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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2016, 07:22:49 AM »
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If they do not love America and Americans, then they are not welcomed

That is a really...really bizarre metric.

How so ? If you don't want our way of life don't move here.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2016, 08:30:27 AM »
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If they do not love America and Americans, then they are not welcomed

That is a really...really bizarre metric.

How so ? If you don't want our way of life don't move here.
And what exactly is the American way of life

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2016, 11:20:32 AM »
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I'd rather this not turn political unless we're in the real world section of the forum.  I just want to enjoy the music discussion regardless of what political beliefs you may or may not have.

Sorry, but Bono blurred that line BIG time. Especially during the last tour and the whole #RefugeesWelcome thing. (Very prominent in the Paris DVD).

Right now in July 2016, U2's music and politics go together. Not a good time for Bono to do his preaching. Especially here in America, millions don't want to hear it.
what are you saying?? should europe let refugee kids drown and starve to death  would americans prefer that....i like to think not

Seriously. I'm an American. Don't presume to tell me what I do or don't want to hear. Unless you're a Native American, someone in your family was an immigrant or a refugee. What if they'd been turned away?

Native Americans do not and never have owned America.  Furthermore, before anyone came and civilized the place, native American tribes were killing each other over land.  That's how it is and always was all over the world for every shade of person.

When 2% of the population of Sweden commit 77% of the rapes... we need to look at it no matter how politically incorrect it is.

When .9% of the American population commit well over 1 in 3 terrorist attacks in the US...we need to look at it no matter how politically incorrect it is.

When 75% of a certain segment of the UK population says homosexuality should be illegal.... there is nothing wrong with considering this.   Along with a plethora of other stats that loudly tell me that certain groups aspire to a culture that their own actions, bible, prophet and beliefs communicate are not compatible with the culture/society I chose to live in.

The US citizens have no problem helping or providing charity and lead the world in this.  Expecting cultures who live in and aspire to contrary values to just slide into a mixed and hugely foreign co-existence may be naive.

I don't agree with the message I perceived from Bono on the Paris show, but I saw the beauty in it... profoundly.  I wish I could believe it was the answer.  I wish I could believe it possible.
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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2016, 11:30:36 AM »
I am very glad Bono can issue accountability-free platitudes from the stage and screen, versus having him in elected office, crafting public policy that would actually impact global security.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2016, 11:31:00 AM »
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Bono's intentions are in the right place, but The fact remains: More refugees, more risk.
Plain and simple. If I have a bowl of 10,000 M&Ms and tell you that 10 M&Ms are poisoned, would you like a handful?
The math has been well-documented. In 2013, the Pew Research Center surveyed Muslims living in 9 countries (as well as the Palestinian Territories), and found that a whopping 27% are not concerned about Islamic extremism.
Let's put that on hold. President Obama has said that "99.9% of Muslims" are peace-seeking. Okay, fine. So if the United States were to let in 10,000 refugees and 0.1% were radicalized, that leaves us with 10 people. Ten people. The Paris attacks were carried out by eight people. When it comes to calculating risk, the question is not how many, but how few.


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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2016, 12:05:12 PM »
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If they do not love America and Americans, then they are not welcomed

That is a really...really bizarre metric.

How so ? If you don't want our way of life don't move here.
And what exactly is the American way of life

It's something one should find out about before one decides to move here. Homosexuality is legal, women have equal rights to men, etc. Dont lie it, don't move here. Keep your bigotry and medieval ways to yourself. We have enough home grown bigots who'd like to turn the clock back a few centuries.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2016, 12:10:59 PM »
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If they do not love America and Americans, then they are not welcomed

That is a really...really bizarre metric.

How so ? If you don't want our way of life don't move here.
And what exactly is the American way of life

It's something one should find out about before one decides to move here. Homosexuality is legal, women have equal rights to men, etc. Dont lie it, don't move here. Keep your bigotry and medieval ways to yourself. We have enough home grown bigots who'd like to turn the clock back a few centuries.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2016, 01:44:28 PM »
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I do believe all these things are coming to pass from what the bible says...
although i cannot quote out of my head, kind of scarey...it does feel overwelming
in the news each day. Bono being a large figure has to watch what he says and does
about everything...I havent heard what he has to say about it...there hasnt been
any terrorist threats in Ireland i dont think...not sure...

I too think we may be seeing Biblical prophesy play out.

No, it is just that the same people that were doing slaughtering 1000's of years ago were doing the slaughtering today.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2016, 02:28:56 PM »
Guys - M2 has posted in other threads around how posts are being made. We get everyone has opinions but the need for some posters to post in a way that clearly breaches the 'don't be a d**k' rule is getting way too frequent. As such the patience and tolerance of the Mods is running thin. If you can't respond in a way that fits with the rules then draw breath and don't post. The draft facility let's you walk away and reflect. I've just had to ban someone else in this thread. Most posts have a degree of thought to them so suggest responses do the same. You all know where the rules are.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2016, 08:48:41 PM »
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I'd rather this not turn political unless we're in the real world section of the forum.  I just want to enjoy the music discussion regardless of what political beliefs you may or may not have.

Sorry, but Bono blurred that line BIG time. Especially during the last tour and the whole #RefugeesWelcome thing. (Very prominent in the Paris DVD).

Right now in July 2016, U2's music and politics go together. Not a good time for Bono to do his preaching. Especially here in America, millions don't want to hear it.
. Well I'm going to keep listening to the music regardles of what he says or doesn't say.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2016, 07:30:05 AM »
I believe that someone used a stronger word than d**k in a previous (now deleted) post, and the mods were quite justified.

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2016, 08:09:09 AM »
I'm just curious why this is in the general U2 section? It's really a real world or a Bobo post. Shouldn't it be in real world or the band member section.

 (Maybe there should be a specific politics forum for U2 related political discussion? Just a thought).

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2016, 08:49:37 AM »
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I'm just curious why this is in the general U2 section? It's really a real world or a Bobo post. Shouldn't it be in real world or the band member section.

 (Maybe there should be a specific politics forum for U2 related political discussion? Just a thought).

Repeating a previous post:

"Sorry, but Bono blurred that line BIG time. Especially during the last tour and the whole #RefugeesWelcome thing. (Very prominent in the Paris DVD)."

Real World and U2 are a common thread in today's geopolitical spectrum.

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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2016, 08:53:25 AM »
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I'm just curious why this is in the general U2 section? It's really a real world or a Bobo post. Shouldn't it be in real world or the band member section.

 (Maybe there should be a specific politics forum for U2 related political discussion? Just a thought).

Repeating a previous post:

"Sorry, but Bono blurred that line BIG time. Especially during the last tour and the whole #RefugeesWelcome thing. (Very prominent in the Paris DVD)."

Real World and U2 are a common thread in today's geopolitical spectrum.

Fair enough

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Re: Bono's strategy of loving Muslim terrorists is off to a poor start
« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2016, 04:51:19 PM »
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My Dad (RIP, Daddy) always used to say "it's the end of the world" when anything dire would happen. Maybe this time he would be right.

Now is a safer time to be alive than ever before, and humans on average have longer, healthier lives than ever before. We just focus on the bad because we are able to now.
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