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Re: NEW SONG - U2 release Ahisma with A.R. Rahman
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2019, 04:06:19 PM »
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U2 knocked this out in a 20min Skype call.

Ha! I think you NAILED it there! Well said.
Upon first listen I thought it was "nice", but since then I've come to realize it really is awful. I mean, the non-U2 "choir" is nice but in regards to a U2 creation this is awful. Even Coldplay could make something like this a bit "meatier"

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« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2019, 04:30:53 PM »
I’ve listened to it a few more times and it’s growing on me. The simplicity and calm are well aligned with the subject.


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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2019, 08:02:03 PM »
I think its the lyrics that really are the thing that are diminishing my appreciation of U2’s recent work.  They are just so simple and cliche.

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Re: NEW SONG - U2 release Ahisma with A.R. Rahman
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2019, 12:09:26 AM »
It's a chill enough song, and it got to #1 on the India iTunes chart, so it may just not be for the standard western U2 audience as much. I'm all for them working with new people and do a better job of appealing to cultures outside of those they've had the most success with historically. 

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2019, 05:16:43 AM »
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It's a chill enough song, and it got to #1 on the India iTunes chart, so it may just not be for the standard western U2 audience as much. I'm all for them working with new people and do a better job of appealing to cultures outside of those they've had the most success with historically.

Okay, but if that’s the case, why does it sound exactly like the kind of cliche song Coldplay would produce for its Western audience and nothing like Indian music?  The female voices are not unlike the decorative treatments Peter Gabriel and other western artists have been doing for decades.


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Re: NEW SONG - U2 release Ahisma with A.R. Rahman
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2019, 05:38:38 AM »
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It's a chill enough song, and it got to #1 on the India iTunes chart, so it may just not be for the standard western U2 audience as much. I'm all for them working with new people and do a better job of appealing to cultures outside of those they've had the most success with historically.



Okay, but if that’s the case, why does it sound exactly like the kind of cliche song Coldplay would produce for its Western audience and nothing like Indian music?  The female voices are not unlike the decorative treatments Peter Gabriel and other western artists have been doing for decades.


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I think this is U2 heading into World Music territory. Some of us Westerners might not like it.
Following the tour (and the last few tours), I can see people turning their backs on the band.  Lots of complaints about blandness and also the politicism. U2 have always been political, but not popularist. So, as popularism invades the West people slag off U2.
I'm a globalist. It must be the U2 influence. So I welcome this direction U2 are taking - they are reaching out to places where there's a following, but they've not played. Asia specially.
I'm hoping the shows in South Korea, Philippines and India go as well as the ones in Singapore went.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2019, 06:31:32 AM »
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It's a chill enough song, and it got to #1 on the India iTunes chart, so it may just not be for the standard western U2 audience as much. I'm all for them working with new people and do a better job of appealing to cultures outside of those they've had the most success with historically.



Okay, but if that’s the case, why does it sound exactly like the kind of cliche song Coldplay would produce for its Western audience and nothing like Indian music?  The female voices are not unlike the decorative treatments Peter Gabriel and other western artists have been doing for decades.


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I think this is U2 heading into World Music territory. Some of us Westerners might not like it.
Following the tour (and the last few tours), I can see people turning their backs on the band.  Lots of complaints about blandness and also the politicism. U2 have always been political, but not popularist. So, as popularism invades the West people slag off U2.
I'm a globalist. It must be the U2 influence. So I welcome this direction U2 are taking - they are reaching out to places where there's a following, but they've not played. Asia specially.
I'm hoping the shows in South Korea, Philippines and India go as well as the ones in Singapore went.

I realize I’m repeating myself here but do you really think that song sounds like “World Music”?  I listen to a wide range of music and LOVE it when U2 goes off the beaten path.  What they have been doing the last few years is going mainstream pop. Which is why I am finding their recent music boring.

Throwing some choir voices on top of a very western song doesn’t make it World Music.  There are no Indian instruments or eastern scales or arrangements.  The lyrics are bland new age spiritual blah blah.  Its not like they are specifically related to Hinduism or Sikh or any other major Indian religion.  Just the usual 21st century watered down U2 lyrics.  Whatever happened to lyrics like SHFWILF or Wake up Deadman?


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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2019, 09:07:43 AM »
  Just the usual 21st century watered down U2 lyrics.  Whatever happened to lyrics like SHFWILF or Wake up Deadman?
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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2019, 12:01:43 PM »
I believe it went to No 1 in India not so much because of U2 but because of A.R. Rahman as he is very popular there. So, the goal of advertisement in India has been achieved for U2. Even though the song does not have Indian instruments or eastern scales it can be categorized as world music just because of the female voices and the refrain. If you listen to other music by A.R. Rahman, you will notice that his influence is quite obvious in the use of the piano and the mood of the song. By no means an experimental song but a decent world pop song. I don’t think U2 are becoming a world music band but I reckon more collaborations with popular world music artists in the future.
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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2019, 10:03:44 PM »
The song is totally bland, blasé drivel. I get it, they wanted to do something special for India, being the first time that they’ll have ever played there; but, why not a new song also for Singapore, South Korea, and the Philippines?

Regardless, this song is laughably bad. Seriously, they’re touring their Joshua Tree album, which many take to be their magnum opus (it’s my second favorite of their canon, as I think that Achtung Baby topped JT), and this is the new song? Seriously, listen to ANY song from JT and try and tell me this new song is ontologically good.

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2019, 06:53:12 AM »
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Regardless, this song is laughably bad. Seriously, they’re touring their Joshua Tree album, which many take to be their magnum opus (it’s my second favorite of their canon, as I think that Achtung Baby topped JT), and this is the new song? Seriously, listen to ANY song from JT and try and tell me this new song is ontologically good.

I just listened to Trip Through Your Wires, and I'm telling you that Ahimsa is ontologically good.


J/K, actually neither song is my cup of tea.

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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2019, 05:02:33 PM »
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Regardless, this song is laughably bad. Seriously, they’re touring their Joshua Tree album, which many take to be their magnum opus (it’s my second favorite of their canon, as I think that Achtung Baby topped JT), and this is the new song? Seriously, listen to ANY song from JT and try and tell me this new song is ontologically good.

I just listened to Trip Through Your Wires, and I'm telling you that Ahimsa is ontologically good.


J/K, actually neither song is my cup of tea.

Even band needs a fun, throwaway, drinking song. ITTYW is that song for U2. It's also a rare fun song for them. Ahimsa just makes me want to drink.

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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2019, 08:32:40 PM »
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It's a chill enough song, and it got to #1 on the India iTunes chart, so it may just not be for the standard western U2 audience as much. I'm all for them working with new people and do a better job of appealing to cultures outside of those they've had the most success with historically.

Okay, but if that’s the case, why does it sound exactly like the kind of cliche song Coldplay would produce for its Western audience and nothing like Indian music?  The female voices are not unlike the decorative treatments Peter Gabriel and other western artists have been doing for decades.


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Oh, I've listened to the new Coldplay album. It's nowhere near as good as Ahimsa. Seriously, I had to stop listening after a few songs. 

But even regarding Coldplay as an easy target, I genuinely don't know what works in India. It's not my culture, and I'm not going to make any declarations about what may appeal to it or not. I don't know what a nation of 1.3 billion human beings values in popular art, if it's even possible to describe that many people as a homogeneous culture. But that's the audience the song was released for, and it's doing quite well. Not every U2 song has to be for North Americans and Western Europeans.
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2019, 05:37:07 AM »
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It's a chill enough song, and it got to #1 on the India iTunes chart, so it may just not be for the standard western U2 audience as much. I'm all for them working with new people and do a better job of appealing to cultures outside of those they've had the most success with historically.

Okay, but if that’s the case, why does it sound exactly like the kind of cliche song Coldplay would produce for its Western audience and nothing like Indian music?  The female voices are not unlike the decorative treatments Peter Gabriel and other western artists have been doing for decades.


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Oh, I've listened to the new Coldplay album. It's nowhere near as good as Ahimsa. Seriously, I had to stop listening after a few songs. 

But even regarding Coldplay as an easy target, I genuinely don't know what works in India. It's not my culture, and I'm not going to make any declarations about what may appeal to it or not. I don't know what a nation of 1.3 billion human beings values in popular art, if it's even possible to describe that many people as a homogeneous culture. But that's the audience the song was released for, and it's doing quite well. Not every U2 song has to be for North Americans and Western Europeans.

My point was not to compare the quality of this song to the quality of the latest Coldplay music.  My point was that this song has an arrangement and sound very similar to that typical of Coldplay in general, and consequently, that I find it boring because its been done to death by U2, Coldplay, and every praise and worship band in the US.  Its time to dream up something new.  I know some are seeing this as “world” music because it was done with an Indian musician but I hear about 90% typical U2.  That of course, is subjective.

As to what may or may not appeal to the Indian market I have no idea.  I was only commenting on how it appeals to me.  But to reflect on your comments on India, mine are that India is culturally distinct from Europe and the Americas, and U2 is more part of the European and North American culture.  So it doesn’t surprise me that when a pop superstar from outside India partners up with an Indian musician, it is novel and interesting to the people of India and an easy  “win” in that country regardless of the quality of the song or how appealing it is from a uniquely Indian perspective.

Of course not every song U2 releases has to be for the Western market.  But given how similar this song sounds to much of what U2 has done in the past and how similar it sounds in general to things Coldplay has created, and how “western” it sounds, I kind of doubt that my problem with it is that it sounds unfamiliar to my Western ears.
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2019, 05:57:25 AM »
Ian just curious, did you hear the full Coldplay or the first half they released early? I heard the half, and was also pretty underwhelmed. Just revisited the full release and there’s a few pretty good songs, pleasant nothing earth shattering imho.

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