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Title: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 29, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
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Title: Re: The Return of the Stingray
Post by: A_Fly_On_The_Wall on March 29, 2011, 12:39:21 PM
Hell yeah!! It rocks, but I think it just needs to be a little bit longer for it to be considered a phenomenal tune. But maybe the length is better to be left as it is  :-\
Title: Re: The Return of the Stingray
Post by: Bads316 on March 29, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
absolutely not
Title: Re: The Return of the Stingray
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on March 29, 2011, 01:24:33 PM
I'm not a big fan of the song but I wouldn't mind it
Title: Re: The Return of the Stingray
Post by: ABloodRedSky on March 29, 2011, 01:28:19 PM
Very much so, I think it's a phenomenal addition to the set.
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 29, 2011, 04:18:59 PM
It's a brilliant intro- though it would be better if it led into a much faster song like I Will Follow or NLOTH. I don't mind if it's replaced by a good new intro, but I think the GOYB Remix / Beautiful Day intro is definitely weaker.

Fortunately, I'm pretty sure it will be back in North America!  :D
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Starman on March 29, 2011, 04:23:37 PM
Yeah, it would be cool to see...although they should bring back Breathe. Think about it this way U2, you're not promoting NLOTH if you play a song from it, you're just playing one of your songs.  ;)

I Will Follow would be a much better first song following Stingray, TUC.

And of course, if they have a more theatric intro, that would be better.
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 29, 2011, 04:26:20 PM
I don't really think Breathe should come back as the intro. I love the song, love the drums at the start, love the band coming out slowly, love that first guitar note... but after that, it lost the audience both times I saw it due to the unusual pace and the fact that the song is... well, actually not that fast or dynamic, despite the lyrical delivery. It's a great, slower rocker that should be later in the set.

I still think they should be opening with NLOTH, though I can see arguments for Magnificent or even Boots.
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 29, 2011, 04:36:44 PM
Fez - Being Born would be the best opener for the remainder of the tour, but they certainly shouldn't be opening with an oldie.



Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 29, 2011, 04:45:38 PM
A Return to the Return of Return of the Stingray Guitar sounds good to me.

A Return of a song in another Return.

INCEPTION.
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 09:23:30 AM
Wow!  Apart from Bad Boy and Moi, everybody else seems to want to see the return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar in North America. 

Let's hope U2 are watching this thread.


Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Droo on March 30, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
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Fez - Being Born would be the best opener for the remainder of the tour, but they certainly shouldn't be opening with an oldie.





Agreed.
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 30, 2011, 11:57:56 AM
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I Will Follow would be a much better first song following Stingray, TUC.


I do not understand how U2 have looked at their insane, loopy, guitar-heavy fast song which gets the crowd bopping that they play *first*, then looked at their brilliant, guitar-heavy fast song which gets the crowd bopping that they play *third* and decided that they need to put an epic but much slower song in between them to break up the rhythm. If they switched I Will Follow and Beautiful Day, and cut the gap after Stingray, the first half of the setlist would be nearly perfect in my view.
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
Track 1. The Return of the Stingray Guitar (Instrumental)
Track 2. I Will Follow
Track 3. Beautiful Day

And 360 isn't a greatest hits tour.  ???




Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on March 30, 2011, 12:25:37 PM
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Track 1. The Return of the Stingray Guitar (Instrumental)
Track 2. I Will Follow
Track 3. Beautiful Day

And 360 isn't a greatest hits tour.  ???


Track 10. North Star
Track 11. Mercy
Track 12. In A Little While
Track 13. Miss Sarajevo
Track 18. Scarlet
Track 22. Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me / Ultraviolet

No it is not :)
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 30, 2011, 12:27:51 PM
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Track 1. The Return of the Stingray Guitar (Instrumental)
Track 2. I Will Follow
Track 3. Beautiful Day

And 360 isn't a greatest hits tour.  ???


Much of PopMart;

Track 1- Mofo
Track 2- I Will Follow
Track 3- Even Better Than The Real Thing

...Curse that renowned greatest hits tour that is PopMart!

...Incidentally, that's before we get to Lovetown concerts opening with Streets into I Will Follow into I Still Haven't Found. Seriously, if we now use 'Two of the first three songs' as our basis for decreeing something a greatest hits tour, we've hit a new low!  :D
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 12:47:43 PM
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Track 1. The Return of the Stingray Guitar (Instrumental)
Track 2. I Will Follow
Track 3. Beautiful Day

And 360 isn't a greatest hits tour.  ???


Much of PopMart;

Track 1- Mofo
Track 2- I Will Follow
Track 3- Even Better Than The Real Thing

...Curse that renowned greatest hits tour that is PopMart!

In point of fact, that was the opening sequence for only 26 PopMart shows at the start of the tour. 

For the rest of the PopMart tour (67 shows) they opened with this sequence:-

Track 1. Mofo
Track 2. I Will Follow
Track 3. Gone

In what way does that look like a greatest hits set-list?  ;)


Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: The Unknown Caller on March 30, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
Well, other than the fact that you totally ignored the Joshua Tree Tour example which is even more striking, thus far we've seen the opening you're complaining about for 34 out of about 85 shows. I guess we'll see what happens coming up.

Plus of course, the entire attempt to claim that it's a greatest hits tour because 2 of the first three are greatest hits is generally a pretty desperate measure  :D Especially because you've literally picked 'first three' arbitrarily to cut out the fact that the next two would completely disprove your point.

Seriously, it's like me deciding that the 360 Tour is actually a far more daring setlist than the Popmart tour because only one of the last three songs is a greatest hit while TWO of the last three on Popmart are! (Shocking! ) It's really beyond mockery .
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 01:12:37 PM
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Well, other than the fact that you totally ignored the Joshua Tree Tour example which is even more striking,

I agree with Larry that on the Lovetown tour U2 had become a 'touring jukebox', which is why they reinvented themselves for their next album and tour. :)

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thus far we've seen the opening you're complaining about for 34 out of about 85 shows.

The difference is 360 evolved into a greatest hits tour as it progressed, where as PopMart was NEVER a greatest hits tour.

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I guess we'll see what happens coming up.

Opening with Beautiful Day.

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the entire attempt to claim that it's a greatest hits tour because 2 of the first three are greatest hits is generally a pretty desperate measure

I claim that 360 has become a greatest hits tour because of the songs that follow, but certainly when a band is opening with oldies it's a good indicator that the audience is in for a night of hits and oldies.

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  Especially because you've literally picked 'first three' arbitrarily to cut out the fact that the next two would completely disprove your point.

Then it seems you're not the only one with a monopoly on being disingenuous.  ;)

Although, "the next two" happen to be *half* of all the new songs from NLOTH that they will perform all night.

See, you can't help yourself from being disingenuous.  ::)

 
Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Bads316 on March 30, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
What's more 'I Will Follow'  much like most of the staples of ZOOTV and PopMart were reinvented, in some cases quite drastically (Streets, Running To Stand Still, With Or Without You, Bullet, SBS) All the hits on 360 sound much like they have for the past ten years.

I mean, just as an example, is there anything to separate the 360 SBS from Vertigo? If you didn't care for the PopMart SBS then fair enough but it was U2 trying something new and keeping the song alive. Elevations SBS was fantastic and refreshing to hear it played that way again but c'mon after ten years take it back to the Rattle & Hum version at least. Back in t' old days I'd look forward to the hits to see how they would be approached this time round, 360 has embalmed U2s songs, it's a museum.



Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 30, 2011, 01:34:24 PM
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What's more 'I Will Follow'  much like most of the staples of ZOOTV and PopMart were reinvented, in some cases quite drastically (Streets, Running To Stand Still, With Or Without You, Bullet, SBS) All the hits on 360 sound much like they have for the past ten years.

I mean, just as an example, is there anything to separate the 360 SBS from Vertigo? If you didn't care for the PopMart SBS then fair enough but it was U2 trying something new and keeping the song alive. Elevations SBS was fantastic and refreshing to hear it played that way again but c'mon after ten years take it back to the Rattle & Hum version at least. Back in t' old days I'd look forward to the hits to see how they would be approached this time round, 360 has embalmed U2s songs, it's a museum.

You make some very good points, Bads.

On the Elevation tour, they had changed their live sound from that of PopMart and so it was refreshing to hear, but on Vertigo and 360 they just sound the same as they did on Elevation.  Like The Rolling Stones they have now firmly established their 'modern' live sound.  I predict they'll have the same sound on their next tour, too.

Title: Re: The Return of The Return of the Stingray Guitar
Post by: gnmmet on March 30, 2011, 02:03:17 PM
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Fez - Being Born would be the best opener for the remainder of the tour, but they certainly shouldn't be opening with an oldie.





Agreed.

Double agree.