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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2018, 06:26:11 AM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band. The lyric is often changed and dictated by the music. Writing something down on paper that is really well written is great. The problem is that you may not be able to sing that. Not only not sing that, but have it fit with the music of a song. Lyrics for rock songs don't have the freedom to be anything like the lines of a book novel or piece of poetry.

Then there is what the band is passionate about. I think U2 have always been passionate about all their work, especially their latest work. It would feel forced, contrived, to write something to fit some part of the fanbases agenda. I think its fantastic that U2 have put out 5 new albums since January 2000. Their still an active band writing and recording new material on a fairly regular basis. Compare that with bands like Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac that have only put out a single album in the same period of time.
What Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac have done has nothing to do with U2.  Comparisons among artists are meaningless.  I can name hundreds of artists that have been only sporadically active or completely inactive in the last 30 years.  That has nothing to do with how meaningful I find SOI/SOE to be.

If you’re trying to say that U2 has a long record of putting out great to decent music, no argument there.  But I believe they can and will produce better than the last two.


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Stop trying to shut down discussion by declaring that something is meaningless. People make comparisons between artist, and works of art all the time. This is a thread about GRAMMY NOMINATIONS, HINT!

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2018, 08:41:20 PM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band. The lyric is often changed and dictated by the music. Writing something down on paper that is really well written is great. The problem is that you may not be able to sing that. Not only not sing that, but have it fit with the music of a song. Lyrics for rock songs don't have the freedom to be anything like the lines of a book novel or piece of poetry.

Then there is what the band is passionate about. I think U2 have always been passionate about all their work, especially their latest work. It would feel forced, contrived, to write something to fit some part of the fanbases agenda. I think its fantastic that U2 have put out 5 new albums since January 2000. Their still an active band writing and recording new material on a fairly regular basis. Compare that with bands like Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac that have only put out a single album in the same period of time.

One of the interesting things about U2’s lyrics is the way they mesh with the music, and are often inspired by the emotional texture of the music. And yet, in many cases they are also powerful on their own, even as written text. SOE has many examples. When combined with the music and Bono’s extremely evocative singing, the words are incredibly moving. I’d have to say that many of U2’s lyrics *are* poetry. After all, poetry was originally sung, if you go back to its roots in the oral tradition.


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