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Title: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 22, 2011, 07:20:26 PM
Hi everyone.

an online petition has been put together to see if the weight of fan opinion can do anything about getting U2.com run a bit better.

go here to have a look and please sign if you support it.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/u2fanclubpetition

all thanks to go to Melicans Maltkin and gnmet who crafted the impressive text
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Joe90usa on February 22, 2011, 07:36:27 PM
Stickied for ease of location.

 ;D
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 22, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
can someone do me a favour and start a thread for this on some of the other u2 forums (interference, u2.com itself etc). i've never posted on those ones.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: jenniferh aka jen on February 22, 2011, 10:50:48 PM
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can someone do me a favour and start a thread for this on some of the other u2 forums (interference, u2.com itself etc). i've never posted on those ones.

I posted a link to this thread on Interference.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: tihach on February 23, 2011, 01:56:15 AM
I will post it on Croatian U2 forums ;)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: linasd on February 23, 2011, 02:45:14 AM
I'll post it on the swedish one.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: streetmission on February 23, 2011, 06:17:05 AM
I posted a link to this thread on the U2.com free message boards in the "All About U2" section.  I don't have a paid membership, so if someone could post a link in the paid membership message boards that would be great! :)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: gibbo1968 on February 23, 2011, 04:49:54 PM
I've just posted it on the U2.com subscribers side in the 'all because of U2' section.

Fingers xx'd this gets some momentum as the place has become a bit of a running joke now. ???
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: InThisHeartland on February 23, 2011, 05:36:46 PM
signed, #97
i hope this gets bigger
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: jenniferh aka jen on February 23, 2011, 08:01:33 PM

Gibbo, your link is still there, they haven't banned you yet or deleted your thread!! ;D
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Terrasidius on February 24, 2011, 11:27:25 AM
Signed and tweeted.  ;)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: gnmmet on February 24, 2011, 04:55:27 PM
Can we link to this on the front page?
Title: Petition against u2.com
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 24, 2011, 05:48:01 PM
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/u2fanclubpetition

Ok everyone, here's the petition to show u2.com that we fans are unsatisfied with how we are being treated. Everyones signature is appreciated, and helps to further the cause!  :)
Thanks to soapit for making the petition, to Melicans Maltkin and gnmmet for making the first and final drafts of the letter respectively, and everyone else for helping create the ideas in the first place. Fantastic group effort everyone, let's keep up the good work!
I'd appreciate everyone helping to spread the word of this petition throughout the internet, more specifically to all the u2 fan-sites. I'll cover interference, and attempt u2.coms forum itself, but the rest are open.
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: Starman on February 24, 2011, 06:21:47 PM
Woo!
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: The Exile on February 24, 2011, 06:45:50 PM
I'm proud to have contributed signature # 147!
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: Miami66 on February 24, 2011, 07:12:07 PM
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php?topic=15513.msg933113#new


its already stickied ;)
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 24, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
Oh no, now i feel foolish  :-\
Oh well, the more threads on it, the merrier  ;)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 24, 2011, 07:21:21 PM
Made a post on interference, seems to be going down well  :)
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: Miami66 on February 24, 2011, 07:30:22 PM
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Oh no, now i feel foolish  :-\
Oh well, the more threads on it, the merrier  ;)


no worries just tryin to help :D :D
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: KezInNZ on February 24, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
Done.  Thanks for taking up the cause
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 24, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
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Oh no, now i feel foolish  :-\
Oh well, the more threads on it, the merrier  ;)


no worries just tryin to help :D :D

Oh i know  :) I'm glad you pointed it out, that sticky thread is much better! I'm glad the cause is taking up momentum!
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: Miami66 on February 24, 2011, 07:39:15 PM
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Oh no, now i feel foolish  :-\
Oh well, the more threads on it, the merrier  ;)


no worries just tryin to help :D :D

Oh i know  :) I'm glad you pointed it out, that sticky thread is much better! I'm glad the cause is taking up momentum!

I posted in a couple of threads over at U2wanderer.org, even though hardly anyone posts there. I've signed it as well. 8)
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 24, 2011, 07:45:56 PM
Good job dude, i think that means most major fan sites have been covered now, and pretty surprisingly, the posts over on u2.com haven't been deleted!  :D
I guess now we just play the waiting game - wait for a large collection of signatures, and then send the petition to the higher ups in charge of u2.com and live nation.
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: Miami66 on February 24, 2011, 07:48:32 PM
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Good job dude, i think that means most major fan sites have been covered now, and pretty surprisingly, the posts over on u2.com haven't been deleted!  :D
I guess now we just play the waiting game - wait for a large collection of signatures, and then send the petition to the higher ups in charge of u2.com and live nation.

i tried to get U2start but their site is down  :( but I'll try again tomorrow. Besides interference those are the only u2 forums I'm on.

Maybe I'll put a link to it on my website.
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 24, 2011, 07:49:28 PM
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Good job dude, i think that means most major fan sites have been covered now, and pretty surprisingly, the posts over on u2.com haven't been deleted!  :D
I guess now we just play the waiting game - wait for a large collection of signatures, and then send the petition to the higher ups in charge of u2.com and live nation.

i tried to get U2start but their site is down  :( but I'll try again tomorrow. Besides interference those are the only u2 forums I'm on.

Maybe I'll put a link to it on my website.

Sounds good man, every little helps  :)
Title: Re: Petition against u2.com
Post by: soapit on February 24, 2011, 09:29:46 PM
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I'm proud to have contributed signature # 147!

now we can find out your real name (if we want to)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Manos73 on February 25, 2011, 09:08:42 AM
Is it possible we need more traditional press in order to get signatures? 
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on February 25, 2011, 09:48:02 AM
Ok I posted this over at U2Start.com so I think all the major sites are covered.???

ATU2 (obviously)
Interference
U2Wanderer
U2Start
U2.com

those are the ones that I regularly visit.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 25, 2011, 02:45:05 PM
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Is it possible we need more traditional press in order to get signatures? 

feel free to publicise however you want, for me i kinda think the majority of people that would be members of u2.com would also be a member of one of the u2 forums though.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 25, 2011, 02:54:46 PM
oh and maybe if those people who started threads on other forums post on those threads every  week or couple of days or so just to keep the threads visible for a short time so its not missed by anyone.

i know some forums have rules about bumping threads so obviously comply with the individual forums rules. if you actually say something rather than just straight out bumping that's usually a good start.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on February 25, 2011, 06:59:46 PM
ok guys I've got some bad news, U2 Start is shredding the thread. Nobody there makes any sense, they said they won't sign the petition but they aren't paying for it anymore??? I guess the end results is the same but whatever.. I think the U2 mafia has moved from Interference to U2Start ::)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 25, 2011, 07:18:08 PM
no worries, if people don't agree with it then i they shouldn't sign it. if any changes eventuate as a result i'm sure they'll enjoy them regardless.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: whitewave on February 25, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
I am sure it will have some impact, but speaking simply via not renewing does also. ;)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 25, 2011, 07:32:12 PM
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I am sure it will have some impact, but speaking simply via not renewing does also. ;)

don't get me wrong, i'm not going to renew, but its like when you have an argument with someone, you can just be cranky and try and make them guess whats wrong or you can clearly and calmly say whats wrong and how it can be fixed. for me this usually gets a better, quicker result for everyone.

but yeah obviously everyone can do what they themselves feel is the best, most appropriate course for them.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: whitewave on February 25, 2011, 07:39:32 PM
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I am sure it will have some impact, but speaking simply via not renewing does also. ;)

don't get me wrong, i'm not going to renew, but its like when you have an argument with someone, you can just be cranky and try and make them guess whats wrong or you can clearly and calmly say whats wrong and how it can be fixed. for me this usually gets a better, quicker result for everyone.

but yeah obviously everyone can do what they themselves feel is the best, most appropriate course for them.
oh- don't get me wrong.. I signed the petition..  just saying' "money makes the world go round"
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: gnmmet on February 25, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
I don't know what exactly they are smoking over there, but it's got to be some pretty strong stuff.  But if people don't agree with it, they shouldn't sign it.

But what might help is if we could put a link to this on the atu2 homepage.  More people go there than visit the forum.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 25, 2011, 09:08:15 PM
I'm quite surprised at how aggressively the u2start people shot down the idea. If they don't agree with it, that's one thing, but to say it's "pathetic" and to "get a grip" makes me think they're either cranky about the idea that they've wasted money, or they haven't thoroughly read through our argument.
What frustrated me was that at the same time as acknowledging that u2.com sucks, they seem to be content to make snide comments about how tired of petitions they are...
I was surprised that some people were even saying that it's something we don't have a right to complain about, or that u2.com will eventually 'catch up'... i have a feeling they just didn't take the argument seriously, regardless of whether they agreed with it or not.

Interference had relatively more support, and people who stated they wouldn't sign at least gave adequate answers as to why. U2start just seemed bizarre...  ???
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 25, 2011, 09:13:22 PM
The argument "If you're not happy, don't pay" annoys me too... are we not within our rights to want better service for our money? And do they not realise that many of us already feel cheated out of our money?
Being promised an exclusive CD for $50 and being given something available on itunes is just dishonest.
Ah well, i'm ranting now...
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: Miami66 on February 26, 2011, 09:44:55 AM
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The argument "If you're not happy, don't pay" annoys me too... are we not within our rights to want better service for our money? And do they not realise that many of us already feel cheated out of our money?
Being promised an exclusive CD for $50 and being given something available on itunes is just dishonest.
Ah well, i'm ranting now...

I agree course they are severely blinded if they think that U2start forum is the best of them all ::) ::) This one is definitely the best.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 26, 2011, 10:00:29 AM
Definitely  ;D
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on February 26, 2011, 10:03:54 AM
its taking all of my will power not to go back on there and cuss them all out about how backwardsass their frame of mind is.  >:(
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 26, 2011, 10:08:54 AM
You know, half of me thinks it might be a good idea if you try and reason with them... explain how we just want a better service, how we've already been cheated, how cool it would be to have concert bootlegs...
But considering how adamant they were about just being rude, i think it might be a lost cause... what do you think?
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: Miami66 on February 26, 2011, 10:30:23 AM
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You know, half of me thinks it might be a good idea if you try and reason with them... explain how we just want a better service, how we've already been cheated, how cool it would be to have concert bootlegs...
But considering how adamant they were about just being rude, i think it might be a lost cause... what do you think?


I agree re: lost cause plus they'll just say "we've got all the boots we want right here" ::)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on February 27, 2011, 09:19:44 AM
bob plays the drums is a traitor
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: -bobplaysthedrums- on February 28, 2011, 03:38:26 AM
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bob plays the drums is a traitor


 
Miami66 - If you haven't looked at U2Start one last time.

 You say that I am a traitor. I still love @U2, I honestly think it's a great website because of all of the news articles, either written by you guys or from a newspaper or magazine around the world. I was just shocked that you and a few others wrote those things about what people said on U2Start. Just because the U2Start community don't want to sign your petition, it doesn't mean that you all can act like that about it.

This is no U2Start vs @U2 fight. They are both wonderful websites for different reasons.

Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on February 28, 2011, 05:03:38 AM
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Miami66 - If you haven't looked at U2Start one last time.

 You say that I am a traitor. I still love @U2, I honestly think it's a great website because of all of the news articles, either written by you guys or from a newspaper or magazine around the world. I was just shocked that you and a few others wrote those things about what people said on U2Start. Just because the U2Start community don't want to sign your petition, it doesn't mean that you all can act like that about it.

This is no U2Start vs @U2 fight. They are both wonderful websites for different reasons.



just as not all the u2start people weren't against signing the petition, not all the people over here consider you a traitor for not signing.

 i do think it a little odd that people arent interested in at least trying to see if we can get the official online club for the band to be something that we are all stoked about (as opposed to the current situation) considering it takes much less effort to sign it then the multiple posts people are making about not wanting to do it.

anyway i do encourage you to take the 10 seconds to sign as you never know you might end up getting some cool benefits out of it but its up to you champ
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 28, 2011, 08:36:03 AM
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Miami66 - If you haven't looked at U2Start one last time.

 You say that I am a traitor. I still love @U2, I honestly think it's a great website because of all of the news articles, either written by you guys or from a newspaper or magazine around the world. I was just shocked that you and a few others wrote those things about what people said on U2Start. Just because the U2Start community don't want to sign your petition, it doesn't mean that you all can act like that about it.

This is no U2Start vs @U2 fight. They are both wonderful websites for different reasons.



just as not all the u2start people weren't against signing the petition, not all the people over here consider you a traitor for not signing.

 i do think it a little odd that people arent interested in at least trying to see if we can get the official online club for the band to be something that we are all stoked about (as opposed to the current situation) considering it takes much less effort to sign it then the multiple posts people are making about not wanting to do it.

anyway i do encourage you to take the 10 seconds to sign as you never know you might end up getting some cool benefits out of it but its up to you champ

Couldn't have put it better myself.

bobplaysthedrums, i completely agree with you that both U2start and @u2 are great, no reason for us to fight.
However, firstly, it's unfair to say that the posters on u2start just didn't want to sign the petition, and that we acted 'like that' about it - the posts responding to miami66's thread labeled the idea pathetic, said supporters of the petition should get a grip, and were just generally apathetic about the idea of pushing for change. We were just surprised that u2 fans would so aggressively shoot down the idea for a better fan service.
Also, i noticed you responded to my post... on u2 start. If you would like to talk to me, you should do it in this thread, i'm far more likely to reply  :D

Ok, so to respond to your response:
You say that the petition is pointless, that there's no point in doing it. Well, no one could possibly know that for sure. But it would be an incredibly sad world if no one spoke up when they wanted something changed... and just because you don't see the point in a petition, doesn't mean everyone feels that way, or that they never work.
You then say "if you're not happy, don't pay" is an adequate response. Firstly, we're not aiming to just quit membership, we're aiming to change u2.com for the better. It would be something that all u2 fans could benefit from. Secondly, we actually did consider the idea of a boycott whereby members would quit, but we decided it was unfair on those who had recently signed up, and that a petition would better voice our concerns without people losing out.
You then go on to say "if you felt "cheated out of your money" than that's your own damn fault!" Well, i'm not sure how to respond to that. It's not our fault that we were promised exclusive content, and effectively lied to. That's not our fault at all. Going back to the "don't pay" argument, many of us have already paid, so it's too late for that. We want improvements, we think we're owed them.
If you disagree, that's absolutely fair enough, but our comments here about u2start were reflective not of people disagreeing with us, but of the aggressive attitude people showed towards us and our idea.
Overall, i don't understand why it's such a big problem to protest the running of u2.com. It's not hurting anyone, and the benefits would please a hell of a lot of fans.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on February 28, 2011, 08:37:01 AM
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Miami66 - If you haven't looked at U2Start one last time.

 You say that I am a traitor. I still love @U2, I honestly think it's a great website because of all of the news articles, either written by you guys or from a newspaper or magazine around the world. I was just shocked that you and a few others wrote those things about what people said on U2Start. Just because the U2Start community don't want to sign your petition, it doesn't mean that you all can act like that about it.

This is no U2Start vs @U2 fight. They are both wonderful websites for different reasons.

Wow so much for joking ::)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 28, 2011, 08:41:44 AM
I'm fairly certain U2start is a lost cause now... they pretty much hate us over there  ;D
Actually, quite a few people did say they signed, so despite all the disharmony, i guess it was worth it. Good job, Miami66!
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: Miami66 on February 28, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
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I'm fairly certain U2start is a lost cause now... they pretty much hate us over there  ;D
Actually, quite a few people did say they signed, so despite all the disharmony, i guess it was worth it. Good job, Miami66!

lmao if you say so Jamie ;D
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: TheEdgeIn4D~Too much is NOT enough! {T-PEP} on February 28, 2011, 09:09:50 AM
I wish I had realized this before we put up the petition, but in the beginning of live versions of Numb from Zoo TV, the voice says "Our fans want new material. Our stuff has been repeated too many times. You can't sell the same thing to the same old crowd forever."

Um, can I get an amen? What happened to this sentiment in U2? Did it get drowned out in the flow of cash from Live Nation?  :-\
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: TheEdgeIn4D~Too much is NOT enough! {T-PEP} on February 28, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
My signature got deleted somehow.... :-\ And it won't let me sign it again. Says I've already signed it!  >:(
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on February 28, 2011, 09:42:53 AM
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I wish I had realized this before we put up the petition, but in the beginning of live versions of Numb from Zoo TV, the voice says "Our fans want new material. Our stuff has been repeated too many times. You can't sell the same thing to the same old crowd forever."

Um, can I get an amen? What happened to this sentiment in U2? Did it get drowned out in the flow of cash from Live Nation?  :-\

amen, i think the worst thing about u2.com apart from its disservice to fans, is that it epitomises how money grabbing and out of touch the band, or at least the bands brand has become. It's a damn shame the boys are letting their name be used like this.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Utwoed on March 01, 2011, 03:41:08 PM
The Administration (powers that be) at U2.com have seen the petition and are aware of what's going on and this is what one of the Mods there says:

"Admin looked at it, and are aware of the general feeling of the fans in regards to both Duals and the fan club.

At this time, Admin will not be issuing a comment or reply."

Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 01, 2011, 04:13:38 PM
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The Administration (powers that be) at U2.com have seen the petition and are aware of what's going on and this is what one of the Mods there says:

"Admin looked at it, and are aware of the general feeling of the fans in regards to both Duals and the fan club.

At this time, Admin will not be issuing a comment or reply."



precisely why we need to go over their heads. they're not gonna go to the band and admit everyones been unhappy with what they've been doing.

someone should have pointed out that by saying that they were issuing a comment or reply ha ha.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 01, 2011, 04:19:55 PM
It wasn't one of the Admin whosaid that, it was Baja. And I suspect that the work the Admin has to do to make a comment is go to the band and ask permission. Baja indicated that the Admin would make a comment if possible, which to me makes it seem likely that they would have to go to U2, who would be informed about what is going on as a result. Did not a similar thing happen with Larry and the Vertigo Tour presales?
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: boom boom on March 01, 2011, 04:30:48 PM
Well, the way I see it, no one is holding a gun to anyone's  head and forcing them to join the fanclub. Simply, if you don't like what is being offered and don't like the service just don't re-subscribe.  I for one have had no problems yet when ordering merchandise from the shop or during concert pre-sales and I really don't subscribe for the bonus CD.  What do you want them to give you?  Advance copy of their new album.  Okay, maybe they should have also thrown in a free T-Shirt.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Utwoed on March 01, 2011, 05:36:51 PM
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It wasn't one of the Admin whosaid that, it was Baja. And I suspect that the work the Admin has to do to make a comment is go to the band and ask permission. Baja indicated that the Admin would make a comment if possible, which to me makes it seem likely that they would have to go to U2, who would be informed about what is going on as a result. Did not a similar thing happen with Larry and the Vertigo Tour presales?
That's what I meant, the mod, Bajagirl, said that Admin has seen it and they have no comment or reply at this time.  Baja did not state anywhere I saw that Admin would make a comment, if possible.  She posted that the statement from Admin is: "Admin looked at it, and are aware of the general feeling of the fans in regards to both Duals and the fan club.  At this time, Admin will not be issuing a comment or reply."

If you expect a comment, reply, changes, etc. don't hold your breath.  It took them 2 years to fix most of the problems with the site and there's still glitches.  It's all about money and U2 seem to have lots of other things on their minds.  Get a new album out would be #1 and this tour is ending this year.  This tour will have been going on for over 2 years so if you resub for presales only, forget it.
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Post by: Dfit00 on March 01, 2011, 05:38:41 PM
I don't understand why there's so much hatred towards Zootopia.

You have exclusive access to all of the albums, pictures, videos, blogs, interviews, and articles. Apart from that you get a forum full of beautiful and hot people, opportunities for local meetups and groups, presale codes so that you don't killed by ticketmaster, archived info from early as 2001, and so much other neat stuff that you can find if you dig deep.

Don't stand there expecting the benefit of the membership to come to you, explore the site and capture it.

What is it that you guys want from the subscription so that you can get "more value for your money"!?
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Post by: MelancholyBaby (U2Katya) on March 01, 2011, 05:58:47 PM
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I wish I had realized this before we put up the petition, but in the beginning of live versions of Numb from Zoo TV, the voice says "Our fans want new material. Our stuff has been repeated too many times. You can't sell the same thing to the same old crowd forever."

Um, can I get an amen? What happened to this sentiment in U2? Did it get drowned out in the flow of cash from Live Nation?  :-\

amen, i think the worst thing about u2.com apart from its disservice to fans, is that it epitomises how money grabbing and out of touch the band, or at least the bands brand has become. It's a damn shame the boys are letting their name be used like this.

EXACTLY!! I have been a fan since 1991 and Propaganda...even though it was really expensive for me then, and by the time we got it all the news was WAY out of date by MONTHS...it was still totally worth it! Exclusive pictures and stuff and COOL fanclub stuff just for being in the club...not for resigning up!

I would REALLY like to think U2 just doesn't know what's going on. Really...I think they have ENOUGH on their minds just touring to have to think about fans wanting more stuff from them. It's someone else's job to find out what would be really cool for the fans and work out something neat. Fanfire (right?) is so out of touch because they are just a company (that runs other fanclub sites), they aren't personalized. For the money, we should at least have someone running it that actually CARES about U2. 

Something that bothers me is that a LOT about U2 and the way they do things have changed. I'm obsessed with Achtung Baby because that album is PERFECTION. The art surrounding it, the creative tour, the creative merchandise...everything seemed tailor made to be cool for someone who really likes U2. Can you imagine a deluxe edition of Achtung Baby? (prays, prays prays for something like that with it's rerelease!!) -- I bought the deluxe edition of NLOTH because of the DVD. That DVD would have been an AWESOME fanclub gift instead of making us pay so much for the book (i'm not so impressed with) and over packaging.
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Post by: soapit on March 01, 2011, 06:09:52 PM
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Well, the way I see it, no one is holding a gun to anyone's  head and forcing them to join the fanclub. Simply, if you don't like what is being offered and don't like the service just don't re-subscribe.  I for one have had no problems yet when ordering merchandise from the shop or during concert pre-sales and I really don't subscribe for the bonus CD.  What do you want them to give you?  Advance copy of their new album.  Okay, maybe they should have also thrown in a free T-Shirt.

a lot of people would like the option of being in a fanclub that was really great. for us the other options, 1. being in a fanclub thats not good (current situation) and 2. not being in a fanclub (your suggestion) come a long way behind the preferred option.

we are therefore trying to bring our preferred new option into reality. it's only marginally less simple than your two options point of view in the end.

and suggestions of things they could give us are listed in the petition.

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What is it that you guys want from the subscription so that you can get "more value for your money"!?


again, read the petition.
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Post by: Utwoed on March 01, 2011, 06:15:08 PM
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I don't understand why there's so much hatred towards Zootopia.

You have exclusive access to all of the albums, pictures, videos, blogs, interviews, and articles. Apart from that you get a forum full of beautiful and hot people, opportunities for local meetups and groups, presale codes so that you don't killed by ticketmaster, archived info from early as 2001, and so much other neat stuff that you can find if you dig deep.

Don't stand there expecting the benefit of the membership to come to you, explore the site and capture it.

What is it that you guys want from the subscription so that you can get "more value for your money"!?

Then why do so many people on U2.com state they get more news about U2 from this site then from their official site.  It's because if it isn't "officially" sanctioned by U2 managemnt, it will not be on U2.com.  I get a helluva lot more info about the goings on of various U2 members from this site then U2.com.  This site has much more to offer in the archives on all things U2 going back to their very beginning.  I got better seats on ticketmaster (weird I know) then from U2 presale, and so have others.  They don't tour every year, so is paying $40/$50 every year for a presale code to use every 4 years or so a bargain, not in my book.  I've explored the site and what's there can be found other places on the net.  I don't go to U2 concerts to meet up with anyone and party.  I go with other like minded friends and family I know in the 3D world.  The site advertises membership as receiving 'member exclusive' products, what?   People received damaged Artificial Horizon vinyls, or never got them.  People have problems with the store.  The community of people are fine, but so are they here.
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Post by: whitewave on March 01, 2011, 06:16:07 PM
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I don't understand why there's so much hatred towards Zootopia.

You have exclusive access to all of the albums, pictures, videos, blogs, interviews, and articles. Apart from that you get a forum full of beautiful and hot people, opportunities for local meetups and groups, presale codes so that you don't killed by ticketmaster, archived info from early as 2001, and so much other neat stuff that you can find if you dig deep.

Don't stand there expecting the benefit of the membership to come to you, explore the site and capture it.

What is it that you guys want from the subscription so that you can get "more value for your money"!?

I do not believe that it is hatred for Zootopia- none was expressed. Here are just a couple complaints that were logged on the petition- The exclusive cd should cover  previously unavailable music. When fanclub presales are launched, there should not have been other presales occurring. In some cases those presales vs the fanclub received better tickets. I was in the first available presale for my location so was able to get good tickets.  However, many were not.  That is a legitimate complaint.  This is where the 'value' for the money comes in.  
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Post by: gnmmet on March 01, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
I don't think we're hating on Zootopia at all.  We would just like U2.com to provide more services to subscribers and not fail at simple tasks like filling orders, posting setlists and sending out fanclub cds that are good again. If you disagree with those points, then don't sign.
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Post by: soapit on March 01, 2011, 10:42:19 PM
everyone, i've had reports that the website is hitting some people up for non compulsory donations when they sign the petition.

WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT ASKING FOR DONATIONS. DO NOT DONATE MONEY TO THIS PETITION.

i dont know what the story is exactly, i've emailed their contact email so will wait and see but in the meantime just sign, dont donate money.
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Post by: rantard on March 01, 2011, 11:30:36 PM
Facebook and Twitter are the way to spread the word about the petition. Over 7 million followers on Facebook. That has to be more than atu2 and U2.com I would think. These sites are for super fans like us.

I just posted the petition link on their Facebook wall.

What about sending a news release to the NY Times, where Bono has been a guest editor? See if he'll respond to this issue in his own article and in his own words.
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Post by: soapit on March 02, 2011, 02:51:03 AM
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Facebook and Twitter are the way to spread the word about the petition. Over 7 million followers on Facebook. That has to be more than atu2 and U2.com I would think. These sites are for super fans like us.

I just posted the petition link on their Facebook wall.

What about sending a news release to the NY Times, where Bono has been a guest editor? See if he'll respond to this issue in his own article and in his own words.

by all means post links on whatever tweeters you like, the more the merrier. when we were putting it together though i think we agreed that we'd try and handle it in house and keep it between us (u2 fans) and the band and not involve outside media (ny times, rolling stone etc) until later if at all (depending what kind of response we get).
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Post by: u2faninslc on March 02, 2011, 08:20:26 AM
I am so happy that the ridiculousness of U2.com is being talked about.  Being a member of U2.com is such a waste.  I just sent this message to U2.com:

"U2.com is fairly useless for anybody who is a big enough fan to pay $50 for access.  Fans who are fanatical enough to pay $50 to be in the club have no need to stream U2's CDs - we own the CDs!  We have the digital files on our computers.  

Also, the fan forum is poorly designed.  I'd much rather use the fan forums on other "real" fan sites.

The annual "gift" (really we all pay for it with our fee) is laughable.  I don't want a remix of a song that already has been released on an album.  Remixes are awful.  Especially since 90% of U2's remixes move into the techno/dance genre.  That's great I guess if you are in Europe, but Americans don't have a taste for techno.

Lastly, and this has nothing to do with being in the fan club, the merchandise on U2.com is so useless. How about a U2 window decal, wallet, jewelry (a ring, e.g.), license plate holder, bicycle jersey (I see Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon ones about once a week on riders in my little city), cups/glasses (not a mug), key chains, koozies, etc.  There is so much more that I'd like to buy in lieu of a t-shirt and a  poster - I'm a grown man, I don't want a U2 poster and wearing a U2 t-shirt works only about once a quarter.  Please get some better merchandise. "  
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Post by: Dfit00 on March 02, 2011, 10:31:53 AM
^ I agree, 100% of techno/dance music with its European like is awful.  ::)

If you have ever taken the time to listen and read the reviews to any of the remixed tracks from U2 (by which you also failed to understand that music genres differ and vary in North America and in Europe) you'd have realized that a lot of Americans enjoy the remixed versions of U2, and the overall awful techno/dance music scene touch within them.

Or maybe I should say that 100% of Americans are awful too.



 
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 02, 2011, 11:16:14 AM
Guys, looks like we're getting press coverage!!

http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/02/u2-fan-club/
 :o
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Post by: Inishfree on March 02, 2011, 11:36:51 AM
This is great!  I signed the petition.  Hope everyone gets what they want from the fanclub.
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Post by: rantard on March 02, 2011, 11:55:10 AM
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Facebook and Twitter are the way to spread the word about the petition. Over 7 million followers on Facebook. That has to be more than atu2 and U2.com I would think. These sites are for super fans like us.

I just posted the petition link on their Facebook wall.

What about sending a news release to the NY Times, where Bono has been a guest editor? See if he'll respond to this issue in his own article and in his own words.

by all means post links on whatever tweeters you like, the more the merrier. when we were putting it together though i think we agreed that we'd try and handle it in house and keep it between us (u2 fans) and the band and not involve outside media (ny times, rolling stone etc) until later if at all (depending what kind of response we get).


Sounds good. I'm just proud of being part of the movement. Someone should record a song on youtube with revised lyrics about this issue to the tune of various U2 songs...

i.e. I can't believe the dues I pay, I gave my 50 and they stole it all away!
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Post by: streetmission on March 02, 2011, 11:57:44 AM
Wow, this thing pretty much exploded the past four days!  Four days ago I checked and they were barely 200 signatures.  Now there are over 800! :D
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Post by: Nielsen on March 02, 2011, 11:58:01 AM
Music website Spinner has caught our petition:

http://aol.it/fwtazH
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Post by: gnmmet on March 02, 2011, 02:12:54 PM
Wow over 900 signatures!
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Post by: rantard on March 02, 2011, 03:07:09 PM
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Guys, looks like we're getting press coverage!!

http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/02/u2-fan-club/
 :o

Awesome! I will repost this link on their Facebook page. Bigger press names like Rolling Stone, Billboard, Q, and Spin will get wind pretty quick, watch.
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 02, 2011, 03:23:59 PM
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Guys, looks like we're getting press coverage!!

http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/02/u2-fan-club/
 :o

Awesome! I will repost this link on their Facebook page. Bigger press names like Rolling Stone, Billboard, Q, and Spin will get wind pretty quick, watch.

Sounds good man! Go for it  ;D
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Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 02, 2011, 03:28:54 PM
It's the last 24 hours that has done it. One day ago there were only 290 signatures. In 24 hours it has exploded to 953. I hope everybody verifies their signature!
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 02, 2011, 03:31:59 PM
I wonder what changed?  ???
Whatever it was, it looks like it's finally taking on some momentum, this is really good.
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Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 02, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
Probably atu2 posting it on the front page, since that's how Spinner picked the story up. A lot of people don't check forums on any website, even to voice displeasure, so that front page update probably got a hell of a lot of people's attention - they would have been dissatisfied beforehand, but didn't know where to voice their displeasure. Now they do, and it's a hell of a jump as a result.
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Post by: soapit on March 02, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
oh well, if it happens it happens. must say the articles interesting in that about 70% is copied and pasted straight from the petition.

yeah i was trying to figure out why it exploded all of a sudden then i realised it was on the main atu2.com page. i had underestimated how much effect that would have but it makes sense i spose.

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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 02, 2011, 04:35:01 PM
ah, i see, that makes sense. Fingers crossed more news sites pick up on it!
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Post by: missbigkiss on March 02, 2011, 04:53:19 PM
News and link posted on the French website U2Achtung.com. :)

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Post by: whitewave on March 02, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
It most certainly has increased!  I am sad actually that this had to be done, hoping it gets good results.
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Post by: Voxare on March 02, 2011, 06:21:26 PM
2 signatures until it hits 1000! Would like to know numbers of u2.com membership - that would be a good aim for number of signatures.
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Post by: Miami66 on March 02, 2011, 06:28:15 PM
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Guys, looks like we're getting press coverage!!

http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/02/u2-fan-club/
 :o

 :o :o :o :o

Suck it u2 start

;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 02, 2011, 06:47:07 PM
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Guys, looks like we're getting press coverage!!

http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/02/u2-fan-club/
 :o

 :o :o :o :o

Suck it u2 start

;D ;D ;D ;D

HAHA  :D

i also notice that on U2Achtung.com, the 'artist of the month' is radiohead...
I'm starting to think they're both just the same band... maybe we should post this petition on a radiohead forum?  ;D

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Post by: gnmmet on March 02, 2011, 07:53:29 PM
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Guys, looks like we're getting press coverage!!

http://www.spinner.com/2011/03/02/u2-fan-club/
 :o

 :o :o :o :o

Suck it u2 start

;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Try not to pi*s them off too much though, doesn't send a good message if we are fighting amongst ourselves.
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Post by: Utwoed on March 02, 2011, 08:16:48 PM
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It most certainly has increased!  I am sad actually that this had to be done, hoping it gets good results.

It is too bad it had to be done.  If Larry gets wind of it he might really get pi**ed off, hopefully with Live Nation and not the fans ;)
I don't want U2 to end up looking bad, it's the website and Live Nation that are the problem, but U2 or their management needs to address it.
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Post by: TheEdgeIn4D~Too much is NOT enough! {T-PEP} on March 02, 2011, 08:49:59 PM
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It most certainly has increased!  I am sad actually that this had to be done, hoping it gets good results.

It is too bad it had to be done.  If Larry gets wind of it he might really get pi**ed off, hopefully with Live Nation and not the fans ;)
I don't want U2 to end up looking bad, it's the website and Live Nation that are the problem, but U2 or their management needs to address it.

I agree, but U2 need to pull their head out of the mud and put flowers in their place. It's their name being represented, look after it!

And that is FANTASTIC it got pulled onto the spinner site. Great work guys!
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Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 03, 2011, 08:32:54 AM
On the paid side, Baja says that she had a conversation with the U2.com admin and is expecting positive steps to be taken. On another note, over 1100 signatures now.
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Post by: soapit on March 03, 2011, 11:27:59 AM
thats good news mel. additionally they have posted a comment here. http://community.u2.com/topic/21631 which makes a couple of minor quibbles to the content of the petition (in contradiction to our unscientifically collected anecdotal evidence) but the tone is generally positive and sounds promising.

they are also make a slight attempt at defending duals based on 1. people putting alot of work into it, 2. in their words "And it's fair to say that if you've been following the band continually since the very early days, you might have collected these tracks, but for everyone else, there's some great music here"

my thoughts on this
1. its always hard receiving negative feedback to your work but it can help you in the long run and i think its fair to say they didnt have had to work as hard as they would have if they didnt stick all those already released tracks on there
2., do they really expect a u2.com subsrcriber to not own most of the albums, even ones released prior to them becoming a fan, and significant proportion of itunes released tracks?  this seems a little naive actually especially in this day and age of easy access to music?

but yes the tone was pretty good in the post so i am mildly hopeful to see what happens. however we must keep in mind that nothing has actually changed yet so we should continue on with the petition and forward to the top level management when we are ready, just as we were before
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Post by: Droo on March 03, 2011, 11:29:31 AM
Tone was good but asserting you have to follow U2 continuously to gain access to some of these tracks is ludicrous, particularly the album tracks. I can walk to my local HMV and buy the albums with those tracks right now or open iTunes and purchase those songs in 2 minutes.
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Post by: whitewave on March 03, 2011, 06:40:53 PM
I am happy to see that they are going to look into the issues.  The financial side of me just ran the #s on IF the current # of people who have signed the petition were to leave because of these reasons the loss in revenue would be up t0 $59K at this point in time.  That is not a # to sneeze at.
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Post by: Starman on March 03, 2011, 06:42:15 PM
Right now, U2.com isn't going to do anything. They're just covering themselves up.
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Post by: markmrf on March 03, 2011, 07:23:18 PM
I already signed it. And ....  It got me thinking so I made another of my own. I prefer the old-school U2 sound from the Joshua Tree era, and I get a little irritated with them "reinventing" their sound instead of sticking with the sound that made them famous. I also wasn't too happy with "No Line" either. So. I made a petition.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/classicu2/

If you agree sign it. If not. Well then let's all be nice and not start a flame war. We'll agree to disagree and be honest-to-god grownups about it. I knew I could count on you all. Thanks. Mark.
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Post by: Joe90usa on March 03, 2011, 07:38:09 PM
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I am happy to see that they are going to look into the issues.  The financial side of me just ran the #s on IF the current # of people who have signed the petition were to leave because of these reasons the loss in revenue would be up t0 $59K at this point in time.  That is not a # to sneeze at.

It is to U2. Should this get any traction in the general music media, that would be something they would want to avoid...thus the quick response that they are looking into it. They are a very PR-savvy organization.
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Post by: whitewave on March 03, 2011, 09:14:14 PM
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I am happy to see that they are going to look into the issues.  The financial side of me just ran the #s on IF the current # of people who have signed the petition were to leave because of these reasons the loss in revenue would be up t0 $59K at this point in time.  That is not a # to sneeze at.

It is to U2. Should this get any traction in the general music media, that would be something they would want to avoid...thus the quick response that they are looking into it. They are a very PR-savvy organization.
I agree that individual # is probablty paltry to them, but that is just the renewal fee-and within 5 days from start of the petition only. Actually this type a situation is a PR person's nightmare- which would be why they would want to address this right away- but then again 5 days is a pretty long time to wait to respond to this situation.
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Post by: pao6cs on March 03, 2011, 09:34:03 PM
The U2.com response didn't do a thing for me.  There's no real response for Duals.  There are no real actions being taken.  It's all just words at this point.  We need to keep the pressure on them.  Investigation is not enough.  Action is needed.
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Post by: Voxare on March 03, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
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The U2.com response didn't do a thing for me.  There's no real response for Duals.  There are no real actions being taken.  It's all just words at this point.  We need to keep the pressure on them.  Investigation is not enough.  Action is needed.
Sure it's all just words at this point but you have to actually give them a chance to back it up with actions - these things take time - you can't expect to log on tomorrow and have everything be fantastic. I agree that the response they wrote isn't really good enough and I'm all for keeping up the pressure but keep in mind that action will take time.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: pao6cs on March 03, 2011, 09:46:25 PM
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The U2.com response didn't do a thing for me.  There's no real response for Duals.  There are no real actions being taken.  It's all just words at this point.  We need to keep the pressure on them.  Investigation is not enough.  Action is needed.
Sure it's all just words at this point but you have to actually give them a chance to back it up with actions - these things take time - you can't expect to log on tomorrow and have everything be fantastic. I agree that the response they wrote isn't really good enough and I'm all for keeping up the pressure but keep in mind that action will take time.

Sorry, it's been a few weeks since Duals blew up.  They have had enough time.  This is a pitiful response.
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Post by: Voxare on March 03, 2011, 09:51:06 PM
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The U2.com response didn't do a thing for me.  There's no real response for Duals.  There are no real actions being taken.  It's all just words at this point.  We need to keep the pressure on them.  Investigation is not enough.  Action is needed.
Sure it's all just words at this point but you have to actually give them a chance to back it up with actions - these things take time - you can't expect to log on tomorrow and have everything be fantastic. I agree that the response they wrote isn't really good enough and I'm all for keeping up the pressure but keep in mind that action will take time.

Sorry, it's been a few weeks since Duals blew up.  They have had enough time.  This is a pitiful response.

I think this has gone well beyond duals. I think the petition has finally got their attention but it's been less than a week since that was posted so the response is a good start (I mean I think it missed the point in some parts and in others they are just kidding themselves but the fact that they have responded is a good start) and hopefully we start seeing some action very soon.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Utwoed on March 03, 2011, 11:13:13 PM
1,205 have signed.  They responded so more people wouldn't sign it probably  ::)
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Post by: soapit on March 03, 2011, 11:36:55 PM
response to u2.com message on behalf of the people that put the petition together (sent to u2.com admin and posted on the u2.com thread - please circulate around the other forums if ur able)

'Dear U2.comTeam,

We appreciate your respectful and generally positive tone in response to the petition and look forward to seeing any changes that are in store. However until such time as something concrete actually happens the petition will be continuing as before.'

so keep on signing folks, the petition still wants/needs you.
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Post by: missbigkiss on March 04, 2011, 02:32:20 AM
They haven't understood us.
They don't want to change anything.
Disapointed ! :(

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Post by: Utwoed on March 04, 2011, 08:54:34 AM
If you do a search on U2 Fan Club Petition you'll see articles about it on various radio station websites around the U.S. and Canada, blogs, and other artists forums.  I particularly like this one at Pearl Jams fan club http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=150358
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Post by: sandc on March 04, 2011, 10:11:51 AM
Ironic how U2 is defending Duals, yet they have yet to mail it out even though we were all told January back last year!
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Post by: Oswaldo on March 06, 2011, 08:00:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4)

See what happens when Hitler knows about the gift.
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Post by: TheEdgeIn4D~Too much is NOT enough! {T-PEP} on March 06, 2011, 08:19:10 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4)

See what happens when Hitler knows about the gift.

LOL. That is *SO* wrong but SO funny! And it is really kind of how I feel!
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Post by: sw on March 06, 2011, 08:24:53 PM
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Ironic how U2 is defending Duals, yet they have yet to mail it out even though we were all told January back last year!

OMG that's true!
Not that I'm particularly anxious to receive my CD.
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 06, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4)

See what happens when Hitler knows about the gift.

This was hilarious!
The highlight for me has to be
"Someone tell them u2 has a musical because i'm sure they don't know it yet!"
It made me laugh so hard  :D
Also, hitler complaining about the u2.com forums being to authoritarian... genius!!!!
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Post by: Voxare on March 06, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4)

See what happens when Hitler knows about the gift.

Lmao - that's great!
"maybe they'll post an apology as mediocre and heartfelt as Charlie Sheen's sanity"...
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Post by: rattleandhum24 on March 06, 2011, 09:11:11 PM
I was pretty disappointed with the web team's response to this actually.  Can't say I'm too surprised, because it's part of the established pattern of doing business with the fan community that we are petitioning to change.  On the one hand, I can see the argument that people worked hard on Duals, but as so many have said before on this thread, if I'm paying U2.com (and in doing so, inherently paying Live Nation) $40 a year to gain a feeling of exclusivity of knowledge, community, merchandise, ticketing, etc. etc. etc., I get more of all of those feelings and materials by simply attending a concert and not taking part in the fan club.  The response coming from the web team just felt pithy to me, and that's not part of the range of feelings I want to get from something associated with my favorite band.  If U2 had to go and dream it all up again ... chop down the Joshua Tree ... in order to better itself for the benefit of its fans, I think Live Nation and the web team should take a cue from these men.  Every night they're on stage, Bono, Edge, Adam and Larry exert every effort they have to get closer to us - to make us feel like we have that personal connection.  That effort should extend to us from the web team as well on behalf of the boys. 

I will say that the live stream from Cape Town did impress me, and was the sole factor that made me reverse my decision to not renew my membership.  But then again (and correct me if I'm wrong), it was open to the general fan community.  But, instead of being offended by what was mentioned, the web team needs to do as it as said it will, and take a serious look at the issues at hand.  The reason I signed this, is because I can't get a better experience from the website if I don't indicate that it doesn't meet my needs / wants / desires.  So thanks to all for making this available so that hopefully we can get one step closer to somewhere.
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Post by: Joe90usa on March 06, 2011, 09:18:09 PM
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I was pretty disappointed with the web team's response to this actually.  Can't say I'm too surprised, because it's part of the established pattern of doing business with the fan community that we are petitioning to change.  On the one hand, I can see the argument that people worked hard on Duals, but as so many have said before on this thread, if I'm paying U2.com (and in doing so, inherently paying Live Nation) $40 a year to gain a feeling of exclusivity of knowledge, community, merchandise, ticketing, etc. etc. etc., I get more of all of those feelings and materials by simply attending a concert and not taking part in the fan club.  The response coming from the web team just felt pithy to me, and that's not part of the range of feelings I want to get from something associated with my favorite band.  If U2 had to go and dream it all up again ... chop down the Joshua Tree ... in order to better itself for the benefit of its fans, I think Live Nation and the web team should take a cue from these men.  Every night they're on stage, Bono, Edge, Adam and Larry exert every effort they have to get closer to us - to make us feel like we have that personal connection.  That effort should extend to us from the web team as well on behalf of the boys. 

I will say that the live stream from Cape Town did impress me, and was the sole factor that made me reverse my decision to not renew my membership.  But then again (and correct me if I'm wrong), it was open to the general fan community.  But, instead of being offended by what was mentioned, the web team needs to do as it as said it will, and take a serious look at the issues at hand.  The reason I signed this, is because I can't get a better experience from the website if I don't indicate that it doesn't meet my needs / wants / desires.  So thanks to all for making this available so that hopefully we can get one step closer to somewhere.

U2.com piggy-backed on someone else streaming the show; it wasn't something they would have done on their own. I listened to it live via a South African radio station on the net because there's no way I'd pay for membership to what was once an excellent fan club but now has turned to garbage when technological advances should have meant that the opposite is true. Once again, U2.com presented the illusion of giving you something exclusive when in fact it was not.
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Post by: Georgia on March 06, 2011, 09:28:21 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI9TOGMBo4)

See what happens when Hitler knows about the gift.

OMG!  That was the funniest thing I've seen in a while.  The bit about the "glorified mix tape" was priceless!
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Post by: Voxare on March 06, 2011, 09:33:04 PM
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I was pretty disappointed with the web team's response to this actually.  Can't say I'm too surprised, because it's part of the established pattern of doing business with the fan community that we are petitioning to change.  On the one hand, I can see the argument that people worked hard on Duals, but as so many have said before on this thread, if I'm paying U2.com (and in doing so, inherently paying Live Nation) $40 a year to gain a feeling of exclusivity of knowledge, community, merchandise, ticketing, etc. etc. etc., I get more of all of those feelings and materials by simply attending a concert and not taking part in the fan club.  The response coming from the web team just felt pithy to me, and that's not part of the range of feelings I want to get from something associated with my favorite band.  If U2 had to go and dream it all up again ... chop down the Joshua Tree ... in order to better itself for the benefit of its fans, I think Live Nation and the web team should take a cue from these men.  Every night they're on stage, Bono, Edge, Adam and Larry exert every effort they have to get closer to us - to make us feel like we have that personal connection.  That effort should extend to us from the web team as well on behalf of the boys. 


Have to agree wholeheartedly with this - the boys go to so much effort to involve the audience and connect with them at the concerts - I was especially impresssed by how much Bono pushed it physically when he was in Oz given his recent injury (i.e. swinging out into the crowd on the circle mike, climbing all over the bridges etc.) but that's because they want to have a connection with the fans, give them a great show...and they do all that and the people running their fanclub do the exact opposite.
I know there are a lot of people saying 'don't complain - if you don't liek just don't pay' and yes - I get your point - but I want the forums to be awesome, for me, fo all the other fans out there, for the band so that their fans are happy and feel like they have a better connection with them, but also for the new fans and future fans. Because, yes, the boys will do everything they can to connect with the fans at a show but fans have to get there first. And for me personally when  I first started getting into the band, I live in Australia so there wasn't much opportunity to see tehm live and I had never been to a live concert so didn't really know about that kind of stuff anyway - but I loved their music and I found my way to their official website where I met so many great people and had so much fun that it fuelled my love of the band and led to me finally getting to see my first show during the Vertigo tour. Now I am planning a trip to follow them around North America and see multiple shows. And yes - if the website keeps going down the drain and everyone leaves I will be sad but it will have no effect on how I feel about the band and the fact that I will keep buying their music and keep going to their shows - but there are new fans out there who might never find out how amazing this band really is and how great they can be live because they don't have that first contact with them and their fanbase that I had.

Maybe that is a bit of a rambling post but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in :)
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 06, 2011, 09:44:39 PM
I've been contacted by an anonymous journalist who wants to write an article about the petition, and asked for some basic info on it. I hope you guys don't mind that i responded to them, but i didn't give out anything that isn't known already. And, i'll post the back and forth here:

Them:
"Perfect! Thanks.  I did contact two of the people who supposedly were fore front with the petition but the one guy didn't feel comfortable doing it.

1. Was it Duals or was it overall dissatisfaction with the site that made you decide enough was enough and something had to be done?

2. Do you think U2 should make their site a little more interactive for the fans since they pay so much money to subscribe?

3. Live Nation seems to be the one that people are blaming this problem on.  What do you want to see get done?

4.  Now that U2.com has officially answered the petition, what do you think is the next step?"

Me:
"No problem! So, who are you writing this piece for?

Here are my answers, anything else you need, let me know:
1: It was Duals, but that was the latest in a long line of problems. Once we saw the track listing, and added it to the list of problems everyone had, a group of us decided that u2.com had gone on like this for too long, and had gone too far.

2: Can you define interactive? I suppose if you mean competitions, prizes, interactions with the band itself, yes that stuff would be great. It would certainly help justify the steep price. We believe that either more benefits should be added, or the price should be lowered.

3: Well, other people will know more about ownership than me, but it seems that when Live Nation took control of u2.com a few years ago, Bono promised that it would bring the fans and the band closer together. Since then, service has gotten worse, and the band is certainly no more connected to their fan-base. In fact, many feel alienated.
What we want is for u2.com to fix the problems brought up in the petition, to add things such as better customer service, and better benefits - for example, it couldn't be too hard for a band member or someone in contact with a band member to answer questions sent from u2.com members every month. That would certainly help fans feel closer to and more acknowledged by the band. Genuinely exclusive CDs would be great too.

4: That's a good question. We certainly feel the need to continue with this protest, because u2.com's response has only been that they acknowledged our problems, not that they would be fixed. So, until we see results, we will continue. The problem is, i'm sure many people will be satisfied with the response, and assume that things will get fixed. But given u2.com's track record, it seems more likely they'll just sweep it under the rug, so we might need to take more drastic measures. Some people have favoured the idea of a boycott, for example.

I hope you don't mind, but i think i'm going to post this on the petition thread - this protest is democratic, and everyone involved is informed of everything that happens, including messages to and from those asking about the movement."
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Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 06, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
Good responses.
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Post by: soapit on March 06, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
hey jamie,

that was me that didnt feel comfortable. to be honest i thought it was going to be a bit more personal questions about motivations for getting in on starting the petition and as i said to her my motivations are complex yet pretty uninteresting (a series of unremarkable events). looking at it the questions it wouldnt have been too bad. just as well though as i couldnt have answered it as well as you did.

something everyone shouldn't forget that the petition is actually addressed principle management and hopefully the band themselves. as i understand we werent ever really aiming to send this to u2.com particularly as we all expected not much more than lip service without someone nice and high up (thinking the big 5) getting in and kicking heads. so then whether or not u2.com makes a statement isnt really a hugely significant milestone of the petition. significant action from them maybe would be something to think about if it happened but i dont think we expected them to fix it themselves and are going over their heads accordingly.

if they get wind of it (as they have) and go and fix it all then that would be something noteworthy.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: thelastrockstar on March 06, 2011, 11:06:53 PM
Hey guys,
As of now this is just for my class, no big deal.  This issue is pretty important to me so that's why I was thinking about attempting to pitch it somewhere else.  I actually was going to ask everyone for their opinion.  It's honestly up to everyone who talks to me whether I pitch it or not.  I wouldn't want to publish something people don't feel comfortable with.  If there's anything anyone wants to add or wants to talk to me please feel free to message me.  I really would love for someone who subscribed to Propaganda and is now a U2.com member to sort of compare the two.  I'm a younger fan and I do own the Propaganda book but other than that I don't know everything about it.   Thanks!
-Adge
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Post by: Nielsen on March 07, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
Another website, CMU, has picked up on the story.

http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/u2-fanclub-members-launch-petition-against-shoddy-service/
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Post by: linasd on March 07, 2011, 10:53:44 AM
Some might say that not paying $50 a year would be a better move, but those people are not true U2 fans. Poor Bono might starve without that extra fanclub money in his pocket.

Love it. :D
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 07, 2011, 12:31:28 PM
thelastrockstar - Thanks for being so considerate. I'm sure no one here will have a problem with you publishing this story  :)
soapit, you're completely right, u2.com itself acknowledging this isn't really a victory, and it's unlikely to change anything. But as you said, we'll aim to be heard by those in power. I guess the best thing we can aim for is for the band to catch wind of this. Once the number of signatures dies down, we need to start sending the petition to people en masse.
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Post by: soapit on March 07, 2011, 01:27:55 PM
yep youre right jamie i think we're still getting about 50-100 a day at the moment so maybe it'll slow by next week.

i'll be on holiday then so i might go missing a bit (i just enjoy telling people i'll be on holiday really)
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 07, 2011, 01:57:30 PM
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yep youre right jamie i think we're still getting about 50-100 a day at the moment so maybe it'll slow by next week.

i'll be on holiday then so i might go missing a bit (i just enjoy telling people i'll be on holiday really)

 :D Good for you dude!
Where are you going?
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Post by: soapit on March 07, 2011, 03:35:58 PM
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yep youre right jamie i think we're still getting about 50-100 a day at the moment so maybe it'll slow by next week.

i'll be on holiday then so i might go missing a bit (i just enjoy telling people i'll be on holiday really)

 :D Good for you dude!
Where are you going?


japan! going skiing for a few days then a few days in tokyo and nikko. wish i was there now.
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Post by: Voxare on March 07, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
Almost at 1500 signatures! Seriously - that's gotta mean something to the people running the site - that's a lot of discontent!
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 07, 2011, 05:19:57 PM
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yep youre right jamie i think we're still getting about 50-100 a day at the moment so maybe it'll slow by next week.

i'll be on holiday then so i might go missing a bit (i just enjoy telling people i'll be on holiday really)

 :D Good for you dude!
Where are you going?


japan! going skiing for a few days then a few days in tokyo and nikko. wish i was there now.

Nice! Have you ever been before? I'm planning to go with friends over the summer, if i have enough money by then  :P
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Post by: soapit on March 07, 2011, 06:16:34 PM
yeah been to japan before but not to any of the places we're going this time plus also havent ski there so will be pretty new stuff.

i loved it though, such a good place to travel. the food is just great

just cracked 1500!!,

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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 07, 2011, 07:07:14 PM
Sounds good man, i've heard nothing but good things about Japan... especially about the food!  :D
Also, back on topic: Yay! Looks like the numbers are continuing to rise, even if not as quickly as with that first 'burst'.
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Post by: rattleandhum24 on March 08, 2011, 07:00:10 AM
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I was pretty disappointed with the web team's response to this actually.  Can't say I'm too surprised, because it's part of the established pattern of doing business with the fan community that we are petitioning to change.  On the one hand, I can see the argument that people worked hard on Duals, but as so many have said before on this thread, if I'm paying U2.com (and in doing so, inherently paying Live Nation) $40 a year to gain a feeling of exclusivity of knowledge, community, merchandise, ticketing, etc. etc. etc., I get more of all of those feelings and materials by simply attending a concert and not taking part in the fan club.  The response coming from the web team just felt pithy to me, and that's not part of the range of feelings I want to get from something associated with my favorite band.  If U2 had to go and dream it all up again ... chop down the Joshua Tree ... in order to better itself for the benefit of its fans, I think Live Nation and the web team should take a cue from these men.  Every night they're on stage, Bono, Edge, Adam and Larry exert every effort they have to get closer to us - to make us feel like we have that personal connection.  That effort should extend to us from the web team as well on behalf of the boys. 

I will say that the live stream from Cape Town did impress me, and was the sole factor that made me reverse my decision to not renew my membership.  But then again (and correct me if I'm wrong), it was open to the general fan community.  But, instead of being offended by what was mentioned, the web team needs to do as it as said it will, and take a serious look at the issues at hand.  The reason I signed this, is because I can't get a better experience from the website if I don't indicate that it doesn't meet my needs / wants / desires.  So thanks to all for making this available so that hopefully we can get one step closer to somewhere.

U2.com piggy-backed on someone else streaming the show; it wasn't something they would have done on their own. I listened to it live via a South African radio station on the net because there's no way I'd pay for membership to what was once an excellent fan club but now has turned to garbage when technological advances should have meant that the opposite is true. Once again, U2.com presented the illusion of giving you something exclusive when in fact it was not.

You're killing me Joe.  But again, it only further reiterates the point - the sense of exclusivity and having a 'special connection' to the band because we pay $50/year to get that isn't being met on LiveNation's end.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 08, 2011, 01:25:02 PM
was thinking for me it comes down to,

the band works their ar*e off for the money they get from us for album sales

they work their ar*e off for the money they get from concert sales

but the money they get from the website seems to be seen as free money for them and anything they give us for it is a bonus for us. certainly they dont have to do a hugely significant amount of extra work in organising the pre sales as this would be done as by the section organising the tour.

perhaps they need to cull a few people over there, how many salaries are funded by our fees i wonder.
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Post by: streetmission on March 11, 2011, 11:21:54 AM
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yeah been to japan before but not to any of the places we're going this time plus also havent ski there so will be pretty new stuff.

i loved it though, such a good place to travel. the food is just great

just cracked 1500!!,

We're now at 1575.  So in the past 3 and a half days or so we've gotten 75.  It's slowing down now.  In fact, within the past 24 hours I only count 5 signatures.
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Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 11, 2011, 11:25:11 AM
Well noted, it seems we've gotten all the signatures we're gonna get.
So, what's the next step, everyone?
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Post by: soapit on March 11, 2011, 05:05:16 PM
well, its gotta be send it out, i think send it to a few people but also we send copies addressed to the big 5 (can you mark it soething, personal confidential might not be quite right) as i think then it technically has to be opened by them or their pa or something.

not sure though. what addresses do we have?
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Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 17, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
Not sure about anyone else, but I'll be sending my original letter, a copy of the petition, and my copy of Duals to Principle Management in the mail as soon as it is received.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 18, 2011, 03:03:22 AM
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Not sure about anyone else, but I'll be sending my original letter, a copy of the petition, and my copy of Duals to Principle Management in the mail as soon as it is received.

i'll probably do something like this too. good to get everyone doing it with maybe a printout showing the number of sigs.

do you have a good address to send it to?
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: whitewave on March 19, 2011, 07:55:10 AM
For some reason I thought the address for Principle was actually included in liner notes.  But not sure.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 22, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
ok everyone, time for one final effort.

i have the email address

info@numb.ie

i have the address

Paul Mcguiness/Paul Hewson/David Evans/Adam Clayton/Larry Mullen
c/o Principle Management
30-32 Sir John Rogerson's Quay
Dublin 2, 11111
Ireland

i will be printing a copy of the petition will all the signatures and posting it (along with my duals copy for the record - when it arrives) to the above address and emailing the petition to the link above. i wonder if they will just not send duals out so we cant send it back to them.

please feel free to do the same or something else.

can those people who posted on other forums please update them with the addresses and suggest they use them.

seems like there is a bit more planned by u2.com already but we should make sure its not just a few crumbs thrown our way for a short term fix so lets try to get it as high up as we can. this means actually addressing it to a band member or paul mac as this means it can legally be opened by them or an authorised representative (i think). probably wont get actually to them but would likely get closer then if it were just addressed to U2. i reckon anyway.

cheers guys. one final push. any other ideas please post.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: streetmission on March 22, 2011, 06:44:47 PM
I posted the addresses on the free side of U2.com.  If someone could do it on the subscriber side as well as Interference, etc. that would be great.

Also, this is what I posted.  I think it sums things up nicely so feel free to copy it and spread it around if you wish  8):

"All right, so we have over 1,600 signatures now!  Time for one final push!

The plan is to email and/or mail the petition to Principle Management.  If you are a member and would like to send "Duals" back to them I know some of us will be doing that.  You can download the petition with all of the signatures in .pdf format and attach it to an email or print it out (it's over 60 pages long!).  Here's the web address for the petition again:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/u2fanclubpetition

Here are the addresses for Principle Management:

info@numb.ie

Paul Mcguiness/Paul Hewson/David Evans/Adam Clayton/Larry Mullen
c/o Principle Management
30-32 Sir John Rogerson's Quay
Dublin 2, 11111
Ireland

Spread the word, everyone!  We want to bombard them with copies of the petition to help influence change!  It looks like we have their attention right now with the possibility of streaming future U2 concerts, but we want that to be a beginning of greater change and not just a bread crumb!"
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 22, 2011, 06:57:08 PM
reads real good. ta

edit: just posted your text on the paid section of u2.com

please if anyone notices the address is wrong please pipe up. i just got it from the net. i found it in a few places so fairly confident but a check would be appreciated from smart people.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Chrisedge on March 29, 2011, 05:23:08 PM
Why would any of you that are complaining have a copy of Duals to send?

Why did you re-up if you weren't happy?

As I have said all along, vote with your wallet. Most of you didn't. If you really wanted to impact them, their membership falling 50% would have gotten their attention.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 29, 2011, 06:11:53 PM
mine doesnt expire until later this year. i wont be resubscribing but i'm still expecting to get a copy of duals to send back.

it seems you've made the mistake of assuming everyone elses situation is the same as yours.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Chrisedge on March 30, 2011, 02:01:03 PM
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mine doesnt expire until later this year. i wont be resubscribing but i'm still expecting to get a copy of duals to send back.

it seems you've made the mistake of assuming everyone elses situation is the same as yours.

I see a bunch of folks compaining, yet STILL GIVING THEIR MONEY TO SOMETHING THEY PETITION AGAINST.

Not sure how you think I am assuming every else is in same situation as me, since I've said from the start of this, I am re-subscribing, and I encourged anyone that thought it was a rip off to just vote with their wallet and not re-subscribe. Lots of hypocrisy here since folks b****, yet re-sign up.

Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 30, 2011, 06:08:57 PM
I don't think anyone involved with this petition is saying they're gonna re-subscribe?  ???
And fyi, we did brainstorm the idea of a mass boycott (unsubscribing), but a lot of people throughout u2 fan-sites did not want to do that/were still happy to sign the petition/thought it was hypocritical for people pushing the petition, who weren't members presently (like me), to ask people to unsubscribe.
So... yeah, a boycott isn't really as easy as it seems (although i agree it would be the most effective form of protest).
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 30, 2011, 06:33:46 PM
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mine doesnt expire until later this year. i wont be resubscribing but i'm still expecting to get a copy of duals to send back.

it seems you've made the mistake of assuming everyone elses situation is the same as yours.

I see a bunch of folks compaining, yet STILL GIVING THEIR MONEY TO SOMETHING THEY PETITION AGAINST.

Not sure how you think I am assuming every else is in same situation as me, since I've said from the start of this, I am re-subscribing, and I encourged anyone that thought it was a rip off to just vote with their wallet and not re-subscribe. Lots of hypocrisy here since folks b****, yet re-sign up.




you were assuming that everyone has had to resubscribe to get the cd which isnt the case. see below.

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Why would any of you that are complaining have a copy of Duals to send?

Why did you re-up if you weren't happy?


i've stated my situation and i'd wager a lot of people are in a similar situation to me. again, my money was given towards the end of last year before the cd content was announced. dont know what everyone elses situation involves but it really doesnt matter, i dont think wanting better value yet still subscribing are necessarily mutually exclusive. i definitely think people dont need to defend their motives for doing so.

you've done what you think is best (not resubscribing but not telling them why). i do think this is kinda like when someone is obviously annoyed about something but when asked what's wrong says "if you dont know I'M not going to tell you" leaving you to guess what the problem is. not too helpful for anyone. but i'm no expert, we all have to decide the best way for to get through these situations and i'm sure your just doing what you think will get the best result and noone can hassle you for that.

so to sum up.

1. i dont think you see what you think you see
2. even if you see what you think you see, what you see, when seen by others, seems like the best option to them and is presumably seen by them as more likely to get a good result than your silent approach (presumably or they would have gone your way). tho maybe you should try insulting people some more and they might come around.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on March 31, 2011, 07:36:36 AM
forgetabouthim... he's probably from u2start ::) ::)
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need m
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 31, 2011, 12:36:05 PM
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forgetabouthim... he's probably from u2start ::) ::)

 :D
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on March 31, 2011, 03:12:10 PM
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forgetabouthim... he's probably from u2start ::) ::)

forget about who?
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Miami66 on March 31, 2011, 08:23:46 PM
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forgetabouthim... he's probably from u2start ::) ::)

forget about who?

I see whatcha did there
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: markreed on April 05, 2011, 03:50:28 PM
If anyone's planning on posting back "Duals", please let me know as the address to return to is very similar to the address of my house...
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on April 05, 2011, 11:56:48 PM
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If anyone's planning on posting back "Duals", please let me know as the address to return to is very similar to the address of my house...

there are a few of us planning to send it back. sorry but i dont understand the relevance of the address being similar to your house address. i'm not being rude, just thick.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: Joe90usa on April 06, 2011, 12:38:04 AM
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If anyone's planning on posting back "Duals", please let me know as the address to return to is very similar to the address of my house...

Why would you need to know that?
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: jw on April 06, 2011, 07:03:17 AM
Mark is saying, if you're set on tossing your Duals away, why not give it to somebody who would like to have it?
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: soapit on April 06, 2011, 06:40:46 PM
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Mark is saying, if you're set on tossing your Duals away, why not give it to somebody who would like to have it?

oh ok...

...we're not tossing it away though, we're sending it back as a physical of the issue. sending it to someone else wouldnt work.
Title: Re: The u2.com petition is here; The Fanclub is a Cannibal - u2.com, fans need more
Post by: markreed on April 07, 2011, 09:59:36 AM
JW got it right. I'm not paying 30 to a fanclub when there's not 30's worth of reasons to do so. It is of course, a cheeky joke, but if someone wants to post me the CD, by all means, go ahead. I won't stop you!