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Title: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 12, 2011, 11:02:21 AM
As well as the five songs which did open a 360 concert at some point, (Breathe, Stingray, EBTTRT, Magnificent, Beautiful Day) we know from rehearsals that U2 considered with several other openers- most notably (And most bizarrely?) 'Moment of Surrender' being rehearsed as an intro not once but before two separate leg openers, and both times deemed by the band and Willie Williams to be quite good.

So, which of these songs would you have liked to see open a U2 concert, if you had to pick?
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Tumbling Dice on November 12, 2011, 11:12:33 AM
They're all a pretty dire bunch to open a show with, though no worse than BD.

A blistering full band Desire would have been preferred, or FEZ: Being Born.


Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: EnduringChill on November 12, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
Hold Me. I don't think the other two would work... ESPECIALLY not MoS. Good thing that never happened!

If only NLOTH had been the opener... I'll just have to dream of it now. :)
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on November 12, 2011, 02:38:31 PM
I put MOS because I'm really interested in how it would go down. Soon into MOS sounds like a really interesting transition.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on November 12, 2011, 07:01:12 PM
A few things, I know Moment of Surrender was rehearsed as the show opener before the Europe 2010 but when before that?

And when was SBS rehearsed as a show opener?  I know it was the first song rehearsed during one of the nights leading up to the tour opener, but was it actually rehearsed as a show opener?  Same with HMTMKMKM.

And I went with HMTMKMKM obviously.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 12, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
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A few things, I know Moment of Surrender was rehearsed as the show opener before the Europe 2010 but when before that?

And when was SBS rehearsed as a show opener?  I know it was the first song rehearsed during one of the nights leading up to the tour opener, but was it actually rehearsed as a show opener?  Same with HMTMKMKM.

And I went with HMTMKMKM obviously.

All from Willie's blog. He explicitly says that HMTM and MoS were considered as show openers in Turin. (With Soon leading into the latter and with an instrumental strings piece leading into it) SBS is more of an inference; Willie says in his diary that they 'rehearsed three different openings; a classic rock opening, a mellow, slower one and one from the left field' on that day and our rehearsal reports have them playing three different sections of songs; one was the actual opener, one opened with MoS and the other opened with SBS.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on November 12, 2011, 07:16:04 PM
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A few things, I know Moment of Surrender was rehearsed as the show opener before the Europe 2010 but when before that?

And when was SBS rehearsed as a show opener?  I know it was the first song rehearsed during one of the nights leading up to the tour opener, but was it actually rehearsed as a show opener?  Same with HMTMKMKM.

And I went with HMTMKMKM obviously.

All from Willie's blog. He explicitly says that HMTM and MoS were considered as show openers in Turin. (With Soon leading into the latter and with an instrumental strings piece leading into it) SBS is more of an inference; Willie says in his diary that they 'rehearsed three different openings; a classic rock opening, a mellow, slower one and one from the left field' on that day and our rehearsal reports have them playing three different sections of songs; one was the actual opener, one opened with MoS and the other opened with SBS.

Oh.  Nevermind then.  If only I had access to Willie's blog
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 12, 2011, 07:50:22 PM
June 19th 2009-
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We sat together and figured out the three different possible sets of opening songs that we wanted to try out. I was pleased that the three proposed opening ideas came from three different band members, so the spirit of democracy is very much alive. The band got up on stage and played through the three possibilities, one kind of a downbeat opening, one a bit of a left turn and the last a full on rock event. To paraphrase the adage, two out of three weren't bad, so we already have some either/or options to choose from.

2nd August 2010
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We're still working on opening sequences and in the past have found it's useful to have three options to look at (we love a three-cornered contest). There was a suggestion last night that 'Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me' might be a contender for a radical new opening to the show, so Dec had sent for the original multi-track recording of the piece. There are lots of mad violins hidden away in the recording that reminded me of a George Crumb composition called 'Black Angels', written (I think) in response to the Vietnam War.  I have a recording of it being performed by the Kronos Quartet, so dug it out and gave it to Dec. The combination of the two crazed string-instrument attacks was absolutely startling, particularly when played over the giant 360 sound system and set up a wonderfully unhinged atmosphere for 'Hold Me, Thrill Me'.

This gave us our third option, the other two being Beautiful Day coming out of Elbow's 'One Day Like This' and the complete wildcard of opening with Moment of Surrender, coming out of 'Soon', the track formerly known as 'Kingdom of Your Love' that preceded Breathe in last year's show.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: skelter on November 12, 2011, 09:09:38 PM
Wow, sounds crazy that they actually considered this. Further distancing themselves from NLOTH?

I guess HMTMKMKM could have worked if they did it in the 360 EBTTRT style (explosive and energetic)
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: singnomore on November 12, 2011, 10:49:24 PM
Can i say none of them? Cant imagine any of these being effective or inspiring show openers?
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: m100 on November 13, 2011, 03:01:32 PM
Hold me is the only one that works. Sunday Bloody Sunday sets the wrong tone and moment is just far too slow. I know Beautiful day isn't the fastest song but it is instantly recognisable to the casual fans and they are the ones you need on your side from the off.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Boom Cha! on November 13, 2011, 09:58:44 PM
I wouldn't wanna see any of these open, but Moment Of Surrender would be interesting.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2011, 08:14:08 AM
They should have opened with MOS for one night only at the highest attended show of the tour, just for a laugh.

Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: skelter on November 14, 2011, 08:34:18 AM
^Laugh their touring career away, that is.

It sounds so crazy to open with any of these 3. If it weren't from Willie's diary, I wouldn't believe it. Or maybe Willie is pulling our leg?
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on November 14, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
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A blistering full band Desire would have been preferred, or FEZ: Being Born.
I voted MOS, but immediately thought of Fez-being born.  I have said all along that they should have played the Fez part over the PA system and walked out to it and then kicked into Being Born.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: skelter on November 14, 2011, 10:11:53 PM
People unfamiliar with NLOTH will think it's a swarm/stampede going on. I never thought of Fez-Being Born as two separate movements to the song. I should go back and relisten to it
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: INCA on November 15, 2011, 07:08:20 PM
I'd pick "Always Forever Now" into "Night and Day" as the intro, because it's a radical departure from anything U2 have done so far. And I love the way Always Forever Now sounds on the HEAT soundtrack.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 15, 2011, 08:03:48 PM
Personally, I always thought they should have opened with No Line. Once they started using Stingray, I thought that would also segue brilliantly into No Line as the second song for an all out rock opening duo, but it was not to be... never even rehearsed!
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Boom Cha! on November 15, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
I thought Breathe was a perfect opener; their best behind Mofo and Zoo Station.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: singnomore on November 15, 2011, 10:44:15 PM
4th of July moving to 11 o'clock tick tock like on the TUF tour was pretty good though the mother of all openers has to be Zoo Station
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on November 15, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
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4th of July moving to 11 o'clock tick tock like on the TUF tour was pretty good though the mother of all openers has to be Zoo Station

City of Blinding Lights
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: singnomore on November 16, 2011, 12:37:59 AM
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4th of July moving to 11 o'clock tick tock like on the TUF tour was pretty good though the mother of all openers has to be Zoo Station

City of Blinding Lights

Followed by COBL as a close second  ;D
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: EnduringChill on November 16, 2011, 02:29:12 PM
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Personally, I always thought they should have opened with No Line. Once they started using Stingray, I thought that would also segue brilliantly into No Line as the second song for an all out rock opening duo, but it was not to be... never even rehearsed!
Yay, someone agrees with me. :D
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Tumbling Dice on November 16, 2011, 03:33:31 PM
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I thought Breathe was a perfect opener; their best behind Mofo and Zoo Station.

I agree.  Even if they - regrettably - dropped NLOTH and UC, they should have kept this in the set as the opener.

Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 16, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
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I thought Breathe was a perfect opener; their best behind Mofo and Zoo Station.

I think it had great potential that it never met. It was too slow, and the crowd never really got into it. As an opener, the only part that worked was the intro -and as soon as the first words kicked in, the song suffered. It might have been recoverable if a big hit had been second up, but when the NLOTH run continued, the audience just lost interest.

It's a shame, because it's a great song; just in absolutely the wrong place in the setlist.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Droo on November 16, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
I don't understand why the audience lost interest as NLOTH tracks rolled out. U2 had always leaned heavily on the newest album on supporting tours since ZooTV. What else were they expecting?
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Tumbling Dice on November 16, 2011, 10:40:20 PM
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I don't understand why the audience lost interest as NLOTH tracks rolled out. U2 had always leaned heavily on the newest album on supporting tours since ZooTV. What else were they expecting?

In all fairness, the audiences that made up the 360 shows weren't expecting them to open the show with *four* new songs.  Even PopMart didn't manage that.

And maybe if Breathe had been a smash hit like Vertigo - and played in an episode of CSI - the audience would have gotten into it more.  Casuals that they were.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Droo on November 16, 2011, 10:44:36 PM
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I don't understand why the audience lost interest as NLOTH tracks rolled out. U2 had always leaned heavily on the newest album on supporting tours since ZooTV. What else were they expecting?

In all fairness, the audiences that made up the 360 shows weren't expecting them to open the show with *four* new songs.  Even PopMart didn't manage that.


Fair enough.

They should have opened with NLOTH then, and then gone into a big hit, then jumped back to No Line tracks.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Tumbling Dice on November 16, 2011, 10:49:44 PM
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I don't understand why the audience lost interest as NLOTH tracks rolled out. U2 had always leaned heavily on the newest album on supporting tours since ZooTV. What else were they expecting?

In all fairness, the audiences that made up the 360 shows weren't expecting them to open the show with *four* new songs.  Even PopMart didn't manage that.


Fair enough.

They should have opened with NLOTH then, and then gone into a big hit, then jumped back to No Line tracks.

Or opened with FEZ:Being Born, then Boots, then a couple of hits, then back to the No Line songs.

Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Droo on November 16, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
Fez - Being Born is too slow a burn for an opener. The opener needs to be big. Zoo Station, CoBL, Mofo, etc.

Fez would make a good encore opener or midset song.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Tumbling Dice on November 16, 2011, 11:16:16 PM
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Fez - Being Born is too slow a burn for an opener. The opener needs to be big. Zoo Station, CoBL, Mofo, etc.

Fez would make a good encore opener or midset song.

What's wrong with having a slower song to open a show?  If they can close with a slow number, then why not open?

Start off with a stately opener and then move on to more uptempo stuff.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on November 17, 2011, 04:40:30 AM
I believe they opened some ZOO TV rehearsals with SBS back in '92.  I wouldn't mind that.

My personal off list choice would be Hawkmoon 269.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: m100 on November 17, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
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Fez - Being Born is too slow a burn for an opener. The opener needs to be big. Zoo Station, CoBL, Mofo, etc.

Fez would make a good encore opener or midset song.

What's wrong with having a slower song to open a show?  If they can close with a slow number, then why not open?

Start off with a stately opener and then move on to more uptempo stuff.

I'd say that the only person who has regularly opened with a slow song is Bowie.

Sunday Bloody Sunday has only opened one show in hershey 1992 which wasn't a full on zoo tv show, followed by new years day and pride - a sort of big hits thank you to the locals for listening to them rehearse in the stadium.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: DGordon1 on November 18, 2011, 04:15:31 AM
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Fez - Being Born is too slow a burn for an opener. The opener needs to be big. Zoo Station, CoBL, Mofo, etc.

Fez would make a good encore opener or midset song.

What's wrong with having a slower song to open a show?  If they can close with a slow number, then why not open?

Start off with a stately opener and then move on to more uptempo stuff.

I agree. I always imagined an extended Fez intro in almost total darkness, with the bank walking on without most people noticing. Then Being Born kicks in, all the lights go on, and on the big screens there's a panoramic video taken from a motorcyclist's helmet whilst driving on a long stretch of the Costa Del Sol at breakneck speed. Ah if only ...
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 18, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
To be honest, I always felt that Fez was literally one of the worst possible choices of opener from the entire U2 catalogue, let alone NLOTH - but then, I don't really like it as a song anyway, so...
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: DGordon1 on November 18, 2011, 02:36:40 PM
Even without liking it, it makes a lot of logical sense to open with it. It's a driving, loud song about rebirth - a good tone to open a show. Even if I didn't like it, it still screams show opener to me - certainly nowhere near the bottom of the list. I mean, it would make more sense than TTTYAATW, Wild Honey, Elvis Presley and America, Numb, Seconds, The Refugee, The Wanderer, or about 70% of their songs :P
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 18, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
I'd put it at about the same level as TTTYAATW or The Refugee, below Seconds. :P It's waaaay too slow, not hard enough, no memorable chorus, doesn't pump the audience up - all IMO, of course!
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on November 20, 2011, 11:06:40 AM
If they feel like Being born is too slow, they can change the tempo, it's possible to do that!!!
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: CherryYouDanceWithMe on November 20, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
I also agree that Fez would be great, but I am envisioning it a-la-Elevation tour where they would start with the stadium lights on, during Fez, then all goes black, and the stage lights up for Being Born. now THAT would send shivers down my spine!
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on November 20, 2011, 01:03:15 PM
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Fez - Being Born is too slow a burn for an opener. The opener needs to be big. Zoo Station, CoBL, Mofo, etc.

Fez would make a good encore opener or midset song.

What's wrong with having a slower song to open a show?  If they can close with a slow number, then why not open?

Start off with a stately opener and then move on to more uptempo stuff.

I agree. I always imagined an extended Fez intro in almost total darkness, with the bank walking on without most people noticing. Then Being Born kicks in, all the lights go on, and on the big screens there's a panoramic video taken from a motorcyclist's helmet whilst driving on a long stretch of the Costa Del Sol at breakneck speed. Ah if only ...

Coulda been great
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: david on November 21, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
I can't even watch U2 play SBS anymore. Aside from the fact that it's got increasingly slow and lumpy in the last few tours it looks like the band are sick of playing it. It also just looks wrong seeing a bunch of old guys (sorry, but they are!) playing that song, I don't know why it just does.

MOS is pretty dull even by 00's U2 standards. Another okay song that they keep trying to hit us over the head with until we agree with their lofty assertion of its greatness. Maby it would be better if they played it first just to get it out of the way? Especially as they insist on including it in EVERY setlist.

HMTMKMKM an underrated song, but it has never really 'worked' live, except perhaps in the Mexico City 1997 concert.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Droo on November 21, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
MoS is pretty popular, buddy. It's even doing well in the U22 competition.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on November 21, 2011, 06:08:08 PM
MoS was critically acclaimed, Rolling Stone ranked it as one of the best songs of all time above most U2 songs, it's done repeatedly very well on polls here, it's really high on the U22 vote... if U2 are trying to 'force' it on fans, fans don't seem to be resisting very much!
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: imaginary friend on November 25, 2011, 03:53:57 PM
hold me would've been incredible. hopefully, they do that at some point in the future.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: miaveni on December 27, 2011, 01:55:22 PM
Hold Me, Thrill Me,  Kiss Me, Kill Me,  that would have been cool.  Bono could have come swingin in on a rope from the high tops of the stadiums.......  Wouldn't that have been a sight to see???
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: markreed on December 29, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
I always thought playing Zooropa as an opener would've been a good idea, with each member walking through the crowd to the stage from each of the 4 corners of the stadium, before meeting on the stage. Larry would have to wear a very slim hihat and snare kit alone like "Crazy" though, before getting into his standard kit for 'part2' of the song.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: briscoetheque on January 05, 2012, 09:07:22 PM
MOS would have flopped. Even as a closer to the majority of the crowd it didn't work.

I was OK with it, but not a good end to see half the crowd heading for their cars after the first verse.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: The Unknown Caller on January 05, 2012, 09:14:47 PM
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MOS would have flopped. Even as a closer to the majority of the crowd it didn't work.

I was OK with it, but not a good end to see half the crowd heading for their cars after the first verse.

Interestingly, in my concert experiences that happened a lot both nights I saw them in Dublin and not at all on the European continent. I wonder why.
Title: Re: The 360 Openers That Never Were
Post by: Droo on January 05, 2012, 10:15:47 PM
I found the best thing for the 360 Tour was to get out of the stands and into the inner ring. Then you can just ignore the casual fans outside who don't appreciate the good stuff.