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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2018, 06:37:27 PM »
I think they just decided to do a bit of musical theatre this time around, plumbing the Dublin streets for inspiration.  They have to find new and creative ways to keep themselves engaged, too, and it was quite different for them.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2018, 07:10:15 PM »
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I think they just decided to do a bit of musical theatre this time around, plumbing the Dublin streets for inspiration.  They have to find new and creative ways to keep themselves engaged, too, and it was quite different for them.
I would buy that if they did it for one tour.  But the last two tours were basically the same theme.


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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2018, 11:16:19 PM »
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Nope; supply and demand--lesser demand, lower price.
I don’t think U2 is ever going to generate low enough demand to play a 3,000 seat theatre at $300/seat.  Maybe a one off for some special occasion but not a tour.  U2 are more like McCartney.  They will never be less than arena-level demand due to their legacy, even if they stop releasing new music.


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That's probably true, but I have seen a lot of artist who used to sellout 15,000 seat venues who are now only booking 3,000 seat venues. Generally, to maintain popularity you need to continue to generate hits with new material. If that does not happen, then attendance at concerts starts to drop off. Just look at the 110 shows of U2's 360 tour. Those 110 shows outgross and have better attendance than the 3 U2 tours(Innocence and Experience, Joshua Tree 2017, Experience and Innocence) since then combined,

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2018, 11:27:27 PM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

The interesting thing is, the 360 tour supporting No Line On The Horizon actually had much better attendance in many cities than the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 did. If the new album supplies hits, or if recent previous albums did, then a new album actually brings in more fans than a greatest hits tour.

When a new album is not embraced by new fans, old fans, general public, then overall attendance shrinks. Right now, attendance at U2 shows is generally on the decline regardless of the type of tour. The last hits were in the 00s. Whatever millinial support the band had has left. That leaves the old, aging fanbase from that joined up in the late 80s/early 90s. Over time, that older fanbase gradually erodes for a variety of reasons. Thats why new hits bringing in new fans is important to maintain or grow overall attendance and demand.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2018, 11:39:30 PM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2018, 11:42:49 PM »
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The Grammys are driven by whatever the music trends are.  In the US (as elsewhere), its hip-hop, R&B, pop/dance crossover and a little country-American pop.
No rock, indie or metal in the main.

That tends to be the case in more recent years. But historically, the Grammy's used to be known in defying trends and awarding music that not everyone knew about or that was necessarily popular in terms of sales.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2018, 07:40:44 AM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.

I'm a PARENT as well (not sure why I capitalized the word PARENTS originally... maybe because my parents are older.  I'm 37, so I'm not exactly young).  My point was simply that casual fans, like my parents and some of my friends, would be more inclined to go to a U2 greatest hits show.  I would still go to a GH show, though it's not my preference by a long shot. 

I'm a big fan of SOI and SOE, but at the shows I thought they went a little overboard, and became too literal with their presentation of some of the new songs.  The show was too dependent on the narrative.  The fact that they couldn't just play Dirty Day without having a complicated, elaborate, forced story about their fathers was kind of annoying.  I want the next tour to just be U2 playing U2 songs, and nothing is off limits.  Do about 5 new songs, but rotate the new album so we get to hear all of it live.  And then otherwise just play a combination of hits, deep cuts and everything in between.  They don't need a reason to play Dirty Day.  It's a U2 song, this is a U2 show... play it!

lol, I'm so freakin old.  I've got you by over 20 years.  I have a daughter almost your age.  The parent caps thing just evoked bad memories of someone, somewhere shouting on a message forum.  I know that wasn't your intent and understand your point for emphasis.

I agree with everything you said.  Although, I'm not a fan of SOI/SOE, I've tried to keep up.  I haven't gone to any shows on their recent tours but watched the i+e show from December 2015 in Paris.  I came away from viewing that thinking the band was trying to hard.  Too many stories to explain the songs when the songs speak for themselves.  As you correctly put - "The show was too dependent on the narrative". And it really appeared they were trying so hard to reach the younger demographic.  Nothing wrong with that but it was the way they were doing it.  It came across forced and somewhat fake.  If I had attended that show or ones like it, I would probably have walked away very disillusioned. 

I want the same things you described for their next tour.  Although, due to my age I'll probably never see it live but rather from a DVD.  Like you, I believe they don't need to explain everything before playing a song. They have no explaining to do, they are U2.

Dirty Day, good example - a favorite of mine!

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2018, 08:02:16 AM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2018, 09:02:37 AM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band. The lyric is often changed and dictated by the music. Writing something down on paper that is really well written is great. The problem is that you may not be able to sing that. Not only not sing that, but have it fit with the music of a song. Lyrics for rock songs don't have the freedom to be anything like the lines of a book novel or piece of poetry.

Then there is what the band is passionate about. I think U2 have always been passionate about all their work, especially their latest work. It would feel forced, contrived, to write something to fit some part of the fanbases agenda. I think its fantastic that U2 have put out 5 new albums since January 2000. Their still an active band writing and recording new material on a fairly regular basis. Compare that with bands like Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac that have only put out a single album in the same period of time.

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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band.

And I wish they would start acting like a rock band again.  Too many adult contemporary pop songs lately.  Hopefully, something worthwhile is around the corner.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2018, 10:19:49 AM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band. The lyric is often changed and dictated by the music. Writing something down on paper that is really well written is great. The problem is that you may not be able to sing that. Not only not sing that, but have it fit with the music of a song. Lyrics for rock songs don't have the freedom to be anything like the lines of a book novel or piece of poetry.

Then there is what the band is passionate about. I think U2 have always been passionate about all their work, especially their latest work. It would feel forced, contrived, to write something to fit some part of the fanbases agenda. I think its fantastic that U2 have put out 5 new albums since January 2000. Their still an active band writing and recording new material on a fairly regular basis. Compare that with bands like Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac that have only put out a single album in the same period of time.
What Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac have done has nothing to do with U2.  Comparisons among artists are meaningless.  I can name hundreds of artists that have been only sporadically active or completely inactive in the last 30 years.  That has nothing to do with how meaningful I find SOI/SOE to be.

If you’re trying to say that U2 has a long record of putting out great to decent music, no argument there.  But I believe they can and will produce better than the last two.


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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band. The lyric is often changed and dictated by the music. Writing something down on paper that is really well written is great. The problem is that you may not be able to sing that. Not only not sing that, but have it fit with the music of a song. Lyrics for rock songs don't have the freedom to be anything like the lines of a book novel or piece of poetry.

Then there is what the band is passionate about. I think U2 have always been passionate about all their work, especially their latest work. It would feel forced, contrived, to write something to fit some part of the fanbases agenda. I think its fantastic that U2 have put out 5 new albums since January 2000. Their still an active band writing and recording new material on a fairly regular basis. Compare that with bands like Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac that have only put out a single album in the same period of time.
What Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac have done has nothing to do with U2.  Comparisons among artists are meaningless.  I can name hundreds of artists that have been only sporadically active or completely inactive in the last 30 years.  That has nothing to do with how meaningful I find SOI/SOE to be.

If you’re trying to say that U2 has a long record of putting out great to decent music, no argument there.  But I believe they can and will produce better than the last two.


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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2018, 02:41:51 PM »
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If U2 would just stop releasing new music, and do nothing except Greatest Hits setlists, they could tour arenas and stadiums infinitely.  Demand would probably go UP if they quit releasing new music and just focused on the hits.  I know a lot of friends that WOULD go to a U2 greatest hits tour that would probably not go to a show where they're going to play 8 songs from the new album.  Hell, my PARENTS would go to a U2 GH show. 

But U2 just aren't made that way, and I am thankful.

Well, I'm a PARENT and I wouldn't go to a U2 GH show.  I want to go to a U2 show that has brand new material, from a brand new album with Edge's chiming guitar, produced by Eno/Lanois and dealing with relevant worldly subjects. I'm tired of hearing Bono sing about Bono. The MOR rock/pop music they've put out is junk.  They need to get real again.
Yes, this path they’ve taken on the last two albums of U2 on U2 is where they have really gone off track.  Its boring.  But worse than that it gives off the impression of self-importance and self-indulgence.  It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work.  I don’t say this to insult anyone.  We all have different things that make us tick and that’s fine.  But this is not a way to broaden your appeal and be relevant to the younger demographic, which they seem to be wanting to do based on their musical production choices.  Nobody outside people who have been reading up on the band knows or cares what Cedarwood Road is.  They actually have an animated scene of their life story on the big screen!

This is different than Lennon using Strawberry Fields or McCartney using Penny Lane as a jumping off point for a creative expression that is not “about them”.  It feels like they are trying to create their own legend even if that is not what is in their hearts.

I predict the band is not done and will come back with some great art and later reflect on how they kind of lost their way in the 2010’s.


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I actually think a lot of the themes they address on the recent two albums are things most fans could relate to in some way. Lots of people have a street where they grew up on or spent a good part of it growing up on, which is why Cedarwood Road is song anyone could relate to. Besides, its not the actual lyrics themselves that turn people on or off to the music, but whether the music when combined with the singing of lyrics generates some type of emotion or spiritual state or that "something else" which makes people attracted to or like a particular song or album of songs.

I think the lyrics are very important to fans of U2's work.  As Tortuga correctly pointed out regarding U2's recent work - "It appeals most to people who are hardcore fans of the band members themselves...which is distinct from being a fan of their work".  I'm a hardcore fan of their work, not a hardcore Bono fan.  Yeah, I think highly of Bono but he isn't the reason why I love U2.  And for me, at least, the lyrics mean a lot to my perception of their work.  SOI/SOE have lyrics that are too trite and too pre-packaged. And, as said before, it's all too self introspective.  I want to hear songs about world events, songs that tackle hard subjects, songs that have lyrics that matter.  And above all, songs that rock. 

I think U2 still has it in them, to turn it around and get back to being a band that truly matters.  I'm hopeful of the future of the band.  They aren't done yet.

U2 are not writing poetry or novels, they are a rock band. The lyric is often changed and dictated by the music. Writing something down on paper that is really well written is great. The problem is that you may not be able to sing that. Not only not sing that, but have it fit with the music of a song. Lyrics for rock songs don't have the freedom to be anything like the lines of a book novel or piece of poetry.

Then there is what the band is passionate about. I think U2 have always been passionate about all their work, especially their latest work. It would feel forced, contrived, to write something to fit some part of the fanbases agenda. I think its fantastic that U2 have put out 5 new albums since January 2000. Their still an active band writing and recording new material on a fairly regular basis. Compare that with bands like Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac that have only put out a single album in the same period of time.
What Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac have done has nothing to do with U2.  Comparisons among artists are meaningless.  I can name hundreds of artists that have been only sporadically active or completely inactive in the last 30 years.  That has nothing to do with how meaningful I find SOI/SOE to be.

If you’re trying to say that U2 has a long record of putting out great to decent music, no argument there.  But I believe they can and will produce better than the last two.


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Oh, okay.  Sorry man.


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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2018, 05:32:36 PM »
    Since SOI/SOE were companion pieces, I think it makes sense that the tours were similar.  Next tour, it would be nice to see them drop the Vertigo/Elevation/UTEOW stuff, which has been done a lot, for something fresher.
     As far as "rock" songs go, I think "Blackout" and "American Soul" are good examples of what modern U2 will bring across.  I personally liked them, but I would also expect to see more ballad type material in SOE, or whatever they call their next effort.

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Re: No Grammy nominations for the music on Songs Of Experience
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2018, 06:02:52 PM »
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    Since SOI/SOE were companion pieces, I think it makes sense that the tours were similar.  Next tour, it would be nice to see them drop the Vertigo/Elevation/UTEOW stuff, which has been done a lot, for something fresher.
     As far as "rock" songs go, I think "Blackout" and "American Soul" are good examples of what modern U2 will bring across.  I personally liked them, but I would also expect to see more ballad type material in SOE, or whatever they call their next effort.
Sure, it might make sense relative to the grand concept Bono had in his mind.  But it is just my opinion that the concept ran out of gas long before its completion.  It kind of imploded under its own weight.  I don’t think it was an interesting enough concept to support two tours.  Its almost like they were hell-bent on finishing it whether it made sense or not.  Just my opinion of course. 


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