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Title: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 19, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
Everyone has their own definition of "Major" changes but... it's an open question nonetheless. How different do you think the US leg of 2011 will be from Europe / Australasia 2010?

Personally, I think the setlists will be almost identical, but with maybe one or two old songs coming in and some changes in the rotational slots. But I think the overall structure- including the opening six or seven and the second half of the concert- will be basically untouched. (Except the HMTM/UV slot which may see a new song change)

I think this because there was already a fairly major change in the 360 tour in between 2009 and 2010 and they haven't toured the US with the 2010 setlist yet, so it will already seem very different to what the USA got in 2009. Plus there's not much precedent for major changes at this point in a tour without a really special reason or a new release. But I do think that if the new album comes out, we'll see some big changes- mainly NLOTH songs and some oldies being dropped for brand new songs.

WHat are people's thoughts?
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 19, 2011, 02:02:49 PM
No Major Changes.

They'll continue with the greatest hits set-list.

I'd like to see them open with Desire.


Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 19, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
No Line On The Horizon and The Unforgettable Fire will return. Zooropa and/or Fez - Being Born will debut. Discotheque, Gone OR Last Night On Earth will debut to get Pop some representation. White As Snow will be played in honour of the Japanese tsunami and nuclear threat. Every Breaking Wave and North Star will be full band.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: SuperAcrobat on March 19, 2011, 08:16:07 PM
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No Line On The Horizon and The Unforgettable Fire will return. Zooropa and/or Fez - Being Born will debut. Discotheque, Gone OR Last Night On Earth will debut to get Pop some representation. White As Snow will be played in honour of the Japanese tsunami and nuclear threat. Every Breaking Wave and North Star will be full band.
dream on
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Boom Cha! on March 19, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
I say, no major changes.

I'd love for them to shake up the set every now and then and not rely on their hits so much, but this is U2; God forbid that they don't play Beautiful Day one night.  ::)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Aqua on March 19, 2011, 08:22:35 PM
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No Line On The Horizon and The Unforgettable Fire will return. Zooropa and/or Fez - Being Born will debut. Discotheque, Gone OR Last Night On Earth will debut to get Pop some representation. White As Snow will be played in honour of the Japanese tsunami and nuclear threat. Every Breaking Wave and North Star will be full band.
dream on
and out loud. :D.

I'd love fez.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on March 19, 2011, 08:53:40 PM
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No Line On The Horizon and The Unforgettable Fire will return. Zooropa and/or Fez - Being Born will debut. Discotheque, Gone OR Last Night On Earth will debut to get Pop some representation. White As Snow will be played in honour of the Japanese tsunami and nuclear threat. Every Breaking Wave and North Star will be full band.

That would be wonderful and I dont think its that farfetched  :)

I voted for the last option
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 20, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
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No Line On The Horizon and The Unforgettable Fire will return. Zooropa and/or Fez - Being Born will debut. Discotheque, Gone OR Last Night On Earth will debut to get Pop some representation. White As Snow will be played in honour of the Japanese tsunami and nuclear threat. Every Breaking Wave and North Star will be full band.

Interesting array. I am 90% certain TUF won't be back, I could see NLOTH coming back. I think it's INCREDIBLY unlikely that Zooropa or Fez will be played. (Though the latter is more likely than the former) I think the two full band predictions make a lot of sense, I wouldn't rule out a Pop debut though I don't find it likely... I do have to really question White As Snow though, since I have no idea why a song about the Afghan War would be in any way relevant to the tsunami...?
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 20, 2011, 12:50:09 PM
Why was a song about the Troubles (Sunday Bloody Sunday) relevant to Iran/Egypt?

Because it's general enough lyrically to apply.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 20, 2011, 12:56:21 PM
While that's true, that was an instance of utilising a political song that was already going to be in the setlist for a political message. You're talking about them debuting a song they haven't played from an album they clearly aren't keen on (Unfortunately...) to serve a completely different message which I'm not really sure it serves anyway.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 20, 2011, 01:01:32 PM
I'd argue with you, but I believe that would accomplish about as much as having an argument with my kitchen table, so I shall just leave it here. :P
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 20, 2011, 01:04:09 PM
I could see Bad coming back more often, as it was played only once on the last North American leg.

And perhaps a pop song being played doesn't sound too farfetched.

I have a feeling also that we'll see another new song.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 20, 2011, 01:21:29 PM
I think we might see the return of Bullet the Blue Sky for the next leg as it's EXTREMELY relevant and topical at the moment.

Outside it's America.



Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on March 20, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
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No Major Changes.

They'll continue with the greatest hits set-list.

I'd like to see them open with Desire.





I could certainly go for that. 

I really hope that they reduce the ATYCLB tracks.  It's one thing to play these songs in markets such as Turkey or South Africa that rarely see U2, but America has heard ATYCLB played to death.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Miami66 on March 20, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
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I think we might see the return of Bullet the Blue Sky for the next leg as it's EXTREMELY relevant and topical at the moment.

Outside it's America.





I'd be ok with that.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 21, 2011, 10:46:22 AM
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No Major Changes.

They'll continue with the greatest hits set-list.

I'd like to see them open with Desire.





I could certainly go for that. 

I really hope that they reduce the ATYCLB tracks.  It's one thing to play these songs in markets such as Turkey or South Africa that rarely see U2, but America has heard ATYCLB played to death.

The problem with that, though, is that America is also where ATYCLB did best and so where they would probably get the best reception for those songs!
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: jick on March 21, 2011, 11:07:36 AM
Changing the setlist would mean changing how the stage and screen interacts.

It means reprogramming guitar settings.

It would mean more work for the computer graphics designer to find content for the new songs.

But U2 have already sold out every venue they have visited, and they have hit their "sweet spot."  Given their struggles with other matters - fixing their website issues, Spider-man issues, Bono's health issues - I doubt they would bother changing it by much simply because they won't have time for it.

Why exert extra effort for the same amount of money?  With much less effort, they can still earn the same.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 21, 2011, 12:41:48 PM
They had no problem programming stuff for Miss Sarajevo, Mysterious Ways, HMTMKMKM, Sunday Bloody Sunday, In A Little While, etc. after the tour was under way. U2 themselves doesn't have to pay attention at all to those elements either. Once the list is chosen their graphics people make the rest happen.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 21, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
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They had no problem programming stuff for Miss Sarajevo, Mysterious Ways, HMTMKMKM, Sunday Bloody Sunday, In A Little While, etc. after the tour was under way. U2 themselves doesn't have to pay attention at all to those elements either. Once the list is chosen their graphics people make the rest happen.

Agreed. The changes to the technical side happen later, and often if it's a new song, all they really do is just show the band and choose a relatively neutral colour. (E.G. Bad, Desire, All I Want Is You lately)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: jick on March 21, 2011, 07:03:07 PM
What I meant by having no time for it is no time to rehearse for it.  Regardless of the technical side (which should also be time-consuming), music is still the most important part and I doubt U2 will even bother.

At most, there could be one new song added to the mix but that is still being generous.  If ever, they will pull one of their older songs out of the hat - meaning the ones that have been played frequently in previous tours, or something just acoustic.  Will they dig out some lesser-played full-band song they haven't played in a while such as "Do You Feel Loved" or "Please" for example?  Very unlikely because they will need to "re-learn" those songs - with that time they would rather practice a new song that has never been released like they did before with Glastonbury, Spider-Man, and Mercy.

Let's keep it real and not be in some fantasy world hoping for some of our "personal favorites" to suddenly make it.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 21, 2011, 07:39:13 PM
They took the time to relearn HMTMKMKM, Mothers Of The Disappeared, The Unforgettable Fire and freaking SCARLET. I don't think it's expecting too much for a professional world famous band to learn their own songs.

Besides, many of the songs I advocate for are ones they already know. The Edge did the Discotheque riff in Crazy Tonight a lot last year, and Last Night On Earth is a pretty easy song to perform that they did a whole bunch of times on the PopMart Tour. Gone, too, was performed semi-regularly on the Elevation Tour.

The band also took time to rehearse extensively songs like Drowning Man and Tryin' To Throw Your Arms Around The World on prior legs. I imagine they still remember the live arrangements for those. They rehearsed an unplayed album track behind closed doors in South Africa according to Willie and he said it was sounding really good. Zooropa or Fez, anyone?

Also, they managed to pull off Your Blue Room by practicing it at rehearsals in Europe. They have proven they can learn certain things quite quickly.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: StrongGirl on March 22, 2011, 12:28:12 PM
No major changes (just minor ones) and no new album .  Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 22, 2011, 01:03:34 PM
If there is no new album then the addition of Desire, Bullet, The Fly and Please would make the shows on the next legs the best of the entire tour.

1. Desire
2. Beautiful Day
3. Until the End of the World
4. New Year's Day
5. Get on your Boots
6. Magnificent
7. I Still Haven't Found...
8. Stay
9. I'll Go Crazy If I don't Go Crazy Tonight (Album version)
10. The Unforgettable Fire
11. Miss Sarajevo
12. City of Blinding Lights
13. Vertigo
14. One
15. Bullet the Blue Sky/Cedars of Lebanon
16. Please
17. Scarlet
18. Walk On

19. Bad
20. Where the Streets have no Name

21. The Fly
22. With or Without You
23. Moment of Surrender

Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 22, 2011, 03:03:39 PM
Replace Bad with Ultraviolet and Desire with No Line On The Horizon and I do believe that is an absolutely perfect setlist.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Miami66 on March 22, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
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If there is no new album then the addition of Desire, Bullet, The Fly and Please would make the shows on the next legs the best of the entire tour.

1. Desire
2. Beautiful Day
3. Until the End of the World
4. New Year's Day
5. Get on your Boots
6. Magnificent
7. I Still Haven't Found...
8. Stay
9. I'll Go Crazy If I don't Go Crazy Tonight (Album version)
10. The Unforgettable Fire
11. Miss Sarajevo
12. City of Blinding Lights
13. Vertigo
14. One
15. Bullet the Blue Sky/Cedars of Lebanon
16. Please
17. Scarlet
18. Walk On

19. Bad
20. Where the Streets have no Name

21. The Fly
22. With or Without You
23. Moment of Surrender



If you took out UF and inserted Out of Control you'd have 1 track from each album ;)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 22, 2011, 04:36:46 PM
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If there is no new album then the addition of Desire, Bullet, The Fly and Please would make the shows on the next legs the best of the entire tour.

1. Desire
2. Beautiful Day
3. Until the End of the World
4. New Year's Day
5. Get on your Boots
6. Magnificent
7. I Still Haven't Found...
8. Stay
9. I'll Go Crazy If I don't Go Crazy Tonight (Album version)
10. The Unforgettable Fire
11. Miss Sarajevo
12. City of Blinding Lights
13. Vertigo
14. One
15. Bullet the Blue Sky/Cedars of Lebanon
16. Please
17. Scarlet
18. Walk On

19. Bad
20. Where the Streets have no Name

21. The Fly
22. With or Without You
23. Moment of Surrender



If you took out UF and inserted Out of Control you'd have 1 track from each album ;)

But I'd just love to see TUF live if I went to a show.

Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 22, 2011, 04:44:18 PM
I don't see The Unforgettable Fire returning, but I've been wrong before again and may well be again. I admit that as someone who LOVED the song and was disappointed that it was just okay live, I'm probably biased, but I never really saw it getting much of a crowd reaction, even in the pit with the hardcores, so I wasn't at all surprised to see it failing to survive when Ultraviolet, its fellow out-of-nowhere-obscure-tour-regular, managed to. Well, I guess I should say that I *was* surprised when it looked like it *did* survive after it appeared in Turin, then wasn't surprised when it was dropped a few shows in.  :D
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Miami66 on March 22, 2011, 04:51:59 PM
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If there is no new album then the addition of Desire, Bullet, The Fly and Please would make the shows on the next legs the best of the entire tour.

1. Desire
2. Beautiful Day
3. Until the End of the World
4. New Year's Day
5. Get on your Boots
6. Magnificent
7. I Still Haven't Found...
8. Stay
9. I'll Go Crazy If I don't Go Crazy Tonight (Album version)
10. The Unforgettable Fire
11. Miss Sarajevo
12. City of Blinding Lights
13. Vertigo
14. One
15. Bullet the Blue Sky/Cedars of Lebanon
16. Please
17. Scarlet
18. Walk On

19. Bad
20. Where the Streets have no Name

21. The Fly
22. With or Without You
23. Moment of Surrender



If you took out UF and inserted Out of Control you'd have 1 track from each album ;)

But I'd just love to see TUF live if I went to a show.

Yeah.... I'd rather have OOC but thats life :)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: MelicansMatkin on March 23, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
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You're talking about them debuting a song they haven't played from an album they clearly aren't keen on (Unfortunately...) to serve a completely different message which I'm not really sure it serves anyway.

Scarlet says hello.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 23, 2011, 02:04:59 PM
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You're talking about them debuting a song they haven't played from an album they clearly aren't keen on (Unfortunately...) to serve a completely different message which I'm not really sure it serves anyway.

Scarlet says hello.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 23, 2011, 03:09:19 PM
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You're talking about them debuting a song they haven't played from an album they clearly aren't keen on (Unfortunately...) to serve a completely different message which I'm not really sure it serves anyway.

Scarlet says hello.

Well, I think it serves the RIGHT message in that case, but nevertheless, touché!  :D
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 25, 2011, 06:52:28 AM
I think the news of no new album and confirmation that the tour ends after North America guarantees no big shake-up- there's simply no point in doing it with only one leg left. So we may get one or two new 'old' songs, but they are clearly VERY happy with the setlist as it stands and most of it won't be changing!
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: jick on March 25, 2011, 08:42:21 PM
Simple really.

Subtract the more obscure tracks (NLOTH non-singles are it), and add more greatest hits.

As this may probably be U2's last big stadium tour, they might as well leave us a lasting impression with their greatest hits.

Pride is back in the rotation.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 25, 2011, 08:43:24 PM
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Simple really.

Subtract the more obscure tracks (NLOTH non-singles are it), and add more greatest hits.

As this may probably be U2's last big stadium tour, they might as well leave us a lasting impression with their greatest hits.

Pride is back in the rotation.

Cheers,

J


Er... NLOTH non-singles? That's pretty much 'Moment of Surrender', which there is about a 0% chance of them dropping as they've repeatedly cited it as their favourite song on the album and even played it on Saturday Night Live. :P
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: jick on March 25, 2011, 08:46:09 PM
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Simple really.

Subtract the more obscure tracks (NLOTH non-singles are it), and add more greatest hits.

As this may probably be U2's last big stadium tour, they might as well leave us a lasting impression with their greatest hits.

Pride is back in the rotation.

Cheers,

J


Er... NLOTH non-singles? That's pretty much 'Moment of Surrender', which there is about a 0% chance of them dropping as they've repeatedly cited it as their favourite song on the album and even played it on Saturday Night Live. :P

Whoopsie.

U2 won't drop Moment of Surrender.

But they should drop NLOTH, Unknown Caller, Breathe -- oh wait they have already dropped those.

So I guess U2's setlist is more or less where it's at.

They can shake things up by returning Ultraviolet in place of HMTMKMKM.

Or insert Bad in there somewhere.

Or swap I Will Follow for New Years Day.

Otherwise, U2 are pretty much set in their ways.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 25, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
Okay, we'll see in a month or so then. :)

At any rate, as I've said before, the 2010/2011 setlist is a bigger shift from 2009 than people think. If U2 play the USA with the Cape Town setlist plus Stingray, that means that they would be playing SEVEN songs they didn't at the Rose Bowl- or 1/3 of the set. That's bigger than the change has been between pretty much any two previous US legs of the same show.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 25, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
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Okay, we'll see in a month or so then. :)

At any rate, as I've said before, the 2010/2011 setlist is a bigger shift from 2009 than people think. If U2 play the USA with the Cape Town setlist plus Stingray, that means that they would be playing SEVEN songs they didn't at the Rose Bowl- or 1/3 of the set. That's bigger than the change has been between pretty much any two previous US legs of the same show.

But...but....the seven songs are inferior to the ones they did last time. :P

I'd take the Toronto setlist again over the European setlist.

Plus Scarlet.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: gnmmet on March 26, 2011, 07:33:06 AM
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Okay, we'll see in a month or so then. :)

At any rate, as I've said before, the 2010/2011 setlist is a bigger shift from 2009 than people think. If U2 play the USA with the Cape Town setlist plus Stingray, that means that they would be playing SEVEN songs they didn't at the Rose Bowl- or 1/3 of the set. That's bigger than the change has been between pretty much any two previous US legs of the same show.

But...but....the seven songs are inferior to the ones they did last time. :P

I'd take the Toronto setlist again over the European setlist.

Plus Scarlet.

Same

HMTMKMKM sounds so neutered compared to Popmart. Pride is nothing compared to any of the songs that were dropped.  Stay is infinitely superior to IALW.  MLK sounds so much better than Scarlet as long as Bono insists on talking over the refrain.  TUF was a fantastic song and plus the expanding screen = mind****

It will be cool to see Miss Sarajevo and IWF for the first time, but I was hoping for a bit more.

Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 07:35:37 AM
Well, you may not *like* the changes, but they ARE changes!  :D

What I would like is if U2 became as bold again in the USA as they were in Europe last year. Even though U2 fans are naturally pretty fatalistic, fans were pretty generally happy throughout most of the European tour because they were really, really bold consistently in a way that they haven't been in Australasia or Chile afterwards.

It's easy to forget now, but throughout the European leg, U2 were more full of surprises than at any other point on the tour- from the early changes spontaneously playing *new* unplayed songs out of nowhere without warning throughout the entire tour so that different areas got different songs we'd never heard before, bringing back NLOTH in a new, strange form for one gig, playing North Star totally in the dark, playing Mothers of the Disappeared in place of MLK... just generally switching things up and being very unpredictable. Even the return/debuts of classics like Pride, Bad and I Will Follow kept things interesting by being unpredictable and usually taking the place of other classics, not the 'new' slots. All while maintaining a generally very tight setlist structure.

I'd love to see that come back, rather than just a few standard rotations.  And I think that it may, too.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: ryanm on March 26, 2011, 10:10:32 AM
I think there'll be some changes even without a new album.  Here's my prediction:

1. Beautiful Day
2. New Year's Day
3. Get on Your Boots
4. Magnificent
5. Even Better Than the Real Thing
6. Mysterious Ways
7. I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
8. Tryin' to Throw Your Arms Around the World
9. Pride
10. Mercy
11. Bad/All I want is You
12. Until the End of the World
13. The Unforgettable Fire
14. City of Blinding Lights
15. Vertigo
16. I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight
17. Sunday Bloody Sunday
18. Scarlet
19. Walk On

20. One
21. Where the Streets Have No Name

22. Ultraviolet
23. With or Without You
24. Moment of Surrender
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 12:01:34 PM
I really don't understand any prediction that has 'The Unforgettable Fire' returning. Yes, I realise that many people love it, but they just dropped it and they already played it for the entire North American leg. Remember that in the FIRST shift from Europe to America, they got, if anything, more emphasis on the classics- Elevation and Mysterious Ways going from being played on occasion to being played every single night, for instance. What reason is there to believe that TUF will return when they've shifted to a new way to open the screen, they haven't brought it back since early Europe even for places that DIDN'T get it and if they wanted a different setlist for USA 2, that's an obvious way to do it?
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 26, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
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I really don't understand any prediction that has 'The Unforgettable Fire' returning. Yes, I realise that many people love it, but they just dropped it and they already played it for the entire North American leg. Remember that in the FIRST shift from Europe to America, they got, if anything, more emphasis on the classics- Elevation and Mysterious Ways going from being played on occasion to being played every single night, for instance. What reason is there to believe that TUF will return when they've shifted to a new way to open the screen, they haven't brought it back since early Europe even for places that DIDN'T get it and if they wanted a different setlist for USA 2, that's an obvious way to do it?

Because The Unforgettable Fire was rehearsed in South Africa.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 12:55:35 PM
They need to do *something* because last night's Chile set-list was a disappointment. 

This is Santiago and they didn't even play Mothers of the Disappeared. ::)


Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: gnmmet on March 26, 2011, 01:18:23 PM
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Well, you may not *like* the changes, but they ARE changes!  :D

What I would like is if U2 became as bold again in the USA as they were in Europe last year. Even though U2 fans are naturally pretty fatalistic, fans were pretty generally happy throughout most of the European tour because they were really, really bold consistently in a way that they haven't been in Australasia or Chile afterwards.

It's easy to forget now, but throughout the European leg, U2 were more full of surprises than at any other point on the tour- from the early changes spontaneously playing *new* unplayed songs out of nowhere without warning throughout the entire tour so that different areas got different songs we'd never heard before, bringing back NLOTH in a new, strange form for one gig, playing North Star totally in the dark, playing Mothers of the Disappeared in place of MLK... just generally switching things up and being very unpredictable. Even the return/debuts of classics like Pride, Bad and I Will Follow kept things interesting by being unpredictable and usually taking the place of other classics, not the 'new' slots. All while maintaining a generally very tight setlist structure.

I'd love to see that come back, rather than just a few standard rotations.  And I think that it may, too.

Changes by themselves don't make the show better.  Otherwise U2 dropping Streets for a snippet of Man and a Woman would be a good thing.  UV, TUF, the unreleased songs, Mothers (as opposed to the tease we got), the mega Discotheque snippet, Scarlet (when Bono actually sings) and One Tree Hill all brought something to the show.  The other stuff doesn't really add much.

I agree that the European legs were probably the best on the tour.  The first had some of the best performances of the decade while the second had some of the best set-lists.  But best of all they were actually willing to play new songs.  

On the 2nd Euro leg it wasn't really a GHT, but now they open with an old hit and have completely dropped the unreleased stuff it's kinda hard to deny it.  All when they are playing South America, where there are the best audiences in the world.  That doesn't bode well for us in the States, since our audiences are nowhere near as exciting as South America's.  

Perhaps we are being too greedy as fans.  But it's pretty frustrating to see them ignore the wealth of material they have, both released and unreleased that could blow the audience away even more.  IALW and Pride are not bad songs, but compared to the likes of Mofo, Exit, Please, EBTTRT, New York and Out of Control, they suck.


Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: ryanm on March 26, 2011, 01:26:54 PM
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Changes by themselves don't make the show better.  Otherwise U2 dropping Streets for a snippet of Man and a Woman would be a good thing...

?!?!?!?!  ???

If U2 ever takes Streets out of the set list, they will have officially gone insane.  95% of the people that go to their concerts are not die-hard fans and go to hear the hits.  Streets is their most epic live song and should never be removed.

As a die-hard fan who has never seen them live, I would be devastated if they took it out of the set list for the show I went to.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 01:55:49 PM
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Changes by themselves don't make the show better.  Otherwise U2 dropping Streets for a snippet of Man and a Woman would be a good thing...

?!?!?!?!  ???

If U2 ever takes Streets out of the set list, they will have officially gone insane.  95% of the people that go to their concerts are not die-hard fans and go to hear the hits.  Streets is their most epic live song and should never be removed.

As a die-hard fan who has never seen them live, I would be devastated if they took it out of the set list for the show I went to.

He means that if changes by themselves would make the show better, then dropping streets for a snippet of Man and a Woman (by way of extreme example) would make the show better.

Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 05:23:01 PM
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Well, you may not *like* the changes, but they ARE changes!  :D

What I would like is if U2 became as bold again in the USA as they were in Europe last year. Even though U2 fans are naturally pretty fatalistic, fans were pretty generally happy throughout most of the European tour because they were really, really bold consistently in a way that they haven't been in Australasia or Chile afterwards.

It's easy to forget now, but throughout the European leg, U2 were more full of surprises than at any other point on the tour- from the early changes spontaneously playing *new* unplayed songs out of nowhere without warning throughout the entire tour so that different areas got different songs we'd never heard before, bringing back NLOTH in a new, strange form for one gig, playing North Star totally in the dark, playing Mothers of the Disappeared in place of MLK... just generally switching things up and being very unpredictable. Even the return/debuts of classics like Pride, Bad and I Will Follow kept things interesting by being unpredictable and usually taking the place of other classics, not the 'new' slots. All while maintaining a generally very tight setlist structure.

I'd love to see that come back, rather than just a few standard rotations.  And I think that it may, too.

Changes by themselves don't make the show better.  Otherwise U2 dropping Streets for a snippet of Man and a Woman would be a good thing.  UV, TUF, the unreleased songs, Mothers (as opposed to the tease we got), the mega Discotheque snippet, Scarlet (when Bono actually sings) and One Tree Hill all brought something to the show.  The other stuff doesn't really add much.


The problem is that no-one really agrees on what the stuff is that 'brought something'. Personally, I don't think TUF or Scarlet brought much to the show. I think bringing back I Will Follow did, I think Hold Me Thrill Me did... I agree the Discotheque snippet did, lots of others probably don't.

It all comes down to the fact that no matter how we try to dress it up, what everyone is saying is "I want them to play a setlist which is all songs that I personally like". That's what we mean when we complain about 'static setlists' or too many X songs or not enough of Y or not enough boldness or whatever.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 26, 2011, 06:58:17 PM
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Personally, I don't think TUF or Scarlet brought much to the show. I think bringing back I Will Follow did, I think Hold Me Thrill Me did... I agree the Discotheque snippet did, lots of others probably don't.


So MLK brought something to the setlist that Scarlet didn't? I am going to have to strongly disagree with you there.

And many will disagree with you on HMTMKMKM. As much as I love the song, the general consensus seems to be that it pales in comparison to the power of Ultraviolet as they have been playing it this tour.

You're simply asserting your own opinion as if it's unassailable fact.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 07:05:42 PM
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So MLK brought something to the setlist that Scarlet didn't? I am going to have to strongly disagree with you there.

And many will disagree with you on HMTMKMKM. As much as I love the song, the general consensus seems to be that it pales in comparison to the power of Ultraviolet as they have been playing it this tour.

You're simply asserting your own opinion as if it's unassailable fact.

Hang on, that's not what I'm doing at all. I'm saying the exact opposite- I'm saying that every individual person has their own interpretation of what 'brings something' and what doesn't! When you quoted that bit, you left out the bit before where I noted that we all have our own view of what 'brings something', and the bit after where I said that what it all comes down to is that we all want them to play songs that we individually like!  And even in the bit you quoted, I noted that I agreed on the Discotheque thing, others probably didn't. My entire post was about how everyone has their own opinion and no-one is any more right than anyone else.

And, yeah, I do think MLK brings more than Scarlet, and while I prefer Ultraviolet to HMTM, I disagree that there's much of a 'general consensus' there at all, and I've loved seeing both live on the tour. It's all about personal preference- which is exactly what I was trying to say before! Sorry if I said it badly or wasn't clear.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 26, 2011, 07:15:25 PM
I must have misunderstood you, then.

All I will say is this: which did audiences enthusiastically sing along with: MLK or Scarlet? ;)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 07:17:15 PM
To be honest, I can't comment fairly on that as I saw MLK four times live and have only heard Scarlet online, and clearly I'm going to be biased towards MLK when I've been part of an audience singing it!  :D
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 26, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
People sang MLK live at your shows? Or was it just you? ;)

My audience was dead silent while it was being performed.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
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People sang MLK live at your shows? Or was it just you? ;)

My audience was dead silent while it was being performed.

I was in the pit with an Italian crowd. They sang EVERYTHING live at my shows!  :D As I said, that makes me quite biased. But no, it's fair to say people sang MLK at all my shows. I wasn't even one of them in Dublin, my throat was far too parched after Pride! But different crowds, different places in the crowd, different experiences. One of my crowds in Dublin sat down when they heard the start of Streets. (!?!?!?!?!?) It's all perspective, I guess!
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on March 26, 2011, 07:24:40 PM
Perhaps it's because you were in the pit with the hardcore fans. I was in the stands and nobody knew MLK or really responded to it.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 08:00:58 PM
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People sang MLK live at your shows? Or was it just you? ;)

My audience was dead silent while it was being performed.

They were silent in awe.



Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on March 26, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
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People sang MLK live at your shows? Or was it just you? ;)

My audience was dead silent while it was being performed.

I could barely hear Bono over my entire section singing MLK, and I was in the upper deck at Gillette Stadium
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Gravy11 on March 29, 2011, 10:03:27 PM
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I say, no major changes.

I'd love for them to shake up the set every now and then and not rely on their hits so much, but this is U2; God forbid that they don't play Beautiful Day one night.  ::)

I could've sworn I read a similar post back in 2005 on a website.but instead of "Beautiful Day", the OP said "Pride".  :)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Gravy11 on March 29, 2011, 10:09:46 PM
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I think we might see the return of Bullet the Blue Sky for the next leg as it's EXTREMELY relevant and topical at the moment.

Outside it's America.



Funny, I was just thinking this. What a perfect opportunity BTBS would be for Speechifying!  It's angry tone is relevant now with the current climate. I really think they're trying to keep their "in your face" political tunes away from 360. Yea I know Sunday Bloody Sunday but that serves as a hit before a political lashing.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 31, 2011, 06:07:56 AM
According to Willie's diary;

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There are several new show ideas in the works, six of which were on the agenda for the afternoon's discussion. The most precious to me are the remixes of Magnificent and Even Better Than the Real Thing
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: JamietheEdgefan on March 31, 2011, 06:23:44 AM
Wow, a remix of magnificent? I didn't like the b-side remixes we got, but judging by their capability to pull remixes off live, i would welcome that!

If they're not releasing a new album, it would be cool for them to just let loose and really overhaul the show... as much for their own sanity as for us (imagine playing pretty much the same set list since new zealand!)

I'd imagine however, that the majority of these changes will take place for the NA/possibly Mexico leg.. and should be accompanied by at least an EP  ;)
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: gnmmet on March 31, 2011, 07:03:57 AM
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According to Willie's diary;

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There are several new show ideas in the works, six of which were on the agenda for the afternoon's discussion. The most precious to me are the remixes of Magnificent and Even Better Than the Real Thing


 :o :o :o

I hope it's the Falke Mix from Artificial Horizon.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: gnmmet on March 31, 2011, 07:05:44 AM
By the way someone mentioned earlier that Willie ruled out Fez-Being Born in one of his diaries.  Can anyone find that post?
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 03, 2011, 04:35:35 AM
He didn't specifically rule it out, but he definitely implied it. He talked about how it was a waste that Fez wasn't in the show, then said he suddenly came to the realisation that you didn't need Being Born to have Fez. It doesn't exactly look good for its chances.

Incidentally, Willie pretty clearly signals that The Unforgettable Fire won't be back on this tour in his newest entry;

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Even Better Than the Real Thing was an absolute staple of the ZooTV and PopMart tours, then kind of fell off the map. Songs do that periodically. For reasons it's hard to put a finger on, a once-great song just goes cold, or at least just stops working quite as well as it used to.  I've learned to go with this and not to try too hard to push against it - songs have a life of their own somehow, and it's probably wise to follow their flow rather than impose your own inappropriate will onto them. It was truly wonderful to have The Unforgettable Fire as a nightly regular for the first year of this tour but then again, for no readily discernable reason, it just lost that loving feeling 

He also utterly disproved the myth jick has been peddling about how the band need WEEKS to ever even contemplate or relearn a song, as he reveals that they had never even rehearsed the new mix of EBTTRT (and, let's not forget, hadn't played the original in a decade) before the day of the show, and decided to put it in at the very last minute.
Title: Re: Setlist changes for US Leg 2011
Post by: Droo on April 03, 2011, 09:16:46 AM
Please let the Magnificent remix be like the Fred Falke dance remix.

Six new ideas? I sure hope Zooropa and Drowning Man are on that list.

My predictions:

1. In A Little While dropped, replaced with Stay.
2. No Line On The Horizon brought back.
3. Every Breaking Wave resurrected, full band.
4. Zooropa or Being Born to be played after the Fez interlude after Miss Sarajevo.
5. Magnificent remix performed live.
6. Drowning Man debuts.