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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #150 on: December 04, 2009, 02:09:57 PM »
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Michael Jackson outsold them.

He released new music this year?

I wasn't aware of that.

Is it any good?


Yep was brilliant. Any way how old are you?

What was the name of his new studio release?

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #151 on: December 04, 2009, 02:11:15 PM »
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Anyway. u2 had a great run in the late 80's and 90's but the last decade was pretty lame and now people are moving away from them. Instead of playing festivals in order to try to get new fans they should make a better album than the last three. Go full trance or full Rick Rubin Johnny Cash style or just give it up. Nobody's waiting for another safe predictable U2 album. People won't buy into that any more. If they were planning another No line bomb or leave behind sounding album for SOA I would skip the whole album and come up with something else

"go trance or full Rick Rubin Johnny Cash style" WTF?

What really needs to happen is fans who only like one "phase" of U2 need to learn to move on.  Pining for U2 to return to
some style from 15 years ago can't be good for one's soul.  It's no different than disgruntled fans in 1993 waxing poetic about how good 1983 was and how trendy they are now.

U2 are sitting pretty. NLOTH is one of the bands best efforts, outmatched only by AB, TJT, and Boy.

Only one release on the planet has outsold NLOTH this year and the tour will wind up setting all time attendance records.

So, the notion that people are "moving away from them" is another fairy tale.


Michael Jackson outsold them.

Michael Jackson outsold Echo's new album, so people are moving away from Echo at a much faster rate.

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #152 on: December 04, 2009, 02:26:38 PM »
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Michael Jackson outsold them.

He released new music this year?

I wasn't aware of that.

Is it any good?


Yep was brilliant. Any way how old are you?

What was the name of his new studio release?
It was Titled Somewhere over the rainbow. Any way how old are you?

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #153 on: December 04, 2009, 02:27:37 PM »
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Well, they both released their debut albums in 1980.

Boy is better than Crocodiles

They both released the sophomore albums in 1981.

October is better than Heaven Up Here.

They both released their third albums in 1983.

War is better than Porcupine.

They both released their fourth albums in 1984.

The Unforgettable Fire is better than Ocean Rain.

They both released their fifth albums in 1987.

The Joshua Tree is better than Echo & The Bunnymen.

Then things get really lopsided:

1988 U2 release Rattle & Hum. Echo release nothing.

1990 Echo release Reverberation. An album WITHOUT Ian.

1991 U2 release Achtung Baby. Echo release nothing.

1993 U2 release Zooropa. Echo release nothing.

1995 U2 release Passengers: OS1. Echo release nothing.

So, the notion that Echo was some powerful, elder musical force while U2 were
upstarts is simply false.

It's not true.

It's not based on reality.

It's a made up fairy tale.

They were peers. And, as their records came out in parallel with one another, U2's work
consistently beat Echo's like a rented mule. One of these bands is great. One of these bands
was good.

The singer of the "good" band now makes racist and fat jokes about the singer in the "great" band.

The singer in the "great" band makes great rock & roll music.

That's your opinion, really.  Mine looks a bit different.

Well, they both released their debut albums in 1980.
Crocodiles is better than Boy

They both released the sophomore albums in 1981.
Heaven Up Here is better than October

They both released their third albums in 1983.
War is better than Porcupine.

They both released their fourth albums in 1984.
The Unforgettable Fire is equal to Ocean Rain.

They both released their fifth albums in 1987.
The Joshua Tree is better than Echo & The Bunnymen.

1988 U2 release Rattle & Hum. Echo release nothing.
1990 Echo release Reverberation. An album WITHOUT Ian.
1991 U2 release Achtung Baby. Echo release nothing.
1993 U2 release Zooropa. Echo release nothing.
1995 U2 release Passengers: OS1. Echo release nothing.


All of this is true, but why stop in 1995?

They both released albums in 1997
Pop is better than Evergreen

1999, the Bunnymen release What Are You Going To Do With Your Life?  U2 release nothing

In 2000, U2 release ATYCLB and in 2001, the Bunnymen release Flowers
ATYCLB is equal to Flowers

In 2004, U2 release HTDAAB, and in 2005 the Bunnymen release Siberia
Siberia is better than HTDAAB

And finally...in 2009, both bands released an album
NLOTH is better than The Fountain


I obviously like U2 more than the Bunnymen, but it isn't as one-sided for me as it seems to be for you.

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #154 on: December 04, 2009, 02:39:57 PM »
Another one of those threads that will spiral down onto itself creating a black hole.

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #155 on: December 04, 2009, 02:42:15 PM »
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It was Titled Somewhere over the rainbow. Any way how old are you?

Can't seem to find any info on AllMusic. Or ITunes. Or Amazon.

Which is odd since it's one of the year's biggest sellers.  

You've obviously heard it, you called it "brilliant."

Are you sure it's called "Somewhere over the rainbow"?

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2009, 04:40:50 PM »
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It was Titled Somewhere over the rainbow. Any way how old are you?

Can't seem to find any info on AllMusic. Or ITunes. Or Amazon.

Which is odd since it's one of the year's biggest sellers.  

You've obviously heard it, you called it "brilliant."

Are you sure it's called "Somewhere over the rainbow"?
Nothing personal but I kinda have this feeling that you're too young to have been around the first half of the 80's and really know what impact a band like Echo had. Let alone all the other great bands that were around at the time. And too young to been around to see that U2 was just an emerging band at the time and far from as good as most other bands.

nothing personal but am I right or am i wrong?
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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #157 on: December 04, 2009, 04:51:50 PM »
Their influence began with Crocodiles and ended with Ocean Rain. They laid down a blueprint for sure, but that's when U2 rightfully took what they learned from all their influences and claimed the crown of biggest band of the 80's.


And yes, I was there. It's sure different to say that they "had an impact in the first half of the 80's" than calling them the biggest band of the 80's, which you did in the appreciation thread.

Just to clarify.
 

If you really want to talk impact, from 1983 to 1987, there was no bigger band on the planet than Def Leppard.

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #158 on: December 04, 2009, 06:37:02 PM »
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Michael Jackson outsold them.

He released new music this year?

I wasn't aware of that.

Is it any good?


Yep was brilliant. Any way how old are you?

What was the name of his new studio release?
It was Titled Somewhere over the rainbow. Any way how old are you?

You just won't give up, will you?  ;D

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #159 on: December 04, 2009, 07:13:07 PM »
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....

Just to clarify.
 

If you really want to talk impact, from 1983 to 1987, there was no bigger band on the planet than Def Leppard.



Good point. Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc. were all far more influential where I was from than either Echo or U2. In retrospect, I think U2 is (and was) far better than all those other bands, but who knows--maybe in another 20 years my tastes in music will have the metal bands back on top.

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #160 on: December 04, 2009, 08:03:08 PM »
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Yep was brilliant. Any way how old are you?

I'm 36-24-36. I have blond hair and green eyes. I like long walks on the beach and
a man who's not afraid to cry. Oh, I have a toy poodle named Mitzy. You must get
along with her or it's a no go...




























DUDE...I'm a friggin' baby. Can you not see my avatar? I've been outside the
womb for like 180 days...rocking and rolling the whole time. You should probably
stop coming on to me, it really can't end well...for you.   

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #161 on: December 04, 2009, 09:19:54 PM »
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....

Just to clarify.
 

If you really want to talk impact, from 1983 to 1987, there was no bigger band on the planet than Def Leppard.



Good point. Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc. were all far more influential where I was from than either Echo or U2. In retrospect, I think U2 is (and was) far better than all those other bands, but who knows--maybe in another 20 years my tastes in music will have the metal bands back on top.

The ratio of metal-band sleeveless shirts to post-punk new wave-band shirts at the schools I attended was about 50 to 1.  :D

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #162 on: December 05, 2009, 03:20:45 AM »
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Yep was brilliant. Any way how old are you?

I'm 36-24-36. I have blond hair and green eyes. I like long walks on the beach and
a man who's not afraid to cry. Oh, I have a toy poodle named Mitzy. You must get
along with her or it's a no go...




























DUDE...I'm a friggin' baby. Can you not see my avatar? I've been outside the
womb for like 180 days...rocking and rolling the whole time. You should probably
stop coming on to me, it really can't end well...for you.   
Is that a binary threat? hey that's a great title for U2 next album and the follow up to Achtung Baby: Binary Tread Baby


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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #163 on: December 07, 2009, 10:18:56 PM »
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U2 needs to play the better songs from the 90's and before that if they want to kick butt at this festival. It's a great chance to show how good they can be. Bono should not preach a word cause that's what puts people off. And Adam should turn the volume of his base up to eleven.
Actually, Bono should preach more  ;D

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Re: U2 are for Teenagers
« Reply #164 on: December 08, 2009, 05:03:24 AM »
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U2 needs to play the better songs from the 90's and before that if they want to kick butt at this festival. It's a great chance to show how good they can be. Bono should not preach a word cause that's what puts people off. And Adam should turn the volume of his base up to eleven.
Actually, Bono should preach more  ;D
yeah and really put the nail in U2's coffin?