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Title: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: morph on February 17, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

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Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Aqua on February 18, 2010, 12:22:13 AM
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(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

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Well it's a very good song
but they'd be out of their MINDS if they played it at glastonbury!! I doubt they will. .......... *facepalm* now you have me worried! I sure hope they play stuff from Pop...

I reckon this is a wasted petition. ... make one for playing acrobat instead!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: m100 on February 18, 2010, 02:55:00 AM
The only other  songs i can see ending glastonbury are one, 40  or walk on. Certainly won't be something like acrobat which hardly anyone in the audience except u2 fans, and don't forget tickets were sold before they were announced, will recognise. Even 40 is stretching it a bit for a non-u2 audience. I think by the time we get to moment of surrender everyone will have been so blown away by what has gone before that it won't matter.  Myself, I'd love an 11 o'clock tick tock/40 finish but i know it's not gonna happen which is why it's not on my set list in the other thread.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Aqua on February 18, 2010, 03:58:59 AM
Go with 40...
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: U2_fan8 [aka U28] on February 18, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
I'll sign, and I'm not even going to Glasto. MOS has never been nor ever will be a good show closer, in my opinion. It's too depressing and heavy. 40 works much better: even though they're similar-sounding song, 40 is more uplifting.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: hurricane hugo on February 18, 2010, 11:47:21 AM
Now I hope they play it twice.

#@!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Achtung_Habs on February 18, 2010, 01:28:43 PM
I prefer 40 as a closer, but won't sign this petition as Moment Of Surrender is seriously one of the best songs on No Line on the Horizon.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: birdlover on February 18, 2010, 02:21:28 PM
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I prefer 40 as a closer, but won't sign this petition as Moment Of Surrender is seriously one of the best songs on No Line on the Horizon.

I agree.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: singnomore on February 18, 2010, 02:42:24 PM
I think they will do their own thing so could be a closer! I do think it quietened the crowd so hope they go with something more uplifting...

If I had a choice it would have to be 40 of course...
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: johno11 on February 18, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
I'm sure they won't play MOS, they will most likely play a greatest hits set I bet.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: StrongGirl on February 18, 2010, 07:30:33 PM
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I prefer 40 as a closer, but won't sign this petition as Moment Of Surrender is seriously one of the best songs on No Line on the Horizon.

I agree as well! It is an amazing song and they shouldn't be scared off by a festival crowd !! They should be proud of this great song and have some courage to do it!  ;)
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on February 18, 2010, 10:45:13 PM
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I prefer 40 as a closer, but won't sign this petition as Moment Of Surrender is seriously one of the best songs on No Line on the Horizon.

I agree as well! It is an amazing song and they shouldn't be scared off by a festival crowd !! They should be proud of this great song and have some courage to do it!  ;)

Couldnt have said it better myself.  Tied with 40 as the best closer. The oh-oh-ohhhhhhhssss live are unreal
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: cathalmc on February 19, 2010, 01:13:26 PM

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(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

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Wrong on all three points imo! One of the best songs in the concert and on the album (along with NLOTH and Unknown Caller). The Glasto crowd will be well wooed by that stage, the fangs will only be used for sloppy lovebites.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 19, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
I'm hoping what they do play rather than hoping what they don't play.




Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: The Wanderer on February 19, 2010, 02:16:50 PM
Not play it at all?  Or don't close the show with it?
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 19, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
I think Bad/40 would be the best closer for the Glasto festival crowd.



Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: StrongGirl on February 19, 2010, 03:36:44 PM
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(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

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Wrong on all three points imo! One of the best songs in the concert and on the album (along with NLOTH and Unknown Caller). The Glasto crowd will be well wooed by that stage, the fangs will only be used for sloppy lovebites.

Hey it's a Cathal sighting!!  ;D  The next leg of the tour can't be far away now!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: cathalmc on February 19, 2010, 05:36:21 PM
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Hey it's a Cathal sighting!!  ;D  The next leg of the tour can't be far away now!

Yeah, Nessie and Sasquatch are hibernating longer than usual :)
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: halljoh2 on February 20, 2010, 08:22:06 AM
They should play it...  its a brilliant song, in the top ten they've ever done ,and it should be included even in a greatest hits set list.  How about a Ultraviolet/Streets/MOS closing?  I cant see anyone other than diehard U2 haters having a problem with that. 
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: nolinehere on February 20, 2010, 08:48:25 AM
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(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

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Wrong on all three points imo! One of the best songs in the concert and on the album (along with NLOTH and Unknown Caller). The Glasto crowd will be well wooed by that stage, the fangs will only be used for sloppy lovebites.

"that stage" won't be used at Glastonbury

and no stage will hide a poor song or performance, I'd be more worried about the continued beating WOWY is taking as that is a song the whole crowd WILL know, and no amount of lame rationalizing "he's singing in character" excuses will fly outside of the blinkered-hardcore-fan community

If they have the cojones they should keep MOS exactly where it is.



Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: StrongGirl on February 20, 2010, 07:22:36 PM
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Hey it's a Cathal sighting!!  ;D  The next leg of the tour can't be far away now!

Yeah, Nessie and Sasquatch are hibernating longer than usual :)

 :D :D :D    ;)
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: cathalmc on February 20, 2010, 10:27:31 PM
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"that stage" won't be used at Glastonbury


Um, wrong interpretation of "that stage" m'dear. It was temporal, not physical, like many good things. 
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: joe73 on February 21, 2010, 02:42:36 AM
Moment is one of the best songs on the album and should be played at all concerts to promote the new material.

I just don't think it works as a closer. It seemed like an anticlimax at both of the concerts I attended and could have done with either a 40/yahweh/bad coming afterwords.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: nolinehere on February 21, 2010, 09:23:07 AM
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"that stage" won't be used at Glastonbury


Um, wrong interpretation of "that stage" m'dear. It was temporal, not physical, like many good things. 

That's OK, some people don't even think Glastonbury is part of the UK !
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Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: The Unknown Caller on February 21, 2010, 09:28:33 AM
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(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

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Wrong on all three points imo! One of the best songs in the concert and on the album (along with NLOTH and Unknown Caller). The Glasto crowd will be well wooed by that stage, the fangs will only be used for sloppy lovebites.

"that stage" won't be used at Glastonbury

and no stage will hide a poor song or performance, I'd be more worried about the continued beating WOWY is taking as that is a song the whole crowd WILL know, and no amount of lame rationalizing "he's singing in character" excuses will fly outside of the blinkered-hardcore-fan community

If they have the cojones they should keep MOS exactly where it is.





Ironically enough, not only have I never, ever heard any casual fan complain about this tour's WOWY, I hgave not spoken to any who realise it's that different from usual.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: nolinehere on February 21, 2010, 09:36:38 AM
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(a) it was boring and indulgent at Wembley
(b) it's bland and depressing on the record
(c) the critics will have their vampire fangs out at Glasto - and this will give them easy blood!

Sign up below - or tell me I'm wrong...

Wrong on all three points imo! One of the best songs in the concert and on the album (along with NLOTH and Unknown Caller). The Glasto crowd will be well wooed by that stage, the fangs will only be used for sloppy lovebites.

"that stage" won't be used at Glastonbury

and no stage will hide a poor song or performance, I'd be more worried about the continued beating WOWY is taking as that is a song the whole crowd WILL know, and no amount of lame rationalizing "he's singing in character" excuses will fly outside of the blinkered-hardcore-fan community

If they have the cojones they should keep MOS exactly where it is.





Ironically enough, not only have I never, ever heard any casual fan complain about this tour's WOWY, I hgave not spoken to any who realise it's that different from usual.

I have not spoken to any casual fan who thinks MOS is a good closer, doesn't mean it isn't.

Glastonbury is different though, it's a general music crowd not necessarily a casual fan U2 crowd

Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: morph on February 22, 2010, 10:36:01 AM
It's great to see people sticking up for the song here, but is it really a great concert closer? No way baby. The ravers, hippies and travellers of Glasto will not want to be sent into their night of a thousand parties on a depressing note.

Still - everyone has different opinions and I'm sure mine is a minority one!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: eddyjedi on February 22, 2010, 08:04:50 PM
I dont think it wll close but I think it'll be played. They are immensly proud of it. I just hope they go all vintage on us and come out to streets, I think I would die from shock and awe, that and big tears as big as october cabbages. It would be the most fitting time to do it, I urge the band to take the risk, it wud be phenomenal and memorable
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: mbeano on February 26, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
I DONT AGREE AT ALL, but can at least see where people are coming from who think Moment of Surrender should not be a closer.

However, for some of the same people to suggest 40 as a replacement makes no sense.
1)  its slower
2)  Its barely a song
3)  It would fall under the same category or type of song as MOS, so why even replace MOS
4)  This is a song ONLY U2 fans appreciate.  Try playing this to any non U2 fan (recorded version or live) and witness the snoozefest
5)  I have not witnessed this song at its peak, only later when they occasionally did it on the Elevation tour as fairly lengthy snippets during BAD.  I can tell you that EVERY other snippet used in Bad, which I have experienced live, elevated the song.  40 did NOTHING, in a few cases its nearly killed the song.
For Vertigo they closed with full versions of 40... the energy was higher after Yahweh
6)  On Bootleg it hasnt faired well in the 2000s either
7)  Someone mentioned critics?  MOS is U2's most critically acclaimed song of not only the last album, but has topped many of the DECADE's best songs of 2000s lists.


Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: K2 on February 28, 2010, 06:02:12 PM
I am OK with them playing MOS at Glasto, because it is a truly great song, but not closing with it...and for GOD'S SAKE not attempting to add a rap sequence like they did on Saturday Night Live - that was so embarrassing. It's as if Bono was thinking, "Oh, I've heard that all the kids like rap these days - so I'd better start putting it into my songs." Kids may like rap, but not when U2 does it. Hurts just thinking about it. (If anyone did think it was cool, let me know.)
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: DGordon1 on March 01, 2010, 06:18:37 AM
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I am OK with them playing MOS at Glasto, because it is a truly great song, but not closing with it...and for GOD'S SAKE not attempting to add a rap sequence like they did on Saturday Night Live - that was so embarrassing. It's as if Bono was thinking, "Oh, I've heard that all the kids like rap these days - so I'd better start putting it into my songs." Kids may like rap, but not when U2 does it. Hurts just thinking about it. (If anyone did think it was cool, let me know.)

I loved that addition to the song; in fact I often think he should have done that on the record at the end with the "oh oh oooh's" in the background. It doesn't quite feel like rap to me; more like a spoken-word confession. I got chills at the end when he sings the "don't leave me now" lines, I think it completes the song perfectly.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: markreed on March 02, 2010, 10:28:31 AM
No. Think what you like ; but I think it's a fine closing song for the tour and teh show and matches up with teh "play a song off the new album as the last one on the tour so we don't look like a nostalgia act".

That, and the lyric about ignoring passersby works very well as teh last ones of the night - after a shared experience, everyone goes back to being a stranger.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: eddyjedi on March 02, 2010, 01:24:59 PM
Play it, f*** the glastonbury crowd. I hope you come out to streets, it would be the best thing EVER!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: emuhunter on March 02, 2010, 03:11:57 PM
WOW, this is pretty beyond belief in my opinion... I wonder how many bands in the world have fans that try to dictate their setlist to them like this.

With fans like the OP, who needs bloodthirsty critics?

PS I'm a huge fan of Moment Of Surrender, I hope they play it as a closer.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on March 02, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
I never heard anyone complain about Love Is Blindness being the last song played during ZOO TV shows and that, also, is a rather dark song...
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: U2_fan8 [aka U28] on March 04, 2010, 07:55:17 PM
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I never heard anyone complain about Love Is Blindness being the last song played during ZOO TV shows and that, also, is a rather dark song...

I think the reason LOB worked is

a) it was off of AB, and album pretty much everyone loved and

b) it went better with the whole theme of the tour. From the bootlegs I've listened to and from watching the concert DVD, Zoo TV shows didn't seem to have a lot of intimacy with the crowd. The band seemed to be trying to come across as rock stars, and physically keep the intimacy and connection with the audience to a minimum, to go with the whole "irony and bombast" themes of the tour. In my opinion, that mood and attitude went very well with the songs played each night; whereas with 360, they're trying to make a connection with the audience, through the songs the play and the stage design. Having a song like MOS close the show seems to be counterproductive to that ideal.
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: ciaz on March 04, 2010, 08:13:24 PM
The crowd would respond to 'how long, to sing this song' - put simply. They would not to MOS.

They should 100% not play MOS at glasto. At all. I love the song, but it shouldn't be played there.

Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: miami on March 05, 2010, 03:33:59 AM
it should be played at glasto. it makes for a fitting end of a show. why do people think that the glasto crowd won't like the sombre tone of the song? i think you may find glastonbury contains some of the most morose and taciturn people on the planet, so mos should be right up their street!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: markreed on March 05, 2010, 05:42:37 PM
Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: singnomore on March 06, 2010, 12:30:59 AM
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Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...

 :D :D :D :D

Mind you I'd like to see the conversation around being Green with Michael Eavis - that would be far more entertaining!

I love the thought of 40 - but thats coz I'm an old fart!
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: emuhunter on March 06, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
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Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...


X10000000000!!!!!

Why do people start threads like this?? It pisses me off to no end...
Like I said before, with "fans" like this who needs bloodthirsty critics??
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: nolinehere on March 06, 2010, 09:43:43 AM
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Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...


X10000000000!!!!!

Why do people start threads like this?? It pisses me off to no end...
Like I said before, with "fans" like this who needs bloodthirsty critics??

So every discussion here should be: "it doesn't matter what WE think it's U2, it's perfect" ?

Lots of boring threads ahead.

Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: DGordon1 on March 06, 2010, 10:29:38 AM
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Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...


X10000000000!!!!!

Why do people start threads like this?? It pisses me off to no end...
Like I said before, with "fans" like this who needs bloodthirsty critics??

So every discussion here should be: "it doesn't matter what WE think it's U2, it's perfect" ?

Lots of boring threads ahead.



Starting an online petition is going quite far though! They're not knocking down a children's hospital or anything :P
Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 06, 2010, 10:34:52 AM
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Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...

My sentiments about many U2 critics on this forum.  "Do this, do that, make this, make that, do it like this, don't do it like that."  They're only the greatest rock band in the world but the bunch of idiots need advice on how to progress. ::)



Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: nolinehere on March 06, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
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Go on, tell U2 what to do : they haven't got the slightest clue how to put on a good show...

My sentiments about many U2 critics on this forum.  "Do this, do that, make this, make that, do it like this, don't do it like that."  They're only the greatest rock band in the world but the bunch of idiots need advice on how to progress. ::)





U2 is like General Foods, GE, Samsung. They're too huge to pay attention to any silly online petition, a handful of people on @u2, a few hundred people on interference, etc.

The fun is in the discussion, expressing opinions on what we think would things better, what we'd like to see, opinions of the new material, etc.

Hardly the same as giving them "advice".

Title: Re: PETITION: PLEASE DON'T PLAY 'MOMENT OF SURRENDER' AT GLASTO
Post by: singnomore on March 07, 2010, 02:24:37 AM


[/quote]

U2 is like General Foods, GE, Samsung. They're too huge to pay attention to any silly online petition, a handful of people on @u2, a few hundred people on interference, etc.

The fun is in the discussion, expressing opinions on what we think would things better, what we'd like to see, opinions of the new material, etc.

Hardly the same as giving them "advice".


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The fun is in the discussion - agreed!

Still hope they close with 'Sing this with me this is 40..!!'     ;D