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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2017, 06:50:36 AM »
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I've always wondered, how does the band distinguish between scalpers and attendees when they announce 'sold out'

They don't. And the full show isn't really sold out, either. Today's "sold out" announcement doesn't mean every ticket in the stadium has been sold, it means "all of the tickets we decided to release today have been sold." Quite a difference. There are always multiple ticket releases as the shows approach. Always.

And to answer the original question, yes, scalpers are inevitable.

I think that multiple releases may be a good thing because it can mean a sizeable amount of tickets are released in the week leading up to the show, and this undercuts the ability of scalpers to extort fans.  On the other hand, if a fan can't get a ticket and is not aware a ticket drop is taking place, then they can lose out. 

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2017, 07:33:34 AM »
As long as people who get shut out panic and pay over face on ticketing sites, scalpers are here to stay.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2017, 04:40:21 PM »
U2 actually does a better job than most by using paperless ticketing. They have enough industry clout to demand 50% of the tickets for their fan club presale. Not only that, but they make those tickets available to the fans vs. raking all of the good locations for their VIP's and getting rid of the scraps in the fan club presale. Scalpers hate GA, so U2 demands GA at every show. Scalpers hate paperless tickets and it worked for a little while, but unfortunately scalpers have figured out a way around it.

Look, U2 has a big fan base. If you want tickets, look around and you might find some here.... at cost. I might have some extra Red Zone tickets for Levi's Stadium. I'm not sure yet, but I'd say it's more than a coin flip. My dilemma is finding someone who is on the level and really wants to make it happen. I don't know anyone here and it would require some trust on both sides.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2017, 04:55:27 PM »
Photos/ID on tickets and a face value resale facility (where you can't allocate the ticket to a specific person) fixes this immediately.

It works for one of the big music festivals here.

Name and DOB on the tickets upon purchase. If you want to sell the tickets because you can't go, fine. It will cost you $20 but they can be sold via the same online sales method.

I can't sell my ticket to you, but I sell it back to the ticket office and they sell it again to someone else on my behalf, then I get my money.

Foolproof and can't be exploited by scalpers unless they sell the ticket upfront (ie before it's purchased).

Ticketmaster/Live Nation don't care. They get more money being scalpers themselves via their resale facility, they double dip because they get the fees on the initial sale and then again on the subsequent sale. They love scalping, so long as they are the ones doing it.

Bands make none of this double dipped money, so they only make the money based on first round legitimate ticket sales. They don't like scalping in theory but they make no more nor less if they stamp it out. Commercially, their lawyers and accountants don't care.

Follow the money.

For scalping to stop, the market has to stop.

The ability to resell needs to be removed.
The demand for tickets from secondary markets needs to be removed

Nothing else will stop scalping.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2017, 06:03:53 PM »
Yep, Ticketmaster and Live Nation are one company called "Live Nation Entertainment"...Greedy!!

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2017, 04:30:07 AM »
all I know is that to get two "decent" seats somewhere, like the Rose Bowl, would cost you almost $600. It would be worth it, if it was at all affordable. But...

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2017, 04:55:40 AM »
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Prince was meant to play a mini tour in small venues a few years back. When he found out what was happening to the tickets he cancelled the whole tour. Gonna take something like that from more bands before something gets done.

Exactly. Or everything is going to have to go total CC with an actual ID screening, much like going on a plane. But I don't see that ever happening, at least not for a large stadium/arena tour. Too much time and too much money involved.

And the scalpers are indeed inevitable. If you're a licensed broker, or not, if you sell a ticket for a profit, you're now a scalper. There's always going to be demand and someone is always going to be willing to sell. Look at something like Stub Hub. This stuff is never going away because now anyone can be a scalper. If you (and I'm not directing this at you. I'm saying in general) think it's "too high" or "unfair", I'm sorry, don't go then. Someone else will. I agree it sucks. However, I also see it as a business. Not everyone buying a ticket is a fan. Concerts are like sports.

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Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2017, 05:12:07 AM »
It's SOOOOO easy to stop scalpers. Simply don't pay more than face value for a ticket. Job done. If you pay more than the price of the ticket then you are the problem.

I personally like the touts outside of venues buying and selling off the crowd. Got some ace deals over the years.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2017, 05:16:43 AM »
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It's SOOOOO easy to stop scalpers. Simply don't pay more than face value for a ticket. Job done. If you pay more than the price of the ticket then you are the problem.

I personally like the touts outside of venues buying and selling off the crowd. Got some ace deals over the years.

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I agree, however, this is like the "I don't like beer prices at shows or games, so I won't buy it and the prices will lower". Someone else is always going to be willing to pay above and beyond for what they want when it's not readily available and/or you're stuck. You'll feel good and win your own personal fight, but the war will never end. Clearly not enough people seem to feel that they're "part of the problem". If you want to attend something, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2017, 05:46:48 AM »
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It's SOOOOO easy to stop scalpers. Simply don't pay more than face value for a ticket. Job done. If you pay more than the price of the ticket then you are the problem.

I personally like the touts outside of venues buying and selling off the crowd. Got some ace deals over the years.

PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER

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I agree, however, this is like the "I don't like beer prices at shows or games, so I won't buy it and the prices will lower". Someone else is always going to be willing to pay above and beyond for what they want when it's not readily available and/or you're stuck. You'll feel good and win your own personal fight, but the war will never end. Clearly not enough people seem to feel that they're "part of the problem". If you want to attend something, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Well, I did buy resale (via Ticketmaster site) for SOI. Good, seats. WAY cheaper than the venue price. And, do I feel bad? NO! It made it possible for me to see the show, AND go again to the second show...also on a resale ticket, via Ticketmaster site. I don't really approve of scalping, but if the sale is ON THE TICKETMASTER SITE, I think it's acceptable. Some of us simply cannot afford the venue prices...if I could, I would! That said, I would never pay MORE than venue prices for a resale seat...even if I could afford it.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2017, 05:56:28 AM »
Is it not hypocritical though to pay less than face value? We're upset at people selling tickets for over face value, yet only too pleased to pay half price on the day of the show from a guy whose wife may have simply been unable to go?

Aren't we having it a bit each way?

If we subscribe to 'the market'  and capitalism, supply and demand, we should accept both unders and overs.

I'm obviously having some devils advocate fun here.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2017, 06:02:33 AM »
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Is it not hypocritical though to pay less than face value? We're upset at people selling tickets for over face value, yet only too pleased to pay half price on the day of the show from a guy whose wife may have simply been unable to go?

Aren't we having it a bit each way?

If we subscribe to 'the market'  and capitalism, supply and demand, we should accept both unders and overs.

I'm obviously having some devils advocate fun here.
And, we DO love playing the devils advocate, don't we? And, you may be right about having it a bit each way...but I still don't feel bad. lol.
I got to go to the shows...and it meant the world to me...I'll NEVER forget.

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2017, 06:23:42 AM »
And if a guy lost $50 because his wife got ill, that's OK because hey, we got to see a show and saved some bucks?

(you're right. I DO love playing avocado diablo or whatever the Latin is. It's fun)

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2017, 06:30:00 AM »
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And if a guy lost $50 because his wife got ill, that's OK because hey, we got to see a show and saved some bucks?

(you're right. I DO love playing avocado diablo or whatever the Latin is. It's fun)
avocado diablo! I love it...
oh, and tell the guy whose wife got ill...so sorry...really! I got to see the show! And, saved more than a few bucks! YAY!

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Re: Are scalpers inevitable?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2017, 07:29:08 AM »
OK here's what I don't get: I bought tickets in Concourse 1 for Metlife. Clicked the "SELL" button on my ticket page out of curiosity. Says "Sorry but due to ticket delivery restrictions, these tickets cannot be sold." Yet if you look on ticketmaster resale for the June 28th show, there are thousands of tickets for sale in all three concourses, only GA is where you can't find any.

Or are some tickets sellable depending on section?