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Title: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on February 03, 2009, 10:42:23 PM
We've all been enjoying the Great Reviews so far! The best in my opinion being: http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=98602
Now...Here's the worst posted in TIMEOUT Sydney (Here's link but I posted below): http://www.timeoutsydney.com.au/music/albumreviews/u2--no-line-on-the-horizon-track-by-track.aspx

Obviously we prefer the good reviews! But, it's good to keep an open mind and see what the H8TERS are saying. SO WE KNOW JUST WHO TO THROW A PAIR OF SHOES AT..umm, besides G.W.B.  >:(  Again the link is above if you want to give this vile creature a piece of your mind!

U2's new album reviewed

U2 return with a new album. Sadly, it's Brian Eno's.
Island/Universal


By Andrew P Street


Disclaimer: This review is based on a single listen at the Universal Music offices rather than a week or so living with the album and being able to explore its nuances.

First impression is this: bully to U2 for trying. Here is a band that could plonk out any old bunch of songs secure in the knowledge that it would sell like sexy, sexy hot cakes regardless of quality. But no: after the longest break in their career, they've tried to incorporate some new sounds and textures into No Line on the Horizon, including Middle Eastern percussion and loads of squiggly keyboard sounds.

That said, they've also brought in their three most frequent producers – Steve Lillywhite, Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno – so any envelope-pushing is being done in very circumscribed areas. Eno is all over the album: damn near every song begins with some of his burbling mono synth action, which usually has a barely tangential connection with the song that follows. And for all that's new, there's no way that you'll mistake it for another band. The Edge has evidently found the bag of effects pedals he used circa The Unforgettable Fire and everything's covered in sustain and delay. Bono's still howling wordlessly away in most of the choruses. Larry Mullen, Jr pumps out his searingly competent drum work and Adam Clayton... well, he plays bass. As much as he usually does, anyway.

(Note for musical types: in fact, with everyone apparently so worried about the dangers of irresponsible drinking at the moment, why not use this opportunity to play the Adam Clayton Root Note Drinking Game? It's simple: take a shot every time that Adam plays anything that's more than two frets from the root note of the chord. You could play it with vodka filtered through absinthe and still be sober enough to pilot a commercial airliner.)

First impressions aside, let's get on with the tracks:

1. 'No Line on the Horizon'
A Bo Diddley beat heralds the beginning of Brian Eno's new album, featuring U2. In fact, the cluttered production and layers of keys sound not dissimilar to what Eno did with James circa Whiplash. And then they staple some ethnic percussion to the thing for no good reason.
(Clayton Root Note Drinking Game: No drink)

2. 'Magnificent'
Kind interpretation: this harkens back to Zooropa, especially in the electro introduction. Less-kind version: hey, it's REM's 'Orange Crush', as rewritten by short-lived 90s synth darlings Republica! It's here that Bono's lyrics come to the fore and you realise that he's followed Bruce Springsteen into the late-period creative cul-de-sac where he's incapable of speaking in anything other than clichés and meaningless waffle. "Only love can leave such a mark," he declares, leaving the listener to answer the question, "what the bloody hell is he on about?" for themselves.
(CRNDG: No drink)

3. 'Moment of Surrender'
After the Vangelis-via-Eno synth intro, Bono delivers a husky, passionate vocal for the album's first ballad, including what an early contender for Dumbest Line of 2009: "Playing with the fire, 'til the fire plays with you." The Edge pulls out a rudimentary slide guitar solo and then there's an oh-ah-oh wordless singalong that should be a hit at the half dozen shows where they try this one out before never playing it again.
(CRNDG: No drink)

4. 'Unknown Caller'
Eno has a good old fiddle until The Edge remembers what he did for 'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For' – which will make a sweet segue during the tour. There's some genuinely great tasteful fingerpicking here, but it's about this point you'll start thinking "Hold on, aren't U2 best known for their stick-in-your-head choruses? What happened? And how did the last song go?"
(CRNDG: Don't be fooled: that's some down-tuned Edge guitar you're hearing for the first third of the song, not bass. No drink for you)

5. 'I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight'
There are two ways that a song with this title should go. The first and most obvious is a Bon Jovi/Poison good time blues-rock party anthem, with a kick-ass guitar solo (preferably heralded with Jon Bon Jovi/Sebastian Bach screeching "Guitar!") and maybe some sweet harmonica in the coda. The other, less obvious but equally suitable way would be as a Bryan Adams/Aerosmith power ballad, which would also have a kick-ass guitar solo but would be less about partying and more about how crazy the love of a woman can drive a man, which would be a thinly-veiled sex metaphor. "I'm not perfect baby, as anyone can see," Adams/Steven Tyler would sing just before the chorus, "And though you drive me crazy, I'm still as crazy as a man can be." See? The song writes itself. The third option, which is the one that U2 went for, is to do an unmemorable mid-paced song with lyrics like "She's a rainbow, she loves the peaceful life" and a guitar riff lifted from Altered Images' 'I Could Be Happy'. My versions are so, so much better.
(CRNDG: No drink)
     
6. 'Get on Your Boots'
The first single, and oh, Escape Club – how wonderful you must be feeling at this moment! Ever since 'Wild, Wild West' vanished from the charts in 1988 you've been waiting for a sign that you were something more than just another one hit wonder, so hearing U2 re-write the song must warm the cockles of your heart. And Elvis Costello must be smiling too, humming 'Pump It Up' under his breath as he dials his lawyers and wonders what sort of settlement to demand.
(CRNDG: It's a repeated riff bassline, so take a few much-needed shots)

7. 'Stand Up Comedy'
Sorry, Red Hot Chili Peppers: just in case you were thinking of recording a version of The Stone Roses' career-ending 'Love Spreads', be advised that U2 have beaten you to the punch. Bono says something about the Twin Towers and falling down and standing up, and then drops the line "Cross the road like a little old lady". You'd think that a band of U2's status could extend a deadline so that their lead singer could write some lyrics, surely?
(CRNDG: Sure, take a drink. Who cares?)

8. 'FEZ - Being Born'
Starts off like incidental music from the last Prince of Persia video game, then snaps into a prog rock section while Bono sings about fire. Dammit, we should have started a drinking game based on references to fire. Too late now, I suppose.
(CRNDG: No drink)

9. 'White as Snow'
The absolute highlight without any doubt: a superb country lament. Bono makes a decent fist of it with Edge's down-tuned guitar the perfect accompaniment, but it would have been utterly perfect for the late Johnny Cash to wrap his weathered voice around (and would be one hell of a companion piece to the Cash/U2 collaboration 'The Wanderer'). Bono's nature references – seeds, earth, snow, fruit – make perfect sense in this context. See, Bono, you can do it when you try.
(CRNDG: No drink)

10. 'Breathe'
Frantically bowed strings hit harmonics over Mullen, Jr's thundering tom toms, before the rest of the band burst in at cross-rhythms and Bono starts up a scansion-free declamatory vocal like a third-rate Bob Dylan. Still, once it locks in the chorus it all makes sense. Either the album's picking up towards the end or I'm undergoing some sort of musical Stockholm Syndrome in which I fall in love with my captors as a coping mechanism. That said, Edge does pull out a three-note guitar solo that suggests he's never even seen a guitar before, and it's nice of Tears For Fears to let U2 use their keyboard sounds.
(CRNDG: Yeah, Edge and Adam lock on a riff. Have a quick one)

11. 'Cedars of Lebanon'
Yep, they close on a ballad – and it's about world suffering. "Squeeze a complicated life into a simple headline," Bono sighs, and we all agree. "Yes, Bono," we weep, as one. "Oh media, when will you learn?" Then we go to a different perspective, that of a displaced person in a warzone. "A soldier brings oranges," Bono sings, "he got out of a tank." And with that clanging line the magic is dispelled, like the unexpected slam of a toilet door. It's a nice idea, and the tune's a good one, but honestly: some sort of lyric editor would have been wise.
(CRNDG: There's a breakdown where Edge and Adam play a riff with slightly dodgy intonation. Have a deep, last drink)

You've read what we think. Now tell us what you think.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 03, 2009, 10:49:31 PM
Ouch. there is always one Hero.

(Note for musical types: in fact, with everyone apparently so worried about the dangers of irresponsible drinking at the moment, why not use this opportunity to play the Adam Clayton Root Note Drinking Game? It's simple: take a shot every time that Adam plays anything that's more than two frets from the root note of the chord. You could play it with vodka filtered through absinthe and still be sober enough to pilot a commercial airliner.)


Poor Adam.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: streetmission on February 03, 2009, 10:56:33 PM
Well, you can't please everyone.  He gave it two stars, but honestly the review itself wasn't that scathing.  I get the impression he just wants to appear witty, which explains the "drinking game" bit.  I also get the impression that he was expecting something completely out of left field and was disappointed that it "still sounds like U2"; that seems to be the basis of his argument that it wasn't that great of an album.  "It's a U2 album that sounds like U2; I was expecting a U2 album that doesn't sound like U2, therefore I am disappointed and this is a disappointing album."  That makes no sense to me. ???
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: CiscoJP on February 03, 2009, 11:02:11 PM
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Well, you can't please everyone.  He gave it two stars, but honestly the review itself wasn't that scathing.  I get the impression he just wants to appear witty, which explains the "drinking game" bit.  I also get the impression that he was expecting something completely out of left field and was disappointed that it "still sounds like U2"; that seems to be the basis of his argument that it wasn't that great of an album.  "It's a U2 album that sounds like U2; I was expecting a U2 album that doesn't sound like U2, therefore I am disappointed and this is a disappointing album."  That makes no sense to me. ???

I almost wrote the same exact thing, Streetmission. A lot of this review seems to be attempts at being witty or clever at the band's expense, and not an actual review. It also seems as though he has some issues with Eno. And it's odd, like he put that disclaimer in there to be able to defend himself in the future if everyone thinks the album is great when it's released. Then he can always go back and say "I told you it was only based on one listen. I didn't get to the nuances." Yeah right. Amazing how every other reveiwer so far has barely been able to jot down many notes at all, except for intiial impressions, yet this guy knows every guitar part that's tuned down, or every lyric, or when it's Edge and not Adam playing? Come on.

Not a scathing review at all, but it seems as if this guy is trying too hard to be funny (and not really succeeding), and not really tackling the actual music.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Revolver7 on February 03, 2009, 11:40:31 PM
f**k him!  ;)
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: streetmission on February 03, 2009, 11:41:00 PM
Two telling quotes from this "review".

"U2 return with a new album. Sadly, it's Brian Eno's."  As you pointed out CiscoJP, he clearly doesn't like Brian Eno, who is the main producer for the album.  So he's not going to like the album after one listen no matter how good it may be.

"Disclaimer: This review is based on a single listen at the Universal Music offices rather than a week or so living with the album and being able to explore its nuances."  It sounds like to me that he's planning on getting a copy of the album and giving it a week of listens when it comes out.  Sounds like what I did with Achtung Baby when it came out; I probably would've given it 2 stars after one listen but now after "living with it for a week" (so to speak) I think it's fantastic.  So, no matter how much he disliked it after one listen, he plans on giving it several more spins.  Sounds like a good U2 album to me.

Oh, like you said CiscoJP, he's able to pick out Adam's playing in each song from an album that even he admits has a lot of nuances and complexities.  Yeah, right.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on February 03, 2009, 11:54:03 PM
He probably hates U2.  ::)
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: hurricane hugo on February 04, 2009, 12:30:23 AM
Hey, Andy - Lester Bangs has commandeered my ouija board. He says he wants his reviewing style back.

#@!
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 04, 2009, 01:55:35 AM
some people think Bono's lyrics are a bit of a mish mash..

a mole, digging up a hole, digging up my soul...

See what I mean!
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: jick on February 04, 2009, 05:41:00 AM
This seems to be a very fair assessment of the album.  There seems to be way too many sounds on it that U2 can never play live as a four piece band.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Lesmo on February 04, 2009, 06:04:04 AM
The disclaimer says it all. One listen is not enough.

And I'd rather have the bad reviews. It helps me hearing things I may not hear or to strengthen my position.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: CiscoJP on February 04, 2009, 06:41:46 AM
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This seems to be a very fair assessment of the album.  There seems to be way too many sounds on it that U2 can never play live as a four piece band.

Cheers,

J


There's lots of songs they already have that have lots of sounds that they can't produce as a 4-piece. They use backing tracks. The intro to "Streets." The beginning drums on "With or Without You." The second (slide) guitar in "Gone." Or, they just do without. No violins being played for the live version of "Sunday Bloody Sunday." No xylophone in "I Will Follow." I'm not all that worried. As for it being a fair assessment of the album, even he admits that this review is based on only one listen. Which really isn't all that fair...
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: DGordon1 on February 04, 2009, 06:50:57 AM
Sounds like a real smart-assed reviewer. He doesn't really pick out huge deficiencies in the album, he just shows that he's not a fan of Bono's lyricism ... or Brian Eno. The fact that nobody else seems to have this attitude is encouraging.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 07:19:14 AM
First off, according to some people here, reviewers are "experts" (ROFLMAO big-time at that one) so obviously it MUST be bad.

Still, as most intelligent people seem to agree, one listen can't possibly be enough to pass judgement, good OR bad.

How anyone can say it's a "fair assessment" of the album without having heard it for themselves is just ludicrous, another big 'ol ROFLMAO at that little gem.

So, we have a bunch of good reviews, one bad. So what ?

We'll all have our own 2c soon enough. Based on the reviews and th elittle I know of the reviewers, it'll be a good one.

Oh, and if you want to play the Adam RNDG and get drunk, listen to Pop.



Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: U2#1-War on February 04, 2009, 07:27:10 AM
The publisher was spot on with what he said about HTDATB, saying it was basically ATYCLB but a little harder and more personal. So even tho hope and pray he is wrong, there is some credibility here.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on February 04, 2009, 07:30:08 AM
Yeah, I think this reviewer is a smug jerk-off.  :(  And, not because he has a different or negative opinion. that is fine if it's sincere. but i really don't believe he took his own review seriously. Hence, the disclaimer...and the drinking game. The disclaimer is a way out in case he has to eat his words later. But, for now he wants to side with the h8ters, just for the sake of taking a different stance. It's like "look at me -I'm such a rebel giving the powerful U2 a 2 star review! See, I'm not kissing their bums!" Yeah, okay. To give a U2 album 2 stars is ridiculous. I bet he'd give even Britney Spears a 3 star review...also ridiculous.

And Adam is a pretty good bass player. Better than many Rock bassists. I believe he's gotten way better over the years..and his improvement specifically (for me) started with Achtung Baby. He also incorporates various bass techniques, phrasing, and tones from other genres in his playing. And, he gets a good groove going on with some catchy bass lines and the interplay between him and Larry is pretty tight and yet they've some nice dynamics going on. Also, it seems that Edge & Adam might be 'locking in' on some grooves on NLOTH and exploring this communication further. He sounds pretty loose. I also think he's developed a style that is somewhat recognizable amongst other Rock bass players. If you played back a few bass solos or grooves, I think I could probably pick out his sound or get close. That in itself is an achievement for a Bass player. Especially in Rock where bass players unfortunately get overlooked quite often. Matter of fact developing your own style or voice is an achievement for any musician/artist. Way to go Adam!  8)
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 08:22:48 AM
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This seems to be a very fair assessment of the album.  There seems to be way too many sounds on it that U2 can never play live as a four piece band.

Cheers,

J


There's lots of songs they already have that have lots of sounds that they can't produce as a 4-piece. They use backing tracks. The intro to "Streets." The beginning drums on "With or Without You." The second (slide) guitar in "Gone." Or, they just do without. No violins being played for the live version of "Sunday Bloody Sunday." No xylophone in "I Will Follow." I'm not all that worried. As for it being a fair assessment of the album, even he admits that this review is based on only one listen. Which really isn't all that fair...

Or the numerous tapes during Beautiful Day
Or the 3rd (Acoustic) guitar backing on ABOY, or even the second guitar
Or the taped drums on WOWY intro

U2 has been heavily memorex since 1984, if we can't get past that......

Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 08:24:32 AM
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The publisher was spot on with what he said about HTDATB, saying it was basically ATYCLB but a little harder and more personal. So even tho hope and pray he is wrong, there is some credibility here.

A bit pretentious, but doesn't seem too bitter

http://www.myspace.com/andrewpstreet


Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: uplate6674 on February 04, 2009, 08:41:18 AM
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Ouch. there is always one Hero.

(Note for musical types: in fact, with everyone apparently so worried about the dangers of irresponsible drinking at the moment, why not use this opportunity to play the Adam Clayton Root Note Drinking Game? It's simple: take a shot every time that Adam plays anything that's more than two frets from the root note of the chord. You could play it with vodka filtered through absinthe and still be sober enough to pilot a commercial airliner.)


Poor Adam.

I actually snorted when I read that. The "You could play it with vodka..." sentence is a pretty good line.

It's not so much a review as it is a humor piece. Take it with a grain of salt and go on your merry way.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Lesmo on February 04, 2009, 08:45:20 AM
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This seems to be a very fair assessment of the album.  There seems to be way too many sounds on it that U2 can never play live as a four piece band.

Cheers,

J


There's lots of songs they already have that have lots of sounds that they can't produce as a 4-piece. They use backing tracks. The intro to "Streets." The beginning drums on "With or Without You." The second (slide) guitar in "Gone." Or, they just do without. No violins being played for the live version of "Sunday Bloody Sunday." No xylophone in "I Will Follow." I'm not all that worried. As for it being a fair assessment of the album, even he admits that this review is based on only one listen. Which really isn't all that fair...

Or the numerous tapes during Beautiful Day
Or the 3rd (Acoustic) guitar backing on ABOY, or even the second guitar
Or the taped drums on WOWY intro

U2 has been heavily memorex since 1984, if we can't get past that......



ABOY? WOWY??
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 08:51:13 AM
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This seems to be a very fair assessment of the album.  There seems to be way too many sounds on it that U2 can never play live as a four piece band.

Cheers,

J


There's lots of songs they already have that have lots of sounds that they can't produce as a 4-piece. They use backing tracks. The intro to "Streets." The beginning drums on "With or Without You." The second (slide) guitar in "Gone." Or, they just do without. No violins being played for the live version of "Sunday Bloody Sunday." No xylophone in "I Will Follow." I'm not all that worried. As for it being a fair assessment of the album, even he admits that this review is based on only one listen. Which really isn't all that fair...

Or the numerous tapes during Beautiful Day
Or the 3rd (Acoustic) guitar backing on ABOY, or even the second guitar
Or the taped drums on WOWY intro

U2 has been heavily memorex since 1984, if we can't get past that......



ABOY? WOWY??

Yes, there's 3 guitar parts on ABOY, it's especially clear on the Brooklyn Bridge recording.

I was VERY close to Larry on one of the Vertigo shows where they played WOWY, and part of the intro is taped. Always has been.

Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: evel12314 on February 04, 2009, 08:52:16 AM
Somehow, I don't hate this guy after reading the review. It wasn't really bad, like some said, it seems like he was just trying to be witty. But if he doesn't like Brian Eno's producing, Adam Clayton's bass playing, or Bono's lyrics, what is he doing listening to U2?  ???
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: jick on February 04, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
I stand corrected and will admit my error.

U2 does use technology and non-hand played parts for their music, even live.

However, the centerpiece is still the four members of the band in all of their great songs.  Their more forgettable tracks made the band disappear and had technology be their boss.

I think even if this album uses technology, the question will still be whether or not the bottom line is still the four band members.

I have to give props to the reviewer though.  It wasn't just blind shooting from the hip.  The reviewer knew the topic very well and the statements were well founded.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
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I have to give props to the reviewer though.  It wasn't just blind shooting from the hip.  The reviewer knew the topic very well and the statements were well founded.



How do you know if you haven't heard the album ?

How can we trust ANY of the reviews if the reviewers are only given one chance to listen to it ?

Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bads316 on February 04, 2009, 11:26:03 AM
Bottom line is that its a review from someone who doesn't like U2 so who cares, its like sending Martha Stewart to review The Exorcist, at least it made someone happy! Oh wow the core of the band is the four members thanks so much for pointing that out to us, i really had no idea, any other clichés you wanna throw our way? im starving for more insight.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 11:31:29 AM
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Bottom line is that its a review from someone who doesn't like U2 so who cares, its like sending Martha Stewart to review The Exorcist, at least it made someone happy! Oh wow the core of the band is the four members thanks so much for pointing that out to us, i really had no idea, any other clichés you wanna throw our way? im starving for more insight.

What I found insightful was that it was news to him that "non-hand" played parts were played live. I mean, aside from the obvious smart-ass comment like "it's hard to play bass drum with your hands", for someone who is a long time fan who'd like to educate the newbies it shouldn't be news that taped parts have been around for over 20 years in their live performances.

Started on the 84 tour with Bad and Unforgettable fire and they have been there on every tour since. Hell, for the Lovetown tour they even had an extra drummer hiding off to the side for Desire !

Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bads316 on February 04, 2009, 11:37:28 AM
Gets right up my nose
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: CiscoJP on February 04, 2009, 12:09:29 PM
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I stand corrected and will admit my error.

U2 does use technology and non-hand played parts for their music, even live.

However, the centerpiece is still the four members of the band in all of their great songs.  Their more forgettable tracks made the band disappear and had technology be their boss.

I think even if this album uses technology, the question will still be whether or not the bottom line is still the four band members.

I have to give props to the reviewer though.  It wasn't just blind shooting from the hip.  The reviewer knew the topic very well and the statements were well founded.

Cheers,

J


Every album uses technology, and not just U2. It's hard to find any group these days that douesn't double-tracked vocals, have a rhythm and lead guitar going at the same time (in a 4 piece), keyboards when there is no keyboard player, etc. Then you have effects like reverb, delay, distortion, flange, drum loops, etc. The point is that U2 consistently brings the songs to the stage. If they don't work out live, they drop them. Look at some songs that many thought would never be able to be performed live, like "Lemon," "Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car," "The Unforgettable Fire," and others. They all came off great live.

And as Junior Emblem said, how can you "give props" to the reviewer for knowing the topic when he only heard the album once? None of the reviewers so far really know what they are talking about; it can only be first impressions in a vague way. The fact that every other review is quite simple and vague is very telling. This guy delves into details that he can't really have noticed all that much in one listen. As uplate6674 said, it's more of a humor piece than a serious review.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Evil Bono on February 04, 2009, 12:34:21 PM
This guy seemed to be drinking while doing his review.  It seems he was more focused on being a smarta$$ than giving a review. 
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 04, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
I think the two major points are:-

It is a full on Brian Eno album in the same way TUF was.

There are lots of sound in the music.

Some people will like it and some people wont.

Lyric wise Bono keeps to his normal themes.


The reviewer is only trying to be interesting by talking about drink.

However his backhanded “barb” about the difference between the The Edge’s guitar and Adam’s guitar is ridiculous. Surely this is the most glorious aspect of U2 music. Attacking something everybody knows and likes is pure ego-driven nonsense. The rest of the review is open to interpretation. He certainly likes the back end of the album, even though it is clear that he went into the review with a negative attitude to start with.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: evel12314 on February 04, 2009, 04:29:22 PM
And also, his descriptions of the songs still make them sound good.  :P
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Post by: Anthony02 on February 04, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
Let this thread go! Its ONE man's opinion. The only review that matters to me? MINE!  :)
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: B on February 04, 2009, 08:41:47 PM
Are we sure this wasn't from Pitchfork? someone has probably asked this already ...

some of it is quite humorous and it made me wonder if it wasn't Henry Rollins punching the keys.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: JuniorEmblem on February 04, 2009, 08:53:22 PM
Well, if it was humorous Henry Rollins played no part in it.

Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: CiscoJP on February 04, 2009, 09:07:45 PM
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Well, if it was humorous Henry Rollins played no part in it.


I second that...
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 04, 2009, 09:08:01 PM
It was some Bogan from Bondi
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Post by: mofo_spacejunk on February 04, 2009, 09:21:16 PM
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This seems to be a very fair assessment of the album.  There seems to be way too many sounds on it that U2 can never play live as a four piece band.

Cheers,

J


J, you really are a pessimist. As noted in other posts, U2 always have 'many sounds' on all their albums. Even JT - the Classic Album series on JT shows how Edge plays two guitar tracks on WTSHNN. The song isn't half as good with just the one track (WOWY the same).

When U2 play live, they use backing tracks for a lot of their sounds.

As for Andrew P Street; he is from my where I used to live. I know him (he used to be a musco himself,  but wasn't that good). If you check out his myspace page you'll see an extensive list of his fav bands. U2 aren't on it, so I am not surprised with this review. (Plus he has always been a bit of a smart ar$e too).

I got more positives than negatives from reading it. That said - I'm selfish. I don't care what others think of the album, only what I think. And I'll find out at month's end.
Title: Re: A First (Hopefully Last!) Scathing Review Of NLOTH
Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 04, 2009, 09:34:12 PM
Like I said, some Bogan from Bondi.
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Post by: andyt on February 05, 2009, 03:38:02 AM

Well, he's heard it and we haven't.

He doesn't like it much - who cares.

They're just a band who make music and millions of pounds out of appearing to be profound. I'd put money on this - It's probably the usual U2 story. Sometimes great but mostly average music backed up by a MASSIVE marketing campaign.

Now then, get your cash out...

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Post by: TraKianLite/Zooropa on February 05, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
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5. 'I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight'
There are two ways that a song with this title should go. The first and most obvious is a Bon Jovi/Poison good time blues-rock party anthem, with a kick-ass guitar solo (preferably heralded with Jon Bon Jovi

Apparently if you give a song a title, it should go in a certain direction. If "Get On Your Boots" had been exactly the same, but titled "You Don't Know", it would've been a classic. Obviously.

Also, note my italicisation, and let the in-jokes begin...
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Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 05, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
Lucky they didn't name a song - My obsessive Perversion!
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Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on February 05, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
Maybe they shoulda named it "Beautiful Boots" or "You look beautiful In Them Boots"!  :-[ Bono sure tries hard to fit the word Beautiful in every song these days!  :D
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Post by: Bono in Bonolands on February 05, 2009, 05:59:18 PM
He does go on with a refrain about

"You don't know how beautiful you are?"

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Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on February 05, 2009, 06:36:39 PM
yeah..He could write a song about...getting your period and he'd still manage to get 'beautiful' in there somehow  :-\