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Title: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 04, 2010, 07:37:51 PM
U2 have led the way in the innovation and presentation of the modern day rock tour.

What do you think has been the best stage design and light show of all U2 tours?

I'd say

Pop-Mart for a stadium show and Zoo TV for an indoor arena show. :)








Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: aurabender on February 04, 2010, 07:54:03 PM
Zoo TV far an away overshadows every other tour they have done. It was light years ahead of its time and it had a purpose. That tour set a bar that no band, even U2, has yet to raise. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on February 04, 2010, 11:41:12 PM
simply, The Claw
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Achtung_Habs on February 05, 2010, 12:46:25 AM
Zoo TV was really ahead of it's time... But The Claw, is a technological masterpiece.

I gotta give it to the Claw !!
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: eddyjedi on February 05, 2010, 05:17:12 AM
I really like the heart because its so simple and effective
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: dudette on February 05, 2010, 05:39:07 AM
The Claw is so fun! It's really given it's own crazy stamp to the tour. Without it, it would have an entirely different feel.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on February 05, 2010, 05:44:38 AM
If I were to follow the thread title strictly, the Claw...

but for sure effectiveness of themes communicated and creativity and groundbreaking technology, ZOO TV takes the cake!
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: hurricane hugo on February 05, 2010, 09:31:21 AM
haven't seen 360 in person yet, but the design is staggering.

having said that, PopMart still gets the prize.

#@!
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: singnomore on February 05, 2010, 11:14:27 AM
God what a question!

Zoo TV (indoor and out) for its over the topness
Joshua tree for being moody and simple but brilliant
The Claw - just coz....
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: halljoh2 on February 05, 2010, 01:05:22 PM
1a. The Claw. Just staggering technology

1b. Zoo TV. pure overload

2. Elevation- <3

3. War- Simple yet effective
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: U2_fan8 [aka U28] on February 06, 2010, 11:16:17 AM
In terms of being the "best" in stage and light design, the claw easily wins. Staggering is the perfect word to describe it.

But for being ahead of its time, and just plain fun, Zoo takes the cake. The technilogical and sensory overload was great, and it was the first time U2 had done anything for a stage other than a backdrop and spotlight.

My favorites, though, are probably War and JT. They may have been plain, but they did their job. I also am more partial to the music from both periods - the stage design of each really did a good job of reflecting the War and JT albums.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 06, 2010, 11:37:43 AM
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In terms of being the "best" in stage and light design, the claw easily wins. Staggering is the perfect word to describe it.

But for being ahead of its time, and just plain fun, Zoo takes the cake. The technilogical and sensory overload was great, and it was the first time U2 had done anything for a stage other than a backdrop and spotlight.

My favorites, though, are probably War and JT. They may have been plain, but they did their job. I also am more partial to the music from both periods - the stage design of each really did a good job of reflecting the War and JT albums.

U2 realized they couldn't play stadiums with a JT type stage design.  I felt the stage for the Vertigo stadium shows short-changed fans too.


Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 06, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
I didn't attend a Pop-Mart show but the images on the giant LED screen must have been visually stunning. 8)


Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: nolinehere on February 06, 2010, 01:49:07 PM
Define "best"

Thematically ZOO was 'best'

Technologically, for it's time, again Zoo

For creating an intimate close atmosphere, Elevation was "best"

I can't think of one category in which the claw is tops, other than "how many people got their sight lines interfered with"

Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: missey on February 06, 2010, 04:57:07 PM
I thought the heart setup was brilliant.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 06, 2010, 04:58:25 PM
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I thought the heart setup was brilliant.


So simple and cost effective and yet so effective. :)
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: briscoetheque on February 07, 2010, 01:05:05 AM
Red Rocks.

The way the pyrotechnics guys got the storms, the rain, the fog to look so realistic... well it gets my vote.

You'd honestly believe it was actually wet and misty...
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on February 07, 2010, 04:56:30 AM
The greatest U2 show I ever attended was a ZOO TV Outside Broadcast show, but the best show in terms of the stage, lighting and design was POPMART.  Bono used to talk about how the band wanted to drive a Rolls Royce into the crowd and that was POPMART. 
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 07, 2010, 06:51:47 AM
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Red Rocks.

The way the pyrotechnics guys got the storms, the rain, the fog to look so realistic... well it gets my vote.

You'd honestly believe it was actually wet and misty...

You mean to say it wasn't?
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: dudette on February 07, 2010, 06:54:01 AM
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Red Rocks.

The way the pyrotechnics guys got the storms, the rain, the fog to look so realistic... well it gets my vote.

You'd honestly believe it was actually wet and misty...

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: An Cat Dubh on February 07, 2010, 02:39:33 PM
Zoo TV. Period.

Only those who never witnessed it live would disagree. Technology has moved on at incredible rate. If the technology of today had been at U2's disposal back in the early 90's, can you imagine what Zoo TV would have looked like.

Yes, Pop Mart was awesome, the Claw is awesome, but they would never have seen the light of day if it were not for Zoo TV.

Zoo TV was like the Star Wars of movies. For its time, staggeringly innovative and daring, and 20 years on, it still looks amazing.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: StrongGirl on February 07, 2010, 03:05:07 PM
I am the one who can never make up her mind! Each of these posts just makes me believe that every tour had its own amazing design.  They are all different but equally as amazing!

I should live in Switzerland  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on February 07, 2010, 08:41:29 PM
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Define "best"

Thematically ZOO was 'best'

Technologically, for it's time, again Zoo

For creating an intimate close atmosphere, Elevation was "best"

I can't think of one category in which the claw is tops, other than "how many people got their sight lines interfered with"


I will agree with the first three, and my vote goes to ZooTV.  It was absolutely brilliant and contrasts with the last 3 outings in really having a theme to it.

With that said, I thought the claw actually did an amazing job of bringing the feel of the show to 50,000-95,000 fans quite well.  The in the round setup worked much better than I thought it would.  Also, I have to give a nod to the heart setup, for the reason listed above.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: aurabender on February 08, 2010, 01:08:22 AM
Am I the only person who finds The Claw to be underwhelming? I mean it is very big and it offers people to the side and rear of the stage a unique perspective. But as for lighting and technology, I do not see anything that rivals most of U2's previous tours. Just an opinion.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 08, 2010, 01:12:59 AM
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Am I the only person who finds The Claw to be underwhelming? I mean it is very big and it offers people to the side and rear of the stage a unique perspective. But as for lighting and technology, I do not see anything that rivals most of U2's previous tours. Just an opinion.

From what I've seen on youtube I share that opinion.


Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: U2_fan8 [aka U28] on February 10, 2010, 12:11:43 AM
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Red Rocks.

The way the pyrotechnics guys got the storms, the rain, the fog to look so realistic... well it gets my vote.

You'd honestly believe it was actually wet and misty...

Win.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: DGordon1 on February 10, 2010, 10:03:56 AM
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Am I the only person who finds The Claw to be underwhelming? I mean it is very big and it offers people to the side and rear of the stage a unique perspective. But as for lighting and technology, I do not see anything that rivals most of U2's previous tours. Just an opinion.

Well the 360 tour was the first U2 show I've been to; but I was really REALLY blown away by it. At the end of Crazy Tonight I half-expected the claw to take off into outer space :D
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: nolinehere on February 10, 2010, 08:27:14 PM
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Am I the only person who finds The Claw to be underwhelming? I mean it is very big and it offers people to the side and rear of the stage a unique perspective. But as for lighting and technology, I do not see anything that rivals most of U2's previous tours. Just an opinion.

No you're not.

It's big and bright and shiny and......  ?

I actually thought it emphasized how far away from the band much of the crowd is, it was the anti-heart in terms of adding intimacy
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: RunningtoStandstill (The League of Extraordinary BonoPeople) on February 10, 2010, 09:28:35 PM
hmm...best is hard to describe.  each fit with the tour.  but i would say i liked Zoo the best because it was the most amazing, visually.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on October 20, 2010, 05:37:32 AM
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I didn't attend a Pop-Mart show but the images on the giant LED screen must have been visually stunning. 8)





Yes, PopMart wins the prize.  One could appreciate the stage and the visuals as art - much more so than ZOO TV or 360.

One of my greatest concert experiences ever was simply walking into Giants Stadium and seeing the PopMart stage, screen and Lemon for the first time.  When they switched it on it was amazing.

Indoors - I also would go with ZOO TV.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: briscoetheque on October 20, 2010, 06:02:15 AM
Yup, gotta agree with Popmart. So much to look at.

How can you go past this?

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Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Bono Mob on October 20, 2010, 11:05:17 AM
I see a lot of very good responses. But the question is Best Stage and Light Design. "Best" is subjective to me as each person can define it differently.

Zoo TV - Lets face it the stage design at the time was tremendous. It was (at the time) never done before where you had 150 things to look at all at once. That could be a contender. But I don't think lighting played a big part. Beyond spot lights, full house lights (think Streets) and a few other changes, it was all about the stage. This was the best "Stage".

PopMart - This was also at the time a breakthrough technology. Thousands of LED lights that made up a 50 yard wide screen. Amazing. You could see that sucker from 3 miles away. Throw in the arch, the olive and the lemon and you had an unbelievable stage. The lights were amazing as the arch changed color and the screen itself was the main backdrop. To me this was the best "Lights" design.

360 - The claw is an amazing structure. To me the real technology breakthrough is the 360 screen. Never before has this technology been used, let alone work so well. The expansion, lowering, etc mixed with awesome camera work was amazing. When the entire claw would change colors combined with the added lights around the stadiums it would match the song. Throw in the moving stairwells, rotating drum kit and the sound it generated, I am not sure that could be topped. To me that captures both stage and light design.



Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: The Promenade on October 21, 2010, 02:42:20 PM
The claw is probably the ugliest stage set I've ever seen. Not only that but it has no visual concept behind it. Unlike ZOOTV and POPMART that were glorious. The Unforgettable Fire had a neat visual feel to it. I loved the Elevatio heart too. But then they got lazy trying to copy it on Vertigo. The last 7 years have been a sorry time for the band...
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Miami66 on October 21, 2010, 05:36:54 PM
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The last 7 years have been a AWESOME time for the band...

 I agree
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: u2kennesaw,ga on October 21, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
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Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Starman on October 21, 2010, 10:51:54 PM
The Claw wins, with Popmart and ZooTV in 2nd and 3rd place, respectfully. I really liked the indoor Vertigo layout too, that gets 4th place.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: The Promenade on October 22, 2010, 04:50:23 AM
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It's just big for the sake of being big
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on October 22, 2010, 04:58:14 AM
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It's just big for the sake of being big

it's big for the sake of making the place feel small, that's what it does.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: linasd on October 22, 2010, 05:10:26 AM
The claw is just big the first time you see it. It's not as impressive the second or third time. But it's awesome when you can see the top of the claw from the outside of the stadium.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on October 22, 2010, 08:27:55 AM
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Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: JTBaby on October 22, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
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It's just big for the sake of being big

it's big for the sake of making the place feel small, that's what it does.

I thought it made the band feel small and the atmosphere less intimate.

It's big and shiny and empty.

Pretty lights......very spinal tap

ZooTV and Popmart have it beat by miles. Artistically and as a spectacle with substance.



Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: gloriana on October 23, 2010, 01:05:01 PM
Anything but the JT "stage".
Does no-one remember the Vertigo "curtain", however? Or the shadow-banners on Elevation? (which I now geekily equate with the "Boy/Girl" silhouette sequence described in U2 by U2).
Having said all that, Zoo or the Claw. And while the lemon was at once brilliant and awkward (Pop RULES!), it was pretty original for an outdoor show, methinks.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: u2kennesaw,ga on October 23, 2010, 01:05:02 PM
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It's just big for the sake of being big

it's big for the sake of making the place feel small, that's what it does.
THATS WHY ITS INSANE  :D
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on October 23, 2010, 01:06:35 PM
I saw U2 in a tremendous 70,000 seat stadium last year.  Not once did I feel like I was in a tremendous 70,000 seat football stadium
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: trashbag on October 23, 2010, 06:02:27 PM
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I saw U2 in a tremendous 70,000 seat stadium last year.  Not once did I feel like I was in a tremendous 70,000 seat football stadium

I share that sentiment. Seeing the stage on YouTube or pictures does NOT do it justice. I was on the far side of the Claw and I was really worried I wouldn't be able to see the band well. I was REALLY surprised how WELL I could see them... And that huge screen with its almost DVD-like quality video helped out a lot. I was just blown away by it, and if I were to get tickets for the band's next USA tour, I would get seats where I can see the Claw as well as I can.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: JTBaby on October 24, 2010, 09:43:59 AM
Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.

Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: The Promenade on October 25, 2010, 10:30:25 AM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



Couldn't agree more - Zoo and POP engaged because the staging had a concept behind it. It engaged the audience conceptually.

360 is a big ugly structure with no other thought behind than just to be big...
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Bono Mob on October 25, 2010, 10:32:21 AM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: The Promenade on October 26, 2010, 02:46:10 AM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.

The point is, POPMART had an intellectual concept behind. 360 doesn't - it isn't even 360. More 280. Also, 360 (280) appears to have nothing conceptually to do with the album its meant to be promoting. Perhaps that's partly why so many people have called it a greatest hits set. The look of 360 (280) is generic. You could tour any album with it.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: JTBaby on October 26, 2010, 09:33:39 AM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.

The point is, POPMART had an intellectual concept behind. 360 doesn't - it isn't even 360. More 280. Also, 360 (280) appears to have nothing conceptually to do with the album its meant to be promoting. Perhaps that's partly why so many people have called it a greatest hits set. The look of 360 (280) is generic. You could tour any album with it.

Much of Popmart DID show the band on the screens too. There was no "High Def" back then.

Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Bono Mob on October 26, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.

The point is, POPMART had an intellectual concept behind. 360 doesn't - it isn't even 360. More 280. Also, 360 (280) appears to have nothing conceptually to do with the album its meant to be promoting. Perhaps that's partly why so many people have called it a greatest hits set. The look of 360 (280) is generic. You could tour any album with it.

I can agree on the "concept" but the original question was what was the best stage design, not the "best stage design concept relating to the latest album". Agreed that 360 does not relate to No Line. I was more pointing out that I thought 360 was a better overall concert in terms of both Light Design and Stage Design.

Also the PopMart concert I attended seemed like 50% of the screen was images and 50% was the band shots. With 360 it was more like 90% of the time was the band and 10% were images. To me the band images made it much better than high intensity colored cartoons.
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: JTBaby on October 26, 2010, 11:47:11 AM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.

The point is, POPMART had an intellectual concept behind. 360 doesn't - it isn't even 360. More 280. Also, 360 (280) appears to have nothing conceptually to do with the album its meant to be promoting. Perhaps that's partly why so many people have called it a greatest hits set. The look of 360 (280) is generic. You could tour any album with it.

I can agree on the "concept" but the original question was what was the best stage design, not the "best stage design concept relating to the latest album". Agreed that 360 does not relate to No Line. I was more pointing out that I thought 360 was a better overall concert in terms of both Light Design and Stage Design.

Also the PopMart concert I attended seemed like 50% of the screen was images and 50% was the band shots. With 360 it was more like 90% of the time was the band and 10% were images. To me the band images made it much better than high intensity colored cartoons.

I agree that 360 was a better TV-watching experience.

Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: The Promenade on October 26, 2010, 12:07:19 PM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.

The point is, POPMART had an intellectual concept behind. 360 doesn't - it isn't even 360. More 280. Also, 360 (280) appears to have nothing conceptually to do with the album its meant to be promoting. Perhaps that's partly why so many people have called it a greatest hits set. The look of 360 (280) is generic. You could tour any album with it.

I can agree on the "concept" but the original question was what was the best stage design, not the "best stage design concept relating to the latest album". Agreed that 360 does not relate to No Line. I was more pointing out that I thought 360 was a better overall concert in terms of both Light Design and Stage Design.

Also the PopMart concert I attended seemed like 50% of the screen was images and 50% was the band shots. With 360 it was more like 90% of the time was the band and 10% were images. To me the band images made it much better than high intensity colored cartoons.

I agree that 360 was a better TV-watching experience.



But the TV screens on 360 (280) are much, much smaller than the big POPMART screen - how can that be a better TV-watching experience? Anyhow, who wants to watch a band on screens? Why not stay at home...
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: indiansummer on October 26, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Why is the 360 stage only 280? At most venues they had fans in front ,back and the sides. The stage and screen are revolutionary . Saw three Zoo shows inside and outside and my most vivid memories  are thinking WTF and can I not just watch the band, and where is the band , and is that a dance remix? , you don't need to reinvent yourselves was happy with the music.
Saying that , now the dust has settled , I can now appreciate Zoo TV a lot more now and see how amazing it was. But I was a bit scared for the future back then , where has my u2 gone, who is this Macphisto fella? But thankfully 360 has moved them back to where they belong , just the songs with great effects using an amazingly new structure that beautifully reflects each one . 


Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on October 26, 2010, 05:33:36 PM
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Saw the Claw at the Rose Bowl. After the inevitable  "ooohhh look at that big bright shiny thing" reaction, I could have been watching at home.

The claw doesn't engage like the Popmart show or ZooTV. It is, it's there, and that's that.

I know I'm in the minority but I think it really creates a separation between band and audience, the size really reinforcing how unintimate and cold the show is.

Zoo and pop brought the audience closer as it engaged them in the show more.



I don't think PopMart was very engaging at all compared to 360. At PopMart I felt like the camera work was almost non-existant and all I could see were 4 tiny little people on a huge stage. There were not a lot of camera-to-screen shots as compared to the background images. To me it felt like a movie theatre as I had no visuals of any person movement - just tons of brightly colored images. With 360, almost the entire show is visualized on the screen with tons of movement of each member. So when you can see Edge on the 360 screen blaring his guitar and hear it, it is much better than just hearing it and seeing a screen of a cartoon image. Larry's intro to Vertigo on the drum kit as you hear it. With PopMart it was just music to blinding colors.

The point is, POPMART had an intellectual concept behind. 360 doesn't - it isn't even 360. More 280. Also, 360 (280) appears to have nothing conceptually to do with the album its meant to be promoting. Perhaps that's partly why so many people have called it a greatest hits set. The look of 360 (280) is generic. You could tour any album with it.

I can agree on the "concept" but the original question was what was the best stage design, not the "best stage design concept relating to the latest album". Agreed that 360 does not relate to No Line. I was more pointing out that I thought 360 was a better overall concert in terms of both Light Design and Stage Design.

Also the PopMart concert I attended seemed like 50% of the screen was images and 50% was the band shots. With 360 it was more like 90% of the time was the band and 10% were images. To me the band images made it much better than high intensity colored cartoons.

I agree that 360 was a better TV-watching experience.



But the TV screens on 360 (280) are much, much smaller than the big POPMART screen - how can that be a better TV-watching experience? Anyhow, who wants to watch a band on screens? Why not stay at home...

Baby was being sarcastic, I assume.



Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: tdot1a on October 26, 2010, 07:33:22 PM
Joe O: "no one goes home humming the lights"  U2 sounds amazing on this tour.  Best sound = 360. 

Alas this thread is about stage and lighting.  Zootv - ahh we were younger then with our eyes wide open.  Now we are older, completely media savvy folks who are asked to stand and are thinking about what time we have to leave the stadium to get our car out of the lot (well not actually me I take transit to the gigs and wait for the house lights but it sure as hell feels like a lot of folks have come to see a gig, not participate now doesn't it?).

Back to my point.  In other words we're not taking the time to appreciate what we are looking at.  360 is an amazing tour/structure/installation.  I have no idea how u2 can ever play stadiums in the more traditional, non 360, setting now.

That said I don't get the overall tour theme of time and space and what any of that has to do with a giant claw, not to mention NLOTH as a previous post mentions.   

So yes "best technical staging and lighting achievement" goes to 360.  "Best thematic staging achievement" goes to ZOOtv outdoors, although seeing that tour indoors was also pretty special if you were on the train with the band's new direction.  When Bullet was played outdoors on ZOO it was as if that stage was breathing fire, as Bono roared down the mic at us. 

Bono's lost some of that fire btw.....it happens.  Too bad we like our singers either hurt or angry or to be complete selfish, both. 
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: the_chief on October 26, 2010, 07:50:45 PM
Im surprised people are leaving out the vertigo outdoor stage.
that was pretty impressive i must say and the band (the first time for me) seemed to be engaging with the audience more....i.e adam interacting with the crowd on the b stages
Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: Tumbling Dice on October 26, 2010, 11:53:51 PM
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Im surprised people are leaving out the vertigo outdoor stage.
that was pretty impressive i must say and the band (the first time for me) seemed to be engaging with the audience more....i.e adam interacting with the crowd on the b stages

That was just a bog standard, album colour coordinated End-Stage set with a wall of light and a ramp.  I think that European, Latin American, Aussie and Jap fans were short-changed because it looked to me to be a stadium production on the cheap.  Although it could be argued that it reflected the back-to-basics rock and roll show that was Vertigo.  No such problems for the all important North American market as they got an arena show. 





Title: Re: Best Stage & Light Design
Post by: The Promenade on October 27, 2010, 04:23:13 AM
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Why is the 360 stage only 280? At most venues they had fans in front ,back and the sides. The stage and screen are revolutionary . Saw three Zoo shows inside and outside and my most vivid memories  are thinking WTF and can I not just watch the band, and where is the band , and is that a dance remix? , you don't need to reinvent yourselves was happy with the music.
Saying that , now the dust has settled , I can now appreciate Zoo TV a lot more now and see how amazing it was. But I was a bit scared for the future back then , where has my u2 gone, who is this Macphisto fella? But thankfully 360 has moved them back to where they belong , just the songs with great effects using an amazingly new structure that beautifully reflects each one . 




360 suggests total crowd interaction in the round - it also suggests the stage will be in the middle of the venue. Neither of which happen on 360 (280). At the gig I was at (and having seen video footage of other gigs), the band is still pretty much facing 'forwards' for most of the gig. Added to that, the floor area was most definitely not 360. Standing room was limited to the front and the sides - meaning if you wanted a 360 experience (ie to be able to see the band and stage from ANY angle), this simple wasn't possible. The people at the back of the stage are still stuck with watching on small TV screens or looking at the backs of the bands heads.

360 (280) is no different from a lot of other u2 gigs when they've played 'in the round' - a more honest description. All the bluster about it being unique simply isn't true.