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Title: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 05:51:55 PM
Well, it's official. U2 are over. Fans will never care about them again, two years after its release, they aren't even touring to support their new album and they clearly just rely on their greatest hits. They only play *three* songs from the new album, for God's sake! They have become everything that they feared and hated. We'll probably never get an album for MONTHS with the impending collapse of talks about their album with that new producer, and certainly no real live rareties. They barely even play songs from the new album live anymore- in fact, they play more songs from *two* other albums than the new album on some night, and just as many from ATYLCB as they do on the album. Truly U2 are over with this tour PACKED with greatest hits- I mean, do we really need to hear Elevation, ISHF, Beautiful Day, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Pride, Streets, every night? Even the rotations are so uninspired- constantly 'Bad' or 'Angel of Harlem'. Songs that were once rare, like Miss Sarajevo, don't seem it anymore. And they don't even change up the order anymore- always opening the same, with similar structures!

PLUS despite rumors of a return to Europe and possible new material soon, we won't get anything for AGES. I bet this is the end of U2 and this last tour is their last major one.

...I speak of course, of the Vertigo Tour-  http://www.u2gigs.com/show1451.html - which is coming to an end in late 2006 with only three-four songs being played from the newest album, HTDAAB, and CERTAINLY no brand new unplayed songs, let alone two-three most nights. As for any song as rare as Hold Me Thrill Me, In A Little While or Ultraviolet? Forget about it.

...Why? What are you guys talking about?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 26, 2011, 05:54:14 PM
 :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: ABloodRedSky on March 26, 2011, 05:59:15 PM
I see what you did there. :D :P
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Aqua on March 26, 2011, 06:02:56 PM
heh. good one.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 26, 2011, 06:24:54 PM
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heh. good one.

It's not a "good one" at all.

This just demonstrates that U2 fans who are too young to have followed the band in the pre-Behind days have zero perspective. I mean, appealing to the Vertigo Tour under the guise of 360 to demonsrate that U2 haven't let their credibility slip is hilarious. As if it's the golden age of the mid-2000s that we hearken back to!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 06:30:42 PM
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heh. good one.

It's not a "good one" at all.

This just demonstrates that U2 fans who are too young to have followed the band in the pre-Behind days have zero perspective. I mean, appealing to the Vertigo Tour under the guise of 360 to demonsrate that U2 haven't let their credibility slip is hilarious. As if it's the golden age of the mid-2000s that we hearken back to!

It would be, if that's what I was doing. What I was actually doing, as I think the title clearly demonstrates, is mocking the idea that this is some MASSIVE thing which means the end of the band, the incredibly amusing overreactions of many here as though this is earth-shattering evidence of U2 having irrevocably changed and being over.

Although mind you, the Vertigo Tour is doing pretty damn well in the current poll in 'Tours' and featured easily more setlist variety than any other U2 tour ever- CRUSHING that of the 1990s, so.... not too hilarious. ;)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 26, 2011, 06:43:43 PM
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heh. good one.

It's not a "good one" at all.

This just demonstrates that U2 fans who are too young to have followed the band in the pre-Behind days have zero perspective. I mean, appealing to the Vertigo Tour under the guise of 360 to demonsrate that U2 haven't let their credibility slip is hilarious. As if it's the golden age of the mid-2000s that we hearken back to!

It would be, if that's what I was doing. What I was actually doing, as I think the title clearly demonstrates, is mocking the idea that this is some MASSIVE thing which means the end of the band, the incredibly amusing overreactions of many here as though this is earth-shattering evidence of U2 having irrevocably changed and being over.

Although mind you, the Vertigo Tour is doing pretty damn well in the current poll in 'Tours' and featured easily more setlist variety than any other U2 tour ever- CRUSHING that of the 1990s, so.... not too hilarious. ;)

Yes, but the same criticisms that people like me have offered about 360 were being given by us during Vertigo as well. So when you offer what is intended to be (mis)perceived as a lament about 360 which (gasp!) ends up being really about Vertigo is a tactic that sort of falls pretty wide of the mark. But again, to truly appreciate what the critics of post-2000 U2 are saying requires having been around since before that time.

We all have our opinions and unique perspectives, which is great. But I am just pointing out that your rhetorical attempt at a "Gotcha!" demonstrates that the perspective of people like me is either not being understood, or not being really addressed.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 06:45:14 PM
...Or again that you are completely missing the point of the thread, but sure.  :D
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 07:02:42 PM
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when you offer what is intended to be (mis)perceived as a lament about 360 which (gasp!) ends up being really about Vertigo

Yup, TUC certainly has a flair for the dramatic.   ;D


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 26, 2011, 07:05:27 PM
TUC, I don't recall anyone stating U2 were over, other than you in your semi-entertaining stunt.
And by this you assume it's okay for a supposedly active band to let fans wait 4-5 years for a new album and keep tours going without much new material twice. This is in fact nostalgia act territory. Actually most of us '90s fans (my local friends in U2) found Bomb to be the first unexciting U2 record after the long wait and teases just like SOA (2000-2004, with a possibly quick follow up to ATYCLB having been mentioned before 2002), so your post just reinforced my perception of a vaning old band that just cannot go away gracefully, instead chosing to keep every fan on their toes for whole years, without much creativity or reward. This is not a good strategy from either U2, or you.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 07:09:18 PM
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TUC, I don't recall anyone stating U2 were over, other than you in your semi-entertaining stunt.

Really? You *really* need to check out the semi-apocalyptic 'No new album' thread then.  Seriously, people are essentially predicting armageddon for U2, and I think the overreactions have been ludicrous. That's all I'm trying to say here, no big statement or criticism of anyone.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 26, 2011, 07:11:41 PM
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when you offer what is intended to be (mis)perceived as a lament about 360 which (gasp!) ends up being really about Vertigo

Yup, TUC certainly has a flair for the dramatic.   ;D




I know! I can't believe I almost fell into the trap of criticizing Vertigo-era U2!!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 26, 2011, 07:13:31 PM
Once again completely missing the point. This thread is not remotely intended to say people shouldn't be upset or angry, or lauding Vertigo as great, or saying "Look, you're all hypocrites", or anything like that.

It's just mocking the incredible overreactions of people who think that we are seeing some unprecedented shift that marks the end of the U2 world. And if you don't think that's happening, then fair enough. But continuing to miss the point by accusing the main post of 'missing' a point it wasn't remotely aimed at seems a tad.... pointless, if I can overuse 'point' in a sentence!  :D
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 26, 2011, 07:18:51 PM
If the years of waiting and being subject to teases by the band (before we learnt not to take Bono too seriously, and that means at least one occasion too many) were completely and doubtlessly worth my patience, I'd say fine ye Irish bastards, you're still mint. But this turned out not to be the case. I got fair-to-good albums that I don't listen to anymore (in contrast to Pop and Passengers for example) and a bitter aftertaste, that this is not the greatest possible album they promised to give me, that they were talking about, (and actually should be capable of creating) with all the time and reported effort consumed by the process. Good tunes but no new standards to measure them by. Of course we can measure them by their current songs, but that would be a step or two down the ladder for me.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 26, 2011, 07:22:45 PM
I have read the "no new album thread", but it's more a place of disappointment and critique, than end of U2-world visions. At least that's what remains in my (t)rusty memory. Of course this is not the end of U2, but it's been a frustrating 10 years for me as a U2 listener.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 07:42:25 PM


U2 are not over by any means.

U2 have not been a full time working band since the end of Zoo TV.

I don't think their side-projects affect U2's productivity.  (unless one assumes that without their side-projects the members of U2 would spend their off time working on specifically U2 projects.  I don't.)

I think we have to separate their future in terms of their concert tours and their studio albums.  Yes, they will keep touring because that's where the lion's share of their future income stream is; and yes, I think they will continue recording and releasing albums at a rate of one every four years or so, which for a band of their age seems reasonable to me.

Their future concert tours will be playing largely back catalogue tours with lots of hits and a few new songs thrown in, much like Vertigo and 360.  They will probably sound the same as they have done on 360, Vertigo, and Elevation, because like the Stones they have now firmly established their live sound.  They will continue to sell out venues which on future tours are likely to be arenas or a mixture of arenas and stadiums.  I doubt they will ever put together another Zoo TV or PopMart type show ever again.

Their future albums will (I hope) be focussed on making more original and innovative sounding music like much of NLOTH, and the band will be less concerned with commerciality because they know the day of mega album sales are well and truly over.  The Crazy/Boots/SUC trio on NLOTH was the last throw of the dice and they lost.  

I don't think that we'll ever see another Achtung Baby, Joshua Tree or Zooropa quality album ever again but they'll be good enough to keep their fans reasonably happy.
For those who hark back to the golden age- nobody can take their back catalogue away from you.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 26, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
Many glorify U2's past and talk about it as if it were a precedent for things to come from the band.

But you have to realize this:

-U2 are not as young as before, they are all past 50, are no longer hungry and are financially stable.

-The music industry has changed dramatically over the past decade.

When you add those two elements together, you will more or less figure out that it is over for all intents and purposes for U2.  That is why it is more important for them to be plotting their graceful exit.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 08:18:26 PM
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Many glorify U2's past and talk about it as if it were a precedent for things to come from the band.

So you wished they retired after Pop, then?

If that had happened you would have been deprived of your beloved ATYCLB.

If they had retired after HTDAAB, I would have been deprived of NLOTH- my 6th favourite U2 album.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 26, 2011, 09:04:49 PM
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Many glorify U2's past and talk about it as if it were a precedent for things to come from the band.

So you wished they retired after Pop, then?

If that had happened you would have been deprived of your beloved ATYCLB.

If they had retired after HTDAAB, I would have been deprived of NLOTH- my 6th favourite U2 album.




Pretty generous there.  NLOTH is my 12th favourite U2 album.

I think with the music industry now, the days of making a real "album" are over.  With the short attention span of the music listening public, they all want singles and no albums to be listened to from start to finish anymore.

Unless U2 will go and take this path, they are virtually over for all intents and purposes.

Cheers,

J

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 26, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
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Many glorify U2's past and talk about it as if it were a precedent for things to come from the band.

So you wished they retired after Pop, then?

If that had happened you would have been deprived of your beloved ATYCLB.

If they had retired after HTDAAB, I would have been deprived of NLOTH- my 6th favourite U2 album.






I think with the music industry now, the days of making a real "album" are over.  With the short attention span of the music listening public, they all want singles and no albums to be listened to from start to finish anymore.




Nobody seems to be telling that to all the artists who keep on releasing albums such as R.E.M or Radiohead, among many many others.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: hurricane hugo on March 26, 2011, 10:40:23 PM
U2 are OVER




in South America right now rockin' like bastards!

#@!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 26, 2011, 10:47:17 PM
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Nobody seems to be telling that to all the artists who keep on releasing albums such as R.E.M or Radiohead, among many many others.



REM and Radiohead are precisely the "has-beens" U2 are trying to avoid becoming.  They release albums with little fanfare, no one caring, little sales, and they would be lucky to even fill an arena at their prices.  If they charge U2 ticket prices, no one would even bother.  These are acts who used to be U2's peers but have gone on to irrelevance.

U2 have still managed to have a decent debut for NLOTH and are embarking on the biggest stadium tour in history now.  Apples and oranges.  To compare U2 to these "has-been" artists is an insult to them.  That is precisely why U2 probably will never release an album anytime in the near future.  They need to carefully plot their marketing, distribution, and selling methods to ensure they still are within their high standards and parameters.  They will never stoop down to the level of the two artists you just mentioned.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 26, 2011, 11:50:19 PM
Just to set the record straight, I didn't "pull rank" on UC, I just wanted to point out that a 20 year-old fan isn't really able to see with the same perspective as someone who has been following the band for more than 20 years. I enjoy hearing from the younger fans, but I do get cranky when I sense that they appear dismissive of the vantage point from which some of us can see things (and I am much younger than a lot of the veterans here).

That said, UC is a good bloke, and when we clash he's certainly a worthy opponent!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 12:58:55 AM
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Nobody seems to be telling that to all the artists who keep on releasing albums such as R.E.M or Radiohead, among many many others.



REM and Radiohead are precisely the "has-beens" U2 are trying to avoid becoming.  They release albums with little fanfare, no one caring, little sales, and they would be lucky to even fill an arena at their prices.  If they charge U2 ticket prices, no one would even bother.  These are acts who used to be U2's peers but have gone on to irrelevance.

U2 have still managed to have a decent debut for NLOTH and are embarking on the biggest stadium tour in history now.  Apples and oranges.  To compare U2 to these "has-been" artists is an insult to them.  That is precisely why U2 probably will never release an album anytime in the near future.  They need to carefully plot their marketing, distribution, and selling methods to ensure they still are within their high standards and parameters.  They will never stoop down to the level of the two artists you just mentioned.

Cheers,

J

This coming from someone who regards his favorite artist, Justin Bieber, as an artist who's career is mirroring that of U2.

Jick my friend, REM and Radiohead are not has-beens, and U2 regard both bands EXTREMELY highly. I know this for a fact, because when I met Bono I discussed these 2 artists with him as I am a big fan of both of them! Right now, I'm sure U2 would like to be where Radiohead and REM are at, able to record exciting new albums and release them quickly.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: lasteno on March 27, 2011, 01:24:26 AM
I agree 100% sice 2000 U2 is gone no more experimental sounds...  they are making more money than they did before 1999
I think that's the only reason that is keeping u2 toguether MONEYˇˇˇˇ

u2 360 is so boring it doesn't has a concept at allˇ it's like a circus but worst ...
Staring with beatifull day???? jajajaja it's so ridiculousˇˇˇ  sorry about my english I'm from mexico..... anyway

Bono Once said If we make 3 bad albums we are out.... well bono.... this is itˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇ

the last good thing they did risking their "everything" was POP 1997 after that everything is B.S....
money money more moneyˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇ

I'm going to the 360 shows in mexico city ... And I'm gonna take a flag that says "U2 PLEASE PLEASE RETIRED" ...
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: happyme on March 27, 2011, 03:45:42 AM
Really ( i know I'm going to cop it but) alot of u people seam nuts you call your self fans of u2 but then spend a lot of your time bagging them out.yes it Is frustrating about the albums & it is doing all our heads in,& yes thay Are getting older. (but aren't we all?) I agree thay take to long but as others have said at least their not like has beens Rem & that Radiohead were never that much of a big thing in oz(maybe 4 a little while but not now), at least there not acdc who just keep releasing the same album with a few new words every now & again then tour doing the same songs since the 80's & looking half dead.I love u2 no matter what & will continue to wait impatonaly, cause unlike a lot of you as here in oz have no live shows to look forward 2, we have a few years wait at best at least u get news were lucky to get any thing,I think that's why there so wormly received when they get here cause we know it will be along wait till that come back.that's just my opinion.be happy u don't have major has beens Bon jovi forced down your throat that's all we seam to be getting at the moment thay Are even do the ads for our national football Wich is very annoying (& there so ugly & taltent less)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 27, 2011, 04:06:07 AM
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E-Bow, you're a funny and obviously a passionate U2 fan.  I commend you.  I'm not sure it's entirely fair for Exile to pull rank on you as an (older) U2 fan, but at the same time he raises a good point.

There are some of us fans who, because we are +/- five or so years apart from the ages of most of the members of the band, were "there" right from the start.  Because of this, our "U2 experience" is obviously much different than fans born in later years.

The problem I have with this thesis, Professor, is really this one; while I hate doing this because it feels like trying to 'pull rank' on someone else's behalf, part of the reason that I'm a huge U2 fan i because my parents are. And my dad saw U2 in Dublin in 1978 when they were nobodies playing support for other nobodies, from tiny venue to tiny cramped venue- and including their famous first 'big' gig at The Stadium in Dublin. He's seen them every tour ever since, gotten every album- so his 'U2 experience' is greater even than that of 99% of U2 fans, greater even than those who have been there since Boy.  And he doesn't remotely share the sentiments of most people - including of the Exile and yourself- on this forum. His favourite songs are I Will Follow, 11 O'Clock Tick Tock and Bad, and he was disappointed to see them *not* play those- even though two of them are the much derided 'greatest hits' we hear so much about. And he had hoped for an album soon but is fine with not getting one, since we're still probably getting one faster than normal.

And to be honest, I think he's probably much more typical of long-term U2 fans than people on this forum. I think the vast majority of U2's oldest fans, of their most devoted fans, for that matter, probably don't go on forums and talk about them- or at least not much. I've spoken to lots of people in GA lines, too, who have been fans of U2 for decades, but have never felt the need to subscribe to a forum. People who have gone to dozens of concerts and want to see them play 'Beautiful Day' again because it's their favourite, or who think the 360 tour is better than, say, the ZooTV Tour, or whatever. I think that this false notion that because a lot of people on some forums want it, it MUST represent U2 fans, or even the hardcore of U2 fans, is a bit self-important of us. And the notion that 'I've seen more U2 concerts, so I better understand U2' or 'I've seen more tours, so I know U2 better'- or anything like that- is just attempts by people to make their own opinions seem more legitimate- much as mine may well be by invoking my dad. But I really don't think that The Exile is typical of most- or even many- of U2's most devoted fans. (Sorry Exile, I respect you a lot and like you despite our disagreements!) But that's okay- I know I'm not either, and neither are you, or satellitedog, or my dad, for that matter. We try and dress it up in high-minded arguments and try to present our opinions as based in evidence and fact, but ultimately, it's the simplest thing ever; we all want U2 to make lots of music that we like, and play lots of music that we like. And that's FAR more important than our individual 'U2 experience' or 'flexible setlists' or anything like that.

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Anyway, E-Bow, while I commend your passion for the band, I think that YOU miss some key points that others are making on all of these threads, and it's simply this: U2 doesn't seem to be embracing its own spirit of "U2-ness" these days.

Well, I didn't really *want* to start this debate here, to be honest. I think this is a very important and worthy discussion, but it's happening on lots of threads across the forum. What I was doing on this thread wasn't mocking the people with real, legitimate concerns here like The Exile- of which there are many - but satirising some of what I consider to be incredibly overblown hyperbole about something which isn't really all that surprising or new. It was intended to be alight break from the intensity around here these days, not the cause of more!

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One thing I'm curious about: how do you have so much time to participate in what seems to be EVERY forum thread on @U2?  You should be writing your own novels and making your own music instead (or at least in addition) instead of just spending time reading what others wrote about a band who has already had many years in the spotlight.

  

Don't worry, I'm doing plenty of other stuff as well!  :D I've just had a LOT of time this week having not been all that active here for a while and I'm making up for it! But I'm flattered by that- and also, incidentally, want to thank you. That was a much more thoughtful and interesting post than many here- and most posts here are already very thoughtful AND interesting so that's very high praise!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: boom boom on March 27, 2011, 07:21:10 AM
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Many glorify U2's past and talk about it as if it were a precedent for things to come from the band.

So you wished they retired after Pop, then?

If that had happened you would have been deprived of your beloved ATYCLB.

If they had retired after HTDAAB, I would have been deprived of NLOTH- my 6th favourite U2 album.





Pretty generous there.  NLOTH is my 12th favourite U2 album.

I think with the music industry now, the days of making a real "album" are over.  With the short attention span of the music listening public, they all want singles and no albums to be listened to from start to finish anymore.

Unless U2 will go and take this path, they are virtually over for all intents and purposes.

Cheers,

J



Wow, 12th favorite?  I'm a hardcore fan who got into U2 in the early 80's and first got to see them live in '84-UF Tour and seen every tour since, multiple times.   I think NLOTH is easily top 5(AB,JT,UF,War,NLOTH).  Easily better than at least POP and Zooropa.  As for making albums,  U2 are in a no win situation just because of the stage in their career they are in.   No matter what they do they will be criticized by critics and fans.  If they try to do something more experimental, people will just say it's sounds like AB or POP and they trying to compete and sound like some of these younger new bands.  A band who have been around for as long as they have will eventually start to sound like themselves and there is nothing wrong with that.  U2 should do what they want to and not what they think the public wants them to make.  If they want to experiment go for it or if they want to make an album of just straight up rock tunes like elevation and vertigo, go for it, because like you said the days of the "album" are over.  It's the era of hit singles and if  U2 want to try to make an album with singles, which I think is the direction they are heading as stated in past interviews by Bono, well that's okay with me too.  I like when U2 experiments but I also like the straight up rock tunes also like Vertigo, Elevation, ABY, SUC.  But it's safe to say, they are far from over.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 27, 2011, 09:24:04 AM
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This coming from someone who regards his favorite artist, Justin Bieber, as an artist who's career is mirroring that of U2.

Jick my friend, REM and Radiohead are not has-beens, and U2 regard both bands EXTREMELY highly. I know this for a fact, because when I met Bono I discussed these 2 artists with him as I am a big fan of both of them! Right now, I'm sure U2 would like to be where Radiohead and REM are at, able to record exciting new albums and release them quickly.

I never made declarations of Justin Bieber being my favorite artist. 

REM and Radiohead are has-beens.  Just because U2's opinion of them is high - that doesn't mean they still have clout, influence, or relevance in the music industry.  U2 still do have theirs but slowly slipping and fading.

So in summary, yes U2 are over and its time for them to plot a graceful exit without cheapening the brand they have built over the years or tarnishing their legacy.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 27, 2011, 09:47:29 AM
I'm sorry, but I think U2 deliberately position themselves outside of the current rock music scene, so they cannot be compared to any trends and bands, to avoid criticism and thus be labelled living legends instead of has beens. To be honest, Radiohead's artistic and career-building influence on other bands is likely much greater than that of U2, whether one likes their music or not.

REM are truly has beens commercially, but that is only because they took the chance when the pop-savvy and minded Bill Berry left to explore some new ideas. They refused to become what U2 have (creating classic sounding records for 3 more albums). They did not want to shackle themselves to hit singles, world tours and constantly comparing sizes with peers. I don't think they stand a chance anymore, or that their last three albums are game changing or career defining,  but they did what THEY wanted to do.

U2 probably did what the brand demanded them to do, and that was not measured in creativity and free musical expression, but their supposed mastery of pop songwriting. That didn't work out as well as they hoped, so I'm eager to hear where they go from here. They might even give up some more of the U2 sound to chase chart success. I'm waiting...
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 27, 2011, 10:56:36 AM
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I'm sorry, but I think U2 deliberately position themselves outside of the current rock music scene, so they cannot be compared to any trends and bands, to avoid criticism and thus be labelled living legends instead of has beens. To be honest, Radiohead's artistic and career-building influence on other bands is likely much greater than that of U2, whether one likes their music or not.

REM are truly has beens commercially, but that is only because they took the chance when the pop-savvy and minded Bill Berry left to explore some new ideas. They refused to become what U2 have (creating classic sounding records for 3 more albums). They did not want to shackle themselves to hit singles, world tours and constantly comparing sizes with peers. I don't think they stand a chance anymore, or that their last three albums are game changing or career defining,  but they did what THEY wanted to do.

U2 probably did what the brand demanded them to do, and that was not measured in creativity and free musical expression, but their supposed mastery of pop songwriting. That didn't work out as well as they hoped, so I'm eager to hear where they go from here. They might even give up some more of the U2 sound to chase chart success. I'm waiting...

While I agree to an extent, REM doing exactly what they wanted to do also led to them producing what they themselves call their worst album ever, and an album which they just really weren't that interested in. Their RETURN to form actually came when they deliberately started to echo what people loved about REM again.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 27, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
Well, that's how you connect with masses of people, give them what they liked about you all along. It's probably not easy to swallow if you want to do something new and unprecedented.

Actually U2 have done the right commercial moves up to No Line imo. but it might be a dangerous thing if they got trapped in the loop of balancing art and commercial appeal. It doesn't work. Also nowadays the challenges of the world U2 can reflect on are so malleable and complex it is harder to maintain a firm stance on either side while promoting a mass product.

Another thing I think hurts them is their past visibility so to say. I guess ATYCLB and Vertigo and the Vertigo tour got them media saturation, just like ZooTV and Popmart did, and people were either satisfied completely or overfed with the massive amounts of media presence. No Line might have suffered from this. 
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
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This coming from someone who regards his favorite artist, Justin Bieber, as an artist who's career is mirroring that of U2.

Jick my friend, REM and Radiohead are not has-beens, and U2 regard both bands EXTREMELY highly. I know this for a fact, because when I met Bono I discussed these 2 artists with him as I am a big fan of both of them! Right now, I'm sure U2 would like to be where Radiohead and REM are at, able to record exciting new albums and release them quickly.

I never made declarations of Justin Bieber being my favorite artist. 

REM and Radiohead are has-beens.  Just because U2's opinion of them is high - that doesn't mean they still have clout, influence, or relevance in the music industry.  U2 still do have theirs but slowly slipping and fading.

So in summary, yes U2 are over and its time for them to plot a graceful exit without cheapening the brand they have built over the years or tarnishing their legacy.

Cheers,

J


I did not say it did mean that. Prove to me Jick, in your seemingly infinite wisdom, that Radiohead are has beens? What is a has been in your mind? Someone who releases an very high standard album of new material, or a band playing a greatest hits tour who are not releasing anything for at least another 6-8 months?

Im not saying U2 are has-beens, I do not think their career is over. Yes, both Radiohead's and U2's career's are probably in their twilight years, but I do not regard either of them as has-beens, as you so eloquently put it.

Anyways, what's wrong with has-beens? The Beatles are has beens and their albums still sell very well and their music and influence is still relevant today.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 11:54:27 AM
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Nobody seems to be telling that to all the artists who keep on releasing albums such as R.E.M or Radiohead, among many many others.



REM and Radiohead are precisely the "has-beens" U2 are trying to avoid becoming.  They release albums with little fanfare, no one caring, little sales, and they would be lucky to even fill an arena at their prices.  If they charge U2 ticket prices, no one would even bother.  These are acts who used to be U2's peers but have gone on to irrelevance.

U2 have still managed to have a decent debut for NLOTH and are embarking on the biggest stadium tour in history now.  Apples and oranges.  To compare U2 to these "has-been" artists is an insult to them.  That is precisely why U2 probably will never release an album anytime in the near future.  They need to carefully plot their marketing, distribution, and selling methods to ensure they still are within their high standards and parameters.  They will never stoop down to the level of the two artists you just mentioned.

Cheers,

J

Now I know you're either deluded or just being provocative.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Bads316 on March 27, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
^ NOW you know?  :D
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: xy on March 27, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
I appreciate the irony of the original poster. There is too much drama about U2 on the internet...always has been.

I remember the "sell outs!" cries with ATYCLB and HTDAAB and NLOTH. The critisisms of 3rd leg Elevation setlists. And Vertigo setlists. And 360 setlists.

First off, can we drop the "I was a U2 fan first so I know them better"  attitude ? Every big fan knows their story period. And every *real fan* (another precious invention by the internet couch critics) should know the $$ was never the ultimate goal, or U2 absolutely has no idea how to get it. If you haven't been satisfied with the albums and/or tours since 2000...well, there is always the option of moving on. There are other bands. The majority of internet U2 fans are 90's fanatics so it's not at all surprising they dislike the 00's U2. It would appear the worldwide U2 audience doesn't share that opinion.

Second, U2 is not REM (who haven't been the same band since Bill Berry left) or Radiohead (who manage to get more press for the "innovative" release methods rather than the actual music), and they operate differently. However all of them are making exactly the music they want.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 12:28:55 PM
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^ NOW you know?  :D

What can I say; I'm good at suspending my disbelief.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 01:02:39 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think U2 deliberately position themselves outside of the current rock music scene, so they cannot be compared to any trends and bands, to avoid criticism and thus be labelled living legends instead of has beens. To be honest, Radiohead's artistic and career-building influence on other bands is likely much greater than that of U2, whether one likes their music or not.

REM are truly has beens commercially, but that is only because they took the chance when the pop-savvy and minded Bill Berry left to explore some new ideas. They refused to become what U2 have (creating classic sounding records for 3 more albums). They did not want to shackle themselves to hit singles, world tours and constantly comparing sizes with peers. I don't think they stand a chance anymore, or that their last three albums are game changing or career defining,  but they did what THEY wanted to do.

U2 probably did what the brand demanded them to do, and that was not measured in creativity and free musical expression, but their supposed mastery of pop songwriting. That didn't work out as well as they hoped, so I'm eager to hear where they go from here. They might even give up some more of the U2 sound to chase chart success. I'm waiting...

While I agree to an extent, REM doing exactly what they wanted to do also led to them producing what they themselves call their worst album ever, and an album which they just really weren't that interested in.

Which were they?

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Their RETURN to form actually came when they deliberately started to echo what people loved about REM again.

They've collapsed into now the sounds of their entire career.

I wouldn't have a problem with U2 making a similar album, but only if it is infused with sounds from ALL their past music.  And I wouldn't have a problem with Lanois and Eno producing that album.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: xy on March 27, 2011, 01:14:23 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think U2 deliberately position themselves outside of the current rock music scene, so they cannot be compared to any trends and bands, to avoid criticism and thus be labelled living legends instead of has beens. To be honest, Radiohead's artistic and career-building influence on other bands is likely much greater than that of U2, whether one likes their music or not.

REM are truly has beens commercially, but that is only because they took the chance when the pop-savvy and minded Bill Berry left to explore some new ideas. They refused to become what U2 have (creating classic sounding records for 3 more albums). They did not want to shackle themselves to hit singles, world tours and constantly comparing sizes with peers. I don't think they stand a chance anymore, or that their last three albums are game changing or career defining,  but they did what THEY wanted to do.

U2 probably did what the brand demanded them to do, and that was not measured in creativity and free musical expression, but their supposed mastery of pop songwriting. That didn't work out as well as they hoped, so I'm eager to hear where they go from here. They might even give up some more of the U2 sound to chase chart success. I'm waiting...

While I agree to an extent, REM doing exactly what they wanted to do also led to them producing what they themselves call their worst album ever, and an album which they just really weren't that interested in.

Which were they?

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Their RETURN to form actually came when they deliberately started to echo what people loved about REM again.



I wouldn't have a problem with U2 making a similar album, but only if it is infused with sounds from ALL their past music.  And I wouldn't have a problem with Lanois and Eno producing that album.



Then I guess you don't have a problem with NLOTH ?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 27, 2011, 01:18:52 PM
Or Bomb...
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 01:21:36 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think U2 deliberately position themselves outside of the current rock music scene, so they cannot be compared to any trends and bands, to avoid criticism and thus be labelled living legends instead of has beens. To be honest, Radiohead's artistic and career-building influence on other bands is likely much greater than that of U2, whether one likes their music or not.

REM are truly has beens commercially, but that is only because they took the chance when the pop-savvy and minded Bill Berry left to explore some new ideas. They refused to become what U2 have (creating classic sounding records for 3 more albums). They did not want to shackle themselves to hit singles, world tours and constantly comparing sizes with peers. I don't think they stand a chance anymore, or that their last three albums are game changing or career defining,  but they did what THEY wanted to do.

U2 probably did what the brand demanded them to do, and that was not measured in creativity and free musical expression, but their supposed mastery of pop songwriting. That didn't work out as well as they hoped, so I'm eager to hear where they go from here. They might even give up some more of the U2 sound to chase chart success. I'm waiting...

While I agree to an extent, REM doing exactly what they wanted to do also led to them producing what they themselves call their worst album ever, and an album which they just really weren't that interested in.

Which were they?

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Their RETURN to form actually came when they deliberately started to echo what people loved about REM again.



I wouldn't have a problem with U2 making a similar album, but only if it is infused with sounds from ALL their past music.  And I wouldn't have a problem with Lanois and Eno producing that album.



Then I guess you don't have a problem with NLOTH ?

Absolutely not.  NLOTH is one of my top 6 U2 albums and for the first year of its release I considered it their best album since Achtung Baby.

I would have preferred a more cohesive sound, but even I enjoy listening to I'll Go Crazy.  I like to think Crazy Boots SUC were their last concession to commerciality.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
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Or Bomb...

I don't hear elements of the sound of AB, JT, TUF, Zooropa, Pop, R&H, in Bomb.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: xy on March 27, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think U2 deliberately position themselves outside of the current rock music scene, so they cannot be compared to any trends and bands, to avoid criticism and thus be labelled living legends instead of has beens. To be honest, Radiohead's artistic and career-building influence on other bands is likely much greater than that of U2, whether one likes their music or not.

REM are truly has beens commercially, but that is only because they took the chance when the pop-savvy and minded Bill Berry left to explore some new ideas. They refused to become what U2 have (creating classic sounding records for 3 more albums). They did not want to shackle themselves to hit singles, world tours and constantly comparing sizes with peers. I don't think they stand a chance anymore, or that their last three albums are game changing or career defining,  but they did what THEY wanted to do.

U2 probably did what the brand demanded them to do, and that was not measured in creativity and free musical expression, but their supposed mastery of pop songwriting. That didn't work out as well as they hoped, so I'm eager to hear where they go from here. They might even give up some more of the U2 sound to chase chart success. I'm waiting...

While I agree to an extent, REM doing exactly what they wanted to do also led to them producing what they themselves call their worst album ever, and an album which they just really weren't that interested in.

Which were they?

Quote
Their RETURN to form actually came when they deliberately started to echo what people loved about REM again.



I wouldn't have a problem with U2 making a similar album, but only if it is infused with sounds from ALL their past music.  And I wouldn't have a problem with Lanois and Eno producing that album.



Then I guess you don't have a problem with NLOTH ?

Absolutely not.  NLOTH is one of my top 6 U2 albums and for the first year of its release I considered it their best album since Achtung Baby.

I would have preferred a more cohesive sound, but even I enjoy listening to I'll Go Crazy.  I like to think Crazy Boots SUC were their last concession to commerciality.



I would have preferred a more clear lyrical approach from Bono. I think their best work - UF, JT, AB - relies as much on him, as it does on the Edge (who clearly isn't trying very hard for the last 3 albums). In the company of good song collections and bad albums, NLOTH is the best work since AB. I truly do think they can do better than the post AB records.

I never hated Crazy SUC, but Boots is the weakest link on the album and a terrible lead single.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 27, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
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the Edge (who clearly isn't trying very hard for the last 3 albums).


Vertigo is musically striking, and was very fresh sounding for U2 at the time. A Man And A Woman was also very unique sounding. The last half of Crumbs From Your Table is the best guitar Edge has done since The Fly.

Beautiful Day, Kite, When I Look At The World, Grace, Stuck In A Moment and New York are musically striking from ATYCLB.

Fez - Being Born and Cedars Of Lebanon also stand out on NLOTH.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: xy on March 27, 2011, 01:45:34 PM
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the Edge (who clearly isn't trying very hard for the last 3 albums).


Vertigo is musically striking, and was very fresh sounding for U2 at the time. A Man And A Woman was also very unique sounding. The last half of Crumbs From Your Table is the best guitar Edge has done since The Fly.

Beautiful Day, Kite, When I Look At The World, Grace, Stuck In A Moment and New York are musically striking from ATYCLB.

Fez - Being Born and Cedars Of Lebanon also stand out on NLOTH.

Vertigo was nice, and arguably the single most memorable and genuinely fresh guitar from him. Honourable mention IALW and White as snow.

A man and a woman sounds like the glossy pop they were working on ATYCLB. Crumbs is circa JT U2/meets Wak on. BD owes to Eno's synth more than anything else. Kite is a throw back to JT U2. WILATW - 90's guitar. Grace is boring by his standards. NY is verses reminscent of UF era U2 with a 90's U2 chorus guitar.

FEZ is Zooropa U2 mixed up with UF U2. Cedars of Lebanon strikes me as Pop era U2.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 01:54:02 PM
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the Edge (who clearly isn't trying very hard for the last 3 albums).


Vertigo is musically striking, and was very fresh sounding for U2 at the time.

It's so striking that it has featured in an episode of CSI.  I mean, like, how cool is that, dude? 

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A Man And A Woman was also very unique sounding.

It is 'unique sounding' for U2 and it sounds like a Chris Rea song.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 27, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
So what exactly would The Edge need to do to satisfy you, xy? They have 12 albums, 30 years of history, and at least 200 songs released. The man can only do so much.

I also do not hear several of the comparisons you make. Especially Cedars. If that had shown up on Pop it would have stood out like a sore thumb. The closest from that album it comes to sounding like is Wake Up Dead Man and even then, they are two entirely different sounds: WUDM is twangy, off kilter acoustic guitar and warbly vocals. CoL is ambient synth and noise with subtle guitar/drumming and nearly spoken word whispered vocals mixed with a falsetto, tender chorus.

Also, Grace is one of very few songs of U2's that is led almost entirely by a bass line.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: xy on March 27, 2011, 01:57:12 PM
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So what exactly would The Edge need to do to satisfy you, xy? They have 12 albums, 30 years of history, and at least 200 songs released. The man can only do so much.

I also do not hear several of the comparisons you make. Especially Cedars. If that had shown up on Pop it would have stood out like a sore thumb. The closest from that album it comes to sounding like is Wake Up Dead Man and even then, they are two entirely different sounds: WUDM is twangy, off kilter acoustic guitar and warbly vocals. CoL is ambient synth and noise with subtle guitar/drumming and nearly spoken word whispered vocals mixed with a falsetto, tender chorus.

Dropping the cliche rock-star riffs would be a good start. And laying off the vintage chimes. It was the point, I suppose, to get back to classic U2 sounds on Bomb. On NLOTH it's getting boring.

There is more to The Edge than that, and I know he can prove it, he just needs to come up with some new ideas.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 01:59:48 PM
What I'd give for the return of the ISHFWILF guitars sound.



Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 27, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
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What I'd give for the return of the ISHFWILF guitars sound.





Walk On and Unknown Caller have essentially the identical riff as ISHFWILF.

I found NLOTH far from boring, Unknown Caller aside.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
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What I'd give for the return of the ISHFWILF guitars sound.





Walk On and Unknown Caller have essentially the identical riff as ISHFWILF.


I wasn't referring to the 'riff'.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 27, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
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I did not say it did mean that. Prove to me Jick, in your seemingly infinite wisdom, that Radiohead are has beens? What is a has been in your mind? Someone who releases an very high standard album of new material, or a band playing a greatest hits tour who are not releasing anything for at least another 6-8 months?

Im not saying U2 are has-beens, I do not think their career is over. Yes, both Radiohead's and U2's career's are probably in their twilight years, but I do not regard either of them as has-beens, as you so eloquently put it.

Anyways, what's wrong with has-beens? The Beatles are has beens and their albums still sell very well and their music and influence is still relevant today.


Radiohead recorded Creep which was a massive hit then followed it up with High And Dry.  Ever since then they have faded into obscurity and only the hardcore musical snobs "get" their music.  Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album? How much attendance do they get in their shows?  How are ticket prices and frequency of touring?

The Beatles never had time to be has-beens.  They broke up at their peak and had a short career.  U2, on the other hand, have a career spanning over 30 years with the same members and still keeping their relevance and clout to this day with their soldout stadium shows.  If the Beatles stayed on for 30 years, could they have been still selling stadiums that late in their career?  Or would they be tired old popstars doing Vegas and club shows?  We'll never know.  But U2 are special and different from any other band in that regard.

But three decades is a long time and we all want to avoid seeing U2 become tired old popstars who are nostalgia acts and can't sell any new albums and totally lose their relevance.  U2 are almost over but we want that exit to be a graceful one so as not to damage their great legacy and image they have built over the years.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 04:32:41 PM
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I did not say it did mean that. Prove to me Jick, in your seemingly infinite wisdom, that Radiohead are has beens? What is a has been in your mind? Someone who releases an very high standard album of new material, or a band playing a greatest hits tour who are not releasing anything for at least another 6-8 months?

Im not saying U2 are has-beens, I do not think their career is over. Yes, both Radiohead's and U2's career's are probably in their twilight years, but I do not regard either of them as has-beens, as you so eloquently put it.

Anyways, what's wrong with has-beens? The Beatles are has beens and their albums still sell very well and their music and influence is still relevant today.


Radiohead recorded Creep which was a massive hit then followed it up with High And Dry.  Ever since then they have faded into obscurity and only the hardcore musical snobs "get" their music.  Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album? How much attendance do they get in their shows?  How are ticket prices and frequency of touring?

The Beatles never had time to be has-beens.  They broke up at their peak and had a short career.  U2, on the other hand, have a career spanning over 30 years with the same members and still keeping their relevance and clout to this day with their soldout stadium shows.  If the Beatles stayed on for 30 years, could they have been still selling stadiums that late in their career?  Or would they be tired old popstars doing Vegas and club shows?  We'll never know.  But U2 are special and different from any other band in that regard.

But three decades is a long time and we all want to avoid seeing U2 become tired old popstars who are nostalgia acts and can't sell any new albums and totally lose their relevance.  U2 are almost over but we want that exit to be a graceful one so as not to damage their great legacy and image they have built over the years.

Cheers,

J

So, Im a hardcore 'snob' beacuse I happen to love and 'get' Radiohead's music eh. Well that then Jick makes you ignorant I'm afraid. (Sorry mods for getting personal, but he got personal first  :P)

Have you ever even tried listening to their heartfelt lyrics and innovative music? You obviously have not, so do not make statements like "they have faded into obscurity since one of their early singles' Ridiculous to say this. -  You may not like them, or their music, Im not saying you have to, each to their own tastes, but to say a band faded into obscurity releasing albums such as OK Computer, Kid A, Hail To The Thief and King Of Limbs is just nonsense I'm afraid.

Your last statement I agree with - but you have not redeemed yourself, sorry.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Boom Cha! on March 27, 2011, 04:47:42 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 27, 2011, 04:52:55 PM
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Exile, have a beer and cheer up, mate!

U2's gonna do something surprising one of these days SOON.


Ha ha, I like your attitude. To quote G.K. Chesterton: "Drink. But only because you're happy, never because you're sad."
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 27, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 27, 2011, 05:02:29 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

Yea, and the first RH album to hit #1 on the US charts <i believe> plus Karma Police was a much more succesful single then High and Dry. So i dont know where he's getting that they became irrelevant after H&D..........


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 27, 2011, 05:02:50 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 05:04:14 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 27, 2011, 05:05:04 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

Maybe he's confusing them with "Talkingheads."
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 05:05:48 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

Maybe he's confusing them with "Talkingheads."

Did you get my messages Ex?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 27, 2011, 05:12:19 PM
maybe i'm biased <and def not a music snob, though i am opinionated> but i think their relevance has grown exponentially since H&D hit the airwaves, peaking during the Kid A/Amnesiac days
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
Can we please now stop this U2 thread from being hijacked by the Radiohead brigade. 

Thank You.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 27, 2011, 05:21:14 PM
The Radiohead brigade is over!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 27, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
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Did you get my messages Ex?

Yep, just replied. Sorry it took so long!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 27, 2011, 05:24:05 PM
As dismal as POP was, it was still the 1997 album of the year in my books - easily beating Radiohead's OK Computer or Dylan's Time Out Of Mind.

U2 should be measured based on their own standards and not other people's standards.

That is why I find it ridiculous to compare U2 to has-been acts.  For me, if U2 can no longer meet their high standards, they should call it a day.  And no way are they jealous of Radiohead.  That is just absurd.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 27, 2011, 05:25:21 PM
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As dismal as POP was, it was still the 1997 album of the year in my books - easily beating Radiohead's OK Computer

absurd

Cheers,


DS
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
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As dismal as POP was, it was still the 1997 album of the year in my books - easily beating Radiohead's OK Computer or Dylan's Time Out Of Mind.

U2 should be measured based on their own standards and not other people's standards.

That is why I find it ridiculous to compare U2 to has-been acts.  For me, if U2 can no longer meet their high standards, they should call it a day.  And no way are they jealous of Radiohead.  That is just absurd.

Cheers,

J


And just like clockwork..........

And I never measured U2's standards to Radioheads. And I never even implied that U2 would be remotely jealous of Radiohead. Where do you get this stuff Jick?

You don't seem to able to handle the fact that someone can like both bands. And again, they are not has-beens
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 27, 2011, 05:36:45 PM
in response to Dice:

Okay. I have to get back to Bomb a bit anyway.
Bomb had all the elements of previous U2 music (minus the sonics of Pop) The Joshua Tree was represented by City of Blinding Lights and Yahweh and TUF era U2 got an homage from A Man and a Woman (similar in mood and general feel to Love Comes Tumbling).  Crumbs was a younger brother to Gone, Love and Peace was a modernized (Achtung esque) R&H blues, Vertigo carried the legacy of Boy, Miracle Drug and Original of the species were the modern classicist pop U2 with more sophisticated song structures but mainstream sounds. All Because of You  is an odd one, reminiscent of the Who and stuff U2 wrote during the changeover from R&H and AB. Sometimes is both a modern and Zooropa era reminiscent classic. One Step follows in the footprints of The First Time's and Grace's minimalism to an underwhelming result. So I guess Bomb is very much a sausage of a U2 album.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: jick on March 27, 2011, 05:38:55 PM
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And just like clockwork..........

And I never measured U2's standards to Radioheads. And I never even implied that U2 would be remotely jealous of Radiohead. Where do you get this stuff Jick?

You don't seem to able to handle the fact that someone can like both bands. And again, they are not has-beens

I never singled you out.  One post here stated: "It's possible U2 is jealous, for all we know, of Radiohead's freedom given that U2 is still saddled into a multi-record contract."

And yes, I do love Radiohead.  "Creep" is one of the great anthems of my generation.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 05:40:05 PM
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And just like clockwork..........

And I never measured U2's standards to Radioheads. And I never even implied that U2 would be remotely jealous of Radiohead. Where do you get this stuff Jick?

You don't seem to able to handle the fact that someone can like both bands. And again, they are not has-beens

I never singled you out.  One post here stated: "It's possible U2 is jealous, for all we know, of Radiohead's freedom given that U2 is still saddled into a multi-record contract."

And yes, I do love Radiohead.  "Creep" is one of the great anthems of my generation.

Cheers,

J


I give up  ???
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 27, 2011, 05:41:33 PM
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in response to Dice:

Okay. I have to get back to Bomb a bit anyway.
Bomb had all the elements of previous U2 music (minus the sonics of Pop) The Joshua Tree was represented by City of Blinding Lights

the majority of your post has me confused but what is it about COBL that makes you think its JT like?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 27, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
First, to clear it up, I forgot to answer a comment on Bomb a couple of pages ago, wanted to clear that up.

Second, City of Blinding Lights is very much an attempt at a Streets like anthem. It's a great tune, but it still sounds like a descendant of Streets.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 27, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
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First, to clear it up, I forgot to answer a comment on Bomb a couple of pages ago, wanted to clear that up.

Second, City of Blinding Lights is very much an attempt at a Streets like anthem. It's a great tune, but it still sounds like a descendant of Streets.

Who cares what its ancestry is, a great song is a great song and, in fact, I think it's even better than its illustrious ancestor.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 27, 2011, 06:39:53 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

I was lol-ing Kid A being named Best Album of the 00s. It's unlistenable.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 27, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

I was lol-ing Kid A being named Best Album of the 00s. It's unlistenable.

lol
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 07:53:05 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

I was lol-ing Kid A being named Best Album of the 00s. It's unlistenable.

I know you were, and I know you don't like them, but at least you do not make ridiculous comments about them and sometimes respect other peoples choices, or am I wrong and are you also not democratic like Jick?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 27, 2011, 09:42:16 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

I was lol-ing Kid A being named Best Album of the 00s. It's unlistenable.

I know you were, and I know you don't like them, but at least you do not make ridiculous comments about them and sometimes respect other peoples choices, or am I wrong and are you also not democratic like Jick?

And I didn't bring up Kid A being voted best album of the '00s because it's good, but to refute Jick's assertion that post-Creep Radiohead are has-beens.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 27, 2011, 11:10:48 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

I was lol-ing Kid A being named Best Album of the 00s. It's unlistenable.

I know you were, and I know you don't like them, but at least you do not make ridiculous comments about them and sometimes respect other peoples choices, or am I wrong and are you also not democratic like Jick?

I absolutely respect people who like Kid A. I just can't fathom it being considered the best album of the last decade.

And I do actually like The Bends and OK Computer. I just haven't liked anything of theirs since then.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 27, 2011, 11:37:32 PM
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Any artist or peer openly admitting to a recent Radiohead album influencing them?  Any awards (Grammies) or recognition for a recent Radiohead album?

There are numerous artists out there that praise recent works by Radiohead.

And, to answer your second question, In Rainbows (2009) won Best Alternative Album. So, there, now that you know Radiohead won a Grammy I guess it's ok for you to like them.  ::)

And wasn't Kid A voted best album of the '00s by Rolling Stone?

lol

Yeah, Jick really got his facts straight regarding Radiohead eh?

I was lol-ing Kid A being named Best Album of the 00s. It's unlistenable.

I know you were, and I know you don't like them, but at least you do not make ridiculous comments about them and sometimes respect other peoples choices, or am I wrong and are you also not democratic like Jick?

I absolutely respect people who like Kid A. I just can't fathom it being considered the best album of the last decade.

And I do actually like The Bends and OK Computer. I just haven't liked anything of theirs since then.

Niether can I - Hail To The Thief and In Rainbows were far better  :D
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on March 27, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
I'm replying to a post on the first page, but what I think gets lost in this is that the only reason both the 360 tour and the Vertigo tour continued extremely late and "dragged on" was an entire leg had to be cancelled because of a personal emergency (Bono's back surgery and Edge's daughter's illness)  Its not like they've scheduled years of dates when the tour was announced
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on March 28, 2011, 12:14:48 AM
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First, to clear it up, I forgot to answer a comment on Bomb a couple of pages ago, wanted to clear that up.

Second, City of Blinding Lights is very much an attempt at a Streets like anthem. It's a great tune, but it still sounds like a descendant of Streets.

Who cares what its ancestry is, a great song is a great song and, in fact, I think it's even better than its illustrious ancestor.

This must be the first time I agree with you, TD.  People think I'm crazy when I say City of Blinding Lights is better than Streets  :D
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 28, 2011, 12:16:57 AM
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I'm replying to a post on the first page, but what I think gets lost in this is that the only reason both the 360 tour and the Vertigo tour continued extremely late and "dragged on" was an entire leg had to be cancelled because of a personal emergency (Bono's back surgery and Edge's daughter's illness)  Its not like they've scheduled years of dates when the tour was announced

Yes, of course. But given the situation of U2 having to complete a leg of this tour a full year later than scheduled, and given the amount of down-time they've had, they should have taken the opportunity to make this final leg special by releasing an EP or something and integrating even a few of those songs into their shows. It was a great chance they had to do something special, but they seem to have settled for ordinary.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 04:13:05 AM
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Or Bomb...

I don't hear elements of the sound of AB, JT, TUF, Zooropa, Pop, R&H, in Bomb.




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First, to clear it up, I forgot to answer a comment on Bomb a couple of pages ago, wanted to clear that up.

Second, City of Blinding Lights is very much an attempt at a Streets like anthem. It's a great tune, but it still sounds like a descendant of Streets.

Who cares what its ancestry is, a great song is a great song and, in fact, I think it's even better than its illustrious ancestor.




Sorry Dice but your reply seems random... The relation was brought up because of your above quoted post from page 3.  Anyway, I'm bored by Streets only slightly less than Beautiful Day (well I don't hate it like I hate BD) and I also prefer City. It's one of the few great U2 songs of the '00s.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 11:38:17 AM
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Or Bomb...

I don't hear elements of the sound of AB, JT, TUF, Zooropa, Pop, R&H, in Bomb.




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First, to clear it up, I forgot to answer a comment on Bomb a couple of pages ago, wanted to clear that up.

Second, City of Blinding Lights is very much an attempt at a Streets like anthem. It's a great tune, but it still sounds like a descendant of Streets.

Who cares what its ancestry is, a great song is a great song and, in fact, I think it's even better than its illustrious ancestor.




Sorry Dice but your reply seems random... The relation was brought up because of your above quoted post from page 3.  Anyway, I'm bored by Streets only slightly less than Beautiful Day (well I don't hate it like I hate BD) and I also prefer City. It's one of the few great U2 songs of the '00s.

I was referring to elements of the 'sound' from those albums I mentioned.

COBL doesn't 'sound' like Streets to me although I see the similarities in song structure.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
Alright. Yeah, the sound is always somewhat dependent on the producers and the year it's recorded in, and what approach Edge is choosing at the given moment. I strongly dislike the artificial sheen of Eno/Lanois produced albums by the way.

The way the songs themselves were combed together for Bomb is pretty much like how Edge described their songwriting sessions, that when they start playing in a room, they come up with songs that are reminiscent of any and all eras of U2 and that time they likely just kept the best tunes of the sessions to keep the essence of what U2 is about. 
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 28, 2011, 12:11:52 PM
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Alright. Yeah, the sound is always somewhat dependent on the producers and the year it's recorded in, and what approach Edge is choosing at the given moment. I strongly dislike the artificial sheen of Eno/Lanois produced albums by the way.

The way the songs themselves were combed together for Bomb is pretty much like how Edge described their songwriting sessions, that when they start playing in a room, they come up with songs that are reminiscent of any and all eras of U2 and that time they likely just kept the best tunes of the sessions to keep the essence of what U2 is about. 

The problem is that HTDAAB is generally considered by fans to be relatively weak.

I LOVE the Eno sheen. Achtung, Zooropa and The Unforgettable Fire have this wonderful mood to their sound.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: So Cruel on March 28, 2011, 12:20:22 PM
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Alright. Yeah, the sound is always somewhat dependent on the producers and the year it's recorded in, and what approach Edge is choosing at the given moment. I strongly dislike the artificial sheen of Eno/Lanois produced albums by the way.

The way the songs themselves were combed together for Bomb is pretty much like how Edge described their songwriting sessions, that when they start playing in a room, they come up with songs that are reminiscent of any and all eras of U2 and that time they likely just kept the best tunes of the sessions to keep the essence of what U2 is about. 

The problem is that HTDAAB is generally considered by fans to be relatively weak.

I LOVE the Eno sheen. Achtung, Zooropa and The Unforgettable Fire have this wonderful mood to their sound.

Considering HTDAAB sold more then double what NLOTH sold, I would disagree with you. It's really only some of the very hardcore fans that like NLOTH more then HTDAAB.

Personally I think that Bomb is much better then No Line
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 28, 2011, 12:23:50 PM
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Alright. Yeah, the sound is always somewhat dependent on the producers and the year it's recorded in, and what approach Edge is choosing at the given moment. I strongly dislike the artificial sheen of Eno/Lanois produced albums by the way.

The way the songs themselves were combed together for Bomb is pretty much like how Edge described their songwriting sessions, that when they start playing in a room, they come up with songs that are reminiscent of any and all eras of U2 and that time they likely just kept the best tunes of the sessions to keep the essence of what U2 is about. 

The problem is that HTDAAB is generally considered by fans to be relatively weak.

I LOVE the Eno sheen. Achtung, Zooropa and The Unforgettable Fire have this wonderful mood to their sound.

Considering HTDAAB sold more then double what NLOTH sold, I would disagree with you. It's really only some of the very hardcore fans that like NLOTH more then HTDAAB.

Personally I think that Bomb is much better then No Line

HTDAAB sold more because a) more people still bought albums in 2004 than in 2009 b) the monster success of Vertigo and c) the goodwill left over from ATYCLB.

I see the sales drop of NLOTH to be attributable not only to changing music markets, but also partially due to dissatisfaction with HTDAAB. If HTDAAB was as liked as you propose, why wouldn't those people have rushed out and bought NLOTH?

I think HTDAAB lost more fans that it gained.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
The Eno sheen was fine with TUF and TJT but I consider the '90s albums the sound of Flood rather than Eno. He used his own methods and techniques which gave results I prefer to the plasticy cleanness of ATYCLB and NoLine. It was very obvious Eno/Lanois' (or the band's to be fair) production's messing with the energy of the tunes right from the moment I heard the early live version of the title track from Dublin HQ. The song came alive and became better than the album track.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 28, 2011, 12:48:31 PM
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The Eno sheen was fine with TUF and TJT but I consider the '90s albums the sound of Flood rather than Eno. He used his own methods and techniques which gave results I prefer to the plasticy cleanness of ATYCLB and NoLine. It was very obvious Eno/Lanois' (or the band's to be fair) production's messing with the energy of the tunes right from the moment I heard the early live version of the title track from Dublin HQ. The song came alive and became better than the album track.

Agree with this, totally!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 28, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
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If HTDAAB was as liked as you propose, why wouldn't those people have rushed out and bought NLOTH?


BECAUSE THESE GUYS WAIT FIVE YEARS BETWEEN RELEASING ALBUMS NOW!!!!

At the rate they're going, the demographic they're trying to reach with each album will only be in kindergarten when they enter the studio, so they'll have to do a good job anticipating what kind of music those 5 year-olds will like when they turn 12 and the albums gets released.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: So Cruel on March 28, 2011, 01:40:41 PM
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If HTDAAB was as liked as you propose, why wouldn't those people have rushed out and bought NLOTH?


BECAUSE THESE GUYS WAIT FIVE YEARS BETWEEN RELEASING ALBUMS NOW!!!!

At the rate they're going, the demographic they're trying to reach with each album will only be in kindergarten when they enter the studio, so they'll have to do a good job anticipating what kind of music those 5 year-olds will like when they turn 12 and the albums gets released.

Exactly. Also consider that albums are sold by 1) word of mouth. one person likes the records and tells others or plays it when they are around or 2) a great single which is heard lots on the radio.

To get to over 10 million in sales an album would need both of these. Bomb had it.

No Line didn't. 1st single was the worst of their career. 2nd single, Magnificant, did nothing, same for Crazy. I can honestly say I have not once heard Magnificant or Crazy on the radio.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 28, 2011, 02:25:05 PM
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If HTDAAB was as liked as you propose, why wouldn't those people have rushed out and bought NLOTH?


BECAUSE THESE GUYS WAIT FIVE YEARS BETWEEN RELEASING ALBUMS NOW!!!!

That seems a bit of an overreaction for something which has happened a grand total of once and almost certainly won't be happening again in the near future. I return again to my earlier note about hyperbole. There is no trend at all of releases getting steadily slower as they go on, except that they are slower as a whole in the 1993-2010 period than previously. The gap before HTDAAB was smaller than the gap before Pop. The NLOTH gap was unusually long due to the extension of the Vertigo Tour.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 02:32:58 PM
Please don't count Passengers out Caller...
It was a U2 release as far as fans are concerned and all the friends' friends knew about it, Miss Sarajevo too was actually a popular tune with a video on MTV that got decent airplay, so non fans got to see U2 in '95. It wasn't a U2 album by name, but it was well known.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 02:35:51 PM
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If HTDAAB was as liked as you propose, why wouldn't those people have rushed out and bought NLOTH?


BECAUSE THESE GUYS WAIT FIVE YEARS BETWEEN RELEASING ALBUMS NOW!!!!
The NLOTH gap was unusually long due to the extension of the Vertigo Tour.

...and the need to over-think and tinker with the album.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 28, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
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Please don't count Passengers out Caller...
It was a U2 release as far as fans are concerned and all the friends' friends knew about it, Miss Sarajevo too was actually a popular tune with a video on MTV that got decent airplay, so non fans got to see U2 in '95. It wasn't a U2 album by name, but it was well known.

I'll count Passengers if you'll count Spider-Man!  ;)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 02:38:45 PM
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Please don't count Passengers out Caller...
It was a U2 release as far as fans are concerned and all the friends' friends knew about it, Miss Sarajevo too was actually a popular tune with a video on MTV that got decent airplay, so non fans got to see U2 in '95. It wasn't a U2 album by name, but it was well known.

I was aware of it but I didn't think of it as a bona fide U2 album, which is probably why I didn't buy it.

 
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 02:40:51 PM
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Please don't count Passengers out Caller...
It was a U2 release as far as fans are concerned and all the friends' friends knew about it, Miss Sarajevo too was actually a popular tune with a video on MTV that got decent airplay, so non fans got to see U2 in '95. It wasn't a U2 album by name, but it was well known.

I'll count Passengers if you'll count Spider-Man!  ;)

Passengers is an interesting album with some very good music, where as Spiderman is... well, I don't even know what it is.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
I would consider Spiderman if it got released by now as a full length soundtrack (min. 8-10 tracks) , featuring Bono and Edge on vocals and guitars, and with Adam and Larry on their respective instruments accompanying the songs (if only credited as session musicians eventually).

With Passengers you got all members of U2 participating, co-written/performed by Eno and numerous guests. It was a natural expansion of the ZooTV project, so in nature much more a U2 record than Turn Off the Dark.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 28, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
I most definitely count Passengers as a U2 album. And an exceptionally good one at that.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 03:27:04 PM
Yip. Along with Pop they are the ones I still listen to semi-regularly.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 28, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
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1st single was the worst of their career.

A Day Without Me
Fire

;)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 03:32:47 PM
A Day Without Me is a far better tune.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 03:34:12 PM
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Yip. Along with Pop they are the ones I still listen to semi-regularly.

What about the others?


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 28, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
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Yip. Along with Pop they are the ones I still listen to semi-regularly.

What about the others?




I listen to Pop, Achtung Baby! Zooropa, Passengers, Boy and War very regularly, October, UF, R&H, JT, the others, hardly ever now.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 03:46:39 PM
I can't really take U2 in larger doses these days. So it's either these 2 or the other '90s albums (which are also my faves) but likely just a youtube clip of a rarity or B-side or an exceptionally brilliant performance of an album track, or I'll dig up some concert bootleg/official or B-sides/rarities on a vinyl side or bootleg comp. whatever I feel at the moment. I rarely listen to a full album aside from Pop and Passengers. I'll likely give a spin to some other album on vinyl once a year out of nostalgia. I do listen to loads of other bands and music, plus I write my own tunes and that also takes up music time.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 03:49:46 PM
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I can't really take U2 in larger doses these days. So it's either these 2 or the other '90s albums (which are also my faves) but likely just a youtube clip of a rarity or B-side or an exceptionally brilliant performance of an album track, or I'll dig up some concert bootleg/official or B-sides/rarities on a vinyl side or bootleg comp. whatever I feel at the moment. I rarely listen to a full album aside from Pop and Passengers. I'll likely give a spin to some other album on vinyl once a year out of nostalgia. I do listen to loads of other bands and music, plus I write my own tunes and that also takes up music time.

Do you just enjoy writing about U2?


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 28, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
I enjoy a grand total of four tracks from Passengers: Miss Sarajevo, Your Blue Room, Slug and Always Forever Now. The rest I just don't enjoy.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 28, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
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I enjoy a grand total of four tracks from Passengers: Miss Sarajevo, Your Blue Room, Slug and Always Forever Now. The rest I just don't enjoy.

That's two more than me!  :D

Although Elvis Ate America is entertaining in its awfulness.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 28, 2011, 04:01:06 PM
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I enjoy a grand total of four tracks from Passengers: Miss Sarajevo, Your Blue Room, Slug and Always Forever Now. The rest I just don't enjoy.

Theme from Let's Go Native? It's a pretty good beat.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 04:08:22 PM
No, I don't just like writing about them .-) I listen to U2 in some form most days, but I stopped being a fanatic with Electrical Storm I guess.
To be positive though, I'm always interested in their new output, in case they come out with something great. It's not my fault if they fail to be truly great. Good is fine for a month or two, maybe even 'til the next one comes out, but greatness endures. My tastes have evolved with U2 from '92 on, and my musical interest expanded to different kinds of bands and songwriting from 2003 or so on, and No Line was playing it a bit too safe considering the tall tales of spicy Moroccan influences and completely revitalized energies and songwriting. I might have to accept my expectations to be altogether incompatible with the reality of U2 at some point.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 28, 2011, 04:10:09 PM
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No, I don't just like writing about them .-) I listen to U2 in some form most days, but I stopped being a fanatic with Electrical Storm I guess.
To be positive though, I'm always interested in their new output, in case they come out with something great. It's not my fault if they fail to be truly great. Good is fine for a month or two, maybe even 'til the next one comes out, but greatness endures. My tastes have evolved with U2 from '92 on, and my musical interest expanded to different kinds of bands and songwriting from 2003 or so on, and No Line was playing it a bit too safe considering the tall tales of spicy Moroccan influences and completely revitalized energies and songwriting. I might have to accept my expectations to be altogether incompatible with the reality of U2 at some point.

If you liked spicy moroccan beats (liked how you described them  ;) ), then I'm guessing you liked how Fez sounded?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 28, 2011, 04:13:48 PM
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No, I don't just like writing about them .-) I listen to U2 in some form most days, but I stopped being a fanatic with Electrical Storm I guess.
To be positive though, I'm always interested in their new output, in case they come out with something great. It's not my fault if they fail to be truly great. Good is fine for a month or two, maybe even 'til the next one comes out, but greatness endures. My tastes have evolved with U2 from '92 on, and my musical interest expanded to different kinds of bands and songwriting from 2003 or so on, and No Line was playing it a bit too safe considering the tall tales of spicy Moroccan influences and completely revitalized energies and songwriting. I might have to accept my expectations to be altogether incompatible with the reality of U2 at some point.

U2 have never had anything near a monopoly on my musical interest.

It's healthy to have outside interests, as no doubt U2 themselves have discovered as they got older.  They get criticized for it by obsessive fans, mind you.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 04:13:53 PM
Aside from the more obvious U2-ish tracks: Beach Sequence (but that's actually very much U2, just minimal) Corpse (my fave Edge tune so far), One Minute Warning, Ito Okashi, Elvis AA, Plot are also worthwhile listens to me.

I want another Passengers album and wish they put out their archives in this form. There must be hundreds of little ideas that could live in this form without the need of further writing or polishing. I'd much rather hear song ideas than demos of eventual album tracks for example.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: An Cat Dubh on March 28, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
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Aside from the more obvious U2-ish tracks: Beach Sequence (but that's actually very much U2, just minimal) Corpse (my fave Edge tune so far), One Minute Warning, Ito Okashi, Elvis AA, Plot are also worthwhile listens to me.

I want another Passengers album and wish they put out their archives in this form. There must be hundreds of little ideas that could live in this form without the need of further writing or polishing. I'd much rather hear song ideas than demos of eventual album tracks for example.

This!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 28, 2011, 04:30:21 PM
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I enjoy a grand total of four tracks from Passengers: Miss Sarajevo, Your Blue Room, Slug and Always Forever Now. The rest I just don't enjoy.

That's two more than me!  :D

Although Elvis Ate America is entertaining in its awfulness.

Oh God, please don't remind me of that song.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
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If you liked spicy moroccan beats (liked how you described them  ;) ), then I'm guessing you liked how Fez sounded?

Not at all. In it's album form it felt unnecessary and tacked on, and there was a video from a session where you could hear it was a more fully developed tune which makes you want to hear the whole damn thing. I don't like snippets of unheard songs. The true form of that song might be interesting, but it's likely we'll never hear it. If you meant Being Born, I like the potential, but it lacks structure and feels unfinished and most problematically it's not on a Passengers style album but a polished to death pop record, so the missing things take away from an otherwise cool and fresh song.
However, that lovely jam from another Fez video, that seemingly developed into Magnificent (if it wasn't just for the video) was utterly exciting, I hoped for something more in that direction with the whole album. Organic, folky Eastern instruments mingling with Edge's soundscapes and the energy of the other three guys. Similar things have been done before, so I was eager to hear how U2 incorporate the influences and sounds...


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U2 have never had anything near a monopoly on my musical interest.

It's healthy to have outside interests, as no doubt U2 themselves have discovered as they got older.  They get criticized for it by obsessive fans, mind you.


Yeah, it's obvious from your username. :-)

And as for outside interests, U2 made a career out of it. It's when they got stuck in U2 land that they lose their way. The sum of their four individual sounds is so unique, they likely should not fear any outside influence. Pop is a prime example, aside from Discotheque, Miami and Playboy Mansion these were doubtlessly U2 songs.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: satellitedog01 on March 28, 2011, 04:48:59 PM
I just had to hunt down a bloody big black spider that went for a stroll quite near my toes. Arrgh...
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Gravy11 on March 30, 2011, 07:06:12 AM
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I agree 100% sice 2000 U2 is gone no more experimental sounds...  they are making more money than they did before 1999
I think that's the only reason that is keeping u2 toguether MONEYˇˇˇˇ

u2 360 is so boring it doesn't has a concept at allˇ it's like a circus but worst ...
Staring with beatifull day???? jajajaja it's so ridiculousˇˇˇ  sorry about my english I'm from mexico..... anyway

Bono Once said If we make 3 bad albums we are out.... well bono.... this is itˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇ

the last good thing they did risking their "everything" was POP 1997 after that everything is B.S....
money money more moneyˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇˇ

I'm going to the 360 shows in mexico city ... And I'm gonna take a flag that says "U2 PLEASE PLEASE RETIRED" ...

I'm sorry...Just so I read this right...You're going to go see them just to wave a sign asking them to retire? That's like marrying a woman just so you can look forward to divorcing her, no? (someone please help to translate my metaphor)  ???
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 07:46:33 AM
I think going to a U2 show with that sign would be enormously disrespectful to the band and insulting/offensive to those fans who are there who still enjoy U2 (ie ALL OF THEM).
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Bads316 on March 30, 2011, 07:55:37 AM
agreed, if you really want to protest then don't buy a ticket.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: lasteno on March 30, 2011, 10:45:12 AM
I really dont care it honest and I'll do it,, I just to love U2 but I want to believe that after Pop mart they sufer a kind of traumatism and they did not risk anything again, I think that the only onw that stills making a good job is Adam Clayton, the rest is really boring,,, they just to change and play future sounds,, avery album, after pop, it just stopsˇ....
3 shows... " U2 PLEASE RETIRED "  at least they gonna watch somethiing diferent in the crow,, and think....straightˇˇˇˇˇˇ
I think that what U2 needs isa hard slap in the faceˇˇˇ nobody try to say the tryth u2 is overˇ.... what you are listening from 2000 to 2010 is the remains of a great band... that's all,,, I mean "in a little while" what a waist of time... stand up comedyˇ what a predictable song.---- in 10 years of songs,, as music structure and music innovation ...just beatiful day. unknow caller, winter, and 3 more.. songs thats all... the remains of a great band..
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on March 30, 2011, 10:49:51 AM
Wow. That really sucks. I cant believe someone would waste money on 3 shows just to tell U2 to retire. I'm going to 4 (maybe 5) shows and I spent a lot of money on this... sure as hell not going to go insult my favorite band... And I definitely do not want them to retire. You make me want to go to Mexico just to wave a sign that says, "Don't listen to that the reject." If I were standing next to you, I'd want my sign to say, "NOT WITH STUPID" and have an arrow pointing to you.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 10:52:29 AM
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if you really want to protest then don't buy a ticket.

QFT.

I protest my displeasure of U2 booking yet another all stadium European tour by not spending any of my hard earned money on concert tickets.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: So Cruel on March 30, 2011, 11:05:57 AM
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I really dont care it honest and I'll do it,, I just to love U2 but I want to believe that after Pop mart they sufer a kind of traumatism and they did not risk anything again, I think that the only onw that stills making a good job is Adam Clayton, the rest is really boring,,, they just to change and play future sounds,, avery album, after pop, it just stopsˇ....
3 shows... " U2 PLEASE RETIRED "  at least they gonna watch somethiing diferent in the crow,, and think....straightˇˇˇˇˇˇ
I think that what U2 needs isa hard slap in the faceˇˇˇ nobody try to say the tryth u2 is overˇ.... what you are listening from 2000 to 2010 is the remains of a great band... that's all,,, I mean "in a little while" what a waist of time... stand up comedyˇ what a predictable song.---- in 10 years of songs,, as music structure and music innovation ...just beatiful day. unknow caller, winter, and 3 more.. songs thats all... the remains of a great band..

Better Spell Check that sign you're gonna make
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on March 30, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
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I really dont care it honest and I'll do it,, I just to love U2 but I want to believe that after Pop mart they sufer a kind of traumatism and they did not risk anything again, I think that the only onw that stills making a good job is Adam Clayton, the rest is really boring,,, they just to change and play future sounds,, avery album, after pop, it just stopsˇ....
3 shows... " U2 PLEASE RETIRED "  at least they gonna watch somethiing diferent in the crow,, and think....straightˇˇˇˇˇˇ
I think that what U2 needs isa hard slap in the faceˇˇˇ nobody try to say the tryth u2 is overˇ.... what you are listening from 2000 to 2010 is the remains of a great band... that's all,,, I mean "in a little while" what a waist of time... stand up comedyˇ what a predictable song.---- in 10 years of songs,, as music structure and music innovation ...just beatiful day. unknow caller, winter, and 3 more.. songs thats all... the remains of a great band..

Better Spell Check that sign you're gonna make

More like a grammar check.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 30, 2011, 11:12:39 AM
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More like a grammar check.

Maybe he's trying to say that U2 are "retarded"? Or "retried"? "Refried"?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
The OP is Mexican and does not speak English as a first language. As rude and inappropriate as I think their plan is, I think we should still be culturally sensitive to that.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: miami on March 30, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
i say fair play to the guy. it's funny imagining how bono would react seeing a sign telling the band to retire. the guy is obviously mirroring the opinion of a substantial minority of u2 fans.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on March 30, 2011, 11:24:51 AM
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i say fair play to the guy. it's funny imagining how bono would react seeing a sign telling the band to retire. the guy is obviously mirroring the opinion of a substantial minority of u2 fans.



I dont think it's funny because I think U2 internalizes comments like these.... they cant shut out their own inner critics so seeing live ones only make their inner critics louder.

JT Bono, though, might have really laid into him/her. :)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 30, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
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i say fair play to the guy. it's funny imagining how bono would react seeing a sign telling the band to retire. the guy is obviously mirroring the opinion of a substantial minority of u2 fans.



It is a legitimate question, after all. What some people don't seem to realize is that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. The most vocal critics of U2 on this forum are only demonstrating how much they actually care about this band, and when you care about someone you want what's best for them.

For example, if I could travel back in time I would tell the producers of Alias or The X-Files to shut down production of their shows and quit after seasons 3 and 5, respectively. It's not that I didn't love those shows, I did, but the fact that they didn't know when to end and thus went on for too long served to taint even their earlier greatness.

I'm not saying this is the case with U2, but I am saying that with any lucrative form of art (like the TV shows I mentioned), the temptation from those who are being enriched by the artist will be for the performers to keep riding the wave forever, even if the output is sub-par or even embarrassing.

I think U2 has one more chance to either (1) regain commercial success, or (2) regain artistic credibility. But if their next album neither becomes a huge hit nor is recognized as a true artistic triumph, then my money says they're done. And that may be a good thing, because it might be what best for them in the long run.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: miami on March 30, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
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i say fair play to the guy. it's funny imagining how bono would react seeing a sign telling the band to retire. the guy is obviously mirroring the opinion of a substantial minority of u2 fans.



It is a legitimate question, after all. What some people don't seem to realize is that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. The most vocal critics of U2 on this forum are only demonstrating how much they actually care about this band, and when you care about someone you want what's best for them.

For example, if I could travel back in time I would tell the producers of Alias or The X-Files to shut down production of their shows and quit after seasons 3 and 5, respectively. It's not that I didn't love those shows, I did, but the fact that they didn't know when to end and thus went on for too long served to taint even their earlier greatness.

I'm not saying this is the case with U2, but I am saying that with any lucrative form of art (like the TV shows I mentioned), the temptation from those who are being enriched by the artist will be for the performers to keep riding the wave forever, even if the output is sub-par or even embarrassing.

I think U2 has one more chance to either (1) regain commercial success, or (2) regain artistic credibility. But if their next album neither becomes a huge hit nor is recognized as a true artistic triumph, then my money says they're done. And that may be a good thing, because it might be what best for them in the long run.

that's what a lot of people here don't realise about u2 'bashers' like me. i want to see u2 maintain the greatness which i feel they have lost over the last decade. u2 remind me of mohammed ali; he was great for years, then lost some of that greatness. but he had one last hurrah with the rumble in the jungle which returned him to his rightful place on the throne. i still feel u2 have more to give, as long as musical integrity gets in the way of the commercial influences which have become all too apparent lately.

i am simply not willing to sit on my hands and pretend every thing they do is wonderful, whilst in reality mediocrity is creeping into some of their choices. we can still be fans and offer constructive criticism when we want to. we have earned that right. afterall, critical fans like many on these threads have contributed financially to "their great lives" aswell.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: imedi on March 30, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
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i say fair play to the guy. it's funny imagining how bono would react seeing a sign telling the band to retire. the guy is obviously mirroring the opinion of a substantial minority of u2 fans.



It is a legitimate question, after all. What some people don't seem to realize is that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. The most vocal critics of U2 on this forum are only demonstrating how much they actually care about this band, and when you care about someone you want what's best for them.

For example, if I could travel back in time I would tell the producers of Alias or The X-Files to shut down production of their shows and quit after seasons 3 and 5, respectively. It's not that I didn't love those shows, I did, but the fact that they didn't know when to end and thus went on for too long served to taint even their earlier greatness.

I'm not saying this is the case with U2, but I am saying that with any lucrative form of art (like the TV shows I mentioned), the temptation from those who are being enriched by the artist will be for the performers to keep riding the wave forever, even if the output is sub-par or even embarrassing.

I think U2 has one more chance to either (1) regain commercial success, or (2) regain artistic credibility. But if their next album neither becomes a huge hit nor is recognized as a true artistic triumph, then my money says they're done. And that may be a good thing, because it might be what best for them in the long run.
nloth sold over 5 million copies by 2009 which in todays music is pretty good no group ever again will sell as many albums as they did in the 80s.. never going to happen no matter what type of album comes out.. as for the 2nd chance surely artistic credibility is a matter of  a persons own opinion i remember when jt and ab came out people hated those albums and said u2 were done back then.. as for me while i hate sexy boots  and crazy tonight i think  nloth is better overall than either of the 2 albums that came before it and i do listen to it alot more..and as for popularity u2 are in the middle of the highest attended rock shows in musical history just watch the reports from south america on youtube .. u2 are over.. if anything getting bigger would they have sold 3 sell outs in argentina during zoo tv. doubt it.in fact i remember a zoo tv show in italy being canceled.. today that never happens in fact they pack even more people in..however i do agree war, uf, jt, ab were for me 4 of the greatest albums from any band ever ...
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: miami on March 30, 2011, 02:18:23 PM
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i say fair play to the guy. it's funny imagining how bono would react seeing a sign telling the band to retire. the guy is obviously mirroring the opinion of a substantial minority of u2 fans.



It is a legitimate question, after all. What some people don't seem to realize is that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. The most vocal critics of U2 on this forum are only demonstrating how much they actually care about this band, and when you care about someone you want what's best for them.

For example, if I could travel back in time I would tell the producers of Alias or The X-Files to shut down production of their shows and quit after seasons 3 and 5, respectively. It's not that I didn't love those shows, I did, but the fact that they didn't know when to end and thus went on for too long served to taint even their earlier greatness.

I'm not saying this is the case with U2, but I am saying that with any lucrative form of art (like the TV shows I mentioned), the temptation from those who are being enriched by the artist will be for the performers to keep riding the wave forever, even if the output is sub-par or even embarrassing.

I think U2 has one more chance to either (1) regain commercial success, or (2) regain artistic credibility. But if their next album neither becomes a huge hit nor is recognized as a true artistic triumph, then my money says they're done. And that may be a good thing, because it might be what best for them in the long run.
nloth sold over 5 million copies by 2009 which in todays music is pretty good no group ever again will sell as many albums as they did in the 80s.. never going to happen no matter what type of album comes out.. as for the 2nd chance surely artistic credibility is a matter of  a persons own opinion i remember when jt and ab came out people hated those albums and said u2 were done back then.. as for me while i hate sexy boots  and crazy tonight i think  nloth is better overall than either of the 2 albums that came before it and i do listen to it alot more..and as for popularity u2 are in the middle of the highest attended rock shows in musical history just watch the reports from south america on youtube .. u2 are over.. if anything getting bigger would they have sold 3 sell outs in argentina during zoo tv. doubt it.in fact i remember a zoo tv show in italy being canceled.. today that never happens in fact they pack even more people in..however i do agree war, uf, jt, ab were for me 4 of the greatest albums from any band ever ...

i agree with you. Relatively speaking, nloth sold very well in today's musical climate. i believe the album was far and away their best since pop, albeit with a few throwaway songs in there. it's their abandonment of the album as well as their 'tactics' on this tour which has left me fearing the dreaded retreat towards atyclb territory for future releases.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
I suggest that if ATYCLB and HTDAAB were to have been released in 2011 they would have been lucky to have shipped half of what they did.

The nature of the recorded music industry has changed that much over the last 10 years or so.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Bads316 on March 30, 2011, 02:24:16 PM
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I suggest that if ATYCLB and HTDAAB were to have been released in 2011 they would have been lucky to have shipped half of what they did.

The nature of the recorded music industry has changed that much over the last 10 years or so.



Agreed, it's almost as if U2 are striving for something that doesn't even exist anymore.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 30, 2011, 02:48:45 PM
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I suggest that if ATYCLB and HTDAAB were to have been released in 2011 they would have been lucky to have shipped half of what they did.

The nature of the recorded music industry has changed that much over the last 10 years or so.



But there's a related-yet-bigger issue here, which is the cultural radar. Even if, for the sake of argument, the amount of units that Bomb sold in 2004 is the rough equivalent of what NLOTH sold in 2009 (mutatis mutandis), the fact is that the latter made no blip on the radar of the culture whatsoever, despite a relentless promotional campaign.

So I still stick to my point above. Unless U2 can manage with their next album either to achieve popular success like they did with Behind and Bomb, or to garner serious critical acclaim, then their days will be numbered.

As one of you pointed out, yes, their tour is hugely successful. But we have a label for bands who tour successfully in support of utterly forgettable new material....
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 03:08:13 PM
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I suggest that if ATYCLB and HTDAAB were to have been released in 2011 they would have been lucky to have shipped half of what they did.

The nature of the recorded music industry has changed that much over the last 10 years or so.



But there's a related-yet-bigger issue here, which is the cultural radar. Even if, for the sake of argument, the amount of units that Bomb sold in 2004 is the rough equivalent of what NLOTH sold in 2009 (mutatis mutandis), the fact is that the latter made no blip on the radar of the culture whatsoever, despite a relentless promotional campaign.

I think the reason for that is the lead singles were not as radio friendly as Vertigo, SYCMIOYO, and COBL.  Radio airplay is a good way of becoming a blip on the radar of popular culture.  That, and featuring in an episode of CSI.

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So I still stick to my point above. Unless U2 can manage with their next album either to achieve popular success like they did with Behind and Bomb, or to garner serious critical acclaim, then their days will be numbered.

Related to my point above, maybe that's what Baron Greenback means when he says that the new album has "lots of hits".  Many of the great songs from Achtung Baby received a lot of airplay, as I recall.

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As one of you pointed out, yes, their tour is hugely successful. But we have a label for bands who tour successfully in support of utterly forgettable new material....

U2 have become a greatest hits band even when supporting their most artistically successful album in over a decade.

Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 03:52:44 PM
You don't need a good ALBUM you need a good SINGLE.

Beautiful Day sold ATYCLB. Vertigo single-handedly sold HTDAAB. One good single is all it will take to get them back on the radar. It worked with Sunday Bloody Sunday/New Year's Day after October, it worked with One after Rattle & Ham, and it worked with Beautiful Day after Pop.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 04:03:00 PM

NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on March 30, 2011, 04:09:48 PM
Right. I know bands who did good singles and I just bought the singles themselves on iTunes, not the whole album.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 04:09:57 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: RunningtoStandstill (The League of Extraordinary BonoPeople) on March 30, 2011, 04:17:53 PM
wow...just popped in to the forum for the first time in a while, and there is seriously SO much discussion about U2's future goin on right now.  I'm not even going to attempt to comment.  Way too busy to get into the discussions.

But I do have to voice this question.

What happens when U2 really ARE over? As in no longer recording, touring, doing new music, period.  It's gonna come by the time their live nation contracts are up.  Seriously, guys, lets enjoy what they have to offer while it lasts.  Cuz the boys aren't goin on forever.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?




I think Magnificent or NLOTH would have. Possibly Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy as well.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?




I think Magnificent or NLOTH would have. Possibly Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy as well.

That's where our agreement parts company.


Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 06:06:40 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?




I think Magnificent or NLOTH would have. Possibly Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy as well.

That's where our agreement parts company.




What would have made a good lead single in your opinion?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: imedi on March 30, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?




I think Magnificent or NLOTH would have. Possibly Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy as well.
not sure i agree ..dont think crazy tonight and stand up comedy have gone down that well live
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: lasteno on March 30, 2011, 06:24:17 PM
well well,, "gramatica"... ja, English German Spanish Arab French , anyway "U2 please Retire" I think is a good message.
I am a U2 fan but just a little angry, u2 is not u2 anymore.. u2 can do so much more that's what bothers me, and U2 is the only band in the world how can give us music from the future,, when I hear gone is too advanced,,,, Mmm, is like hearing a song from 2030
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 06:35:08 PM
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NLOTH sold relatively well, given market conditions, without a good lead single.

You need a good single to sell lots of singles but in our age of digital downloads they won't necessarily help sell *albums*

I bet that the majority of people who bought NLOTH were pre-existing U2 fans.




Even as a huge U2 fan, after hearing Boots, I was disappointed. It felt like a muddy lo fi redux of Vertigo. It tempered my anticipation somewhat. I can only imagine the impact it had on casual or non-fans.

However, the samples of No Line On The Horizon, Magnificent, and Cedars Of Lebanon that I heard before the album came out reignited my excitement for it.  

I agree; I was decidedly underwhelmed by Boots as well.  I thought to myself, five years is a long wait for that.

But, if Boots was radio friendly, would it have helped sell copies of NLOTH or would it have just sold a lot of digital downloads of that song?

And would NLOTH, Magnificent, or Cedars have enticed casual record buyers to buy the new U2 album?




I think Magnificent or NLOTH would have. Possibly Crazy Tonight and Stand Up Comedy as well.

That's where our agreement parts company.




What would have made a good lead single in your opinion?

You know what, I don't think there are any songs on NLOTH that would have made a radio friendly type lead single like Vertigo or Beautiful Day.

The best songs on the album wouldn't have done i.e MOS, Cedars, FEZ, WAS, Magnificent, Breathe; and the self consciously commercial songs like Crazy Boots Suc are just average at best.


 
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
We agree on our love for the commercially doomed MoS and Cedars at least. Great songs. :)
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Gravy11 on March 30, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
Ok....so our friend south of Texas has issues with their current path. I'm fine with that and respect it. My issue...You think a band is done? Move on.....Go find other boards to follow and new bands to listen to. How this becomes an argument is beyond me. If I buy food from a Restaurant that has gone south over the years, do I keep going back? No I move on. So what is the mentality of a person that is so irate at a band's performance that they threaten to lambaste them on tour and complain on boards? Just move on....I completely understand the frustration some fans have but Come on already. If you are sold that this is it then bail.  Why put forth the effort and money just to whine and complain?  Me...I had my epiphany with U2 back in the "Pop" days. Why? It was such a radical departure from what drew me to them. Looking back, Im glad I didn't split. Were all passionate about U2 but at some point of disdain, you need to move on. I'm going nowhere....
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on March 30, 2011, 07:25:59 PM
Magnificent is the only STRONG contender for a single, and i don't think it would of done great. Of the Crazy/Boots/SUC trio, i think Boots had the best chance of being the strongest single, and, no. And i've always thought Vertigo was more of an Elevation redux the Boots as a Vertigo redux. if that makes sense.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 31, 2011, 12:42:43 AM
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Magnificent is the only STRONG contender for a single, and i don't think it would of done great. Of the Crazy/Boots/SUC trio, i think Boots had the best chance of being the strongest single, and, no. And i've always thought Vertigo was more of an Elevation redux the Boots as a Vertigo redux. if that makes sense.

It does. I just find the riff in Boots to be a shameless redux of Vertigo's riff. Or at least a case of "that worked last time, let's do the exact same thing again!"
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 31, 2011, 03:11:32 AM
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Exile, I totally disagree.  I'm glad the X-Files continued on through their clunky but entertaining seasons following season five.  Why would you want to go back in time and kill a good four years' worth of Sunday nights for me?

Come on, Smoking Man in the cave with that Indian chick? Puh-leeze!

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Perhaps the problem, if there is one, is that U2 continues to want to be "the biggest band in the world."  It's likely that due to the costs of the 360 Tour they need to do what they can to fill seats...hence playing the "greatest hits tour" you've said they are playing.

For someone who disagrees with me, we sure sound a lot alike.

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The best thing they could do for themselves in the future is to stop trying to conquer the music industry with every release and just relax and make music.

I think I disagree that you disagree with me.

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I can't see them ever being a band that has to play the state fair and casino circuit and I don't think they'll ever be a band that plays smaller venues like The Paramount in Seattle...which is exactly where I'd love to see them play someday.

So would I, I love that place. If they did play a venue like that they could re-arrange a lot of their songs to perform them in a lower key, thus opening up a whole world of setlist possibilities (I've explained this theory in depth here before, I won't rehash it now).

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I'd be happy with less eventful and more frequent U2 releases into the future myself and think that every artist should keep making art into their old age.

Agreed, and I've argued that the sooner the band embraces their age, the cooler they will be.

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Why so apocalyptic, Exile?

Funny you should ask. Suffice it to say it sort of comes with the territory for a person with a day job like mine.

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The truth is out there...

All you need to find it are a red guitar and three chords....
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: happyme on March 31, 2011, 03:43:23 AM
What gets me is that,some people keep complaining about Nloth sales compared to other big acts,I just read that,that dread full beaber child has sold as many (maybe less) copies of it's cd than Nloth has & he's supposed to be the biggest thong since sliced bread. & as for the people complaining that u2 are over & winging about relative,best of set lists I've got one thing to say to you.STOP following then around of you don't like them it's simple don't go. I went to the 2 sydney shows & loved every minute & would go more if finaces allowed even if they played the same dame song all night for 2 weeks. Like some one else said I'm not going any ware I will continue 2 wate for the new album, & if u wanna call some one old & time to retire why not go pick on old/half dead stones or acdc cause there the money grobers who have nothing new to offer any body leave u2 alone!!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on March 31, 2011, 07:20:48 AM
I've said that I wouldnt mind if Bono sang the phone book all night. I'm sure the band could come up with some funky sounds to go along with that.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 31, 2011, 03:50:20 PM
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Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on March 31, 2011, 04:29:18 PM
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Why? And why on every thread?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 31, 2011, 06:17:25 PM
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Droo on March 31, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

This is my fault for wording it as anticipating a "tsunami" of complaints, isn't it? :P
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 31, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

This is my fault for wording it as anticipating a "tsunami" of complaints, isn't it? :P

Yep.  :D
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on March 31, 2011, 08:30:17 PM
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Why? And why on every thread?

Where ever there is complaining is where the ark floats to.

This is my fault for wording it as anticipating a "tsunami" of complaints, isn't it? :P

Yep.  :D

You're so silly, Middy.  8)

Not that that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on April 01, 2011, 12:49:54 AM
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Exile, I agree with most of what you've written about where U2 is at in the past year or so...but I never go so far in my own thinking or posts to suggest that the band needs to do this or that or else they're finished.  That seems kind of fatalistic. 

Just to reiterate, what I said was that U2 are in trouble if they wait another few years to put out an album that is neither critically acclaimed nor commercially and culturally important. Maybe I'm just a sky-is-falling type guy, but that does not sound all that fatalistic to me. In fact, it seems pretty obvious.

Weighing the two options, it seems to me that the likelihood of U2, in their mid-50s, releasing an album that grabs the attention of the popular culture, while not impossible, is pretty unlikely (not to mention unprecedented). If that's a fair position, then I would advise U2 to release ballsy and challenging albums that will please their core fanbase. And there's nothing that says they can't also tour as a greatest hits act as well to make a little coin (though I would prefer they not), but it would be great if they also followed Dice's advice and added some small-venue shows that highlighted their more experimental side.

Who, me apocalyptic?
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: THRILLHO on April 01, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
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Around the time of Passengers I began fantasizing about a "psychedelic ambient" sit-down U2 show played in old beautiful theatres like The Paramount here in Seattle (for those who haven't been there, go online and look at some pictures of its interior).  I pictured the band beautifully playing no "hits" at all, but a mixture of their trippier and more experimental, instrumental, and ambient (slow?) songs in front of a very psychedelic and constantly-changing image screen...with Brian Eno along for the ride.  The fantasy set list went something like this, with new additions of more recent work I thought would fit nicely (I'll leave it to others to decide on a song order):

Zooropa       
United Colors         
Always Forever Now       
Slug         
Your Blue Room       
A Different Kind Of Blue
Beach Sequence       
Miss Sarajevo     
One Minute Morning   
Theme From Let's Go Native     
Love Is Blindness
Grace     
The Ocean     
Hallelujah (Here She Comes)     
Discotheque (Howie B Hairy Version)
Alex Descends Into Hell (For A Bottle Of Milk)       
Exit       
Race Against Time     
The Ground Beneath Her Feet
Stateless       
Cedars Of Lebanon       
Scarlet     
If You Wear That Velvet Dress     
Heartland   
Smile     
Tomorrow
Promenade   
Love Comes Tumbling     
Bass Trap       
4th Of July       
Drowning Man

wow thats a nice setlist. Exit would sure wake the audience up after all the songs preceding it. Take Smile out and i'm on board
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: The Exile on April 01, 2011, 03:07:31 PM
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Around the time of Passengers I began fantasizing about a "psychedelic ambient" sit-down U2 show played in old beautiful theatres like The Paramount here in Seattle (for those who haven't been there, go online and look at some pictures of its interior).  I pictured the band beautifully playing no "hits" at all, but a mixture of their trippier and more experimental, instrumental, and ambient (slow?) songs in front of a very psychedelic and constantly-changing image screen...with Brian Eno along for the ride.  The fantasy set list went something like this, with new additions of more recent work I thought would fit nicely (I'll leave it to others to decide on a song order):

Zooropa       United Colors         Always Forever Now       Slug          Your Blue Room       A Different Kind Of Blue

Beach Sequence        Miss Sarajevo      One Minute Morning    Theme From Let's Go Native      Love Is Blindness

Grace      The Ocean       Hallelujah (Here She Comes)     Discotheque (Howie B Hairy Version)   Drowning Man
 
Alex Descends Into Hell (For A Bottle Of Milk)       Exit       Race Against Time     The Ground Beneath Her Feet

Stateless       Cedars Of Lebanon       Scarlet      If You Wear That Velvet Dress      Heartland    Smile      

Tomorrow (Common Ground Mix)         Promenade       Love Comes Tumbling        Bass Trap       4th Of July        

I'd prolly trade all the shows I've been to in order to attend that one! Well, except Sarajevo.
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: mysterious ways on April 01, 2011, 04:56:23 PM
I don't like this topic. U2 are over? What's this B.S.? Are you all fool? U2 will never be over. They have a lot of things to teach to young bands and they will always rule!! Never say "U2 are over"!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: MarsGirl on April 01, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
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I don't like this topic. U2 are over? What's this B.S.? Are you all fool? U2 will never be over. They have a lot of things to teach to young bands and they will always rule!! Never say "U2 are over"!!!!!!!!

+ 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Miami66 on April 01, 2011, 08:26:53 PM
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Around the time of Passengers I began fantasizing about a "psychedelic ambient" sit-down U2 show played in old beautiful theatres like The Paramount here in Seattle (for those who haven't been there, go online and look at some pictures of its interior).  I pictured the band beautifully playing no "hits" at all, but a mixture of their trippier and more experimental, instrumental, and ambient (slow?) songs in front of a very psychedelic and constantly-changing image screen...with Brian Eno along for the ride.  The fantasy set list went something like this, with new additions of more recent work I thought would fit nicely (I'll leave it to others to decide on a song order):

Zooropa       
United Colors         
Always Forever Now       
Slug         
Your Blue Room       
A Different Kind Of Blue

Beach Sequence       
Miss Sarajevo     
One Minute Morning   
Theme From Let's Go Native     
Love Is Blindness
Grace
     
The Ocean     
Hallelujah (Here She Comes)     
Discotheque (Howie B Hairy Version)
Alex Descends Into Hell (For A Bottle Of Milk)       
Exit       
Race Against Time     
The Ground Beneath Her Feet
Stateless       
Cedars Of Lebanon       

Scarlet     
If You Wear That Velvet Dress     
Heartland   
Smile     
Tomorrow
Promenade 
   
Love Comes Tumbling     
Bass Trap       
4th Of July       
Drowning Man


zzzz....snore



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Title: Re: U2 are Over!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on April 01, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
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Around the time of Passengers I began fantasizing about a "psychedelic ambient" sit-down U2 show played in old beautiful theatres like The Paramount here in Seattle (for those who haven't been there, go online and look at some pictures of its interior).  I pictured the band beautifully playing no "hits" at all, but a mixture of their trippier and more experimental, instrumental, and ambient (slow?) songs in front of a very psychedelic and constantly-changing image screen...with Brian Eno along for the ride.  The fantasy set list went something like this, with new additions of more recent work I thought would fit nicely (I'll leave it to others to decide on a song order):

Zooropa       United Colors         Always Forever Now       Slug          Your Blue Room       A Different Kind Of Blue

Beach Sequence        Miss Sarajevo      One Minute Morning    Theme From Let's Go Native      Love Is Blindness

Grace      The Ocean       Hallelujah (Here She Comes)     Discotheque (Howie B Hairy Version)   Drowning Man
 
Alex Descends Into Hell (For A Bottle Of Milk)       Exit       Race Against Time     The Ground Beneath Her Feet

Stateless       Cedars Of Lebanon       Scarlet      If You Wear That Velvet Dress      Heartland    Smile      

Tomorrow (Common Ground Mix)         Promenade       Love Comes Tumbling        Bass Trap       4th Of July        

That would be incredible.