiences go as far back as 1984 and I can honestly say the I&E tour shows that I attended were some of the best U2 shows I have ever seen.
U2 has proven to me they are by far the best live act today.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 10:49:40 PM »
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So Cruel, I really think your show was an anomaly. I've been to

I hear you and I'm really happy for fans like you who are really into this tour.

We all obviously love U2 and each in our own way. I got in U2 in high school when Rattle and Hum came out and became obsessed when Achtung Baby was released. I lived and breathed U2 back then, and I typically would play the bootlegs I had instead of the albums. I've listened to some key Lovetown, Zoo TV, and Popmart boots more then any of their albums. I absolutely loved the live renditions of those songs during their prime years. Bono took everything to a new level which propelled the rest of the band. For me the true renditions of songs like With or Without You, Bad, One, Mysterious Ways, are the ones I listened to from the boots during that period. Now when I hear them live they are played pretty bare boned and for me are missing the spark that I hear when I listen to the shows from their prime period, and thus I don't enjoy the band live like I used to.

Maybe if I hadn't listened to those old shows so much I'd be happy with the current live shows.

Remind me which show you saw. I'm truly perplexed that you had a less than amazing time even given your explanation of watching the old shows. I understand that we are all aging and that plays into it, of course none of us can ever be young again. Yet, here is U2 not only measuring up but spilling over the brim with their bounty this tour. I describe what I'm seeing by stating I need U2's time machine. I'm truly shocked by them.

I've seen many concerts since 360 when U2 reignited my passion for live shows. I am sure that U2 has as much energy and often MORE than these very good YOUNG bands I'm seeing. Only New Politics and Switchfoot equal U2 in their energy level. Even favorite groups of mine I've recently seen live such as Phantogram, Royal Blood, Foster the People, The Killers, Florence and the Machine, Coldplay, Noel Gallagher, and Muse don't hit U2's current level.

I don't really care much for Bullet The Blue Sky and yet this tour it's captured my full attention and then some. It's a definite stand out. Pride is so reinvigorated; I daresay it surpasses Streets for me this tour. It's a revelation. Then there are the new songs - Cedarwood Road and Raised by Wolves as well as Every Breaking Wave in particular.

I'm stumped and a bit bummed for you.

But Mom, no offense, but I think your U2 mania started on 360 correct?  That's a completely different reference point versus those who have been following since 30+ years ago. 

I have enjoyed my few shows so far, but honestly the band are nowhere near the zeitgeist they had back in the day.  Sorry.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 10:51:48 PM »
No problem, Sly Danner, yes, everything changed for me as a fan after finally seeing U2 live on 360. I don't count myself as the barometer, though.

Tell me who tops them RIGHT NOW. I want to seem them too!

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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 10:53:59 PM »
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So Cruel, I really think your show was an anomaly. I've been to

I hear you and I'm really happy for fans like you who are really into this tour.

We all obviously love U2 and each in our own way. I got in U2 in high school when Rattle and Hum came out and became obsessed when Achtung Baby was released. I lived and breathed U2 back then, and I typically would play the bootlegs I had instead of the albums. I've listened to some key Lovetown, Zoo TV, and Popmart boots more then any of their albums. I absolutely loved the live renditions of those songs during their prime years. Bono took everything to a new level which propelled the rest of the band. For me the true renditions of songs like With or Without You, Bad, One, Mysterious Ways, are the ones I listened to from the boots during that period. Now when I hear them live they are played pretty bare boned and for me are missing the spark that I hear when I listen to the shows from their prime period, and thus I don't enjoy the band live like I used to.

Maybe if I hadn't listened to those old shows so much I'd be happy with the current live shows.

Remind me which show you saw. I'm truly perplexed that you had a less than amazing time even given your explanation of watching the old shows. I understand that we are all aging and that plays into it, of course none of us can ever be young again. Yet, here is U2 not only measuring up but spilling over the brim with their bounty this tour. I describe what I'm seeing by stating I need U2's time machine. I'm truly shocked by them.

I've seen many concerts since 360 when U2 reignited my passion for live shows. I am sure that U2 has as much energy and often MORE than these very good YOUNG bands I'm seeing. Only New Politics and Switchfoot equal U2 in their energy level. Even favorite groups of mine I've recently seen live such as Phantogram, Royal Blood, Foster the People, The Killers, Florence and the Machine, Coldplay, Noel Gallagher, and Muse don't hit U2's current level.

I don't really care much for Bullet The Blue Sky and yet this tour it's captured my full attention and then some. It's a definite stand out. Pride is so reinvigorated; I daresay it surpasses Streets for me this tour. It's a revelation. Then there are the new songs - Cedarwood Road and Raised by Wolves as well as Every Breaking Wave in particular.

I'm stumped and a bit bummed for you.

Don't be stumped or bummed for me, I still got my bootleg cd's to listen to!

To be clear I'm not trying to bash the band or the show, I'm just giving my honest opinion. It's not like the shows are horrible or anything either to me, even a "bad" U2 show for me is still better then 70% of the others shows out there now. There were moments I really enjoyed when I saw them. Out of Control was great. The band seems to really be able to play the songs from the first few albums really well still. From the Youtube clips I've seen Gloria and Electric Co are really going over well.

But what I was getting at in my previous post was more about how a lot of the old songs for me are not performed with the same spark or "magic" that they used to be played with. As I commented before I listened to Lovetown, Zoo TV, and Popmart boots a lot more then I've listened to the actual studio alums so a lot of the live performances from those periods are how I hear those classic songs and are what I compare the current live renditions to.

For example, listen to this version of One from 1992, especially the last 3 minutes. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Now listen to a version of One from the current tour. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
For me it's not even close. The passion (and the range) that Bono sings this in his prime is just on a different level then it is now, and because he can't take it to the next level we don't get some of the awesome extended versions anymore. It's just bare bones now. So when I see them live or listen to the current shows I'm not blown away by them like I used to be. I'm sitting there thinking this is nice, but it's not blowing me away like they did in their prime.

Once again I'm happy for everyone who's loving the last few tours, I kinda wish I was to.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 11:03:13 PM »
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So Cruel, I really think your show was an anomaly. I've been to

I hear you and I'm really happy for fans like you who are really into this tour.

We all obviously love U2 and each in our own way. I got in U2 in high school when Rattle and Hum came out and became obsessed when Achtung Baby was released. I lived and breathed U2 back then, and I typically would play the bootlegs I had instead of the albums. I've listened to some key Lovetown, Zoo TV, and Popmart boots more then any of their albums. I absolutely loved the live renditions of those songs during their prime years. Bono took everything to a new level which propelled the rest of the band. For me the true renditions of songs like With or Without You, Bad, One, Mysterious Ways, are the ones I listened to from the boots during that period. Now when I hear them live they are played pretty bare boned and for me are missing the spark that I hear when I listen to the shows from their prime period, and thus I don't enjoy the band live like I used to.

Maybe if I hadn't listened to those old shows so much I'd be happy with the current live shows.

Remind me which show you saw. I'm truly perplexed that you had a less than amazing time even given your explanation of watching the old shows. I understand that we are all aging and that plays into it, of course none of us can ever be young again. Yet, here is U2 not only measuring up but spilling over the brim with their bounty this tour. I describe what I'm seeing by stating I need U2's time machine. I'm truly shocked by them.

I've seen many concerts since 360 when U2 reignited my passion for live shows. I am sure that U2 has as much energy and often MORE than these very good YOUNG bands I'm seeing. Only New Politics and Switchfoot equal U2 in their energy level. Even favorite groups of mine I've recently seen live such as Phantogram, Royal Blood, Foster the People, The Killers, Florence and the Machine, Coldplay, Noel Gallagher, and Muse don't hit U2's current level.

I don't really care much for Bullet The Blue Sky and yet this tour it's captured my full attention and then some. It's a definite stand out. Pride is so reinvigorated; I daresay it surpasses Streets for me this tour. It's a revelation. Then there are the new songs - Cedarwood Road and Raised by Wolves as well as Every Breaking Wave in particular.

I'm stumped and a bit bummed for you.

But Mom, no offense, but I think your U2 mania started on 360 correct?  That's a completely different reference point versus those who have been following since 30+ years ago. 

I have enjoyed my few shows so far, but honestly the band are nowhere near the zeitgeist they had back in the day.  Sorry.

No concert experience, by any band ever, in the history of music, past, present and future, will eclipse the sublimely hair raising, spine tingling moment that was Zoo TV.

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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 11:36:37 PM »
I-E IS pretty damn good, and is certainly coming into the league of U2's better tours but...

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No concert experience, by any band ever, in the history of music, past, present and future, will eclipse the sublimely hair raising, spine tingling moment that was Zoo TV.

^ Damn right, Codeguy.

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Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2015, 11:38:44 PM »
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Any concert you go to can be a religious experience or a spiritual experience. U2 is pretty good at providing some sort of spiritual experience for me. Being in GA was a better experience then the seats I had in Chicago 2.
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Re: Worshipping at Bono's Altar Ego
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 08:04:44 AM »
I+e and, to some extent SOI restored my faith in U2.

But after vertigo and 360 that bar was at sn all time low. I've seen every tour since 83 bar Lovetown, and in no way was i+e close to 84, 87, 93 or 97. I'd put it about the same as Elevation. And miles better than Vertigo and 360.