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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2009, 11:39:52 AM »
The great thing about the Zoo TV/Zooropa shows was the new material from Achtung Baby was so great.  The new songs eclipsing the old warhorses made those shows what they were.  In comparison one cannot imagine U2 opening 360 with 7 or 8 songs from NLOTH since the material is just not strong enough.   But the reality is that is in the past and we all live in the present.     

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2009, 01:17:11 PM »
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has he lost the F'u attitude of ZOO

I find it pretty embarrassing when 50-year-old men try to act like they did at 30. Let the man age as gracefully as he can, and try to enjoy what he is now, rather than what he isn't.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 01:32:53 PM »
Agreed.  Zootv shows were flippen awesome!  I will never forget hearing G.Bush Sr. saying, "We will...we will....rock you."  My life changed after those words.  As much as I would love for Doc Brown to show up in his time machine and take me back to that concert, it ain't gonna happen.  Just be happy the band are still together and playing great music today, I know I am. :)

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2009, 03:17:47 PM »
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has he lost the F'u attitude of ZOO

I find it pretty embarrassing when 50-year-old men try to act like they did at 30. Let the man age as gracefully as he can, and try to enjoy what he is now, rather than what he isn't.

Funnily I have always viewed Bono and the boys as ageless.  They don't seem any older today than 18 years ago.  Their knees probably ache more though.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2009, 05:31:53 PM »
For all you big Zoo Fans (and any U2fan) if you haven't read Until the End of the World yet, you absolutely must.  I've seen it mentioned several times on this board but it's worth mentioning again.  I've been wanting to read it again.  You can get a used copy off of Amazon for a cheap price.  It's written by a guy, Bill Flanagan, that has all access to them during the Zoo tour.  The inside look at their life on the road during my all time favorite tour is fantastic!  Heres the link to Amazon.com
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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2009, 07:17:42 PM »
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As much as I agree and LOVE 90s U2 and especially ZooTV and also view that whole 90s period as a lifechanging ongoing piece of art...  I would never want them to repeat and go back.  They are different, they are older, thier music is different, I am different I am older... Im not in my teens anymore and things like coolness, attitude, anger, pi**ed off emtions do far less for me (not saying that ZOOTV was only these things, of course not), and things like commitment, soul, subtlety nakedness, willingness to stick your neck and viewpoint out in the open, putting it all out there, mean far more to me now.  They are things that I would not have appreciated as much at a younger age.

I sill see ZooTV/Achtung/Zoooropa/Pop  as life altering mindopening visionary works.   But art should also be genuine and reflcet your current state and your view of the workd you currently live in.  That 90s world is not the same.  These albums are still more than relevant... they are more relevant than any of the music being put out today by bands other than U2.  But I also see NLOTH as far more relevant to me now.  The masks, characters, and attitude of those days that is the part that isnt as relevant.The songs and the core of the tour still are.

That is my take



I completely agree, but when you listen to Ultraviolet, you can't help but think 'they just don't do it like they used to'

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2009, 12:45:18 AM »
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For all you big Zoo Fans (and any U2fan) if you haven't read Until the End of the World yet, you absolutely must.  I've seen it mentioned several times on this board but it's worth mentioning again.  I've been wanting to read it again.  You can get a used copy off of Amazon for a cheap price.  It's written by a guy, Bill Flanagan, that has all access to them during the Zoo tour.  The inside look at their life on the road during my all time favorite tour is fantastic!  Heres the link to Amazon.com
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Hahaha! You're right, its what a lot of people (especially the newer fans) miss out on. Don't quote too much from it on the official forum though, they don't like to be reminded their "gods" are human.   ;D

The profanity, the story about Bono waking up in whats basically a crack-house one day, the Clinton story, the TRUE Adam story, the studio fighting...its all there.
At The End of the World should have been the template for the official band bio, not that glossed over thing they put out themselves.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2009, 02:55:46 PM »
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sleezy, dirty, aggressive, cocky...and by far the best u2 tour of all time.  "The Claw"....it's great, but it doesn't beet Bono 'slinking on stage" to the 91 Z00 arena tour......Life changing.

Yes its not Zoo TV that's because they never said they where going to recreate Zoo TV or any other past tour.  Zoo TV was great but that's in the past, let it go. 

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2009, 03:01:30 PM »
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As much as I want to see a more fun Bono, I grew up liking this Bono we have now. I honestly don't want Bono to go into crazy overrdrive mode and a 49 year old rockstar still acting like a 27 year old is just odd. Example: Jagger.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2009, 10:39:03 PM »
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Funnily I have always viewed Bono and the boys as ageless.  They don't seem any older today than 18 years ago.  Their knees probably ache more though.

I'd agree with ya if you'd said "timeless." But certainly not ageless. Their music and Bono's lyrics are very much reflections of their current station in life. They couldn't make an Achtung Baby today, and they couldn't have made NLOTH 20 years ago. One of the things I love most about U2 is that -- almost without exception -- they've remained true to themselves artistically. I don't always like every song/album, I don't always relate to every song/album, but I believe what they've created over the years has been generally true to themselves.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2009, 05:32:52 AM »
I don't know what people want. It would be uber-lame and totally embarassing if they tried to recreate ZooTV. That tour will probably be the band's definitive tour, but the moment is over. That's no fault of the band, times change. Just be grateful they're still putting on the best shows in the World.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2009, 08:21:22 AM »
Just my 2c here, but I believe when people say "it's not zoo" or "it's not popmart", they don't mean the band would physically recreate the staging/props/costumes etc of those tours.

I believe they mean in terms of creating an intelligent stage show and concept which is closely aligned with the message(s) of those albums.

In terms of technical accomplishment i'm sure it's every bit the equal of those tours, but in terms of creating an overall experience aligned with the music and the fans, it appears to be distinctly second rate.

It's like something Kiss would do - "look at us. this is bigger, brighter and flashier than (insert band's name here) stage"

Reminds me a bit of Bowie's 'Glass spider' Tour taken to extreme





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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2009, 06:33:19 AM »
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The great thing about the Zoo TV/Zooropa shows was the new material from Achtung Baby was so great.  The new songs eclipsing the old warhorses made those shows what they were.  In comparison one cannot imagine U2 opening 360 with 7 or 8 songs from NLOTH since the material is just not strong enough.   But the reality is that is in the past and we all live in the present.     

Well that's interesting when they are currently playing 7 songs out of NLOTH album. :D So what is not strong for you. To me NLOTH songs are much stronger live than AB ones. It depends on individual taste, but these new songs speak to me emotionally a lot more than AB ones TODAY. Except for One, Ultraviolet and Trying to throw your Arms, the rest of them do not connect to our time anymore, imo. In fact, the superficial 90's era seems to look like the exact opposite to that we're living in right now. We're much closer to the seriousness of U2's 80's music.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2009, 09:16:43 AM »
You can't really compare ZooTV and POPMART to 360, or Elevation or Vertigo for that matter...
The 90's tours were as much social commentary and a living breathing piece of performance art (media obsession, pop art kitsch, television, sattelites, war, European Union... etc.). The electronic media was exploding and U2 were at the cutting edge of it.
The Claw is a massive and rediculous piece of staging, but it wasn't meant to BE anything other than an amazing show piece. The staging of both ZooTV and Popmart were meant to be a part of the overall meaning, like the backdrops in a play.
360 will be a great tour, no doubt. Some of the best concerts ever.
But the 90s tours were MEANT to be more than "just concerts". They were supposed to say something. About technology. About Media. About commercialism. About US.
Their effectiveness is debatable, but I do believe that there is a conceptual difference there that makes them impossible to properly compare.

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Re: it's just not ZOO....
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2009, 09:26:24 AM »
well I'm really going to upset you now. I HATED the zooTV era. I bowed out and stopped following them in the 90's. I cringed when I saw BOno as Macphisto and cringed when i  saw them dressed up for the Discotteque video. perhaps I'm just older and more staid than you lot. But U2 to me ar when they're more traditional. I loved HTDaaB and vertigo for being U2 albums. i cnat stand popousness- ok shoot me down