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I'll give you two votes. Sorry Elevation is not a choice - I like that song.

Wild Honey
21 (20%)
Peace on Earth
13 (12.4%)
A Man And A Woman
13 (12.4%)
Yahweh
16 (15.2%)
White As Snow
14 (13.3%)
Song For Someone
18 (17.1%)
This Is Where You Can Reach Me Now
10 (9.5%)

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2016, 04:09:57 PM »
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Peace on Earth is perhaps the biggest mound of crap U2 has ever produced. "Where I come from there weren't many trees, but when there was we'd tear them down and use them on our enemies." Really? And you wrote A Sort of Homecoming, and Heartland, and Do You Feel Loved?

Wow.

A tragic symptom of Bono's 00's "trick" of rhyming lines as much as possible.....why i'll never know!...

To be fair he did it on Pop as well.

True...just largely with better subject matter...

I am not a fan of rhyming couplets really in songs especially when they are overused.

Next you'll be telling us how irritatingly repetitive you find rhythm  :P

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Isn't he the one who said "I think I can, I think I can"?

Honestly if we are going to compare B's lyrics to those of animated children story characters, then you really need to include Dora the Explorer.  I mean there is some potent stuff there....  'Come on let's get to it, I know that we can do it...'  If that's not inspired by some of the stuff on NLOTH I don't know what is...

Beats elevation hands down...

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2016, 04:36:06 PM »
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Peace on Earth is perhaps the biggest mound of crap U2 has ever produced. "Where I come from there weren't many trees, but when there was we'd tear them down and use them on our enemies." Really? And you wrote A Sort of Homecoming, and Heartland, and Do You Feel Loved?

Wow.

A tragic symptom of Bono's 00's "trick" of rhyming lines as much as possible.....why i'll never know!...

To be fair he did it on Pop as well.

True...just largely with better subject matter...

I am not a fan of rhyming couplets really in songs especially when they are overused.

Next you'll be telling us how irritatingly repetitive you find rhythm  :P

I'm no Thom Yorke...more Thomas the Tank Engine
Isn't he the one who said "I think I can, I think I can"?

Honestly if we are going to compare B's lyrics to those of animated children story characters, then you really need to include Dora the Explorer.  I mean there is some potent stuff there....  'Come on let's get to it, I know that we can do it...'  If that's not inspired by some of the stuff on NLOTH I don't know what is...

Beats elevation hands down...

Backpack, backpack!
Backpack, backpack!

On the backpack loaded up with things and knickknack's too
Anything that you might need I got inside for you

Swiper no swiping

I love my Boots, my boots and me
They help me swing from tree to tree
I feel so happy with them on my feet
We're best friends, yeah my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2016, 04:49:03 PM »
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Peace on Earth is perhaps the biggest mound of crap U2 has ever produced. "Where I come from there weren't many trees, but when there was we'd tear them down and use them on our enemies." Really? And you wrote A Sort of Homecoming, and Heartland, and Do You Feel Loved?

Wow.

A tragic symptom of Bono's 00's "trick" of rhyming lines as much as possible.....why i'll never know!...

To be fair he did it on Pop as well.

True...just largely with better subject matter...

I am not a fan of rhyming couplets really in songs especially when they are overused.

Next you'll be telling us how irritatingly repetitive you find rhythm  :P

I'm no Thom Yorke...more Thomas the Tank Engine
Isn't he the one who said "I think I can, I think I can"?

Honestly if we are going to compare B's lyrics to those of animated children story characters, then you really need to include Dora the Explorer.  I mean there is some potent stuff there....  'Come on let's get to it, I know that we can do it...'  If that's not inspired by some of the stuff on NLOTH I don't know what is...

Beats elevation hands down...

Backpack, backpack!
Backpack, backpack!

On the backpack loaded up with things and knickknack's too
Anything that you might need I got inside for you

Swiper no swiping

I love my Boots, my boots and me
They help me swing from tree to tree
I feel so happy with them on my feet
We're best friends, yeah my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me

I can't believe life's so complex
When all i wanna do is watch an tha undress

It's not just the cloth-headed Bonos of the world... even the greats are guilty of rhymes and half rhymes

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2016, 04:53:45 PM »
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Peace on Earth is perhaps the biggest mound of crap U2 has ever produced. "Where I come from there weren't many trees, but when there was we'd tear them down and use them on our enemies." Really? And you wrote A Sort of Homecoming, and Heartland, and Do You Feel Loved?

Wow.

A tragic symptom of Bono's 00's "trick" of rhyming lines as much as possible.....why i'll never know!...

To be fair he did it on Pop as well.

True...just largely with better subject matter...

I am not a fan of rhyming couplets really in songs especially when they are overused.

Next you'll be telling us how irritatingly repetitive you find rhythm  :P

I'm no Thom Yorke...more Thomas the Tank Engine
Isn't he the one who said "I think I can, I think I can"?

Honestly if we are going to compare B's lyrics to those of animated children story characters, then you really need to include Dora the Explorer.  I mean there is some potent stuff there....  'Come on let's get to it, I know that we can do it...'  If that's not inspired by some of the stuff on NLOTH I don't know what is...

Beats elevation hands down...

Backpack, backpack!
Backpack, backpack!

On the backpack loaded up with things and knickknack's too
Anything that you might need I got inside for you

Swiper no swiping

I love my Boots, my boots and me
They help me swing from tree to tree
I feel so happy with them on my feet
We're best friends, yeah my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me

I can't believe life's so complex
When all i wanna do is watch an tha undress

It's not just the cloth-headed Bonos of the world... even the greats are guilty of rhymes and half rhymes

Always found those lines great...sexy and a good commentary on when you are in that just wanna jump someone phase of a relationship...

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2016, 04:56:48 PM »
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Lol, I'd like to see those who are criticizing the lyrics of certain songs write better lyrics than Bono.  ;D

Seriously, when you've written lyrics for 20+ years, it gets a little hard to not repeat ideas. And if you have a certain writing style, it gets a little hard to write differently. Not gonna say these songs are lyrical masterpieces, but they're far better than a lot of songs released in the last 15-20 years.

And I think if the lyrics are weak, it's probably better to focus on the rest of the song. How are the vocals? The guitar? The bass? The drums? Lyrics aren't the only thing that determines a great song. For instance, lots of people LOVE "Yellow" by Coldplay, yet the lyrics for that song are really atrocious.

I can see you're a glass half full kind of gal, tigerfan.

It's partially that and partially because I wrote lyrics when I was younger (late teens/early 20s) so I understand the complexities of it, especially once you've gotten past a few dozen songs. You get set in your ways of lyric writing (for me, it was A/B/A/B rhyming style) and eventually it gets difficult to not repeat lines. And that was just after writing 40-50 song lyrics myself. I can only imagine what it's like when you've wrote hundreds.

Probably why Bono tends to reuse lyrics/say the same thing again, but slightly differently, so much.

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People who can't write lyrics feeling superior shocker! 

You're right about Yellow, but I've never been a Coldplay fan.

Haha, yeah, you'd think they were Bob Dylan or something, right? Judging lyric writing and all.  ;)

I like "Yellow," and a lot of CP's early work, but I can admit the lyrics are garbage.

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I love my Boots, my boots and me
They help me swing from tree to tree
I feel so happy with them on my feet
We're best friends, yeah my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me

Are we comparing this to Get On Your Boots? If so, there's no comparison. Dora wins.  ;D

Seriously, why didn't Swiper get more songs? He was the one good thing about that show (....which I always hated watching when my nieces were younger).

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PM »
lyrics of course aren't the be all and end all...

this is one of my favourite songs...no awards for lyrics of the year here i think it is fair to say....delivery of lyrics is probably more important.

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2016, 04:58:19 PM »
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Peace on Earth is perhaps the biggest mound of crap U2 has ever produced. "Where I come from there weren't many trees, but when there was we'd tear them down and use them on our enemies." Really? And you wrote A Sort of Homecoming, and Heartland, and Do You Feel Loved?

Wow.

A tragic symptom of Bono's 00's "trick" of rhyming lines as much as possible.....why i'll never know!...

To be fair he did it on Pop as well.

True...just largely with better subject matter...

I am not a fan of rhyming couplets really in songs especially when they are overused.

Next you'll be telling us how irritatingly repetitive you find rhythm  :P

I'm no Thom Yorke...more Thomas the Tank Engine
Isn't he the one who said "I think I can, I think I can"?

Honestly if we are going to compare B's lyrics to those of animated children story characters, then you really need to include Dora the Explorer.  I mean there is some potent stuff there....  'Come on let's get to it, I know that we can do it...'  If that's not inspired by some of the stuff on NLOTH I don't know what is...

Beats elevation hands down...

Backpack, backpack!
Backpack, backpack!

On the backpack loaded up with things and knickknack's too
Anything that you might need I got inside for you

Swiper no swiping

I love my Boots, my boots and me
They help me swing from tree to tree
I feel so happy with them on my feet
We're best friends, yeah my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me

I can't believe life's so complex
When all i wanna do is watch an tha undress

It's not just the cloth-headed Bonos of the world... even the greats are guilty of rhymes and half rhymes

Always found those lines great...sexy and a good commentary on when you are in that just wanna jump someone phase of a relationship...

Or just keeping jumping relationships if you quest longevity of that phase.   And if you can't have that live it vicariously through your record collection instead.

I do actually like the lyric and the song, but I'm a sucker for simplicity, especially when its of the primal lust variety.

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2016, 05:00:08 PM »
For the list provided, Wild Honey and SFS.  Some of those other songs are bad, but it does get tough when looking at all of U2's output.  Hearing demos for some of the songs makes me think they can be decent enough.  Yahweh is a song I don't mind hearing live; my only complaint is songs like that start to become redundant with older U2 songs, which is really a big issues with U2's 2000's stuff. 

As for rhyming, I don't really think it is a problem except when the rhymes are weak.  Some of them make me cringe these days.  Also, I always felt that some cheesy rhyming by Bono prior to 2000 were somewhat tongue in cheek; i.e. even when they were bad, I felt Bono new they are bad or purposely did it that way.  These days, it just seems like the lyrics Bono writes are attempts at making something grand, but they always fall flat.

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2016, 05:01:10 PM »
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Peace on Earth is perhaps the biggest mound of crap U2 has ever produced. "Where I come from there weren't many trees, but when there was we'd tear them down and use them on our enemies." Really? And you wrote A Sort of Homecoming, and Heartland, and Do You Feel Loved?

Wow.

A tragic symptom of Bono's 00's "trick" of rhyming lines as much as possible.....why i'll never know!...

To be fair he did it on Pop as well.

True...just largely with better subject matter...

I am not a fan of rhyming couplets really in songs especially when they are overused.

Next you'll be telling us how irritatingly repetitive you find rhythm  :P

I'm no Thom Yorke...more Thomas the Tank Engine
Isn't he the one who said "I think I can, I think I can"?

Honestly if we are going to compare B's lyrics to those of animated children story characters, then you really need to include Dora the Explorer.  I mean there is some potent stuff there....  'Come on let's get to it, I know that we can do it...'  If that's not inspired by some of the stuff on NLOTH I don't know what is...

Beats elevation hands down...

Backpack, backpack!
Backpack, backpack!

On the backpack loaded up with things and knickknack's too
Anything that you might need I got inside for you

Swiper no swiping

I love my Boots, my boots and me
They help me swing from tree to tree
I feel so happy with them on my feet
We're best friends, yeah my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me
I love my boots, yeah, my boots and me

I can't believe life's so complex
When all i wanna do is watch an tha undress

It's not just the cloth-headed Bonos of the world... even the greats are guilty of rhymes and half rhymes

Always found those lines great...sexy and a good commentary on when you are in that just wanna jump someone phase of a relationship...

Or just keeping jumping relationships if you quest longevity of that phase.   And if you can't have that live it vicariously through your record collection instead.

I do actually like the lyric and the song, but I'm a sucker for simplicity, especially when its of the primal lust variety.

Primal is a good description of that song lyrically and sonically...although polly jean could recite the phone book and i think i would be hooked!

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2016, 05:03:19 PM »
I voted Peace on Earth.

Like someone else said I would have voted for ABOY if it were an option on account of the ear splitting intro.

 


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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2016, 05:15:14 PM »
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a song that sums up u2 in the 00's - mid paced MOR, never really goes anywhere, grand themes but saying nothing really, very safe and just super dull for me is When I Look at The World.

What song is MOR?  Do you mean Miracle of Ramone or Moment of Rurrender? Mothers of the Risappeared?


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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2016, 05:18:37 PM »
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lyrics of course aren't the be all and end all...

this is one of my favourite songs...no awards for lyrics of the year here i think it is fair to say....delivery of lyrics is probably more important.

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Kim is more primal for me than Polly - but that's partly thanks to the songs she got to sing in the Pixies - Gigantic, and her vocals on songs like I Bleed.  Polly looks fantastic in the "Gouge" documentary where she waxes lyrical about the Pixies.

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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2016, 05:27:27 PM »
I didn't put "Miracle Drug" or "All Because of You" as choices because even though they have cringe-worthy lyrical moments ("Freedom smells like the top of a new born baby's head") and an eardrum piercing screech (the dissonant off-key delivery of the opening notes Bono sings in 2nd line of each chorus ("Ah-all because of you"), the rest of the music (i.e. Edge's guitar and solos) make up for Bono's faults and bring the songs out of "worst" range IMHO. 

Same thing with SUC and Boots, the music is great, especially being heavy on the guitars.  Boots live was an improvement too.  Just by the fact that these songs have more guitar and are more rocking, they were "elevated" out of the choices for worst songs.

The slow, plodding, or super overtly religious songs on this poll make them far worse choices than those left off the list.

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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2016, 05:57:26 PM »
    I actually really like "Stand Up Comedy".  And, having had three children, I do sort of get the lyric about freedom "smelling like the top of a newborn baby's head".
     I think An Tha's right, though; "When I Look At the World" was a low point.

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Re: Worst song since 2000? Track you skip the most/don't want to hear live.
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2016, 07:31:36 PM »
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    I actually really like "Stand Up Comedy".  And, having had three children, I do sort of get the lyric about freedom "smelling like the top of a newborn baby's head".
     I think An Tha's right, though; "When I Look At the World" was a low point.

Maybe it's corny to admit it, but I really like that lyric about freedom. No kids here, so I can't use that as an excuse to like it.  ;) I think it's because I really like lyrics that "cleverly" express a thought.

I actually like SUC as well. I mean, it's not their finest work, but lyrically it's a fun track.

Gonna have to disagree with WILATW. The album came out roughly a year before 9/11. I remember hearing that track probably a year or two post-9/11 and thinking how apt it seemed to be considering the current climate of the world. Particularly:

"I'm in the waiting room
Can't see for the smoke
I think of you and your holy book
While the rest of us choke"

Considering what happened with 9/11 and who was behind it (and why they did it), those lyrics pretty perfectly describe the event. To me, the song describes all of the messed up things that happen in the world and are "justified" by religion...but that the person singing the song just can't understand how it can be justified or how to believe in God when so many awful things are happening (what kind of god would allow people to die in such horrific ways?).

What's funny (or sad) is that the song is still applicable 16 years later. We're still dealing with senseless killings in the name of god. Even the strongest of faith are still struggling to understand how any god could allow so many awful things to happen in this world.

I will agree that lyrically, the song isn't extremely strong, but the meaning is conveyed pretty well.