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Title: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 12:28:16 PM

To try and establish exactly what kind of tour 360 has become, it's worth looking at the opening song as it stands. U2 have now ditched Breathe as an opener and have instead gone for a half finished intro (stingray) that segues into Beautiful Day - a single that was released nearly 10 years ago.

Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

So, is it a greatest hits set? No, given that the 75% of singles that make up the set list of 360 weren't always hits.

Is it a set that is coming to terms with the fact that NLOTH is pretty unpopular? Yes

In summary then, we can conclude that it's a 'U2 - The singles tour'. Given that U2 have ALWAYS been populist, what's left when you realise your most recent LP is poor and you can't even be bothered to play a song from it as your first tune?
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Tumbling Dice on September 05, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

U2 often opened the Lovetown shows with non R&H songs and they were a touring jukebox then by Larry's own admission.

They were also amazing shows, so I believe.



Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 12:38:15 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

U2 often opened the Lovetown shows with non R&H songs and they were a touring jukebox then by Larry's own admission.

They were also amazing shows, so I believe.





Lovetown was an extention of the Joshua Tree tour. They opened with a selection of songs from R and H and the Joshua Tree. Mostly Streets, Bullet and Hawkmoon 269. All were songs from their latest LP's.

So... Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Tumbling Dice on September 05, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

U2 often opened the Lovetown shows with non R&H songs and they were a touring jukebox then by Larry's own admission.

They were also amazing shows, so I believe.





Lovetown was an extention of the Joshua Tree tour.


That's one view of it, but technically it was a seperate tour divided by 2 years of being off the road and the release of a brand new album containing brand new songs.  The set-lists were also significantly different from each other.  You asked a question, you got the answer.



Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 12:53:20 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

U2 often opened the Lovetown shows with non R&H songs and they were a touring jukebox then by Larry's own admission.

They were also amazing shows, so I believe.





Lovetown was an extention of the Joshua Tree tour.


That's one view of it, but technically it was a seperate tour divided by 2 years of being off the road and the release of a brand new album containing brand new songs.  The set-lists were also significantly different from each other.  You asked a question, you got the answer.





We are talking about the first song of each gig - as thematically, R and H and the JT were very similar, they were stylistically cut from the same cloth. Which prompted bono's famous 'time to go away and dream it all up...' exclamation. R and H was ACTUALLY a combination of rather poor covers (star spangled banner), LIVE cuts from the JT Tour and fillers (ie b sides that never made it onto a single (eg Heartland)). It was pretty much an extension of the JT and accompanying tour.

I asked the QUESTION - and your answer was WRONG.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Tumbling Dice on September 05, 2010, 01:04:40 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

U2 often opened the Lovetown shows with non R&H songs and they were a touring jukebox then by Larry's own admission.

They were also amazing shows, so I believe.





Lovetown was an extention of the Joshua Tree tour.


That's one view of it, but technically it was a seperate tour divided by 2 years of being off the road and the release of a brand new album containing brand new songs.  The set-lists were also significantly different from each other.  You asked a question, you got the answer.





We are talking about the first song of each gig - as thematically, R and H and the JT were very similar, they were stylistically cut from the same cloth. Which prompted bono's famous 'time to go away and dream it all up...' exclamation. R and H was ACTUALLY a combination of rather poor covers (star spangled banner), LIVE cuts from the JT Tour and fillers (ie b sides that never made it onto a single (eg Heartland)). It was pretty much an extension of the JT and accompanying tour.

I asked the QUESTION - and your answer was WRONG.

I think I was RIGHT in stating that Lovetown was a seperate tour from the JT tour.  I think you're WRONG in stating that the studio songs on R&H were mere 'fillers'.





Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 01:05:25 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album. Is there another tour historically where U2 have not started with a song from their new LP? Not since I have been seeing them live since 1987.

U2 often opened the Lovetown shows with non R&H songs and they were a touring jukebox then by Larry's own admission.

They were also amazing shows, so I believe.





Lovetown was an extention of the Joshua Tree tour.


That's one view of it, but technically it was a seperate tour divided by 2 years of being off the road and the release of a brand new album containing brand new songs.  The set-lists were also significantly different from each other.  You asked a question, you got the answer.





We are talking about the first song of each gig - as thematically, R and H and the JT were very similar, they were stylistically cut from the same cloth. Which prompted bono's famous 'time to go away and dream it all up...' exclamation. R and H was ACTUALLY a combination of rather poor covers (star spangled banner), LIVE cuts from the JT Tour and fillers (ie b sides that never made it onto a single (eg Heartland)). It was pretty much an extension of the JT and accompanying tour.

I asked the QUESTION - and your answer was WRONG.

I think I was RIGHT in stating that Lovetown was a seperate tour from the JT tour.  I think you're WRONG in stating that the studio songs on R&H were mere 'fillers'.







No one is DENYING it was a separate TOUR. However, let's say your contention is right (which it isn't). Hawkmoon 269 is from the R and H LP and was played many times as the FIRST song on the Love Town tour. Streets and Bullet were the only other songs that were played as first songs - these were taken from the JT - the SISTER LP to R and H.

But I'm sure you're right - about MOST things.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: gnmmet on September 05, 2010, 01:20:25 PM
There are already five topics related to what you're saying here, may be its a better idea to post in one of those instead of creating a 5th thread about the same thing.

http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13341.75.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13341.75.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13286.150.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13286.150.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13384.30.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13384.30.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13173.0.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13173.0.html)
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: kevc on September 05, 2010, 01:30:43 PM
does zoo tv the outside broadcast tour count, given that Zooropa had just been released? and they kicked it off with Zoo Station :-)

And i'm claiming the joshua tree tour as most of thed with come on everybody :-)

Nice debate though on JT v RAH - my thought were that the two albums were significantly different.

Anyways at least on this tour they aren't playing a song twice i.e Vertigo 2005
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 01:41:11 PM
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There are already five topics related to what you're saying here, may be its a better idea to post in one of those instead of creating a 5th thread about the same thing.

http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13341.75.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13341.75.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13286.150.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13286.150.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13384.30.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13384.30.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13173.0.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13173.0.html)
. Do you fancy yourself as a moderator?
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
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does zoo tv the outside broadcast tour count, given that Zooropa had just been released? and they kicked it off with Zoo Station :-)

And i'm claiming the joshua tree tour as most of thed with come on everybody :-)

Nice debate though on JT v RAH - my thought were that the two albums were significantly different.

Anyways at least on this tour they aren't playing a song twice i.e Vertigo 2005
. Interesting point. I would say Zooropa was the sister LP to Achtung Baby in the same way that R and H was the sister LP to the JT... why DID they play Vertigo twice!?
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Miami66 on September 05, 2010, 02:00:15 PM
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Anyways at least on this tour they aren't playing a song twice i.e Vertigo 2005

Well the reason they did that was to appease the oldest of their fans and take them back to the time when they would play IWF and The Electric Co. twice in a set.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Tumbling Dice on September 05, 2010, 02:00:59 PM
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Anyways at least on this tour they aren't playing a song twice i.e Vertigo 2005

Well the reason they did that was to appease the oldest of their fans and take them back to the time when they would play IWF and The Electric Co. twice in a set.

 ;D


Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on September 05, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
Also doesn't explain it. It's been demonstrated before that 360 has no more singles than any other tour ever and less than some.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Miami66 on September 05, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
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Aside from only playing 4 songs from NLOTH now, they don't even START the gig with a song from their new album

Lovetown was an extention of the Joshua Tree tour.


That's one view of it, but technically it was a seperate tour divided by 2 years of being off the road and the release of a brand new album containing brand new songs.    You asked a question, you got the answer.



It was pretty much an extension of the JT and accompanying tour.

I asked the QUESTION - and your answer was WRONG.

No one is DENYING it was a separate TOUR.

I've taken the liberty and highlighted some key points in this conversation.
Oh and your right Prom they aren't opening with a track from NLOTH they are opening with a completely new and unreleased track ;D
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 02:14:59 PM
Stingray is an INTRO to the main event ie BD. And if it WASN'T, it isn't a song from NLOTH. Something everyone here would agree with...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on September 05, 2010, 02:19:29 PM
It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Miami66 on September 05, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
prom I love your avi :P
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 02:34:38 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on September 05, 2010, 02:50:54 PM
And I can tell you that it's simply not even close to a similar experience.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: JasontheJedi on September 05, 2010, 02:51:25 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: eddyjedi on September 05, 2010, 02:57:41 PM
Paris 4th July 1987, U2 started their set with C'Mon Everybody. Streets wasn't even played. Who cares if U2 are playing Beautiful Day second, it's one of their best ever songs, they can do whatever they like. The band are not with No Line anymore, they are evolving and going in a new direction, hence the new songs and a fresh take on the setlist, a new album is on the way and they are altering the sets with accordance.

Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 03:02:01 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
. Of course not. But you can judge if a song is any good by watching it on the INTERNET...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: eddyjedi on September 05, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
. Of course not. But you can judge if a song is any good by watching it on the INTERNET...

to an extent, but we could say streets is ok on record, live however....
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on September 05, 2010, 03:33:52 PM
But you certainly can't judge how effective a live opener it is on the internet.

And yes, as has been noted, Joshua Tree tour concerts frequently opened with 'Stand By Me'. If you really want to make the argument that U2 had no confidence in JOSHUA TREE and that showed it was a bad album, be my guest but I wouldn't recommend it...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: JTBaby on September 05, 2010, 03:47:59 PM
The later legs of the htdaab tour they were down to 3 or 4 new songs also.

This isn't a new thing.

On the Pop tour the only show I saw live had 10 new songs (of course pop was a stronger album than NLOTH, and miles ahead of htdaab). Byt he last show they were down to about 6.

Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 03:49:02 PM
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But you certainly can't judge how effective a live opener it is on the internet.

And yes, as has been noted, Joshua Tree tour concerts frequently opened with 'Stand By Me'. If you really want to make the argument that U2 had no confidence in JOSHUA TREE and that showed it was a bad album, be my guest but I wouldn't recommend it...
stand by me was a segue to the main event, Streets. I watched them do it at Wembley. To all intents and purposes, Streets was the first song.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: gnmmet on September 05, 2010, 03:50:24 PM
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There are already five topics related to what you're saying here, may be its a better idea to post in one of those instead of creating a 5th thread about the same thing.

http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13341.75.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13341.75.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13286.150.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13286.150.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13384.30.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13384.30.html)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13173.0.html (http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,13173.0.html)
. Do you fancy yourself as a moderator?

That depends, do I have to be a moderator to be a little annoyed seeing a ton of threads saying the exact same thing?
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 05, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
Well gnmmet, lots of people have replied to this thread so I would say you're in the minority...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Exile on September 05, 2010, 05:10:14 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.

How many of you think Bono's voice was shot in Sarajevo in '97? Were you there? How many think Bono climbed a scaffold on the War Tour? Were you there? How many of you think JFK got shot in '63? Were you there?
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: eddyjedi on September 05, 2010, 05:30:16 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.

How many of you think Bono's voice was shot in Sarajevo in '97? Were you there? How many think Bono climbed a scaffold on the War Tour? Were you there? How many of you think JFK got shot in '63? Were you there?

I saw 2 guys on the grassy knoll, 1 in the book dipository and 2 by the picket fence. ''Back and to the left''
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Tumbling Dice on September 05, 2010, 05:36:29 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.

How many of you think Bono's voice was shot in Sarajevo in '97? Were you there? How many think Bono climbed a scaffold on the War Tour? Were you there? How many of you think JFK got shot in '63? Were you there?

I saw 2 guys on the grassy knoll, 1 in the book dipository and 2 by the picket fence. ''Back and to the left''

Was Lee Harvey Oswald the face you saw in the book depository?

Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: eddyjedi on September 05, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.

How many of you think Bono's voice was shot in Sarajevo in '97? Were you there? How many think Bono climbed a scaffold on the War Tour? Were you there? How many of you think JFK got shot in '63? Were you there?

I saw 2 guys on the grassy knoll, 1 in the book dipository and 2 by the picket fence. ''Back and to the left''

Was Lee Harvey Oswald the face you saw in the book depository?



I don't know I didn't have time to get my binoculars out. He looked more like Lieutenant Gordon from Batman Begins, without the moustache....
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: Tumbling Dice on September 05, 2010, 05:39:38 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.

How many of you think Bono's voice was shot in Sarajevo in '97? Were you there? How many think Bono climbed a scaffold on the War Tour? Were you there? How many of you think JFK got shot in '63? Were you there?

I saw 2 guys on the grassy knoll, 1 in the book dipository and 2 by the picket fence. ''Back and to the left''

Was Lee Harvey Oswald the face you saw in the book depository?



I don't know I didn't have time to get my binoculars out. He looked more like Lieutenant Gordon from Batman Begins, without the moustache....

Oh I see, you were joking. :P  Very funny. >:(


Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on September 05, 2010, 06:24:25 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.

How many of you think Bono's voice was shot in Sarajevo in '97? Were you there? How many think Bono climbed a scaffold on the War Tour? Were you there? How many of you think JFK got shot in '63? Were you there?

But this is judging how a song works as a live piece when you have not seen it as a live piece. It's more like asking if people saw JFK get shot before conducting an investigation into the psychological state of witnesses to the JFK shooting.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on September 05, 2010, 11:32:19 PM
A new thread, the same subject.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 06, 2010, 01:40:39 AM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
.  Of course I don't. But you CAN tell if you LIKE a song from LISTENING to it on YouTube...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: fardreamer on September 06, 2010, 02:46:57 AM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
.  Of course I don't. But you CAN tell if you LIKE a song from LISTENING to it on YouTube...

I disagree.  Tinny, distorted bootleged audio doesn't do justice to live music.  I can't even stand to listen to most U2 songs on youtube, because the quality is so crummy.

Fact is you want to bash them, so you find a reason too.
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: The Promenade on September 06, 2010, 07:26:00 AM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
.  Of course I don't. But you CAN tell if you LIKE a song from LISTENING to it on YouTube...

I disagree.  Tinny, distorted bootleged audio doesn't do justice to live music.  I can't even stand to listen to most U2 songs on youtube, because the quality is so crummy.

Fact is you want to bash them, so you find a reason too.

I'm not saying it can do justice to a song - I'm saying you can get a reasonable idea as to wether you LIKE a song or not from youtube...

In terms of me bashing them you are wrong. I don't like their new material - I'm not bashing them for the sake of it. I'm saying I don't like it and why I don't like it. If they had just performed The Fly live on this tour I would have said wow, what a great new tune. But they haven't so I'm not...
Title: Re: What 360 has become...
Post by: DGordon1 on September 06, 2010, 12:42:04 PM
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It amuses me how 99.99% of people who say "Stingray is not really an opener!" have not actually seen it live.
Have you heard of the INTERNET? You can hear U2's groundbreaking new song on YouTube...

Do you honestly believe there is no difference in watching a video online vs experiencing it live?
. Of course not. But you can judge if a song is any good by watching it on the INTERNET...

Not necessarily. Some people choose to hate everything U2 does. Because they feel like it.