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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2017, 02:43:23 PM »
The interviewer seemed more clued up on what many of the fans think or want than usual. I loved the acrobat/drowning man question. Edge appeared to know already that acrobat is a big fan favourite, but was surprised at the drowning man reference.

Maybe they could slot acrobat in the upcoming set-list and pass it off as a reference to trump's electoral promise acrobatics - Of course I'm Only using some of the u2 'logic' behind this tour and the delay of SOE :)

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2017, 02:47:09 PM »
If there a huge demand for the JT tour, it will be extended. Perhaps into 2018.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2017, 02:48:38 PM »
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The interviewer seemed more clued up on what many of the fans think or want than usual. I loved the acrobat/drowning man question. Edge appeared to know already that acrobat is a big fan favourite, but was surprised at the drowning man reference.

Maybe they could slot acrobat in the upcoming set-list and pass it off as a reference to trump's electoral promise acrobatics - Of course I'm Only using some of the u2 'logic' behind this tour and the delay of SOE :)

Peanut butter logic served on a bed of lies.


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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2017, 02:49:55 PM »
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Crisis of confidence with their new album? Well what the f*** do you expect when you hire the likes of Ryan Tedder to preside over it? Perhaps if they hired one artistically credible producer and focused on that, then perhaps they would be able to make something interesting again. Rather than hire Tedder or Will I Am for pop sh**e fodder.

FFS....

That said, I'm all for The Joshua Tree tour, hopefully they can reframe it for the modern age and shove it up Trumps ar*e (and all those deluded idiot U2/Trump fans who inexplicably can't understand why U2 despise the guy - obviously know nothing about U2 and what they stand for).

hiring crap producers is not a cause of their crisis of confidence - it is a symptom.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2017, 03:01:27 PM »
I got the impression they drove Dangermouse around the postbox.


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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2017, 03:02:32 PM »
Based on what I read in RS article, the inference seems to be if Hillary had won the election, the band would have delivered SOE and toured that album this Spring/Summer/Fall and the songs would have been AWESOME!  Trump wins, and apparently the songs are no good lol!!!  Thus, let's use the "cover" of JT 30th Anniversary to make some easy $$$ and find a way to "rework" "tweek" and/or "rewrite" the previously GREAT songs that now, because Trump won the election, are no longer good! 

This is just really incredible to me!  I happened to stay at the Ritz Carlton in Montreal during I&E tour and the Band was on the floor above mine.  On the day I checked out, late morning, I heard 3 new songs BLASTING through the ceiling of my room!  One song had a dirty, nasty bass line and you could tell the Edge was on FIRE in the song (pun intended) but seriously the song absolutely rocked!  I mean, I just feel that the Songs were/are DONE...but with a certain narrative lyrically that I guess Bono feels needs to be "reworked."  Thus, I guess the inspiration and theme of the SOE songs as previously written wasn't about Beautiful Day's and Streets With No Names lol!  Maybe Bono is working on a new song called "Bad Day" (a slow, sad song about the election) for everyone unable to come to grips with the election results in the US!  New song titles sure to appear on the "reworked" SOE might be the aforementioned "Bad Day" and new instant classics like "Cupcakes and Snowflakes", "Shattered World", "Didn't Get My Way", "How Did God Get It All Wrong?" and the opening rocker, the reworked B-side classic "Where Did It All Go Wrong 2.0". 


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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2017, 04:07:01 PM »
What I heard from the Edge is that the album was finished but now they re-working songs and planning on writing more songs.  I'm seriously sick of their delays and continuous tinkering with albums.  Wish they could break this routine.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2017, 04:16:04 PM »
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so wealthy men in their 50s aren't allowed to express political views? that seems a bit arbitrary and illogical

if you don't like what they have to say that's fine but to tell them that they should shut up because of their age and wealth is absurd
It is indeed, but just look at how many people slag Bono on twitter or fb every time he talks about politics, saying he's just an old rich hypocrite

Those same people also happen to be massive hypocrites themselves (especially the Christians who preach love and tolerance...yet do the exact opposite of that), but I'm not going to have that discussion here.

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What I heard from the Edge is that the album was finished but now they re-working songs and planning on writing more songs.  I'm seriously sick of their delays and continuous tinkering with albums.  Wish they could break this routine.

I agree, though the flip side of this is that it has only been 2 years 4 months since SoI, so even if they take all year to release SoE, that's still faster than the last several albums.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2017, 04:22:43 PM »
Hard for me to believe that the USA election caused U2 to delay the release of SOE.  Sounds like an excuse to delay for whatever the real reason is.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2017, 04:29:22 PM »
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They really need to ditch the Trump bashing for this tour, I remember the majority of the forum predicted correctly a Anti Trump protest for Bullet during the DreamForce show. That was borderline cringe, however if they were to continue that into this tour, given what has happened and that America have voted unanimously for a Trump Presidency, it would be embarrassing if you ask me. It's time to move on and fuel the middle of that song live with another event or past experience they can call upon
"Unanimously"

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2017, 04:32:21 PM »
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u2 should just release SOE and then record a new album that looks out at the world. if they're reworking it to deal with the what's happened then the concept of SOI/SOE is as meaningless as it seemed to be.

Very logical. If they had any confidence in these  songs I'm sure they would.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2017, 04:33:27 PM »
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Hard for me to believe that the USA election caused U2 to delay the release of SOE.  Sounds like an excuse to delay for whatever the real reason is.

In all honesty, they're so prone to doubting themselves it would not surprise me if they've started second guessing themselves because of the election. It's entirely possible that the SoE album they had planned was very positive and now with the election outcome (given how divided the country is because of it) they've decided to write more about that side of things. Or maybe SoE had more of a negative slant and they've decided to rewrite to give it more of a positive slant. I mean, we don't know.

It could absolutely be an excuse for the delay, but I doubt it, since the album was fully finished weeks ago.

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They really need to ditch the Trump bashing for this tour, I remember the majority of the forum predicted correctly a Anti Trump protest for Bullet during the DreamForce show. That was borderline cringe, however if they were to continue that into this tour, given what has happened and that America have voted unanimously for a Trump Presidency, it would be embarrassing if you ask me. It's time to move on and fuel the middle of that song live with another event or past experience they can call upon
"Unanimously"

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

Only 50% of eligible voters went to the polls. Less than half that voted for Trump (Clinton won by close to 3 million in the popular vote), which means only 1/4th of the country elected Trump. Also, the "landslide" electorate victory was far from it when MI, PA and WI were won by less than 100,000 votes total. So, it's very far from being unanimous as you said.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2017, 05:10:57 PM »
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So SOE is finished... but not released until September/October after they've toured and had a chance to relook at the songs... i pity the fool who actually genuinely believes SOE will be out later this year.

What really gets me is that less than two weeks ago they put out a video where they explicitly said SOE was finished... but now they're saying it's not really finished and will be revisiting it later this year to make sure it fits the mood of the times. I would suggest that if they've really written an album about experiences, then it would still fit the times. If they want to retool the songs to specifically reference the times, this album will be out of date real quick. Really what's happened is they're second guessing themselves again because Jay-Z or Jimmy Iovine has been allowed a listen.

Can you point me to the time stamp in the Xmas video where they said SOE is finished?  You can't because they never said that.  They said that it will be out in 2017, but they never said the words "SOE is FINISHED" in that video or anything like it.  All they said was that it is going to be a big 2017, they have SOE coming out and very special shows for the Joshua Tree.  Never did they say it was finished in the Xmas video.

I think at this stage, a certain Chris Evans has a lot to answer for!

Edge pretty much confirmed what Chris said. They applied finishing touches a couple of weeks before christmas.  Then had a meeting with their bank managers and opted for the JT tour.

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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2017, 05:12:10 PM »
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So SOE is finished... but not released until September/October after they've toured and had a chance to relook at the songs... i pity the fool who actually genuinely believes SOE will be out later this year.

What really gets me is that less than two weeks ago they put out a video where they explicitly said SOE was finished... but now they're saying it's not really finished and will be revisiting it later this year to make sure it fits the mood of the times. I would suggest that if they've really written an album about experiences, then it would still fit the times. If they want to retool the songs to specifically reference the times, this album will be out of date real quick. Really what's happened is they're second guessing themselves again because Jay-Z or Jimmy Iovine has been allowed a listen.

Can you point me to the time stamp in the Xmas video where they said SOE is finished?  You can't because they never said that.  They said that it will be out in 2017, but they never said the words "SOE is FINISHED" in that video or anything like it.  All they said was that it is going to be a big 2017, they have SOE coming out and very special shows for the Joshua Tree.  Never did they say it was finished in the Xmas video.

I think at this stage, a certain Chris Evans has a lot to answer for!

Edge pretty much confirmed what Chris said. They applied finishing touches a couple of weeks before christmas.  Then had a meeting with their bank managers and opted for the JT tour.

So what you're saying is this tour was a last minute arrangement. Possibly even a 2017 arrangement?


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Re: Edge says SOE FINISHED
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2017, 05:16:07 PM »
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So SOE is finished... but not released until September/October after they've toured and had a chance to relook at the songs... i pity the fool who actually genuinely believes SOE will be out later this year.

What really gets me is that less than two weeks ago they put out a video where they explicitly said SOE was finished... but now they're saying it's not really finished and will be revisiting it later this year to make sure it fits the mood of the times. I would suggest that if they've really written an album about experiences, then it would still fit the times. If they want to retool the songs to specifically reference the times, this album will be out of date real quick. Really what's happened is they're second guessing themselves again because Jay-Z or Jimmy Iovine has been allowed a listen.

Can you point me to the time stamp in the Xmas video where they said SOE is finished?  You can't because they never said that.  They said that it will be out in 2017, but they never said the words "SOE is FINISHED" in that video or anything like it.  All they said was that it is going to be a big 2017, they have SOE coming out and very special shows for the Joshua Tree.  Never did they say it was finished in the Xmas video.

I think at this stage, a certain Chris Evans has a lot to answer for!

He said the album was finished. At the time, he was right--it was finished up until U2 decided to possibly change it given the state of the US right now. So Evans was correct, nothing to answer for.

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They're taking a huge risk here by tying this decision (tour JT, delay SOE) to the Donald Trump election. If - by May - Trump is already looking like a buffoonish failure, putins lapdog, amateur, etc., they will look prophetic and relevant for this. But if Trump surprises people and gains in popularity by May, economy starts picking up, opinions change - they will be stuck with a stadium tour that makes a hollow message.

He already looks like all of those things and he hasn't even taken office yet. Believe me, I had some hope that things would be different in the first few days after the election, but when he showed his true colors in deeming everyone against him "professional protesters," that's when I lost hope that he'd be anything but what we already anticipated.

Besides all of that, yes, TJT is a political album, but they can certainly play it live without tying it into the Trump presidency and it'd still be a solid show. The album is strong enough without resorting to that.

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They really need to ditch the Trump bashing for this tour, I remember the majority of the forum predicted correctly a Anti Trump protest for Bullet during the DreamForce show. That was borderline cringe, however if they were to continue that into this tour, given what has happened and that America have voted unanimously for a Trump Presidency, it would be embarrassing if you ask me. It's time to move on and fuel the middle of that song live with another event or past experience they can call upon

Um... No sir.  America has not voted unanimously for a Trump Presidency.  He lost the popular vote by over 2million and had a very low electoral college margin of victory.  So going by the data U2 would be well served to continue to bash the GOP/trump.

He had over 300 Electoral votes when there were suggesting he wouldn't even break 200, End of story

I think it's time for people generally to stop the bitterness and accept the result. People want change and it can be extremely hard to accept that, especially in Trumps case

I don't think most are questioning the results, because that is over with.  What is worth questioning is going to be policies and the rhetoric that Trumps spews.   I do not see a problem for a band, especially U2 to point certain things. Trump through his endless tweets has come across as racists and a person that seems to want to divide, I see no issue U2 taking aim at those kind of things.   I think the Dreamforce performance and what they did was pretty accurate, Trump was calling for deportation and other such things and U2 used that in a smart way.  Yeah, they can get carried away with it at times, but honestly, It does not bother me.  If I disagree with a stance Bono has, I just don't agree with it and move on.  I have no issues with them injecting some political stuff into the shows, nothing wrong with it really.  I may agree or disagree, but they are the performers and they have the right to say something if they choose,  I don't have to agree with it, but it is something U2 has always done.


Stateless is right, people who are complaining about U2's stance seem to forget that they have pretty much always been a political band and spent the 80s criticizing Reagan, the 90s criticizing Bush and Clinton, and the 00s also criticizing the war. All of a sudden, people are offended because they're criticizing a guy who embodies so much of what is wrong with the US right now? If it bothers you that much, don't go to the shows and find an artist who is more to your political leanings. Don't expect the artist to bow to your political beliefs.
You're right, but the problem is that they are no longer in their twenties with few bucks in their pockets.
People don't like to be preached to by 60 years old millionaires rockstars.
Many find them grating, 'cause they think they can't be aware of the struggles of common people from the golden cage they live in.

True. I would rather listen to an album that gives insight to what it's like to be a millionaire pensioner from Dublin. Than someone spelling out to me that the world is up sh** creek and that Donald trump was a mistake.  Honestly, I really don't need it.