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Offline JTNash

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Re: Bono in DC
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2016, 12:54:45 PM »
There is only one true problem money causes, that's not having any.

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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2016, 01:22:21 PM »
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Maybe we use political/economic clout to pressure fellow Muslim countrise to help out ?

Crazy stuff I know.

Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon have all taken in a colossal number of Syrian refugees. Obviously vast amounts are in Iraq too.

They keep that quiet in western mainstream media, surprise surprise.

Really? So how many compared to what is being asked of Europe and how many has Europe already taken ?

About 1.5 million in Lebanon, almost the same in Jordan. Even Saudi Arabia has taken in almost half a million. The only european country that have taken more than lebanon is turkey, unsurprisingly given its border with syria and relative prosperity.

That still leaves a lot of countries in the area that you haven't mentioned.



I never said all Muslim countries did the same though did I?

I was just correcting you for inferring that none of their fellow Islamic countries have taken in refugees.

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« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2016, 02:25:24 PM »
The pope took 12 Syrian refugees back to Rome. Shall we criticize him because he didn't solve the refugee crisis? Or do we applaud him for doing something, and for setting an example for others to follow? Nobody, not Bono, not Pope Francis, has all the answers to any problem. Does that mean they, and we, shouldn't even try to do anything? There are people alive today because of Bono's AIDS activism. I bet they could give two figs whether somebody thinks Bono should drop everything else and just churn out records for his overly entitled fans.

And no, I haven't opened my home to a refugee family. But I do donate to organizations that try to help, and I also donate and volunteer locally, and I refuse to believe I'm just wasting my time puttimg band aids on an unfixable problem.

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« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2016, 04:49:54 PM »
Well said ^^^

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« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2016, 05:30:07 PM »
The catholic church is estimated to be worth 170B dollars. 12 refugees ?

Maybe Bongo should be lobbying there or the other Muslim countries instead ofvthe deficit ridden US.

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« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2016, 06:08:42 PM »
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The catholic church is estimated to be worth 170B dollars. 12 refugees ?

Maybe Bongo should be lobbying there....

Not sure Pope Frongo would make the time.
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« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2016, 06:30:32 PM »
I did not suppose that Bono proves to be such a jerk in old age in front of US Congress, who for saving remains of the fame after undoubted achievements (when he looked sober at the world) will call for the campaign against sovereign countries in Europe, not distinguishing patriotism from nationalism. Well, just like a bandit never stigmatize another bandit, so leftist never sink another leftist even if he were to say that 2 times 2 is 5.5. He gave Merkel his all support while she is just a product of the communist GDR built on a marriage of stalinism with national socialism, and the so-called contracted opposition controlled by the Stasi. The concept of freedom, sovereignty, nation, human rights, tradition, religion is completely alien to that jade. She applies despotic censorship in the German media and violate human rights by depriving their fellow citizens of the constitutional right to the protection and physical integrity. She creates and increases herself the problems of migration in Germany and Europe. She tries to directly (German diplomacy) or by Bundes-commissioners in Brussels to exert pressure and blackmail (as illegitimate by any of European treaties) against sovereign democratic countries like Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. This Bono does not notice all of these or does not want to be noticed for a few seconds before the cameras and the press flashes, since musically he does not much deal with anymore. Burnt, not the generation, longing for fame - simply pathetic. Some people just do not know how to grow old with dignity.

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« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2016, 09:39:00 PM »
I thought this was relevant:

The Syrian-origin Swedish passport holder arrested in Belgium last week for his involvement in the Brussels bomb attacks is a former poster boy for Sweden’s efforts at integrating migrants into their society.

Now accused of murder, and captured on CCTV cameras carrying bags which contained the explosive devices which killed 32 civilians, Islamist Osama Krayem had once been hailed as a model of integration. A former employee of the city of Malmo, at the age of 11 Osama starred in a documentary about migrants in Sweden.

Both of Osama’s parents are Syrian migrants to Sweden, and have told tabloid Aftonbladet they wanted to see their son integrate into Swedish society. The family featured in a 2005 documentary called ‘Without Borders — A Film About Sport And Integration’, in which football-mad Krayem demonstrated how the Malmo football team had helped him settle into Swedish society.

The club had run an integration project, encouraging local migrant youth to play football. Club marketing manager Christer Girke said of the programme: “We wanted to show the importance of integration… the boys were to go to the association to see what the other Swedes did and get to know the [football] associations were important, how it can be a gateway to jobs and much more”.

At the time of the film’s release, he had told local media: “90 percent of our members have a migrant background, as this integration is something I think a lot about. With this project we want to take responsibility for the society we all be living in formed. And how we are formed as people”.

A school friend told the paper that he was “noticeable” by the fact he didn’t party or drink because of his religion. Even when Krayem started posting pictures of himself on Facebook with Islamic State flags and guns, his old friends didn’t think anything was wrong. One said he just thought Krayem was trying to be “cool”, and that was just what “young people are doing”.

Shot with a budget of £22,000, an opening-night review of ‘Without Borders; in Sydsvenskan hailed the “football mad sons” of the Krayem family — the central players in the film — as showing “the essential role of sport for integration”.

When Osama Krayem got a job with Malmo city council as a management intern, he may have been displaying the outward signs of assimilation that were expected of him, but what his employers did not know is that he was saving his salary to buy tickets to Syria. He worked for a year, before suddenly failing to turn up for work one day in 2014.

Osama had successfully joined the Islamic State and started posting pictures of his exploits on Facebook. A year later, Krayem has swapped the migrant enclave he had grown up in — Rosengard — for another. Traveling through Greece as a refugee, he came to reside in Molenbeek, Brussels, he took on took a leading role in organising the bomb attacks.

That superficially well integrated migrants could be plotting attacks or engaging in criminal activity is not a phenomenon limited to Sweden. Breitbart London reported in January on four “unaccompanied minor” migrants who sexually abused young girls at their new school shortly after arrival.

The headmistress of the school responsible for the boys, who abused girls as young as 14, said they were ““integrating themselves very well” into Austrian society.

Follow Oliver Lane on Twitter:  or e-mail to: olane@breitbart.com

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Re: Bono in DC
« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2016, 09:33:32 AM »
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overly entitled fans

This.

I'm willing to wait a little bit for new U2 songs. Bono's fighting for a worthy cause.

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« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2016, 11:58:06 AM »
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I thought this was relevant:

The Syrian-origin Swedish passport holder arrested in Belgium last week for his involvement in the Brussels bomb attacks is a former poster boy for Sweden’s efforts at integrating migrants into their society.

Now accused of murder, and captured on CCTV cameras carrying bags which contained the explosive devices which killed 32 civilians, Islamist Osama Krayem had once been hailed as a model of integration. A former employee of the city of Malmo, at the age of 11 Osama starred in a documentary about migrants in Sweden.

Both of Osama’s parents are Syrian migrants to Sweden, and have told tabloid Aftonbladet they wanted to see their son integrate into Swedish society. The family featured in a 2005 documentary called ‘Without Borders — A Film About Sport And Integration’, in which football-mad Krayem demonstrated how the Malmo football team had helped him settle into Swedish society.

The club had run an integration project, encouraging local migrant youth to play football. Club marketing manager Christer Girke said of the programme: “We wanted to show the importance of integration… the boys were to go to the association to see what the other Swedes did and get to know the [football] associations were important, how it can be a gateway to jobs and much more”.

At the time of the film’s release, he had told local media: “90 percent of our members have a migrant background, as this integration is something I think a lot about. With this project we want to take responsibility for the society we all be living in formed. And how we are formed as people”.

A school friend told the paper that he was “noticeable” by the fact he didn’t party or drink because of his religion. Even when Krayem started posting pictures of himself on Facebook with Islamic State flags and guns, his old friends didn’t think anything was wrong. One said he just thought Krayem was trying to be “cool”, and that was just what “young people are doing”.

Shot with a budget of £22,000, an opening-night review of ‘Without Borders; in Sydsvenskan hailed the “football mad sons” of the Krayem family — the central players in the film — as showing “the essential role of sport for integration”.

When Osama Krayem got a job with Malmo city council as a management intern, he may have been displaying the outward signs of assimilation that were expected of him, but what his employers did not know is that he was saving his salary to buy tickets to Syria. He worked for a year, before suddenly failing to turn up for work one day in 2014.

Osama had successfully joined the Islamic State and started posting pictures of his exploits on Facebook. A year later, Krayem has swapped the migrant enclave he had grown up in — Rosengard — for another. Traveling through Greece as a refugee, he came to reside in Molenbeek, Brussels, he took on took a leading role in organising the bomb attacks.

That superficially well integrated migrants could be plotting attacks or engaging in criminal activity is not a phenomenon limited to Sweden. Breitbart London reported in January on four “unaccompanied minor” migrants who sexually abused young girls at their new school shortly after arrival.

The headmistress of the school responsible for the boys, who abused girls as young as 14, said they were ““integrating themselves very well” into Austrian society.

Follow Oliver Lane on Twitter:  or e-mail to: olane@breitbart.com

I understand the fear that Europeans and Americans have regarding ISIS infiltration.  My question is that does it negate any of the efforts to take care of those refugees still in camps or those who live in our communities under refugee status?

Do the efforts to supply humanitarian aid to the camps, or to invest in training and education or assimilation programs, or to even take in refugees at all be compromised by these types of stories.

Bono said in his testimony that refugees have quadrupled since 2010.  That's from 10,000 a day to 40,000 a day (note: I've seen numbers in the 8-10,000 range but not sure where Bono got this number).  I'm sure that Bono's personal interactions with refugees in the camps he visited drove home the idea that these are suffering human beings in need of help.  For all intents & purposes, refugees would most likely prefer to return to their homeland if it was safe. The desperation of the refugees is obvious.  The risks and turmoil they endure should be enough to convince you they in large part, are genuine in their search for hope.

Yes, infiltration is an issue, but an issue to be dealt with separately from providing help to the millions of refugees.  It shouldn't be used as an argument against aid and prevention policies.

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« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2016, 05:49:18 PM »
Bono, as a Christian, is walking the walk, whereas other Christians just talk the talk -- and most often, talk hate and fear.

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« Reply #101 on: April 18, 2016, 05:50:50 PM »
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Bono, as a Christian, is walking the walk, whereas other Christians just talk the talk -- and most often, talk hate and fear.

And Jehovah said unto them, send in thy comics first.

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« Reply #102 on: April 18, 2016, 06:20:38 PM »
Seems like folks have turned this into a debate as to how much/if at all ISIS has infiltrated the refugees.  Maybe that is an issue for some but it is not for me - at least, not a major issue at this point.  I think the larger issue is around whether simply allowing all these refugees to plant themselves into very different cultures where assimilation will be a long term challenge (for the refugees as well as the hosts) is a good idea.  I think saving the truly needy (at risk children) is the top priority, beyond that the approach must be more cautious and selective.

Now for the silly comments about entitled fans and what not.  Please folks do not distract from the real issue.  No one is saying Bono should shut up with his issues so he can make a new album we are 'entitled' to (I have not seen anyone write that here).  What is being said is that Bono himself is just a sideshow, a celebrity looking to be more relevant and enjoying being asked to the important debates.  As a fan of the band's music, this is where it gets squishy for me because while I admire his sense of moral conviction, to me this clearly impacts the band's art... with the front man focused so much on telling us how great we are (if only we follow his lead and priorities), and oh by the way please generate more tax dollars for his cause... that is the issue.  I respect that others feel different, however for me that is where I lose my appetite for this band I have followed 30+ years.  The constant asking for $$$ at the live shows and stunts like the Aung San Suu Kyi masks, etc are cringeworthy to the extreme...





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« Reply #103 on: April 18, 2016, 06:42:01 PM »
One thing I do agree with, Sly, is that we're not doing enough to solve the cause of the refugee crisis.  And that responsibility is on Middle Eastern leaders as much as Western. I'm sure many refugees would rather be living in their homes than in a foreign country. It's the old parable about seeing people drowning in a river, so you jump in and save them, only to see more people drowning, so you jump back in and save them too. Eventually, there are just too many drowning and you collapse exhausted on the bank -- only to see a man on the other side of the river throwing people in.

I don't know how you fix that issue without war though. Diplomacy has failed in Syria, especially with Putin's support of Assad.

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« Reply #104 on: April 18, 2016, 08:06:39 PM »
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One thing I do agree with, Sly, is that we're not doing enough to solve the cause of the refugee crisis.  And that responsibility is on Middle Eastern leaders as much as Western. I'm sure many refugees would rather be living in their homes than in a foreign country. It's the old parable about seeing people drowning in a river, so you jump in and save them, only to see more people drowning, so you jump back in and save them too. Eventually, there are just too many drowning and you collapse exhausted on the bank -- only to see a man on the other side of the river throwing people in.

I don't know how you fix that issue without war though. Diplomacy has failed in Syria, especially with Putin's support of Assad.

completely agreed on just about every point you make.