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Title: No new U2 album in June
Post by: StrongGirl on April 14, 2010, 08:09:51 AM
So it seems Paul Mc Guinness has told the new Rolling Stone that there will be no U2 album in June.  He is quoted as saying "However, by the end of the year is increasingly likely." 

Lots of tweeting going on about this. But all I have to say is....SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!  :D 
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 14, 2010, 08:19:36 AM
Then they'll say the same thing at the end of the year.  :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on April 14, 2010, 08:21:51 AM
 :(  :(  :( i was about to say 'at least now we don't have to live in false hope', but then i realised we now have a new release date that is probably gonna end up being wrong as well  :-\
Honestly, what do you guys think? Album by the end of the year? Even with McGuiness saying so?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: LoveSupreme on April 14, 2010, 08:24:07 AM
Yep, no surprise.
I'd rather they not rush it. 
*waits patiently*
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: whiteelephant on April 14, 2010, 08:24:57 AM
I don't think anything's even happening right now, because Larry Mullen Jr is producing a film in Toronto.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: eddyjedi on April 14, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
What film? I think we'll get an album before the years out
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: whiteelephant on April 14, 2010, 08:40:38 AM
I think it's called Really Me.  It's very low budget and Larry might be acting in it as well.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: eddyjedi on April 14, 2010, 08:43:22 AM
Oh dear....
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 14, 2010, 08:47:16 AM
Will he be throwing any punches? In the movie and gross wise?  :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: SBMitch on April 14, 2010, 09:56:36 AM
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I think it's called Really Me.  It's very low budget and Larry might be acting in it as well.

Isn't Larry also lending is voice to The Cleveland Show here in the States? Any word when those will air?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 14, 2010, 10:17:53 AM
Actually, I think even saying 'by the end of the year' is better than anyone expected by now. :p
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on April 14, 2010, 10:22:06 AM
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Actually, I think even saying 'by the end of the year' is better than anyone expected by now. :p

Yeah, but how honest is he being?
First it was 'by the end of 2009'.
Then "early 2010".
Then 'June 2010'.
Now 'by the end of 2010'.
I'm guessing we'll have a couple more false predictions for a release, then there will be some silence for a year or two before they announce an album with a definite release date, along with magazine interviews and 'leaked beach songs' etc  :(
its all happening like usual, i'm depressed  :(
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: hurricane hugo on April 14, 2010, 10:25:20 AM
an "end of 2010" release date would provide the perfect reason to tour throughout at least the first half of 2011.  :)

#@!
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 14, 2010, 10:40:59 AM
Paul McGuiness is STILL more reliable than any of the four lads.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: StrongGirl on April 14, 2010, 10:43:34 AM
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Actually, I think even saying 'by the end of the year' is better than anyone expected by now. :p

But I don't like how he words it....."increasingly likely"!!  :D :D  That could mean anything.  ;)
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: eddyjedi on April 14, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
I wonder what the chances are of them playing new material before release on the tour?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: DGordon1 on April 14, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
I never like these "new album in 6 months" type quotes; they're rather non-commital and leave the possibility open for further delays. Wouldn't be at all surprised if there are several more delays. If we get a new record in the next 12-18 months I'll be happy.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: LOGAN B on April 14, 2010, 01:02:18 PM
Why do they do this?!?!?  >:(
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: gnmmet on April 14, 2010, 01:33:33 PM
I've knew this would for a while, but refused to believe it.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: ElJayVee on April 14, 2010, 01:41:35 PM
 ::)

Here we go again!
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: lorijane on April 14, 2010, 02:40:45 PM
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Why do they do this?!?!?  >:(

Because they can.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: simba8 on April 14, 2010, 04:16:31 PM
"No new U2 album by June, band manager Paul McGuinness tells me in the new RS"

No sh**...really? who didnt see it coming...
Seems like we all knew but Paul and the band....

Im so tired of the constant we have the next album in the bag, and its the best rock album we have ever done blah blah...its coming out next month..blah blah...
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: thetak111 on April 14, 2010, 04:30:51 PM
I think they'll release it next year. It'll give them a reason to tour worldwide again and promote the new album as a proper album, rather than an interlude or a side project thing.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: johno11 on April 14, 2010, 04:40:12 PM
Nah I can't see them releasing an album by end of this year, isn't the Achtung Baby remaster coming out by end of year !!!!. End of 2011 would be more likely date I would think
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: InThisHeartland on April 14, 2010, 05:26:06 PM
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Nah I can't see them releasing an album by end of this year, isn't the Achtung Baby remaster coming out by end of year !!!!. End of 2011 would be more likely date I would think

Switching those two would make the most sense
new album now*, goes with tour
AB rereleased on 20th anniversary.

*i use the term "now" in a totally different way for U2 than everyday life.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 14, 2010, 07:14:23 PM
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Actually, I think even saying 'by the end of the year' is better than anyone expected by now. :p

But I don't like how he words it....."increasingly likely"!!  :D :D  That could mean anything.  ;)
it could but it probably means nothing :D
seriously they'll push it back further than the end of 2010. PROBABLY. they may feel like a christmas release will do the album good and release it then.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: m2 on April 14, 2010, 09:30:24 PM
It's all but certain that the tour will continue in 2011 with or without a new album. But sure, a new album would give them something new to play in Australia/NA/South America, etc.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: joshtree14 on April 14, 2010, 10:27:23 PM
but they come out with war in 83 and unforgettable fire in 84 and thats better material than the 4 years spent on this last disaster
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: LoveSupreme on April 14, 2010, 10:34:02 PM
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Why do they do this?!?!?  >:(

They like toying with our emotions.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 14, 2010, 10:47:24 PM
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It's all but certain that the tour will continue in 2011 with or without a new album. But sure, a new album would give them something new to play in Australia/NA/South America, etc.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 14, 2010, 11:01:07 PM
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but they come out with war in 83 and unforgettable fire in 84 and thats better material than the 4 years spent on this last disaster

Lol whut?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 15, 2010, 03:19:46 AM
Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 15, 2010, 03:53:39 AM
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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.

You bitter eh?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on April 15, 2010, 04:25:52 AM
Maybe it will be like the recording of Zooropa and they'll fly home after the European shows to finish it off.  We can still dream.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: DGordon1 on April 15, 2010, 04:41:02 AM
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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.

You bitter eh?

Honestly though, he's probably right.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 15, 2010, 04:48:15 AM
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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.

You bitter eh?

Honestly though, he's probably right.

You can think that but I'm still with my belief that U2 aren't money grabbing rockstars that many perceive them to be.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on April 15, 2010, 04:57:54 AM
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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.

You bitter eh?

Honestly though, he's probably right.

You can think that but I'm still with my belief that U2 aren't money grabbing rockstars that many perceive them to be.

Would they even be able to spend all of the money they've earned so far?  They aren't in this only for the $$$.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: DGordon1 on April 15, 2010, 04:59:29 AM
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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.

You bitter eh?

Honestly though, he's probably right.

You can think that but I'm still with my belief that U2 aren't money grabbing rockstars that many perceive them to be.

It's not that I see them as money grabbers; but I think something's wrong with their PR. There always seems to be a promise of a new album coming soon, and it doesn't work out that way. I love the band as much as anyone, but I think that they (inc McGuiness) need to learn to keep a lid on things until they've made a decision.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 15, 2010, 05:03:31 AM
It's hard for someone like Bono, who's undoubtedly excited about any sniff of new material that could possibly lead into another album, he just cannot contain his excitement and feels the need to tell the whole world about it. It's just his personality.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: LoveSupreme on April 15, 2010, 11:21:12 AM
This, this & This.
Not trying to sound witchy but I dont know why some fans dont understand this concept. 
All artists/bands are business enterprises/corporations today. Thats just how it is, whether we like it or not. If they sucked & couldnt sell records & tours the label would drop them like a bad habit. They need to make money to keep their career going (and keep making $$ for the label & everyone else involved). They do this so they can keep making music. Its alot of hard work. If they didnt love making music it'd be a big hassle & they'd have retired by now.

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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.
Honestly though, he's probably right.

You can think that but I'm still with my belief that U2 aren't money grabbing rockstars that many perceive them to be.

Would they even be able to spend all of the money they've earned so far?  They aren't in this only for the $$$.
 

Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: hbarakat on April 15, 2010, 01:31:51 PM
My take on it is that they wanted something in June so that they can have new material to play on the second leg because the NOTH material is not getting the reception that they were hoping for in concerts.   Without that it becomes a greatest hit tour.  But it seems that they couldn't pull it off and now hoping to have it done in time for a 3rd leg and Christmas season.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: THRILLHO on April 15, 2010, 03:04:32 PM
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Bono & Co. will probably just try and milk everything they can out of Spider-Man later this year and disappear again until 2012 or 2013 with a few compilations or remasters in-between. I know we love U2, but at the end of the day they are a corporate entity, I doubt they'll just release SOA out of the goodness of their hearts or devotion to the fans.

You bitter eh?

Honestly though, he's probably right.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: ~Ultra*U2*Love~ on April 15, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but is this all new material they're planning to release?  It seems quick, being that since the mid 90's they've released a new album only every 3-4 years apart.  I hope they don't rush it, I'd rather wait 3 more years for a rock solid amazing album then settle for something less and have it sooner.  Plus, don't we all have enough U2 material to keep us busy in the meantime?   :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: ayajedi on April 15, 2010, 07:36:36 PM
why am I not surprised? ::)
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 15, 2010, 07:49:54 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, but is this all new material they're planning to release?  It seems quick, being that since the mid 90's they've released a new album only every 3-4 years apart.  I hope they don't rush it, I'd rather wait 3 more years for a rock solid amazing album then settle for something less and have it sooner.  Plus, don't we all have enough U2 material to keep us busy in the meantime?   :D
but that's just the thing. many of us are of the opinion that an album made of material they  haven't sat on and tweaked for years might just be a little more exciting. think Zooropa. that was the idea-- to capture a period of inspiration, and make something out of it. whatever inpsired moments there are in the material U2 have at the moment will be changed and changed again-- leading to a tired sounding album. now I love nloth, very much, but imo it could have been better. the idea for it was a lot more daring than the product. I guess U2 planned to release the safe side of the fez sessions on nloth, have that sell well, then do something really extraordinary with a quick follow up.
that didn't work out.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Boom Cha! on April 15, 2010, 09:34:39 PM
No new album in June? Why am I not surprised?  :D

Now let's wait and see if we actually get a new album at the end of the year.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: thetak111 on April 15, 2010, 10:46:12 PM
Ahead of the 2010 tour dates, Paul McGuinness has been talking to Rolling Stone about the chances of a new record this year.

'There certainly won't be an album before June,' he says. 'However before the end of the year is increasingly likely. What would be really quite interesting would be if some of that material were to be released onstage and on record between now and the fall.'

And with just a few weeks before the first 2010 dates, Edge drops some clues about the show: 'I can't imagine that we would come back and continue with that exact same stage show. I think we'll naturally want to develop and adapt it.'

This is getting me excited about new material. Have U2 ever played a new song on stage in the last 20 years? that would be awesome.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on April 15, 2010, 10:54:28 PM
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Have U2 ever played a new song on stage in the last 20 years?

They played "We Love You" once on the Elevation Tour, but to go back a while, they played a few War songs before the album was released...they actually did this with October and TUF songs before the release of those albums as well.

U2 played The Saints are Coming and Window in the Skies on the final leg of Vertigo too
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 16, 2010, 07:14:45 AM
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Have U2 ever played a new song on stage in the last 20 years?

They played "We Love You" once on the Elevation Tour, but to go back a while, they played a few War songs before the album was released...they actually did this with October and TUF songs before the release of those albums as well.

U2 played The Saints are Coming and Window in the Skies on the final leg of Vertigo too
nice :). though i think the last legs of vertigo were AFTER the release of those two songs... ?
ahh well.
seriously, I doubt they'd road test a new song.
what they might do (pure speculation) is when they decide to release the album
they will announce at a certain show that a new song will be played,
drum up a TON of interest -- and release that song as the first single from the new album that night/very soon after that show. i think that might help give the single a bit of a boost.. maybe :D.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Dali on April 16, 2010, 12:19:42 PM
It should be abundantly clear that they have aborted work on "Songs Of Ascent" by now. That means if they would consider it a finished album, they could put it out almost right away with the online distribution channels available these days. And then, they could press up a bunch of CDs to release a month later or so. Yet, they still lack confidence in their material. Or maybe it's just the label that does. Well, too bad, because I would have bought the album - the CD version that is.

But as there is no new album, I don't.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 16, 2010, 05:46:53 PM
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It should be abundantly clear that they have aborted work on "Songs Of Ascent" by now. That means if they would consider it a finished album, they could put it out almost right away with the online distribution channels available these days. And then, they could press up a bunch of CDs to release a month later or so. Yet, they still lack confidence in their material. Or maybe it's just the label that does. Well, too bad, because I would have bought the album - the CD version that is.

But as there is no new album, I don't.
perhaps they've aborted work on SOA-- but it's "abundantly clear" that they are prepared to release new material soon. and they have plenty of it.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Bundang Dave on April 16, 2010, 06:38:57 PM
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It should be abundantly clear that they have aborted work on "Songs Of Ascent" by now.

Because the band are famous for putting out their albums quickly? If it's not out after a year, like all their other albums, then they have "clearly" abandoned it.  ;)

Only time will tell for sure.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: whitewave on April 16, 2010, 06:42:33 PM
I agree SG- the word "increasingly" bothers me.  Honestly, from a PR spin standpoint that word shouts out to me saying he really has no clue when this will be released- if ever.
Honestly, everyone in the band apears to be working on their own side projects, so I am pretty much thinking that  SOA is actually DOA.  :-(  You  know, they are at a point in their career that they can do this, so whatever.  When they feel like putting something out there they will.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on April 16, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
I'm starting to think that SOA is indeed finished and they're debating how much to tinker with it.  If they had something ready to go, why release it now?  4th quarter releases tend to sell better anyway.  They'll gradually work some new songs into the setlists and Australasia will hear more of the new stuff than anyone later this fall.  It'll be just like with Zooropa.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: ElJayVee on April 16, 2010, 08:39:42 PM
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Why do they do this?!?!?  >:(

They like toying with our emotions.

They're such teases!  :D :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Bundang Dave on April 16, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
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I'm starting to think that SOA is indeed finished and they're debating how much to tinker with it.  If they had something ready to go, why release it now?  4th quarter releases tend to sell better anyway.  They'll gradually work some new songs into the setlists and Australasia will hear more of the new stuff than anyone later this fall.  It'll be just like with Zooropa.

Yeah, it sounds like there'll be some kind of new material released with the Rosebowl DVD (Kingdom of Your Love, probably) to whet appetites for an October/November album release. Time will tell, though.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 16, 2010, 09:50:08 PM
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I'm starting to think that SOA is indeed finished and they're debating how much to tinker with it.  If they had something ready to go, why release it now?  4th quarter releases tend to sell better anyway.  They'll gradually work some new songs into the setlists and Australasia will hear more of the new stuff than anyone later this fall.  It'll be just like with Zooropa.
i think that's a huge factor in their decision. I speculate that the album is pretty much done, but they want room to breathe/tinker with a few things here and there and stronger sales than nloth-- a december release would give them that.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 16, 2010, 10:18:14 PM
But why release SOA so close to the Achtung remaster? It doesn't seem to click with their usual sales tactics, unless they've decided to try something new. They are probably weighing the sales pros and cons such as risk releasing SOA, which might only appeal to U2 fans, or stick with the Achtung remaster which might reach a wider audience.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on April 17, 2010, 06:23:36 AM
Only devoted fans buy those pricey remasters.  They easily could release both during the fall.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: shockdocta22 on April 17, 2010, 08:03:41 AM
My guess is that the not so great sales for NLOTH really hit them (i know about the market, but still they were not great)

I think they are going to be pushing for a Christmas/Holiday release because it guarantees more sales, a more extreme version of when they released Bomb.  I am guessing a late November, early December release
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: pfctsqr on April 17, 2010, 09:24:14 AM
If they do release an album before Christmas (and I dont think they will), I hope they decide not to call it Songs of Ascent. I'm not really liking that title too much.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: eddyjedi on April 17, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
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I'm starting to think that SOA is indeed finished and they're debating how much to tinker with it.  If they had something ready to go, why release it now?  4th quarter releases tend to sell better anyway.  They'll gradually work some new songs into the setlists and Australasia will hear more of the new stuff than anyone later this fall.  It'll be just like with Zooropa.

I agree. The end.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: hurricane hugo on April 17, 2010, 12:25:40 PM
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But why release SOA so close to the Achtung remaster? It doesn't seem to click with their usual sales tactics, unless they've decided to try something new. They are probably weighing the sales pros and cons such as risk releasing SOA, which might only appeal to U2 fans, or stick with the Achtung remaster which might reach a wider audience.

I must have missed something. Is an Achtung Baby remaster actually coming out this year?

#@!
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: edge89 on April 17, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
Declan Gaffney, who did additional production on several tracks and mixing on the last record have apparently been to a London studio "mixing tracks for U2" repeatedly for the last couple of months: http://twitter.com/artillerymix

So what is it?
The rumoured June single? An EP? The Fall 2010 album? Another Fish Out Of Water Remix - he's one of the guys in that duo so that's slightly possible since the Magnificent mix hasn't been released yet? ???
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on April 17, 2010, 03:28:14 PM
I'm hoping they still call the album Songs of Ascent and that it's a collection of meditative tracks on the theme of pilgrimage.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: InThisHeartland on April 17, 2010, 05:24:01 PM
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I'm hoping they still call the album Songs of Ascent and that it's a collection of meditative tracks on the theme of pilgrimage.

Psh. Its probably punkrock from venus by now!
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: m2 on April 17, 2010, 06:25:44 PM
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Declan Gaffney, who did additional production on several tracks and mixing on the last record have apparently been to a London studio "mixing tracks for U2" repeatedly for the last couple of months: http://twitter.com/artillerymix

So what is it?
The rumoured June single? An EP? The Fall 2010 album? Another Fish Out Of Water Remix - he's one of the guys in that duo so that's slightly possible since the Magnificent mix hasn't been released yet? ???

Nice find, edge89. Sent an email, will see if we hear anything. Unlikely, but you never know.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: bw on April 17, 2010, 08:12:04 PM
From a marketing standpoint, I would have the torn up the cookie-cutter U2 script, the October-November release pattern, and released a new album right at opening night of this new tour leg. I would set up tables at the concert and have the discs ready for purchase before U2 take the stage. Make a big announcement a night or two before the show that the album will be available at the concert. Then U2 should play half the album at the new shows.

Instead of waiting months for the music to get into the listeners' blood stream, this would be U2 serving new music at the height of its freshness.

And why not? After the debacle of NLOTH - and yes it was a debacle by U2 standards - U2 should really consider something different with their delivery model.

Since they aren't ready for this midyear release, I can only conclude that this so called "Songs of Ascent" material is far from finished and U2 have resumed their positions of endlessly banging their heads against the wall trying to pursue their requisite consensus.

Let me translate what Paul G really meant - "Yes, it would be great if we could get this damn thing finished by the end of 2010. We have read and heard what many of the fans have said. Unfortunately, yet again, the supply is not ready for the demand. So we will likely see you at the end of 2011, or maybe 2012...Until then, enjoy the next round of shows and continue to buy lots of tickets and merchandise. And if you know somebody who wants to buy a state of the art concert stage with all the trimmings, have them give me a ring..."
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 18, 2010, 03:35:17 PM
Their days of creative marketing are over because they have basically become full agents of the market itself. Right now Paul and Co.'s worry is "how can we rake in more cash?" We need to drop this fantasy that these guys are sitting around wondering what the fans actually want. Why else would Bono and Edge choose SPIDER-MAN for a musical instead of something new and spawned out of their own imaginations?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Tumbling Dice on April 18, 2010, 04:32:19 PM
Perhaps the boys need to free themselves from the constraints of a record deal with a major label and go it alone.  They are past masters at self publicity by now and so don't need the record company machine.  Then they can make the music they truly want to make right now without considering industry demographics and such.

Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: THRILLHO on April 18, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
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how many albums do they have left on their contract?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Tumbling Dice on April 18, 2010, 04:56:48 PM
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how many albums do they have left on their contract?

I don't know but I'm sure that record companies have some say in how an album is produced and it shouldn't be that way.  With management like Principle on their side why on earth do they need a long term deal with a major?  They have the clout to negotiate single album deals like Prince does and he's never been happier or made as much money in his life since breaking from Warners.  What's the betting they were behind the inclusion of I'll Go Crazy and SUC on NLOTH?

Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: THRILLHO on April 18, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
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Perhaps the boys need to free themselves from the constraints of a record deal with a major label and go it alone.  They are past masters at self publicity by now and so don't need the record company machine.  Then they can make the music they truly want to make right now without considering industry demographics and such.



how many albums do they have left on their contract?

I don't know but I'm sure that record companies have some say in how an album is produced and it shouldn't be that way.  With management like Principle on their side why on earth do they need a long term deal with a major?  They have the clout to negotiate single album deals like Prince does and he's never been happier or made as much money in his life since breaking from Warners.  What's the betting they were behind the inclusion of I'll Go Crazy and SUC on NLOTH?



see, i dont know how the record company/contract/management game is played, but the whole Pop being rushed thing seems fishy, i mean its friggin U2, and they're getting pushed around by the record co to release a new album ASAP?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Tumbling Dice on April 18, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
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Perhaps the boys need to free themselves from the constraints of a record deal with a major label and go it alone.  They are past masters at self publicity by now and so don't need the record company machine.  Then they can make the music they truly want to make right now without considering industry demographics and such.



how many albums do they have left on their contract?

I don't know but I'm sure that record companies have some say in how an album is produced and it shouldn't be that way.  With management like Principle on their side why on earth do they need a long term deal with a major?  They have the clout to negotiate single album deals like Prince does and he's never been happier or made as much money in his life since breaking from Warners.  What's the betting they were behind the inclusion of I'll Go Crazy and SUC on NLOTH?



see, i dont know how the record company/contract/management game is played, but the whole Pop being rushed thing seems fishy, i mean its friggin U2, and they're getting pushed around by the record co to release a new album ASAP?

I don't know either but I have visions of a Bobbi Flekman type person telling Bono "You, don't talk tawwk too much". :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: bw on April 18, 2010, 06:11:56 PM
Communard115 - I hope U2 are sitting around wandering what their fans want, actually.

The fans, to quote Bono, have given U2 "a great life..."

I really can't imagine U2 being that dismissive. Making music at this level is indeed a two way street - for the band's interests and for the fans. Finding the balancing point is the ultimate trick at this level...
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: gnmmet on April 18, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
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Perhaps the boys need to free themselves from the constraints of a record deal with a major label and go it alone.  They are past masters at self publicity by now and so don't need the record company machine.  Then they can make the music they truly want to make right now without considering industry demographics and such.



how many albums do they have left on their contract?

I don't know but I'm sure that record companies have some say in how an album is produced and it shouldn't be that way.  With management like Principle on their side why on earth do they need a long term deal with a major?  They have the clout to negotiate single album deals like Prince does and he's never been happier or made as much money in his life since breaking from Warners.  What's the betting they were behind the inclusion of I'll Go Crazy and SUC on NLOTH?



see, i dont know how the record company/contract/management game is played, but the whole Pop being rushed thing seems fishy, i mean its friggin U2, and they're getting pushed around by the record co to release a new album ASAP?

Pop was rushed because they had booked Popmart before the album was finished. It didn't have anything to do with the record company. U2 pretty much set their own release dates, thats why NLOTH was released so late and why HTAAB was released in 2004 instead of 2003.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 19, 2010, 12:40:41 AM
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Perhaps the boys need to free themselves from the constraints of a record deal with a major label and go it alone.  They are past masters at self publicity by now and so don't need the record company machine.  Then they can make the music they truly want to make right now without considering industry demographics and such.



how many albums do they have left on their contract?

I don't know but I'm sure that record companies have some say in how an album is produced and it shouldn't be that way.  With management like Principle on their side why on earth do they need a long term deal with a major?  They have the clout to negotiate single album deals like Prince does and he's never been happier or made as much money in his life since breaking from Warners.  What's the betting they were behind the inclusion of I'll Go Crazy and SUC on NLOTH?



see, i dont know how the record company/contract/management game is played, but the whole Pop being rushed thing seems fishy, i mean its friggin U2, and they're getting pushed around by the record co to release a new album ASAP?

Pop was rushed because they had booked Popmart before the album was finished. It didn't have anything to do with the record company. U2 pretty much set their own release dates, thats why NLOTH was released so late and why HTAAB was released in 2004 instead of 2003.
mhm.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 19, 2010, 03:28:01 AM
bw, yes we have given U2 a great life...because we've spent our cash on their albums. I happily purchase every new U2 album, but at the end of the day they are a corporate product and think in dollars and how to best make a profit.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: whiteelephant on April 19, 2010, 09:35:44 AM
Considering we didn't get singles for Breathe and Moment of Surrender, perhaps they're planning a second push for No Line (it worked for REM's Automatic for the People and Aerosmith's Get a Grip).  They seemed to give up rather quickly, compared to the numerous singles for Pop.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on April 20, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
This may have been mentioned already, but is it of any significance at all that this interview -particularly the bit about new stuff by the end of the year - is on the official u2 website? As in, its not just a rumour that we're looking into, its actually an 'official' statement (even if its just speculation)?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 21, 2010, 12:33:32 AM
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bw, yes we have given U2 a great life...because we've spent our cash on their albums. I happily purchase every new U2 album, but at the end of the day they are a corporate product and think in dollars and how to best make a profit.

Why should this matter to you if you're a fan?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: m2 on April 21, 2010, 01:05:43 AM
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This may have been mentioned already, but is it of any significance at all that this interview -particularly the bit about new stuff by the end of the year - is on the official u2 website? As in, its not just a rumour that we're looking into, its actually an 'official' statement (even if its just speculation)?

Paul McGuinness said it to Rolling Stone, as we reported on our home page.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: paddyattitude on April 21, 2010, 02:14:26 AM
i read many contradictions in those posts... how can some people state that they are a corporate product and think in dollars and how to best make a profit, and want U2 to listen to their fans??
the day U2 do what they fans want they will be dead and buried. i think once an artist starts doing stuff according to his audience, that is when an artist is really sold out, complete loss of integrity! and being sold out has nothing to do, in my humble opinion, with how much money you make or what means one use to sell or to get his music to be listened to.
I've been listening U2 from the end of the 80s. i've got all their albums, bootlegs, dvds and stuff... and the only reason why i loved them from the start, and still loving them today, is that U2 never did what i wanted or expected them to do. i may have sometimes reserves about what they are doing, but i always try to understand and accept what they are doing, whether it is new material or delays in releasing a new album. i'm not trying like some on here to rewrite the songs. that's another topic! but to those who think that U2 should have done this or that with a song or an album. if you were fans (maybe you are) of picasso or dali would you consider redrawing their paintings????
i'm sure they got pretty good reasons not to release an album early this. and please! bono, edge, larry and adam, never ever lister to your fans when it comes to artistic directions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 21, 2010, 03:04:59 AM
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i read many contradictions in those posts... how can some people state that they are a corporate product and think in dollars and how to best make a profit, and want U2 to listen to their fans??
the day U2 do what they fans want they will be dead and buried. i think once an artist starts doing stuff according to his audience, that is when an artist is really sold out, complete loss of integrity! and being sold out has nothing to do, in my humble opinion, with how much money you make or what means one use to sell or to get his music to be listened to.
I've been listening U2 from the end of the 80s. i've got all their albums, bootlegs, dvds and stuff... and the only reason why i loved them from the start, and still loving them today, is that U2 never did what i wanted or expected them to do. i may have sometimes reserves about what they are doing, but i always try to understand and accept what they are doing, whether it is new material or delays in releasing a new album. i'm not trying like some on here to rewrite the songs. that's another topic! but to those who think that U2 should have done this or that with a song or an album. if you were fans (maybe you are) of picasso or dali would you consider redrawing their paintings????
i'm sure they got pretty good reasons not to release an album early this. and please! bono, edge, larry and adam, never ever lister to your fans when it comes to artistic directions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's not a contradiction in any way. whoever stated that simply stated their opinion on the matter, then what they wantto happen.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: paddyattitude on April 21, 2010, 03:28:09 AM
oh yes it is a contradiction! if they make music according to what the fans want, then they will be really a corporate entity. that's how big coporation works, wheter it is a fizzy drink, a tv station, or music technologies... they're selling us that stuff because they think that it is what WE want as consumers. and to me U2 aren't working that way, not yet anyway.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 21, 2010, 03:37:10 AM
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oh yes it is a contradiction! if they make music according to what the fans want, then they will be really a corporate entity. that's how big coporation works, wheter it is a fizzy drink, a tv station, or music technologies... they're selling us that stuff because they think that it is what WE want as consumers. and to me U2 aren't working that way, not yet anyway.
right.. that's what you meant. well see, in the opinions of many here, U2 being corporate would be U2 making music to cater for the general public, not the fans, in order to get more more fans (more younger fans , specifically). another way some people veiw U2 being corporate is U2 trying to maximise the amount of money they get out of say, maybe, a DVD release, rather than the experience they provide to their loyal fans.

the band pursuing their own artistic direction wouldn't make them corporate, as you say, yes.
but the problem is the band is doing the opposite-- letting non fans, teens in general, dictate (to varying degrees) their artistic direction. why? because if they can appeal to them, they get more money than if they appeal to existing fans.
That's a corporate pursuit.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: paddyattitude on April 21, 2010, 03:53:15 AM
 U2 being corporate is U2 trying to maximise the amount of money they get out of say, maybe, a DVD release, rather than the experience they provide to their loyal fans.
but the problem is the band is doing the opposite-- letting non fans, teens in general, dictate (to varying degrees) their artistic direction. why? because if they can appeal to them, they get more money than if they appeal to existing fans.
That's a corporate pursuit.
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you really think they did that with the last album when there is barely a single on it???? not that the songs arent good enough to be singles, i think none, apart from Get on your Boots fit the single format. i really do not think they tried to maximise profit with the last album? i don't believe one second that U2 made no line on the horizon to cater for the general public, because it takes a good knowledge of U2 history to get into that album and understand it properly. i would not qualify No Line as an accessible album.
and about the dvd release, well, if a tour promotes an album, this last dvd release without a doubt is here to promote the tour, and i see nothing wrong with that. if U2 work as a corporation, they all are cause i don't know any other band that's not doing the same thing. the only difference is that u2 is alwyas in the spotlight, and are easy to target when it comes to criticize the business side of music. but most artist do release albums following up with a dvd or a live cd... they're all on the same boat to me
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 21, 2010, 04:04:05 AM
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U2 being corporate is U2 trying to maximise the amount of money they get out of say, maybe, a DVD release, rather than the experience they provide to their loyal fans.
but the problem is the band is doing the opposite-- letting non fans, teens in general, dictate (to varying degrees) their artistic direction. why? because if they can appeal to them, they get more money than if they appeal to existing fans.
That's a corporate pursuit.
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you really think they did that with the last album when there is barely a single on it???? not that the songs arent good enough to be singles, i think none, apart from Get on your Boots fit the single format. i really do not think they tried to maximise profit with the last album? i don't believe one second that U2 made no line on the horizon to cater for the general public, because it takes a good knowledge of U2 history to get into that album and understand it properly. i would not qualify No Line as an accessible album.
and about the dvd release, well, if a tour promotes an album, this last dvd release without a doubt is here to promote the tour, and i see nothing wrong with that. if U2 work as a corporation, they all are cause i don't know any other band that's not doing the same thing. the only difference is that u2 is alwyas in the spotlight, and are easy to target when it comes to criticize the business side of music. but most artist do release albums following up with a dvd or a live cd... they're all on the same boat to me

the argument of a lot of people i've seen while just scanning the boards here is that nloth wasn't as daring as it could have been. that the more meditative, more experimental and more challenging tracks were left off.
people often cite winter and kingdom of your love as songs that were left off in favour of more radio friendly alternatives-- most notably Crazy tonight and Stand Up Comedy.
Crazy tonight was co produced (to what extent I do not know) by will.i.am of the black eyed peas. this suggests U2 were targeting the younger market, getting a Pop legend to tinker with the track. the fact that Bono directly adresses "boys and girls" in this song, aside from being rather awkward sounding for a band known for it's grandeur, again suggests that the target demographic of this song is young teens-- a demographic which is dominated by Pop lovers.

The dvd aspect-- the fact that they're RELEASING the dvd-- that's catering to loyal fans, there's no problem anyone has with that. the fact that they're cutting off breathe? and one of the reasons for doing so is that U2 know that loyal long time fans will pay the extra dollars to get the deluxe edition which it's on? that's seen , (quite reasonably so) as a move which shows U2 cares more about their money than their fans.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: bw on April 21, 2010, 11:14:40 AM
Simple question - if U2 should not care about what their fan base thinks, which I find a irrational, then why tour? Why release music for purchase and consumption? Why pose for magazine covers? Why do entertainment shows like, say, Letterman? Why have a manager?

Sorry, U2 are big business and I feel pretty safe saying the entire band, McGuinness included obviously, recognize this. Their music is their product and they certainly go to the hilt marketing it for distribution.

It's a bit laughable to trump up charges of "sellout" when U2 are not U2 without their incredible, loyal customers...errr...fans...
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Tumbling Dice on April 21, 2010, 11:19:48 AM
I enjoy being a U2 customer. :)


Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: bw on April 21, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
Tumbling - you should. It's a great experience.  ;)
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 21, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
It's quite simple: They don't care much for what the fan base thinks because they know they could release a box of U2 Animal Crackers and the fans will go buy it, the same with the magazines, tours etc. That's just consumerism, pure and simple.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 22, 2010, 12:35:57 AM
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It's quite simple: They don't care much for what the fan base thinks because they know they could release a box of U2 Animal Crackers and the fans will go buy it, the same with the magazines, tours etc. That's just consuermism, pure and simple.

Yeah, sure they would.  ::)
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: halljoh2 on April 22, 2010, 04:41:51 AM
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It's quite simple: They don't care much for what the fan base thinks because they know they could release a box of U2 Animal Crackers and the fans will go buy it, the same with the magazines, tours etc. That's just consuermism, pure and simple.

Are you telling me that you wouldn't buy U2 animal crackers? 
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Aqua on April 22, 2010, 04:51:43 AM
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It's quite simple: They don't care much for what the fan base thinks because they know they could release a box of U2 Animal Crackers and the fans will go buy it, the same with the magazines, tours etc. That's just consuermism, pure and simple.

Are you telling me that you wouldn't buy U2 animal crackers? 
i think he's saying we all would :D
i know i would ;D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: InThisHeartland on April 22, 2010, 06:14:35 AM
Oh hell yeah U2 animal crackers!
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: dangerous and honest on April 22, 2010, 12:14:30 PM
Just read that the Super Deluxe box of Animal Crackers has been pulled.  :(

Oh well, still looking forward to the standard ones anyway.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: bw on April 22, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Communard115 - if true, why did the base - and it is a big, stout base - not gobble up NLOTH?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: eddyjedi on April 22, 2010, 04:18:39 PM
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Just read that the Super Deluxe box of Animal Crackers has been pulled.  :(

Oh well, still looking forward to the standard ones anyway.

 :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Terrasidius on April 22, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
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Perhaps the boys need to free themselves from the constraints of a record deal with a major label and go it alone.  They are past masters at self publicity by now and so don't need the record company machine.  Then they can make the music they truly want to make right now without considering industry demographics and such.



how many albums do they have left on their contract?

I don't know but I'm sure that record companies have some say in how an album is produced and it shouldn't be that way.  With management like Principle on their side why on earth do they need a long term deal with a major?  They have the clout to negotiate single album deals like Prince does and he's never been happier or made as much money in his life since breaking from Warners.  What's the betting they were behind the inclusion of I'll Go Crazy and SUC on NLOTH?



see, i dont know how the record company/contract/management game is played, but the whole Pop being rushed thing seems fishy, i mean its friggin U2, and they're getting pushed around by the record co to release a new album ASAP?

Pop was rushed because they had booked Popmart before the album was finished. It didn't have anything to do with the record company. U2 pretty much set their own release dates, thats why NLOTH was released so late and why HTAAB was released in 2004 instead of 2003.

It was Paul Mcguiness' idea to book the tour so early, partly because he thought the band were taking too long on the album and because he rekoned they were confident enough with the material. Its in an interview with the band, sited on the wikipedia page for POP.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 23, 2010, 02:14:12 AM
bw, what are you talking about? The U2 fan base did gobble up the album, the sales figures show that, the reason it wasn't selling at the level of HTDAAB is because none of the singles reached a wider audience. NLOTH simply couldn't compete in the current wasteland of pop music in terms of hit songs. Remember that the real, fanatical fan base is actually the minority in terms of worldwide populations etc.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: homing_pidgeon on April 23, 2010, 06:18:36 PM
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Remember that the real, fanatical fan base is actually the minority in terms of worldwide populations etc.

That's easy to forget on this forum.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Tumbling Dice on April 23, 2010, 06:27:31 PM
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Remember that the real, fanatical fan base is actually the minority in terms of worldwide populations etc.

That's easy to forget on this forum.

Who's being fanatical on this forum?   Report them to the moderators. :D

Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: bw on April 23, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
Communard115 - Sorry, I don't buy your position. If true - that the base actually turned out to buy NLOTH and thus that revenue stream was maximized - then U2's core base has contracted over the last eight years.

But I don't believe it. I think the U2 fan base by and large are smart, well-rounded, measured, and as big as ever. However, they aren't trained seals predisposed to buy everything branded U2. They are eager for new music and will gladly invest if the music is moving. After hearing the first few releases of NLOTH, and likely hearing most of the rest of the album on-line, I think much of the base simply balked and said we'll wait to see what the next album brings instead. "Boots" was viewed as a "Vertigo" redux and subsequent releases to that opener seemed disjointed. Simply put - if the product was better, sales would have been better.

Do you think "NLOTH" was of the same quailty as "ATYCLB" or "HTDAAB"?
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: Tumbling Dice on April 23, 2010, 06:44:23 PM
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Communard115 - Sorry, I don't buy your position. If true - that the base actually turned out to buy NLOTH and thus that revenue stream was maximized - then U2's core base has contracted over the last eight years.

But I don't believe it. I think the U2 fan base by and large are smart, well-rounded, measured, and as big as ever. However, they aren't trained seals predisposed to buy everything branded U2. They are eager for new music and will gladly invest if the music is moving. After hearing the first few releases of NLOTH, and likely hearing most of the rest of the album on-line, I think much of the base simply balked and said we'll wait to see what the next album brings instead. "Boots" was viewed as a "Vertigo" redux and subsequent releases to that opener seemed disjointed. Simply put - if the product was better, sales would have been better.

Do you think "NLOTH" was of the same quailty as "ATYCLB" or "HTDAAB"?

I'm predisposed to buy every U2 album release, even Passengers.  Does that make me a 'trained seal'? :D

I would say that NLOTH exceeded ATYCLB and HTDAAB in quality and yet sales were considerably lower, which challenges your assumption.

Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: StrongGirl on April 23, 2010, 11:13:06 PM
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Remember that the real, fanatical fan base is actually the minority in terms of worldwide populations etc.

That's easy to forget on this forum.

Who's being fanatical on this forum?   Report them to the moderators. :D



Wakes up....hey did somebody call me  :D!  This place is so fanatical, even this mod is a fanatic  ;) ;D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: singnomore on April 24, 2010, 01:09:19 AM
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Communard115 - Sorry, I don't buy your position. If true - that the base actually turned out to buy NLOTH and thus that revenue stream was maximized - then U2's core base has contracted over the last eight years.

But I don't believe it. I think the U2 fan base by and large are smart, well-rounded, measured, and as big as ever. However, they aren't trained seals predisposed to buy everything branded U2. They are eager for new music and will gladly invest if the music is moving. After hearing the first few releases of NLOTH, and likely hearing most of the rest of the album on-line, I think much of the base simply balked and said we'll wait to see what the next album brings instead. "Boots" was viewed as a "Vertigo" redux and subsequent releases to that opener seemed disjointed. Simply put - if the product was better, sales would have been better.

Do you think "NLOTH" was of the same quailty as "ATYCLB" or "HTDAAB"?

I'm predisposed to buy every U2 album release, even Passengers.  Does that make me a 'trained seal'? :D

I would say that NLOTH exceeded ATYCLB and HTDAAB in quality and yet sales were considerably lower, which challenges your assumption.



I'm a fellow trained seal  **makes seal noises**   :D
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: TheFlyLives on April 24, 2010, 03:41:49 AM
bw, some of your descriptions clearly show the difference between the casual listener and a hardcore fan. The hardcore fan will automatically go buy the new U2 album, no questions asked, as I did and am sure many here did because he/she will always find something familiar or likeable in the release, that's why they are hardcore fans, they listen to U2's work and playing down to the core of their souls. The casual listener, which is the majority of the population, will indeed listen to something like "Boots" and decide to not get the album or maybe just find the one or two songs they seem to be attracted to and buy them off iTunes. I have no way of knowing by how the "core base" contracted or expanded within the last eight years, I'm sure Paul McGuinness has polling data or some sort of chart system tucked away in his office, who knows, I'm just going by generally known attitudes and common sense.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: DGordon1 on April 24, 2010, 03:06:17 PM
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Do you think "NLOTH" was of the same quailty as "ATYCLB" or "HTDAAB"?

Why are you asking that question like it's rhetorical? :P I think NLOTH is definately better than its two predecessors, it's too simplistic to equate sales to quality. Throughout history there's been loads of albums that are underrated (and overrated) by the general public. One main thing NLOTH had against it is that Boots flopped - probably because it sounded like Vertigo part 2 on release, plus it had strange lyrics that don't make sense outwith the context of the album. The first single is everything these days. Bomb sold loads of copies; without Vertigo it would probably have been about half of what it was.
Title: Re: No new U2 album in June
Post by: HEY!youtwo! on April 25, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
the reason boots failed was because the verses are catchier than the chorus. A song doesn't have to be catchy to be great, but if it is, the chorus had better not syphon all of the momentum of the song away. Anyway, I think that this discussion os brought up on every thread, so I will stop adding to it  :)