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Title: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: ice_bergy on January 20, 2009, 02:51:11 PM
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Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 20, 2009, 02:53:10 PM
YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

LET ME IN THE SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Evil Bono on January 20, 2009, 02:56:14 PM
They should've done that for Vertigo it would've fit perfect with the whole theme but oh well.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 20, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
Yeah, but maybe now we get 360 degree views of lots of girls in thigh high sexy boots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Malachi on January 20, 2009, 03:02:49 PM
Nice.

As long as they don't stay in one place. (seen it happen before lol.)

Mal
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 20, 2009, 03:04:58 PM
Yeah, that would not be cool.
I guess we will leave it up to the band and their designers to make sure the show is perfect though, they have not done too bad a job in the past eh?
And this would be cool indoors and in stadiums  ;)
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 20, 2009, 03:18:43 PM
Have you listened to Daniel Lanois - the stage will still be at the end of the arena/stadium - but there will be no pillars or anything blocking the way???? Not too sure what to make of this now, but, I have absolutely every faith here that this tour will be INCREDIBLE, whatever the design.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: u2boy11 on January 20, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
I WANT TO BE BEHIND LARRY!!!!!!!!

WATCH HIM BANG THOSE DRUMS ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: yam_yam on January 20, 2009, 03:50:39 PM
can someone explain this concept in such a way i can picture it in my head cos atm i'm extremely confused
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on January 20, 2009, 04:07:52 PM
First up, this all comes from an interview with Daniel Lanois who has seen "Preliminary drawings" of the stage setup. He said "I think there going 360 this time", "they are still set up favouring one end but there will be no pillars in the way"

So it's sounds like almost, but not quite "in the round", which would normally be dead centre in the middle of the arena/stadium.
Think of the indoor Vertigo tour which had an audience behind the stage in the higher levels only,now move the stage out toward the middle of the arena, this frees up the lower level behind the stage and also could mean a larger GA standing area as this could surround the stage.

Thats my take on it anyway.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 20, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
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First up, this all comes from an interview with Daniel Lanois who has seen "Preliminary drawings" of the stage setup. He said "I think there going 360 this time", "they are still set up favouring one end but there will be no pillars in the way"

So it's sounds like almost, but not quite "in the round", which would normally be dead centre in the middle of the arena/stadium.
Think of the indoor Vertigo tour which had an audience behind the stage in the higher levels only,now move the stage out toward the middle of the arena, this frees up the lower level behind the stage and also could mean a larger GA standing area as this could surround the stage.

Thats my take on it anyway.

Hey Falling - this is exactly how I envisage it being done. I kinda like the idea too.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: vickidvm on January 20, 2009, 04:20:43 PM
I don't know why they wouldn't just put the stage in the middle of the floor if they're going to do a 360 degree setup.  It seems like if the majority of the audience is in front of them, they wouldn't bother to face behind them much at all.  Whereas if the stage is in the middle, they'd be almost forced to face behind them half of the time. 
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on January 20, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
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I WANT TO BE BEHIND LARRY!!!!!!!!

WATCH HIM BANG THOSE DRUMS ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!!!!!!

You can have that seat, frankly.  I was behind the band in Charlotte, and although it was a good show, I left feeling a bit deflated.  The band was playing to someone else, and I think Bono motioned our way maybe twice.  It would be different if we were RIGHT behind Larry (see what color his drink is (ala U23D) right behind Larry), but we were way above them, because of the layout of the seats in that arena, and it was not quite as good as previous shows.  The tip of the ellipse was especially bad, because not only are they singing the other way, but they are now 1/2 way across the arena and we couldn't see them because of the video screens in the way.

My take on it, based on Danny Lanois' comments would be that the back end would be open, but the stage would not be in the middle of the arena.  The way I understood him was that there were no pillars to block their view, sort of like the US arenas with the roll down light strands for COBL, etc. or the banners used during Elevation to project stuff on, but then they fold back.

Someone (Hurricane Hugo, I think) posted a link of a NIN concert (I think - it was a few weeks back on a different thread) that was amazing, and I get the sense that the band will do some of that sort of stuff - visually amazing, but with a clear view of the band all around.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: vickidvm on January 20, 2009, 09:08:36 PM
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Someone (Hurricane Hugo, I think) posted a link of a NIN concert (I think - it was a few weeks back on a different thread) that was amazing, and I get the sense that the band will do some of that sort of stuff - visually amazing, but with a clear view of the band all around.

What was so amazing about the NIN show?  I haven't seen the link...
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on January 20, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
I am not sure exactly how they did it, but they appeared to have 3 screens, or rather 3 "scrims", which are transparent and you can project stuff on, or perhaps a mini version of the rolldown lights interspersed here and there.  This allowed them to give the illusion of depth and show some things in 3D.  The way I am describing it sounds lame, but visually, it was amazing.  In one part, there was sort of a glitter across the front screen (in front of the band), and then one of the band members wiped this thing across it, and it wiped away the glitter so you could see through.  it wasn't just them acting out a pre-programmed light set (where the lights dim at that moment and they practice it), as they had to go back and wipe away a little spot they missed.

Try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwV5cWLFM9U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwV5cWLFM9U) I think that is the one I saw before - sort of a mashup of a few songs.  I am not a NIN fan and I think there are some words that are objectionable, but visually it is amazing, at least in its variety of effects.  (0:46, 2:00, 2:20, 3:08 and the bit at the end).

Based on what we have heard recently (360 stage), I think this may be out, but perhaps something like this with the light curtain strands would be rolled down (my speculation only).
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Evil Bono on January 20, 2009, 09:48:41 PM
idk the whole 360 degree stage sounds awesome but when I read it'll be at the end of the stadium, well isn't that basically the Vertigo Tour?   
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: hurricane hugo on January 20, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
^ If you mean the Vertigo arena stage, yes - just scaled way up. Look on Youtube for footage from Foo Fighters' 2007 Wembley Stadium gig. You'll see how they did the 360-degree stadium seating, although there were "pillars" at each corner of the stage; I imagine that U2 may employ a "bridge style" double truss. Picture a suspension bridge with the entire stage beneath the center span. You'd also be able to put the entire overhead light rigging on tracks (think Pink Floyd's '87-'88 tour) as well as the video screens (a la Genesis' '93 setup), so that everything could move to where it was needed. There are other ways to do it, but that's the 1st one that comes to mind. Of course, in certain domed stadiums (New Orleans' Superdome, Detroit's Ford Field), one could hang the entire overhead component from the ceiling.

I'm curious as to what they do with the PA in this setup. A Pink Floyd-style quad sound system (in my experience) is ideal for giant stadium gigs.

#@!
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on January 21, 2009, 05:05:53 AM
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idk the whole 360 degree stage sounds awesome but when I read it'll be at the end of the stadium, well isn't that basically the Vertigo Tour?   

It's still not clear if the 360 will apply to both outdoor and indoor, but Lanois says something to the effect that the stage will be closer to one end, but it will still be out towards the middle. This is a radical departure particularly for the outdoor shows, as previous to this, no U2 "outdoor show" has ever had an audience behind the stage. It's still a bit unclear, but it sounds like a significant change to me
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Nielsen on January 21, 2009, 10:42:35 AM
Do you think that they may incorporate some of the technology used on U2 3D?
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: rlj1010 on January 22, 2009, 06:58:29 AM
Going "360", to me, implies a very stripped down show.   The stage would have to be virtually bare, in order to have nothing blocking the rear audience.

I want an actual BACKDROP... with vidiwalls, and Trabant cars, and arches, and mirrorball lemons...  A real SET!

The more bells and whistles, the better!




Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Loose Electricity on January 22, 2009, 07:36:17 AM
In the Dan Lanois tour clip , the tour was described as "technologicaly mind boggling". I don't think we need to worry about the tour being scaled down. I think that there is way more to the show than just a 360 stage. This is supposed to be their best album yet. I don't think the U2 boys would give us a half ass tour.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: JuniorEmblem on January 22, 2009, 08:04:47 AM
The best example of using a 360 stage I've seen was Metallica recently, they actually had a rectangular stage in the middle of the arena. The band moves around a lot so every side was played to/sang to, and the drumkit rotated too. There's a bazillion youtube clips if you're interested. I was wondering how Kirk would handle this due to the guitar pedals needing to be in front of him, but it wasn't an issue as he has it all programmed and run by his guitar tech so he's not stuck in front of his gear. Of course, the stage takes up a lot of GA capacity, so that wouldn't please Paul "part of your ISP provider fee should go to ME" McGuinne$$.



Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: JohnnyVOXX on January 23, 2009, 06:43:11 AM
could it be somthing like this?????
maybe with a little more stage stuff....
Peter GAbriel
Live Concert from the 2003 Growing Up Tour in Filaforum, Milan, Italy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7mrRheFQg
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: analogk on January 24, 2009, 02:02:28 PM
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could it be somthing like this?????
maybe with a little more stage stuff....
Peter GAbriel
Live Concert from the 2003 Growing Up Tour in Filaforum, Milan, Italy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF7mrRheFQg


Could be.  I'd expect more stuff on the stage.  The stage setup for Gabriel is pretty bare.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: Starguitar on January 24, 2009, 03:34:34 PM
The 360 stage sounds very nice, but wouldn't that limit them a bit with where they could play?  I love outdoor concerts the best, but this may be pretty hard to adapt.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: hibricc on February 25, 2009, 10:46:19 AM
Sorry I'm late to the discussion... One more intriguing note about the NIN tour.  The eyepopping visuals were designed by a company called Moment Factory.  Here's a short video that explains how they did all that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5wTWBz_c&eurl=http://allthingsthatrock.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=76&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5wTWBz_c&eurl=http://allthingsthatrock.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=76&feature=player_embedded)

Note the strangely familiar font of Moment Factory's logo.  Hmmmm....
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: zedg on February 25, 2009, 09:07:47 PM
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Sorry I'm late to the discussion... One more intriguing note about the NIN tour.  The eyepopping visuals were designed by a company called Moment Factory.  Here's a short video that explains how they did all that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5wTWBz_c&eurl=http://allthingsthatrock.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=76&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5wTWBz_c&eurl=http://allthingsthatrock.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=76&feature=player_embedded)

Note the strangely familiar font of Moment Factory's logo.  Hmmmm....

NIN are on tour in Australia right now and I really wanted to see this show, however Trent decided to strip down the show, removing all the sweet technology/visuals. Decided to no longer to go once I found this out.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: daveyg on February 26, 2009, 01:35:01 AM
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I WANT TO BE BEHIND LARRY!!!!!!!!

WATCH HIM BANG THOSE DRUMS ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!!!!!!

Every U2 gig so far Ive been to since 1987 Ive been stuck in front of Bono or Edge (not that that's a bad thing in itself!!) but I think this time I'd like to jump round like a maniac in front of Adam, but now I've a choice? Adam or Larry? mmmmmmm decisions decisions! lol
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: EdgeLike on February 27, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
I don't know.. If I was sitting behind them, I wouldn't be able to see their faces. And the playing would be directed at one part of the audience and not the others. Unless they have some sort of swivel mechanism.. That'd be awesome.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: p8ru2 on February 28, 2009, 10:17:12 AM
A close friend/U2 fan theorized that staging would be as suggested in the "equal" sign on the album cover, just as the heart was part of the Elevation tour, with the heart stage, and the ellipse for the Vertigo tour.  So methinks that's a pretty good bet.   8) 

...So how about the equal sign - two stages, that rotate on an axel so everyone gets a primo 3d view?   ;D
That'd rock! 
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: domino on March 01, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
W-O-W...that NIN stuff is absolutely amazing. I hope U2 can match or top that.
Title: Re: U2 is Using a 360 degree stage design
Post by: suppers ready on March 02, 2009, 12:00:42 AM
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First up, this all comes from an interview with Daniel Lanois who has seen "Preliminary drawings" of the stage setup. He said "I think there going 360 this time", "they are still set up favouring one end but there will be no pillars in the way"

So it's sounds like almost, but not quite "in the round", which would normally be dead centre in the middle of the arena/stadium.
Think of the indoor Vertigo tour which had an audience behind the stage in the higher levels only,now move the stage out toward the middle of the arena, this frees up the lower level behind the stage and also could mean a larger GA standing area as this could surround the stage.

Thats my take on it anyway.

I get the impression that the intimacy will come in part by using that technology they looked at before HTDAAB that put every attendee in the "sweet spot" for sound (or somethign like that).

Just a guess, but that'd also fit in with my guess that the tour name will be the In the Sound tour or (let me in the sound...whatever).

I do think in the round would be better in many ways....more great seats (pillars/speaker stacks, at stadium shows, don't really matter at most shows I've been too)