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Title: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tassoula on February 14, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
Hi all,

I'm working on a piece about fans who have had a crises of faith of sorts in regard to U2. Folks who have gone through periods of time where they were sick of the band, where the music didn't move them anymore, where they had no desire to see them live in concert.

Anyone experienced that?

I never have, so it's difficult for me to understand.  ;)

Your replies are much appreciated!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 14, 2012, 05:00:58 PM
Not a "crisis," but a kind of sustained sense of disappointment, if that makes sense. If you want me to elaborate, let me know!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tassoula on February 14, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
The Exile: Does the sustained disappointment make you not want to listen to them? Even the old stuff?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 14, 2012, 05:07:27 PM
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The Exile: Does the sustained disappointment make you not want to listen to them? Even the old stuff?

No, I listen to them almost daily (and I have never passed up a chance to see them live). But I never listen to Behind or Bomb, and when I listen to NLOTH it's in the form of a 14-song playlist I created. I listen to my various '90s playlists often, with the '80s stuff a bit less often.

Basically, I have been listening to this band for so long, and have developed such strong opinions about everything they do, that I find it difficult to be satisfied with what they have actually released post-Pop, in the form they've released it. I just have to tweak and modify it in some way to make it more akin to the U2 I wish existed outside my own imagination!

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on February 14, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
Yeah, I'm in the "old fan/unhappy with their current stuff" camp.  For the first time, I sort of had to be convinced (by my gf) to see them for the 360 tour.  The combination of a strong dislike for NLOTH, the price of tickets, and the choice to play stadiums all contributed to my reluctance.  We went, and were both a bit disappointed with the result--their choice to emphasize their 00's material didn't help.  It might be fair to call me an "ex-fan" at this point, but I guess I'm still hopeful they'll do something to impress me again.  But I still listen to their 80's - 90's stuff fairly regularly, or at least in phases, and don't think their later stuff reflects poorly on the earlier stuff I love.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 14, 2012, 06:24:55 PM
Oh no, of course not.

Nothing says "relevance" more than a 50 year old guy wearing eyeliner and talking about getting more radio airplay.

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Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 14, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
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Bono should french Bieber like he did Liam back in the day. That would propel U2 to relevance, I bet.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JBS on February 14, 2012, 06:39:35 PM
Hi, I sort of went through something like that.

Overall I liked ATYCLB and while HTDAAB will probably never be in my top 5, the Vertigo Tour was the only chance I've had to see the band live so, I'm more partial to the album than I normally would be.

NLOTH really was not for me though and I tried really hard to find reasons to like it (there's a few songs on it I like but as an album it's my least favorite).

That sort of culminated in me just losing interest in the band for the first time since I became a fan around 92. When the Achtung Box Set came out though that re-inspired my interest which led to me joining the forums here over the past weekend.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: briscoetheque on February 14, 2012, 07:33:01 PM
From 2000 to 2005 I really dropped off the wagon.

My excitement post 1998 was so high that it just came crashing down with the release of ATYCLB. I stopped listening to them - although they're not a band I listen to a lot of these days either (outside when albums get released). I don't have U2 CDs in my car.

Bomb drew me back in, not Vertigo, but Original of the Species and Sometimes You Can't Make It, specifically.

Passengers and Pop had given me such hope, and ATYCLB just disappointed me so much.

it may have been different had elevation toured Australia... perhaps... not sure.

But I just wasn't that interested. I got into lots of other stuff, both old and new, from bands I found more interesting in that 5 year period. 
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: jacob on February 15, 2012, 08:20:13 AM
I lost my mojo twice.

First with the release of Rattle & Hum. A boring album built on cliché’s (I could predict every next rhyme word and chord change on first listen).  The slick sound and mainstream appeal of the Joshua tree already were a bit of a downer for me. With Rattle & Hum it was two disappointing albums in a row. I was convinced U2 was finished: just another band who ran out of ideas.

Then they proved me wrong with Achtung Baby.

The second time was with pop. Some of their best work there but too much pretension. I was’t that much impressed by the “experimentation” (filler is filler even when covered up with endless drumloops). In the concert I went to somehow the pop-songs didn’t work. I remember a frustrated bono  throwing himself in the audience at some point, making his way through a few rows of people. Which was very heroic and very desperate. Again I felt they had come to an end.

Then they came up with atyclb, which is flooded with killer tunes. They surprised me again because I didn’t think they were able to write those.

Jacob
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: KitCat on February 15, 2012, 09:06:46 AM
I don't know if it qualifies as such, but I didn't listen to them at all for about a year. U2 had introduced me to rock music and I listened to them ad nauseam; but I branched out into different types of music and started listening to heaver, darker and more metallic things, this took over and I stopped listening to U2. I then moved onto blues and roots, swing and jazz; eventually I came back to U2, wiser in the world of music and I realised why exactly I loved them so much. There simply isn't a band that compares with them, they create a little bit of magic. I never stopped liking U2, I simply broadened my horizons, which I would never have done without them anyway.

People crap on the newer albums, but I think I like them all because I did diversify into so many different areas of music that I developed an appreciation for many kinds of music (though ATYCLB is a collection of singles and not an album).
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 15, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
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Oh no, of course not.

Nothing says "relevance" more than a 50 year old guy wearing eyeliner and talking about getting more radio airplay.

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Wasn't Bono just being ironic?

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 15, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
Peaks and troughs, peaks and troughs.


Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Allie79 on February 15, 2012, 09:51:35 AM
I seem to have lost my U2 mojo a bit. It's like JTBaby said; a 50 year old guy wearing eyeliner and complaining about relevance and airplay on popular radiostations is a bit sad. It is such a contrast to 1992 when Bono famously said that they didn't need the pop kids. What has happened?!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: maymay on February 15, 2012, 11:24:47 AM
I first became a fan around the ZooTV tour, even though I did not see them live then. In '97 PopMart came in my country which got me really excited about them for year or two.

But then nothing happened. U2 was no longer at the headlines and due to the lack of internet in the late 90's, I lost my connection to U2.

Years passed, I moved forward with my life. Saw some other great bands play live, heard some new U2 hits being played in the radio. One Rainy autumn day in 2009 my sister called me about U2 360 coming to my country - after a 13 year long wait. While waiting for the tour to make it here, I wandered to this forum and thanks to you all,  I found my inner U2 fan - stronger than ever before!

 ;D
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Monicalea on February 15, 2012, 11:30:56 AM
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Peaks and troughs, peaks and troughs.




Yep.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 15, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
I've never really lost my U2 mojo. In fact, it's increased over the years, especially this last summer when I went to six shows. This band has always been the emotional spirit that backs a lot of my own ups and downs in life. Several of their songs have lifted me out of the pit of despair.... I have an emotional attachment to this band that cannot be removed.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Dali on February 15, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
After a great run of a lot of good to very good new songs on every new album (non-album singles included), U2 hit a low with "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb". This album is a complete downer. I tried hard to like it. Only years after its release, I found that it is good music for hangovers and that the running order of the tracks just does not work at all. Also, the non-inclusion of "Smile", "Fast Cars" and the original "Mercy" is bewildering given what songs made the cut.

They have only halfway recovered from their songwiting slump with their next album "No Line On the Horizon" which suffered from the same problem of catering to the needs of format radio and putting on songs created during the mixing process from leftover tracks such as "Cedars" reportedly and the overture of "Fez / Being Born" which references "Get On Your Boots".
Luckily, there are quite a few winners amongst the songs on that album.

But now, they are taking 5 years again until their next 10 songs are being released. Have they gotten tired of making new music or are their labelheads too greedy and don't want to pay their huge advances more often?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: U2OnceAgain on February 15, 2012, 02:37:02 PM
I have lost my U2 mojo for sure. There was a time when I would listen to them daily and be excited to hear something about them on the news. This was way back when they weren't so overexposed. Now I still listen to their stuff regularly but I don't have the need to have everything they put out, I haven't bought the Actung Baby box set because I am sick of the money machine they have become.

Also I find I am really sick and tired of Bono. I love the music and the lyrics and love them live but I am so tired of his incessant preaching. When I was at the Vertigo tour all he did was preach, people were actually shouting "shut up and sing" and I think that sums it all up. We were paying 300.00 per ticket to hear a concert not to be preached to.

I kind of hope they take some time off and go back in seclusion and come back out without all the fanfare and just be a rock band again.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: InThisHeartland on February 15, 2012, 05:06:24 PM
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Oh no, of course not.

Nothing says "relevance" more than a 50 year old guy wearing eyeliner and talking about getting more radio airplay.

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Bono should french Bieber like he did Liam back in the day. That would propel U2 to relevance, I bet.

Not the kind of relevance I want to be anywhere near :D
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 15, 2012, 05:18:01 PM
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Oh no, of course not.

Nothing says "relevance" more than a 50 year old guy wearing eyeliner and talking about getting more radio airplay.

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Bono should french Bieber like he did Liam back in the day. That would propel U2 to relevance, I bet.

Not the kind of relevance I want to be anywhere near :D

Bono would only anger Selena Gomez.

The girl is probably 4 times as strong as Bieber anyway.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 15, 2012, 06:41:14 PM
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Bono should french Bieber like he did Liam back in the day. That would propel U2 to relevance, I bet.

Not the kind of relevance I want to be anywhere near :D

Hey, we don't dictate to almighty Relevance, almighty Relevance dictates to us.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Starman on February 15, 2012, 06:47:01 PM
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Peaks and troughs, peaks and troughs.

Yep.

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Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 15, 2012, 06:57:22 PM
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Oh no, of course not.

Nothing says "relevance" more than a 50 year old guy wearing eyeliner and talking about getting more radio airplay.

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Bono should french Bieber like he did Liam back in the day. That would propel U2 to relevance, I bet.

Not the kind of relevance I want to be anywhere near :D

Hey, we don't dictate to almighty Relevance, almighty Relevance dictates to us.

In that case my tastes are far from relevant now.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: InThisHeartland on February 15, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
Oh I was just thinking about the almost pedophile-ness of that, and how not all publicity is good publicity
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 16, 2012, 04:30:23 AM
I lost my interest in them as a live band on 360°, and have little faith in them coming up with a masterpiece album anymore.
I'm mostly a '90s U2 fan, having become one at age 12 when ZooTV ruled the earth. Pop was their last high water mark for me, from an artistic point of view, and I was the right age not to be disappointed by ATYCLB at the time of its release, although I had problems with it, and never thought of it as a classic album, more like a filler, in-between great albums.

Bomb was a clear let down with the by numbers mentality, but I still went to gigs, as my first one was on Elevation, and Zoo Station was a must hear, and it worked well live too.

Horizon did not convince me, and I dropped it after a couple of months of listening, didn't even want to go to a show, as I felt no originality or power present at the gigs, with the rock element pared down badly and ATYCLB represented beyond its merits.
I'm likely not the only one let down by the clear compromise Horizon represents as an album, and that's a heavier hit than the two mediocre albums preceding it. I'm no longer sure they can release an artistic record (as in uncompromising and running with a musical idea) in fear of losing market ground.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: singnomore on February 16, 2012, 06:40:25 AM
I've a preference for 80's U2 and first became a fan when my sister brought home the War album. I lost my U2Mojo on PoP. Wasn't sure if it was because i overdosed on the whole Zoo TV/Zooropa thing but I was so disappointed that I didn't attend a show - the first and only tour I've missed since i first saw them on the War Tour and to this day I truly regret. I still struggle with PoP though like a fine wine it has grown better with age. Bomb nearly sent me there but unlike a lot of the forum No Line caught my attention (possibly because I see is in a way as a 00's 80's album if that makes any sense!)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: suitoflights on February 16, 2012, 07:53:41 AM
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From 2000 to 2005 I really dropped off the wagon.

My excitement post 1998 was so high that it just came crashing down with the release of ATYCLB. I stopped listening to them - although they're not a band I listen to a lot of these days either (outside when albums get released). I don't have U2 CDs in my car.

Bomb drew me back in, not Vertigo, but Original of the Species and Sometimes You Can't Make It, specifically.

Passengers and Pop had given me such hope, and ATYCLB just disappointed me so much.

it may have been different had elevation toured Australia... perhaps... not sure.

But I just wasn't that interested. I got into lots of other stuff, both old and new, from bands I found more interesting in that 5 year period. 

pretty much agree with this though I didn't like HTDAAB. I thought NLOTH was a step in the right direction but still too many of the slow, dirgy songs with oh oh ohs that have been a feature of a lot of 00s U2.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 16, 2012, 08:58:40 AM
Live I will always enjoy them, but the thing now is that we'll never see them touring with an actual "theme" in mind. That's the focal point of why I find Zoo TV and Popmart so incredibly great compared to anything else. Both had common themes that reflected throughout the show, and it made it that much better to see.

360 was nowhere close to what NLOTH should have been played at, so obviously the songs didn't work out terribly great.

I would love the band to get creative and tour with a message again, a general theme to the public like the days of the 90s. It's funny because Zoo TV and Popmart's themes seem even more relevant now than ever before.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: KitCat on February 16, 2012, 09:23:19 AM
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I would love the band to get creative and tour with a message again, a general theme to the public like the days of the 90s. It's funny because Zoo TV and Popmart's themes seem even more relevant now than ever before.

But they wouldn't go back over ground they've already covered, so what theme do they really have left which is relevant these days. The way I see it, they already cover the overriding main issues of today: war/terrorism/hate/violence etc and the pursuit of social justice and equality. Problem is, if they expand on these issues too far it'll be artistic suicide, they're already being accused of being too preachy. So what do we have left?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 16, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
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I would love the band to get creative and tour with a message again, a general theme to the public like the days of the 90s. It's funny because Zoo TV and Popmart's themes seem even more relevant now than ever before.

But they wouldn't go back over ground they've already covered, so what theme do they really have left which is relevant these days. The way I see it, they already cover the overriding main issues of today: war/terrorism/hate/violence etc and the pursuit of social justice and equality. Problem is, if they expand on these issues too far it'll be artistic suicide, they're already being accused of being too preachy. So what do we have left?

Making music from the heart rather than from the "what will sell/get played?" mentality ?

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 16, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
I guess i have maybe lost my u2 LIVE mojo a little. I feel totally unmoved by the 360 tour. I found it to be full of bland and uninspiring (going thro the motions) performances. I have watched my Rose Bowl 360 DVD once and dont have much desire to see it again.So much do i not like the tour...i actually rate it as my least liked u2 tour i have ever seen (seen all tours since Unforgettable fire)....and thats solely down to the way songs were performed. For me.....u2 are becoming a spent force live. Studio wise, im still loving them, though, i would love to see them push the envelope again
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 16, 2012, 10:09:35 AM
Wow. I thought their performances on 360 were mainly outstanding. But the Rose Bowl DVD does in fact suck. It's lifeless. I've watched it once and probably wont watch it again. I would prefer some of the fan-made multi-cams... They have one of Denver (which was one of the shows I was at).

The energy of both the fans and U2 at the East Lansing, Nashville, and Pittsburgh shows was remarkable. In Pittsburgh, I was brought speechless by their performance of The Fly. Oh well. To each his own, I guess.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 16, 2012, 10:27:04 AM
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Wow. I thought their performances on 360 were mainly outstanding.

What other tours do you have to compare them to?

Im afraid...that compared to every other tour i have witnessed.....musically and vocally....i think u2 have never sounded so ordinary as they did on the 360 tour. The NLOTH songs were good........everything else....has long since seen its best performances.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 16, 2012, 10:30:07 AM
In fact....to nail it down further, i would say Bonos vocal was the main culprit, although, i do think the way the oldies sound now ( i refer to the sounds edge usues on songs, the way larry hits the drums, the modified basslines adam plays) isnt as appealing to my ear as once they were
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 16, 2012, 10:34:01 AM
Okay, fine. The only other show I've been to is the Elevation Tour. Everything else I've only seen on DVD (I would love to have been at Red Rocks... alas, I was 8).

But I dont think rank should be pulled on me since I've only seen shows on two tours personally.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 16, 2012, 10:45:04 AM
Now now...dont be so defensive...i was only intrested in knowing what tours you had witnessed in person to compare the 360 tour against.
Personally speaking....although not my fave tour, and despite the fact it was indoor (im not usually a fan of indoor, but starting to realise its appeal) I would say that the Elevation tour BLEW 360 out of the water...on every level (but most imptrtantly...MUSICALLY)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 16, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
I admit that my one show on the Elevation Tour was more magical than my experiences on 360... But that may be because I lost my husband just weeks before seeing U2 in 2001... Therefore, I was in a sad place at the time... and that show was a very healing moment for me in that very long, scary, sad year. So I think I am more attached to the Elevation Tour because the songs from ATYCLB were kind of a dirge for my grieving... And the show had a very personal feeling for me. I was in the second row in seats... I was going to bail on the show (because I didnt feel like I could go, depression and all) but my friends forced me to go. And I'm so glad they did!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 16, 2012, 11:02:57 AM
See even The Elevation tour had meaning. They were ditching the rock and roll glam of the 90s and going back to smaller venues. They wanted to get situated and intimate with their audience again, and they did.

Granted, there were moments on 360 where I was like WOW, like Zooropa and even most performances of Moment of Surrender. But overall it didn't seem overly special in meaning.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 16, 2012, 11:13:37 AM
Elevation, to me, felt like a personal little club (though in an arena). I love the version of The Fly they were doing then. The shows became even more emotional after 9/11. U2 was unwittingly (without trying) relevant during that tour. I still think ATYCLB is a fantastic album. I like it more now than I did then. Say what you will, but those songs have a lot of heart... They are all very emotional and I dont feel like they were trying too hard.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 16, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
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Elevation, to me, felt like a personal little club (though in an arena). I love the version of The Fly they were doing then. The shows became even more emotional after 9/11. U2 was unwittingly (without trying) relevant during that tour. I still think ATYCLB is a fantastic album. I like it more now than I did then. Say what you will, but those songs have a lot of heart... They are all very emotional and I dont feel like they were trying too hard.

Everything they played during Elevation sounded great. You could sense that they were playing from their hearts on those shows.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 16, 2012, 11:40:51 AM
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Elevation, to me, felt like a personal little club (though in an arena). I love the version of The Fly they were doing then. The shows became even more emotional after 9/11. U2 was unwittingly (without trying) relevant during that tour. I still think ATYCLB is a fantastic album. I like it more now than I did then. Say what you will, but those songs have a lot of heart... They are all very emotional and I dont feel like they were trying too hard.

Everything they played during Elevation sounded great. You could sense that they were playing from their hearts on those shows.
There were some great version of more esablished songs on the tour, and all in all, the elevation tour ranks 3rd for me, in my fave u2 tour list. but for me......SOME of the oldies started their decline about this time, and they have never recovered. To me....its almost as if the band..but certainly Bono, got BORED rigid of performing the songs. The songs just lack ooomph now
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on February 16, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
Not to pile on the 360 tour complaints, but I personally disliked the whole stage design in terms of presenting a rock band.  Maybe it was the general size of it, but the circular walkway and ramps just seemed to mostly divide the band, so instead of looking at a team of four guys who are engaged with each other--or even three guys together while Bono goes off and jumps in the crowd or something--you were reduced to seeing, sort of....oh, there's Edge.......oh Bono's over there.......hey, here comes Adam.....etc.  From my angle, it was rare to see the band playing together, physically.  (Maybe this was more a problem with where my seat was than anything else.)  I know it's an odd complaint, given their previous stage designs and scale, but I realized that I prefer seeing a rock band sort of looking like....a rock band.  Four guys against the world.  Facing you.  Or each other.  It's a small thing, but something I became aware of.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: imaginary friend on February 16, 2012, 04:49:09 PM
never lost it, and there's pretty much no chance that I will. here's 2 reasons why:

1)  I've spent 10 years putting all my really critical faculties into my own work, so when I listen to U2 (or anyone else) it's all about a exciting and/or fun listening experience.

2)   It's been over a decade since I had a period of listening to any U2 album obsessively...or again, to any music by other people.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: So Cruel on February 16, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
I'm not the rabid fan I used to be when I'd go into record shops and hunt for U2 bootlegs like I did when I was 20.

U2 are older and i'm older. I'm in my mid 30's, I have a wife and kid, I have a company to look after, etc.. U2 just are not as important to me as they used to be. I also think that U2 is not as important to U2 as they used to be. They have families and company's to look after also. The band doesn't come 1st anymore. Bono used to put everything he had into singing songs like One, With or Without You, Bad, Pride, etc.. He just doesn't go to that emotional place with those songs like he used to. At the end of the day, I'll always have those bootlegs to remind me how special they really were in their prime.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: xeo on February 16, 2012, 08:02:02 PM
I've been a huge fan since 1987, but have been slowly losing my U2 mojo since ATYCLB. With each album/tour, it gets more pronounced. The real shocker for me came when I realized I wasn't at all disappointed when the 360 tour was postponed in 2010. I had seen a show in 2009 and was thoroughly underwhelmed. I also haven't listened to NLOTH in well over a year, and have no desire to hear it at all. I also rarely listen to ATYCLB and Bomb, and when I do it's with an altered playlist (some songs, like AMAAW, I simply cannot stand, and the original running order of those albums doesn't work for me). Anyway, I no longer have any hope they'll ever be able to release a decent album again. I still love their 80s and 90s material, but I only listen to those in phases now. More than ever, it feels like U2 ended after Pop, and maybe they should just call it quits before it gets any worse.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: BringCitrus on February 16, 2012, 11:44:51 PM
My fandom took a big hit in 2005. I think there were so many changes happening in my life in that period that I was embracing as much as I was trying to move away from this 'old life'. I had grown tired of my entire music collection and started getting into a lot of brand new stuff and just couldn't stand my older tastes anymore. I moved to a new state and in an attempt to save some money, I sold a U2 ticket to a friend. I didn't get back into U2 until a couple years ago. Visiting Dublin and seeing the studios, the "Point Depot" (i'm more into 80s-era U2 than I am 90s or 00s) and other U2-related sites really helped bring me back into it again. Now one of my biggest regrets is not going to that show...it was the 2nd night in Detroit on the Vertigo tour and they played so much stuff I wanted to hear live: Gloria, Crumbs, WGRYWH, First Time. I do agree that the 360 performances were lacking and Bono's voice is deteriorating and making me fear I'll never get to hear these songs live. However, I've been listening to their catalog and old shows very often in the past year or so.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: miami on February 17, 2012, 03:39:52 AM
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I'm not the rabid fan I used to be when I'd go into record shops and hunt for U2 bootlegs like I did when I was 20.

U2 are older and i'm older. I'm in my mid 30's, I have a wife and kid, I have a company to look after, etc.. U2 just are not as important to me as they used to be. I also think that U2 is not as important to U2 as they used to be. They have families and company's to look after also. The band doesn't come 1st anymore. Bono used to put everything he had into singing songs like One, With or Without You, Bad, Pride, etc.. He just doesn't go to that emotional place with those songs like he used to. At the end of the day, I'll always have those bootlegs to remind me how special they really were in their prime.

i'm in exactly the same boat (although i don't own my own company  :'() and i agree with everything you wrote here.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 17, 2012, 07:42:38 AM
Can i just clarify one thing....I still love Album material. Yeah.....overall, comapred to the previous two Decades, the album material has paled in significance...but hey.....how blessed am i to be able to say...i still love the stuff they put out. Shows how high a standard 80s and 90s material was. it was exceptional!
Its just live, more specifically the 360 tour where i have started to question the band. Realistically......the classics which i reffered to in an earlier post, will....IMHO, never be ecplisped (performance wise) again. I just have to accept that pre 00's material, has long sinced peaked in the live environment.
Still like hearing the newer songs live tho

So...in summation, im still happy with album material.....not so happy with live shows
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: hrsan on February 17, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
I wasn't too fond of Pop when it came out.  I thought PopMart was way over the top and felt the band were trying to be something they weren't.    Over the years, Pop has grown on me a bit.  It all depends on the setlists if I want to see them live. 
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Antrim Boy on February 19, 2012, 08:27:18 PM
I think this lull in U2 activity has started making me think over the last few months about my band's 'mojo' and me. Prior to ATYCLB I was hardcore and defended them to the hilt. Even with their wealth and fortune back then, I didn't begrudge their success because their work, their committment to quality and their causes was still admirable and one felt proud that they came from the same island that I came from.

But since this century, the dynamic for me has slowly changed.  I'm still not that keen on ATYCLB although I don't dislike it as much as I used to. I was disappointed they decided to 'play safe' by being more commercial and I was angry that they dismissed Pop so easily as a mistake. So what if it sold less than other albums, it was still superb: daring and challenging. HTDAAB seemed like its predecessor's sequel - great singles, poor filler in between.  However, seeing them live in Cardiff on that tour did re-invigorate them and I forgave the fab 4 for going soft!

Then the tax thing. Oh dear. I have to say the arguments they chose to defend the move - "it's perfectly legal" - sound no different from that of a goverment minister defending some morally dubious policy. I felt embarrased because we all pay taxes to support public services and here was "my band" seemingly trying to avoid them - especially when the country they grew up in was going to the dogs. When I also started hearing about their successful investments in big corporations, I wondered what had happened to the band that were "of the people" back in the 1980s. They seemed to be pale, shallow effigies of those men.

I was, however, pleased that the 5 years away did merit a great 'comeback' album. I still love NLOTH after 3 years now. It's back to an experimental feel which I am pleased about - more of the same please! But Bono spoilt a perfect return by mouthing off about the tour "providing tickets for rich people, too" at a BBC show prior to its launch. I just felt embarrassed for him because these sort of comments confirm the 'tax avoiders' tag they now have. If only I could have gone back in time and told him to shut up! But I did see them in Auckland for 360 and was blown away all over again. So what do I know??!!

I'm not expecting U2 to suddenly change on my account but the tax thing a lot of damage for their public image and defending them to my hipster mates has been a challenge I've given up on -  I'm now agreeing with them. That saddens me a bit as this is a bad I've followed almost religiously for nearly 30 years and now a few so-so records and a few poor public decisions has soiled an beloved obssession I used to have.  I sincerely hope they do surprise me in the future and my undying love for them will return in excelsis. But until them, I'm sceptical.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 20, 2012, 12:41:04 AM
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Then the tax thing. Oh dear. I have to say the arguments they chose to defend the move - "it's perfectly legal" - sound no different from that of a goverment minister defending some morally dubious policy. I felt embarrased because we all pay taxes to support public services and here was "my band" seemingly trying to avoid them - especially when the country they grew up in was going to the dogs.

Just an aside, but I find it interesting that so many in Europe and the UK fault U2 for doing what is considered in my country a godly and virtuous thing, namely, paying as little in taxes as possible regardless of of how it affects lazy poor people.

The teabaggers here must be so proud....
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on February 20, 2012, 02:30:14 AM
Have I lost my U2 mojo? Well, I don’t think so… but you tell me.

Through the 80s up to the mid-90s, I went to as many shows as I could get to. Most of them were GA, so I’d buy a ticket for me, and I knew that my buddies were doing the same. Many of those gigs would be like - every man for himself, and we’ll just meet at the car afterwards.
But then I lost my eyesight somewhere between Zoo TV and Pop Mart. So buying a single ticket just wasn’t going to fly anymore. I still wanted to go, and I still did go, but losing my buddy in GA just wasn’t an option anymore… and for obvious reasons, too. So I’d just always make sure that I bought 2 to 4 tickets for every show, and worry about who’s taking me later.
Nowadays, I’m usually with my wife, and there’s always some @U2ers to hang with at each gig. But in the last few years, some of my nieces and nephews have grown up, and so all those extra tickets I’d buy would go to them. I’ve heard there’s a ballot going around my family with my name on it, for  “Greatest Uncle in the World”. But that could just be a rumor.
What I found is that I haven’t lost any mojo, I’m just sharing it with my nieces and nephews. They know nothing of Paul McGuiness, the band’s taxes, the fan club, U2 Duals, safe songs for radio, or the million dollar box-set. What they saw was a live performance that blew their socks off… and all from the front inner pit that their blind uncle got them to. I’ve been to over 10 U2 shows since the lights went out for me, and over half of those I somehow got into the inner-pit. I might have to work a bit harder to make that happen, but whatever way I get in there, or even to a seat, it’s always worth it.
So yeah, I think the mojo’s intact, even as I give a lot of it away.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 08:13:16 AM
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Then the tax thing. Oh dear. I have to say the arguments they chose to defend the move - "it's perfectly legal" - sound no different from that of a goverment minister defending some morally dubious policy. I felt embarrased because we all pay taxes to support public services and here was "my band" seemingly trying to avoid them - especially when the country they grew up in was going to the dogs.

Just an aside, but I find it interesting that so many in Europe and the UK fault U2 for doing what is considered in my country a godly and virtuous thing, namely, paying as little in taxes as possible regardless of of how it affects lazy poor people.

The teabaggers here must be so proud....

Yeah, tax evasion is a sport over here!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 08:32:13 AM
"Really, were you ever a true fan if you can so easily be “done” with the band?"

Oh brother, the "true fan" police again ?

So someone can have been a fan fo r20-30 years, seen hundreds of concerts, spent thousands of dollars and if they "lose their mojo" then they were never a "true fan" according to some ???

SMH

A lot.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 08:55:27 AM
This whole u2 Tax thing P155E5 me off no end. Bottom line....show me ONE person who wouldnt rather pay less taxes IF they could swing it and i will show you a liar!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 08:56:56 AM
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This whole u2 Tax thing P155E5 me off no end. Bottom line....show me ONE person who wouldnt rather pay less taxes IF they could swing it and i will show you a liar!

Oh yes. I want to pay more taxes. Every year, I give the government a little extra money. And I ask them to keep any return they want to give me. I love paying taxes. Please make the tax rate higher so that I can pay more. In fact, take my whole check. I dont need all that money anyway. :)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 09:07:50 AM
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This whole u2 Tax thing P155E5 me off no end. Bottom line....show me ONE person who wouldnt rather pay less taxes IF they could swing it and i will show you a liar!

I don't know about other people , but wanting to pay less taxes doesn't bother me one bit.

Wanting to pay less taxes in your own country then lobbying foreign governments to use their citizens' tax money for a pet cause bothers me a lot though.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
I dont see why it should bother anyone to be honest. . . i really dont get it. Its a sad day when people get on your back....for fighting for those who dont have a voice.
I dont work, coz of health issues....so i dont pay any taxes whatsoever. is it hypocritical of me to care about and want the best for the poor and needy of this world?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
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I dont see why it should bother anyone to be honest. . .

Hypocrisy bothers me. Maybe it's just me though.


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i really dont get it. Its a sad day when people get on your back....for fighting for those who dont have a voice.

Well, someone coming over to my country asking my President to spend my tax money on his causes when he has gone out of his way to limit his tax liability just doesn't sit well with me. I know I'm not alone in this. Regardless of the worthiness of the cause. 

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I dont work, coz of health issues....so i dont pay any taxes whatsoever.

Maybe if you paid taxes you'd see why it bothers some people.



Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 09:45:53 AM


U2s total income from outwith Ireland accounts for about 98% of their income. So why shouldnt they base themselves internationally for tax reasons? Seems the appropriate thing to do from where i sit.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 09:50:39 AM
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U2s total income from outwith Ireland accounts for about 98% of their income. So why shouldnt they base themselves internationally for tax reasons? Seems the appropriate thing to do from where i sit.



They should do what they can to minimize paying taxes.

But if you minimize paying taxes in your own country don't come to mine asking for my tax money for your cause. That just makes you a hypocrite.


Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 09:58:31 AM
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U2s total income from outwith Ireland accounts for about 98% of their income. So why shouldnt they base themselves internationally for tax reasons? Seems the appropriate thing to do from where i sit.



They should do what they can to minimize paying taxes.

But if you minimize paying taxes in your own country don't come to mine asking for my tax money for your cause. That just makes you a hypocrite.
So...it would sit easier with you if bono was just another lazy, emotionally detached, rich b****** who didnt give a flying f*** about anyone or anyhting?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 10:25:10 AM
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U2s total income from outwith Ireland accounts for about 98% of their income. So why shouldnt they base themselves internationally for tax reasons? Seems the appropriate thing to do from where i sit.



They should do what they can to minimize paying taxes.

But if you minimize paying taxes in your own country don't come to mine asking for my tax money for your cause. That just makes you a hypocrite.
So...it would sit easier with you if bono was just another lazy, emotionally detached, rich b****** who didnt give a flying f*** about anyone or anyhting?

No it would sit easier with me if Bono didn't come to my country asking for my tax money when he's taking steps to move his company's tax liability out of his own country.

You admittedly don't pay taxes, so I don't expect you to understand.



Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 10:31:57 AM
Oh....i have paid PLENTY of taxes in the past....but i guess the fact my circumstances are different now, somehow makes my opinion is less valid, at least, in your world?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: lorijane on February 20, 2012, 10:38:34 AM
My understanding is that the individuals involved with U2 pay plenty of taxes, and that only a portion of the U2 corporation relocated.  I imagine Bono pays more in taxes each year than many of us will pay in a lifetime.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
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Oh....i have paid PLENTY of taxes in the past....but i guess the fact my circumstances are different now, somehow makes my opinion is less valid?

Well clearly you keep missing the point I'm making. I htought maybe that was a contributor. Obviously there's another reason.

Am I against his company minimizing it's tax liability in his home country ? As a standalone action, no.

Am I against his altruism and activism ? No

If Bono wants to lobby for my money directly for a charity/cause, fine.

But when he's lobbying for money my Government has already collected from me, well that's a lot different. As long as he's making effort into minimizing his own company's tax liability in his own country, him asking for my tax money makes him a hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.





Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 10:43:41 AM
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My understanding is that the individuals involved with U2 pay plenty of taxes, and that only a portion of the U2 corporation relocated.  I imagine Bono pays more in taxes each year than many of us will pay in a lifetime.

Not the point.

The fact that he pays scads more in taxes than I do doesn't matter one whit.

I don't care if he's minimizing his tax liability in his own country by 1% or 99%, the fact that he's doing it all negates any right to lobby for even one penny of my tax $$ as far as I'm concerned.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 10:54:57 AM
Personally, I'd rather have my tax money go to Bono's causes than where it's currently going (military, war, a lot of other wasteful things I dont agree with).
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: lorijane on February 20, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
Apples and oranges as far as individual tax liability and corporate tax liability, in my opinion.  U2 as an entity must have hundreds of employees, and I assume they all pay taxes. Bono could've relocated out of Ireland to a tax haven a long time ago, many celebs do. I get people are pi**ed at Bono, but corporate U2 (which Bono does not control) and its tax situation is not the same as Bono and his own personal tax situation,  but I get it, perception is reality.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Antrim Boy on February 20, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
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Personally, I'd rather have my tax money go to Bono's causes than where it's currently going (military, war, a lot of other wasteful things I dont agree with).

Yes but it also pays for schools, hospitals, conservation, foreign aid, the arts and basic public services we all need. If we could pick and choose what we pay taxes for we'd be in a worse financial state than we are in now and the people we "want taxes to go to" would suffer even more.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 11:24:35 AM
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Personally, I'd rather have my tax money go to Bono's causes than where it's currently going (military, war, a lot of other wasteful things I dont agree with).

Yes but it also pays for schools, hospitals, conservation, foreign aid, the arts and basic public services we all need. If we could pick and choose what we pay taxes for we'd be in a worse financial state than we are in now and the people we "want taxes to go to" would suffer even more.

Well, my government is having some serious problems appropriating funds... I wish I could elect where my taxes go. As a pacifist, I dont support the current war in the middle east. I'd rather have MY money go towards stuff I care about, ie, the above mentioned public services, school, parks, etc.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 20, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
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This whole u2 Tax thing P155E5 me off no end. Bottom line....show me ONE person who wouldnt rather pay less taxes IF they could swing it and i will show you a liar!

I don't know about other people , but wanting to pay less taxes doesn't bother me one bit.

Me neither.  In fact I would like EVERYONE to pay less tax, especially hardworking families on far modest incomes than U2. 

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Wanting to pay less taxes in your own country then lobbying foreign governments to use their citizens' tax money for a pet cause bothers me a lot though.

Hypocrisy bothers me too.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 12:07:25 PM
Well...call me naive...but i think the fact that there are people who are prepared to put so much effort into improving life for countless millions of people is way more important than where that person choses to pay his or her taxes. bare in mind, this isnt a fashion statement from Bono...he has activley been campaigning on behalf of the poor since WAY before u2 were coining it in, before even Live Aid was a concept!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 20, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
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Apples and oranges as far as individual tax liability and corporate tax liability, in my opinion.  U2 as an entity must have hundreds of employees, and I assume they all pay taxes. Bono could've relocated out of Ireland to a tax haven a long time ago, many celebs do. I get people are pi**ed at Bono, but corporate U2 (which Bono does not control) and its tax situation is not the same as Bono and his own personal tax situation,  but I get it, perception is reality.

I agree with this.  And as you say, perception matters and so it's damaging to Bono's credibility when he calls on other people to pay taxes to fund his pet causes.

I still don't know how much income tax Bono & Co actually pay in Ireland, where as I know how much Elton John and Sting pay in the UK.  I wonder if any Irish fans can access Ireland's company accounts the way we can in the UK and put some meat on the bones.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 20, 2012, 12:11:46 PM
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Well...call me naive...but i think the fact that there are people who are prepared to put so much effort into improving life for countless millions of people is way more important than where that person choses to pay his or her taxes. bare in mind, this isnt a fashion statement from Bono...he has activley been campaigning on behalf of the poor since WAY before u2 were coining it in, before even Live Aid was a concept!


Bono can still do all this AND pay his taxes in his home country, like U2 were happy to do for decades when wealthy artists in Ireland had generous tax reliefs of royalties. 

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 12:23:18 PM
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Well...call me naive...but i think the fact that there are people who are prepared to put so much effort into improving life for countless millions of people is way more important than where that person choses to pay his or her taxes. bare in mind, this isnt a fashion statement from Bono...he has activley been campaigning on behalf of the poor since WAY before u2 were coining it in, before even Live Aid was a concept!


Bono can still do all this AND pay his taxes in his home country, like U2 were happy to do for decades when wealthy artists in Ireland had generous tax reliefs of royalties. 



And again Smee missed the issue some of us have.

It's like watching David Beckham trying to score a penalty at the World cup.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 20, 2012, 12:34:51 PM
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I dont see why it should bother anyone to be honest. . . i really dont get it. Its a sad day when people get on your back....for fighting for those who dont have a voice.
I dont work, coz of health issues....so i dont pay any taxes whatsoever. is it hypocritical of me to care about and want the best for the poor and needy of this world?

It's just incredibly simpleminded to cast the issue in terms of "wanting to pay more or fewer taxes." I'm not singling you out, mate, it happens here in the U.S. all the time. The fact is, when a company like General Electric pays no taxes at all, something is wrong with the system (that GE helped create for themselves).
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 20, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
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Well...call me naive...but i think the fact that there are people who are prepared to put so much effort into improving life for countless millions of people is way more important than where that person choses to pay his or her taxes. bare in mind, this isnt a fashion statement from Bono...he has activley been campaigning on behalf of the poor since WAY before u2 were coining it in, before even Live Aid was a concept!


Bono can still do all this AND pay his taxes in his home country, like U2 were happy to do for decades when wealthy artists in Ireland had generous tax reliefs of royalties. 



And again Smee missed the issue some of us have.

It's like watching David Beckham trying to score a penalty at the World cup.

If there was a proper injustice in this...enuff to make me feel agreived..i might even be prepared to agree with you. Your whole arguement is based on..if you dont pay taxes in your own country, dont come to my country, with cap in hand, to help you and your pet projects. Well i couldnt care less where or if anyone pays taxes or not. The imprtant thing to me is that they care enuff about people, to try and change the world for the better.

There are plenty bigger injustices going on in this world to worry about, way more than where a man pays his taxes. Tell me, to all those who obviously have an agenda with Bono....whats the real reasons behind the ill feeling? i dont for a minute believe it stems from the whole tax situation. mibees u2 shunned your hometown on the last tour or something?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Antrim Boy on February 20, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
I'm wondering if our differences of opinion on this tax thing may be a left-right divider here. Just wondering (not stirring).

I really don't understand the point of view of people who say 'why should we care U2 do with their taxes? Don't we all want to pay less tax'? Well, speaking personally I'm happy to pay tax because I know the good it does. I can see from first hand the good work of full-time carers in our fine hospitals, the great art galleries that are free for all to see and the hard work teachers do to help our young people grow as human beings. So do you really think that paying less tax is a good thing for all these people? Any sane, rational person would say of course not. I work with colleagues who are directly involved in public services politics and know first hand of the daily difficulties of men and women who work very hard to do all this and rely upon our tax dollars to put food on the table. And yet all these right-wingers with friends in big business go on and on the size of 'bloated' public services which means every single one of their precious jobs are on the line. It's very easy to give a glib 'so what' to those who avoid tax but I do care if tax is avoided. That money which is being lost is not helping those hospitals who desperately need vital equipment, those teachers who already overworked and underappreciated and those galleries who have to sell their prized possessions to make ends meet.

So, sorry if I'm out of step with y'all who seem to think it's perfectly ok for people to avoid tax - I'm very happy to pay tax to ensure we have good public servants doing the great work that they do. I'll get off my soapbox now. [/rant]
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 02:25:36 PM
So, Antrim Boy, I assume you never take deductions in your taxes then? You just freely give out what the government asks for without looking for ways to cut down the amount you owe? How valorous!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Antrim Boy on February 20, 2012, 02:29:09 PM
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So, Antrim Boy, I assume you never take deductions in your taxes then? You just freely give out what the government asks for without looking for ways to cut down the amount you owe? How valorous!

Stupid question...of course I do.  And no I don't seek out ways to avoid tax....honestly, I don't and I don't know anyone who does. ANYONE. Weird, that? Hmm.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 02:34:23 PM
I take any and all deductions I can... Isnt that kind of like tax avoidance?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 20, 2012, 02:37:06 PM
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Tell me, to all those who obviously have an agenda with Bono....whats the real reasons behind the ill feeling? i dont for a minute believe it stems from the whole tax situation. mibees u2 shunned your hometown on the last tour or something?

I don't have an 'agenda' with Bono, as a matter of fact I think Bono is one of the most remarkable people of his generation.  I just feel that Bono/U2 have lost a lot of credibility in order to swell their already swollen money bags that bit more.  So it just doesn't sit well with me when Bono exhorts my country to be generous with my taxes in our overseas aid/development budget (not that my country needs persuading by Bono), while he and U2 are busy minimizing their taxes through offshore companies, and it never will.  Although I accept opinion is divided on this issue on the forum.  I feel especially disappointed with their decision because for years I naively thought that U2 weren't obsessed with making money and accumulating wealth, unlike the Stones for example, but in recent years I've realised that that is what they're about.

And I am pi**ed off with U2 for playing yet another European tour in stadiums, and that is largely about screwing as much money as possible out of their fans too.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 20, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
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I take any and all deductions I can... Isnt that kind of like tax avoidance?

They just exist to give the little person the illusion that we're getting one over on the government and so make us feel better.  In reality, the little person will be getting royally screwed by the government.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Antrim Boy on February 20, 2012, 02:46:22 PM
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Tell me, to all those who obviously have an agenda with Bono....whats the real reasons behind the ill feeling? i dont for a minute believe it stems from the whole tax situation. mibees u2 shunned your hometown on the last tour or something?

I don't have an 'agenda' with Bono, as a matter of fact I think Bono is one of the most remarkable people of his generation.  I just feel that Bono/U2 have lost a lot of credibility in order to swell their already money bags that bit more.  So it just doesn't sit well with me when Bono exhorts my country to be generous with my taxes in our overseas aid/development budget (not that my country needs persuading by Bono), while he and U2 are busy minimizing their taxes through offshore companies, and it never will.  Although I accept opinion is divided on this issue on the forum.  I feel especially disappointed with their decision because for years I naively thought that U2 weren't obsessed with making money and accumulating wealth, unlike the Stones for example, but in recent years I've realised that that is what they're about.


+1...

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 02:52:15 PM
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Well...call me naive...but i think the fact that there are people who are prepared to put so much effort into improving life for countless millions of people is way more important than where that person choses to pay his or her taxes. bare in mind, this isnt a fashion statement from Bono...he has activley been campaigning on behalf of the poor since WAY before u2 were coining it in, before even Live Aid was a concept!


Bono can still do all this AND pay his taxes in his home country, like U2 were happy to do for decades when wealthy artists in Ireland had generous tax reliefs of royalties. 



And again Smee missed the issue some of us have.

It's like watching David Beckham trying to score a penalty at the World cup.

If there was a proper injustice in this...enuff to make me feel agreived..i might even be prepared to agree with you. Your whole arguement is based on..if you dont pay taxes in your own country, dont come to my country, with cap in hand, to help you and your pet projects. Well i couldnt care less where or if anyone pays taxes or not. The imprtant thing to me is that they care enuff about people, to try and change the world for the better.

There are plenty bigger injustices going on in this world to worry about, way more than where a man pays his taxes. Tell me, to all those who obviously have an agenda with Bono....whats the real reasons behind the ill feeling? i dont for a minute believe it stems from the whole tax situation. mibees u2 shunned your hometown on the last tour or something?

My hometown get plenty of shows. Never gets missed.

If you don't get why it bothers me then fair enough. I pay taxes, and a foreigner who makes moves to not pay them in his own country but wants to use my tax money for his pet causes, worthwhile or not is a hypocrite who is not entitled to a voice in how my pennies get used.

The end.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 20, 2012, 02:54:44 PM
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I take any and all deductions I can... Isnt that kind of like tax avoidance?

No.

It's avoidance if you're taking a deduction you're not entitled to.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: u2fanBarb...barely conscious on February 20, 2012, 03:50:44 PM
I lost it a few months ago when I was going through a period of some pretty serious depression. Surgery and a near death experience afterward put my head at a strange place....I lost interest in U2 and a lot of other things. Gradually, though, I'm getting it back and- it's like I'm almost experiencing  their music for the first time and makes me understand why I became an addict of it in the first place.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: teacher_mommy_u2fan on February 20, 2012, 04:08:08 PM
I'm one of those fans who just loves this band and their music, period. Do I love every song they have ever recorded? Absolutely not, but there is not a single album that I despise either. Does Bono (whom I adore) ever irritate the heck the out of me? Yes, many times and recently too, but the message in his lyrics keeps me coming back. Have I gone through periods where I don't listen them to them as often? Yes but that's always been more a matter of time and not listening to much music at all. Do I think they hit they're peak in the 90's? Sadly, maybe so, but they were in their 30s and could truly be experimental without being ridiculous. Bono tried to push the envelope (and poorly so) with the guyliner look and got slammed. How experimental can you be when you're 50 without coming across as ridiculous and desperate? We, as fans, cannot have it both it ways. As long as they are still making music and touring, I will still be buying their albums and tickets. Say what you will, but no other band has spoken to me in quite the same as this one, and I'm going to continue to listen.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on February 20, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
This is a great topic.  I wish you would start a new one (back to the subject matter at hand) and have the usual "experts" just post on that one.

Ive lost my U2 mojo more than once.   The first was when AB came out.   I was seriously in need of a new album from them and with the exception of Mysterious Ways, was grossly underwhelmed.    I liked Zooropa better than AB but then totally lost it when Discotheque led off Pop.   I was interested in SATS and Please but it was relatively short lived.   HUGE HUGE mojo-building return for me with ATYCLB and Bomb.   Having said all that, I wouldnt have missed a show regardless of their recordings.    I thought Popmart was their best.   Fast-forward to present day.   I bought tix to see 360 but ended up selling them.   I thought NLOTH was okay but it seriously missed its potential, courtesy of SPIDERMAN (should be a four letter word).    I currently have very little mo2jo but I still at least visit this fan site.   Will I get it back?     
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 20, 2012, 07:33:19 PM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I wasn't with the band early on, but I was a fan during their pre-AB days - since 1988, and I can honestly say I thought it was an incredibly exciting time to be a fan; I loved the whole reinvention of music & image, and UTEOTW became my new favourite song the instant I first heard it.  And amazingly, at the same, R.E.M were going through their epic era, and Prince's music had also gone in a new direction.  Interesting times for me as a fan of all three, and what's more, as I was in my late teens, I was at the perfect age to experience it all.  So I guess you can say that was one of my 'peaks'. :)  Post Zooropa tour was a 'trough', and Passengers passed me by like a train heading in the wrong direction.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 20, 2012, 07:46:58 PM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I wasn't with the band early on, but I was a fan during their pre-AB days - since 1988, and I can honestly say I thought it was an incredibly exciting time to be a fan; I loved the whole reinvention of music & image, and UTEOTW became my new favourite song the instant I first heard it.  And amazingly, at the same, R.E.M were going through their epic era, and Prince's music had also gone in a new direction.  Interesting times for me as a fan of all three, and what's more, as I was in my late teens, I was at the perfect age to experience it all.  So I guess you can say that was one of my 'peaks'. :)  Post Zooropa tour was a 'trough', and Passengers passed me by like a train heading in the wrong direction.

Yeah, I cant imagine anything better than AB, honestly. I mean, when that album came out, I listened to it like twice a day, every day. It really, really spoke to me. Acrobat was my favorite song... I mean, what angsty, confused teenager (as I was) couldn't get behind the line, "And I'd join the movement, if there was one I could believe in. Yeah, I'd break bread and wine, if there was a church I could receive in... Cuz I NEED IT NOW!" :)

But man. I mean, I knew of U2 before that album... I fell in love with the band when that album came out. It was the first U2 album I ever owned, in fact. I still love Mysterious Ways, too, because that was the song I heard on the radio that made me buy the album. I just cant imagine my teenage year without AB.

I loved Zooropa a lot too. It came out the summer I graduated from high school. It fit the mood of the time for me, too. I loved Dirty Day, the lines "These days, days, days run away like horses over the hill." Also described where I was at at that time. My whole life was about to change and I was excited and scared at the same time.

I missed out on the whole Pop thing. I was worried about what U2 had become with the lead-off Discotheque. (I love that song now, btw.) I dont think I was ready for that change. I had heard the album sucked and so I never bought it (shame on me). I had all of U2's back catalog by then... I guess I lost my mojo during that period. I came back to them with ATYCLB and, yeah, I like that album a lot now. I liked it okay at the time, but I felt there was a huge change from the U2 I fell in love with...

I now own Pop, love it, and realize it was probably a mistake to ignore U2 at that time. PopMart looked like it was a great tour. My bad!!

HTDAAB and NLOTH both brought my mojo back. But not like it was as a teenager.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: ZooTV8 on February 20, 2012, 08:04:29 PM
U2 mojo beginning to wain.  Keep thinking about Bono's quote about "who needs ANOTHER U2 album."  The answer is clear.  I do.  Looking forward to the possibility that (a least a portion of) The Edge's upcoming MTV documentary film score will be available for charitable download.  Twitter @VelcroBoatShoes Lance A Schart, Chicago, IL USA
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: NOLA Fly on February 21, 2012, 03:16:39 AM
Um, no.  Has there been some instances where I wish they would have made different decisions? Sure.  The running order to HTDAAB bugs me and it sounds overdone in spots.  Not releasing MOS or at least Magnificent as the first single off NLOTH was a bad move.  I fully believe that if Boots had just been an album track and not the lead single, people wouldn't have complained about it so much and the album itself would have garnered more attention.  I mean, I like the song and all, but leading with it came off as them trying to relive Vertigo.  But, overall, my favorite band continues to put out quality work that inspires and moves me three decades into their career.  That is a rare and special thing.  I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Bads316 on February 21, 2012, 05:33:38 AM
Never lost my mojo, I know when it's time to listen to something else and wait for that itch to come back (admittedly it takes a while nowadays) Over the past ten years I don't feel like I've changed my perception of U2 but sadly they've changed my perception of them. They've done things I would never of thought they would do, they've (seemingly) compromised their music for 'the pop kids' that they claimed they did not need. Beforehand it was just to good to ignore. They've become business men. They've almost become celebrity - a tightrope that they need to get off and quick. They've tried so desperately to keep up with the times, and that is what it all comes down to, not wanting to be left behind 'Look we're hip, I got an I-pod WAIT FOR MEEEE'. It's just so obvious, too obvious - like a middle aged man sucking in his gut for the ladies at the beach. Heck maybe that's part of the resentment, we see them getting old and we know that that means we are too, damn them for it!

U2 have almost embraced becoming just another band in the big wide world, just happy to be here - they've let their past define their importance. It feels like the world is just waiting for them to go away. The goodwill towards them was at all time peak on the Elevation tour and yet by the time Vertigo had ended it seemed they'd spent it in a rush of hit singles and over confidence. Look at Bono on the Elevation tour - I see a humble man, a man of the people, no BS, a fantastic performer who was moving, uplifting and aggressive in equal measure. Look at him on the Vertigo tour where he brought the preacher rock star complete with 'stage moves' and he whacked that baby up to the point where not even their staunchest defenders could ignore how crass and overblown it had become. By the time you get to 360 it's a very tired band, still able to put on good shows of course - they can do that with their eyes closed, why should that be so remarkable?  We laud them for being the best yet patronise them for being able to still play.

Do I think they're content with where they currently sit? Hell no, and that is a very good thing indeed. After all if there is no problem then why liken the now to '89. Why push the need for re-birth and relevancy if they're satisfied with where they are. They could easily just carry on as they are a la the dear ol' Stones and we'll all blindly follow whilst complaining and praising the good old days when U2 put on new and fresh sets in the 360 days :) I know most of it is just Bono mouthing off, but in hindsight his mouthing off is usually a good indicator of intentions at least if not always the final product.

They had a chance to show a different path for the old guard, to forage new ground in an expanding career - and they still might. The mojo and faith are still intact for me. Bottom line is it doesn't matter how many ads, or corporate dollars they accept for the privilege of touring the world or how many compilations we get in the next ten years, or how much crap Jabba spouts or EVEN if Edge continues to wear that bloody Madonna mic on stage, none of it can ever change what the songs have always done and will always do.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 21, 2012, 06:57:36 AM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 21, 2012, 11:12:31 AM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable

Yeah, I think in order for someone to understand how much of a sucker-punch AB was they needed to have been a big fan during at least part of the '80s. Stumbling upon their catalogue all at once won't do justice to AB's uniqueness.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 11:17:00 AM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable

Yeah, I think in order for someone to understand how much of a sucker-punch AB was they needed to have been a big fan during at least part of the '80s. Stumbling upon their catalogue all at once won't do justice to AB's uniqueness.

I guess for me as someone who became a U2 fan with AB, I see the whole thing backwards. To me, it's AB as the sound of U2... and all the stuff before was the U2 before AB. And, yes, October is my favorite album... for entirely different reasons... but AB still stands alone in my head as the definitive U2 record. Which I guess makes me a second generation fan.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 21, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable

Yeah, I think in order for someone to understand how much of a sucker-punch AB was they needed to have been a big fan during at least part of the '80s. Stumbling upon their catalogue all at once won't do justice to AB's uniqueness.

I guess for me as someone who became a U2 fan with AB, I see the whole thing backwards. To me, it's AB as the sound of U2... and all the stuff before was the U2 before AB. And, yes, October is my favorite album... for entirely different reasons... but AB still stands alone in my head as the definitive U2 record. Which I guess makes me a second generation fan.

Don't feel bad about being a second generation fan. At least you're not a third generationer, right?

Relax everyone, I use my elitism as a defense mechanism to cover up all my insecurities....
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 21, 2012, 11:54:23 AM
LOL :-)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 12:03:01 PM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable

Yeah, I think in order for someone to understand how much of a sucker-punch AB was they needed to have been a big fan during at least part of the '80s. Stumbling upon their catalogue all at once won't do justice to AB's uniqueness.

I guess for me as someone who became a U2 fan with AB, I see the whole thing backwards. To me, it's AB as the sound of U2... and all the stuff before was the U2 before AB. And, yes, October is my favorite album... for entirely different reasons... but AB still stands alone in my head as the definitive U2 record. Which I guess makes me a second generation fan.

Don't feel bad about being a second generation fan. At least you're not a third generationer, right?

Relax everyone, I use my elitism as a defense mechanism to cover up all my insecurities....

I wasnt getting defensive! Really, I wasnt. I should have put a smiley after that. :) I was just making the observation that I must be a second generation fan. Which is fine. It's just weird when AB impacted your life as much as it did mine and you realized that that same album was a jumping off point for a lot of fans. I'm actually very surprised. AB usually gets really great reviews by people on this forum.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 21, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable

Yeah, I think in order for someone to understand how much of a sucker-punch AB was they needed to have been a big fan during at least part of the '80s. Stumbling upon their catalogue all at once won't do justice to AB's uniqueness.

I guess for me as someone who became a U2 fan with AB, I see the whole thing backwards. To me, it's AB as the sound of U2... and all the stuff before was the U2 before AB. And, yes, October is my favorite album... for entirely different reasons... but AB still stands alone in my head as the definitive U2 record. Which I guess makes me a second generation fan.

Don't feel bad about being a second generation fan. At least you're not a third generationer, right?

Relax everyone, I use my elitism as a defense mechanism to cover up all my insecurities....

I wasnt getting defensive! Really, I wasnt. I should have put a smiley after that. :) I was just making the observation that I must be a second generation fan. Which is fine. It's just weird when AB impacted your life as much as it did mine and you realized that that same album was a jumping off point for a lot of fans. I'm actually very surprised. AB usually gets really great reviews by people on this forum.

Nah, I wasn't reading any defensiveness into your statement, I just saw it as a chance to take a dig at the 3G-ers!

U2 fandom is kind of like A Brave New World where Alphas are glad they're Alphas, while Betas are glad they're not Alphas (because that would be too much pressure), but they're really glad they're not Gammas (because they're lame).

I'm bored.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 12:31:02 PM
The sad thing is that I understood that analogy... :)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 21, 2012, 12:34:21 PM
I'm a third generation fan who wishes to be 2nd generation.  :D
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 12:53:41 PM
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I'm a third generation fan who wishes to be 2nd generation.  :D

At least you arent a second generation fan who was greatly affected by AB... but never saw a single ZooTV show. :(

I was a teenager... my parents weren't concert-goers. I didnt have any friends into U2.  :-[ :-[ :'( :'( :'(

Cry me a river.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 21, 2012, 12:59:31 PM
Similar situation, I was too young,13, just got a copied cassette of Achtung Baby, and didn't even know about the concept of tours, even though we had a Zooropa gig here. I really wish I hadn't missed Popmart in Vienna though. I found U2 friends a year after Popmart... grrr.
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Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 21, 2012, 01:11:15 PM
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I'm a third generation fan who wishes to be 2nd generation.  :D

At least you arent a second generation fan who was greatly affected by AB... but never saw a single ZooTV show. :(

I was a teenager... my parents weren't concert-goers. I didnt have any friends into U2.  :-[ :-[ :'( :'( :'(

Cry me a river.

I feel for ya. My dad almost went to Zoo TV, but didn't. Neither of us know why either.

He does regret it somewhat to this day.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 01:20:04 PM
That's funny, SD, I'm the same way: the concept of a tour was kind of lost on me. I was 15, tho. If I could go back in time, I'd go to ZooTV and PopMart.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 21, 2012, 01:40:47 PM
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Similar situation, I was too young,13, just got a copied cassette of Achtung Baby, and didn't even know about the concept of tours, even though we had a Zooropa gig here. I really wish I hadn't missed Popmart in Vienna though. I found U2 friends a year after Popmart... grrr.

Hey, I was at Popmart Vienna!

PS - Trust me, all you Betas and Gammas, being an Alpha is no picnic. Just keep listening to Stuck in a Moment and be thankful that you don't have all those amazing memories to sift through all day.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 02:06:10 PM
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Similar situation, I was too young,13, just got a copied cassette of Achtung Baby, and didn't even know about the concept of tours, even though we had a Zooropa gig here. I really wish I hadn't missed Popmart in Vienna though. I found U2 friends a year after Popmart... grrr.

Hey, I was at Popmart Vienna!

PS - Trust me, all you Betas and Gammas, being an Alpha is no picnic. Just keep listening to Stuck in a Moment and be thankful that you don't have all those amazing memories to sift through all day.

LOL!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on February 21, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
So wait, just curious, are considering 1st gen fans to be 80's, 2nd gen 90's, and 3rd gen 00's?

If that's the case, I would be a very late 1st-gen fan.  AB was the first album I was already "on-board" for, but it was JT that had originally made me a fan sometime around 1989.
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Post by: The Exile on February 21, 2012, 04:48:17 PM
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So wait, just curious, are considering 1st gen fans to be 80's, 2nd gen 90's, and 3rd gen 00's?

If that's the case, I would be a very late 1st-gen fan.  AB was the first album I was already "on-board" for, but it was JT that had originally made me a fan sometime around 1989.

Well, Mars Girl called herself 2G because AB was what got her into U2, but it was my own Huxleyan nomenclature that translated this into Alphas, Betas, and Gammas.

PS - Just having a bit of fun is all.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: teacher_mommy_u2fan on February 21, 2012, 05:13:06 PM
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It's kind of weird for me to read people losing their mojo at AB... when that's the album that grabbed me, made me a fan. But I guess a lot of the people who were with the band early on were worried about this change in direction, eh?
I would say, my biggest ever WTF moment regarding u2, came when i heard the opening seconds of the very first AB track i ever heard. I was gobsmakced...the impact that the opening of Zoo Station had....for a fan at that time....was indescribeable. To go from Rattle and hum to that, wow....it was truly unbelievable

Yeah, I think in order for someone to understand how much of a sucker-punch AB was they needed to have been a big fan during at least part of the '80s. Stumbling upon their catalogue all at once won't do justice to AB's uniqueness.
These statement's could not be truer. I started following them in the JT/R&H phase because they were the antithesis of the hair metal that my friends were into, but I was in junior high/early high school at the time. When AB came out, I expected more of the same. This was pre-internet and we didn't have cable so I wasn't able to follow all of the MTV hype surrounding the release. My then boyfriend (now husband) bought me the cassette as a gift, and I remember sitting there completely shocked, but in the best way, by what I was hearing. It truly was a departure from what they had done just a few short years earlier. AB is still my favorite ablbum. Sadly, I missed the ZooTV spectacle. They hit Chicago just weeks before my 17th birthday, and after having lost my mom earlier that year, my dad was not willing to let me make the trip into the city with friends who were going. I still to this day regret missing it especially since I've missed so many other tours since then. ( I guess I'm a late 1st generation fan too :).)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 21, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
Well I could be a really late first gen fan too, only I didn't know it was U2 whose music I loved :-) As I've written elsewhere, at 7 we were driving to Istria by the Adriatic sea, in the summer of '87 (my first time to see any sea) and in the car we had a charts comp. cassette with Rick Astley (exactly that song), Travelling Wilburys, Michael Jackson's Bad, Moonlight Shadow, Tell Me Lies, Wonderful Life by Black and With Or Without You, and WOWY was the song that stuck with me.

I started to actively look for the name U2 after I saw the buffalo video to One on MTV Europe at 12, and it turned out they wrote WOWY. Then there was a U2 weekend, and the history mix had a short snippet of Pride, and an even shorter one of Bad from Live Aid, and the mistery thickened, and I was hooked. I had to wait a long time to hear those songs in full as I didn't know their discography, and had no access to record stores for two more years. All I had was MTV and other channels.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 21, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
I'm the same way. I had heard Pride before (I have vivid memories of it as the background song for a period of my life), and i later knew WOWY.. And ISHFWLF ans Streets. And I swear I have vague memories of having heard With A Shout somewhere... And I also remember hearing NYD on the radio on a New Year's Eve in middle school. But I never connected this all as the same band until after I bought AB (also on cassette --still have it) and explored U2's back catalog....
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Kurukira on February 21, 2012, 06:16:41 PM
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I'm a third generation fan who wishes to be 2nd generation.  :D

At least you arent a second generation fan who was greatly affected by AB... but never saw a single ZooTV show. :(


I'm an example of that.. :(
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Joe90usa on February 21, 2012, 11:36:36 PM
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Well I could be a really late first gen fan too, only I didn't know it was U2 whose music I loved :-) As I've written elsewhere, at 7 we were driving to Istria by the Adriatic sea, in the summer of '87 (my first time to see any sea) and in the car we had a charts comp. cassette with Rick Astley (exactly that song), Travelling Wilburys, Michael Jackson's Bad, Moonlight Shadow, Tell Me Lies, Wonderful Life by Black and With Or Without You, and WOWY was the song that stuck with me.

I started to actively look for the name U2 after I saw the buffalo video to One on MTV Europe at 12, and it turned out they wrote WOWY. Then there was a U2 weekend, and the history mix had a short snippet of Pride, and an even shorter one of Bad from Live Aid, and the mistery thickened, and I was hooked. I had to wait a long time to hear those songs in full as I didn't know their discography, and had no access to record stores for two more years. All I had was MTV and other channels.

You got Rick-rolled!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 22, 2012, 03:50:53 AM
Yeah, but I actually like that song. :-) Astley has (don't know if still) a great voice.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on February 22, 2012, 02:59:23 PM
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So wait, just curious, are considering 1st gen fans to be 80's, 2nd gen 90's, and 3rd gen 00's?

If that's the case, I would be a very late 1st-gen fan.  AB was the first album I was already "on-board" for, but it was JT that had originally made me a fan sometime around 1989.

Well, Mars Girl called herself 2G because AB was what got her into U2, but it was my own Huxleyan nomenclature that translated this into Alphas, Betas, and Gammas.

PS - Just having a bit of fun is all.

Fair enough.  Just checking.

(I could, I suppose see a case made for fans who discovered U2 before JT blew up huge--everthing after that is kind of after they hit the mainstream, and thus a bit "easier" to get into.  No college radio or hip friend necessary!  Maybe a generation 0.5 for those lucky folks.  :))
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: KitCat on February 23, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
So how do I classify in this scheme?

I liked the songs from JT, R'n'H and AB when they were played on the radio right from a kid, I just didn't know they were U2 until my "awakening" after ATYCLB. I was a first gen fan in the 80s, just didn't know it. :P

Ok, I'm just trying to weasel my way out of saying I'm 3G.  :D
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Sugarcube on February 24, 2012, 12:02:15 PM

IMO U2 are victims of their own success. What made Bono so passionate and brilliant in the 80's and early 90's has turned into Bono being incredibly irritating in the 2000's.

Musically, they try hard but it's just not happening anymore. Perhaps the problem is that they have nothing to aim for now. They can't get any bigger. If someone cut them down to size I guarantee they would pull something brilliant out of the bag.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JonD on February 24, 2012, 12:02:56 PM
I remember liking SBS/NYD/Pride and Bad as a pre-teen after being exposed to them by my older cousins.  I, like many 16 year olds in 1987 became a big fan of JT and RH- but it was Achtung that propelled me into my love of all things U2 (the late 80s/90s are my favourite era:  RH to Pop).  I guess I'm first gen too.  Although I am not as "active" as I once was during the pre-internet bootleg/cd single days .  An unofficial treasure of mine is a bootleg called "Zoo Europa"- Dublin 1993 bootleg- and I really was hoping the Deluxe editions would include that show but oh well.  I will always buy the singles/albums etc on the day of release.  In many ways it connects me to the excitement of my youth.  (btw I did like most songs off No Line).  Thanks for the walk down nostalgia lane!
Jon :)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 24, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
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Musically, they try hard but it's just not happening anymore. Perhaps the problem is that they have nothing to aim for now. They can't get any bigger. If someone cut them down to size I guarantee they would pull something brilliant out of the bag.

I think that, despite the success of 360*, they kind of have been cut down to size, and Bono knows it. It has been a long time since a U2 album disappeared from the public's consciousness as quickly as NLOTH did. Whether they can pull off an amazing comeback is anyone's guess, but I do remain a bit skeptical (not about their being able to make an amazing album, but about whether it will propel them back into "relevance").
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Sugarcube on February 24, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
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Musically, they try hard but it's just not happening anymore. Perhaps the problem is that they have nothing to aim for now. They can't get any bigger. If someone cut them down to size I guarantee they would pull something brilliant out of the bag.

I think that, despite the success of 360*, they kind of have been cut down to size, and Bono knows it. It has been a long time since a U2 album disappeared from the public's consciousness as quickly as NLOTH did. Whether they can pull off an amazing comeback is anyone's guess, but I do remain a bit skeptical (not about their being able to make an amazing album, but about whether it will propel them back into "relevance").

Agreed - being relevant is irrelevant. I don't know why they care about being relevant. Maybe that's the problem
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 24, 2012, 12:37:55 PM
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Musically, they try hard but it's just not happening anymore. Perhaps the problem is that they have nothing to aim for now. They can't get any bigger. If someone cut them down to size I guarantee they would pull something brilliant out of the bag.

I think that, despite the success of 360*, they kind of have been cut down to size, and Bono knows it. It has been a long time since a U2 album disappeared from the public's consciousness as quickly as NLOTH did. Whether they can pull off an amazing comeback is anyone's guess, but I do remain a bit skeptical (not about their being able to make an amazing album, but about whether it will propel them back into "relevance").

Agreed - being relevant is irrelevant. I don't know why they care about being relevant. Maybe that's the problem

I think that the problem isn't being relevant or not, rather, how the band decides to define relevance.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: theocean on February 25, 2012, 07:19:00 AM
I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 25, 2012, 10:37:20 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

Right on! One of my favorite U2 songs!
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 25, 2012, 11:30:14 AM
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Musically, they try hard but it's just not happening anymore. Perhaps the problem is that they have nothing to aim for now. They can't get any bigger. If someone cut them down to size I guarantee they would pull something brilliant out of the bag.

I think that, despite the success of 360*, they kind of have been cut down to size, and Bono knows it. It has been a long time since a U2 album disappeared from the public's consciousness as quickly as NLOTH did. Whether they can pull off an amazing comeback is anyone's guess, but I do remain a bit skeptical (not about their being able to make an amazing album, but about whether it will propel them back into "relevance").

Agreed - being relevant is irrelevant. I don't know why they care about being relevant. Maybe that's the problem

I think relevance is a state of mind.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: The Exile on February 25, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
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Musically, they try hard but it's just not happening anymore. Perhaps the problem is that they have nothing to aim for now. They can't get any bigger. If someone cut them down to size I guarantee they would pull something brilliant out of the bag.

I think that, despite the success of 360*, they kind of have been cut down to size, and Bono knows it. It has been a long time since a U2 album disappeared from the public's consciousness as quickly as NLOTH did. Whether they can pull off an amazing comeback is anyone's guess, but I do remain a bit skeptical (not about their being able to make an amazing album, but about whether it will propel them back into "relevance").

Agreed - being relevant is irrelevant. I don't know why they care about being relevant. Maybe that's the problem

I think relevance is a state of mind.

Bono: "I thought relevance wasn't real?"

Morpheus: "Your mind makes it real."
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 25, 2012, 11:59:54 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.

 

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 25, 2012, 12:58:08 PM
Thank you JT.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: mariamontreal on February 25, 2012, 02:01:28 PM
They are going to have to rethink it all over again , will they ? They are their own biggest competitors . Tour wise it will have to be scaled down, how much bigger can they get? Musically , they could still blow our socks off and they have the ingenuity in them . Very curious to see what lies ahead.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 25, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
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They are going to have to rethink it all over again , will they ? They are their own biggest competitors . Tour wise it will have to be scaled down, how much bigger can they get? Musically , they could still blow our socks off and they have the ingenuity in them . Very curious to see what lies ahead.

It all depends on how much money they want to make.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: jtdockter on February 25, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
I'm kind of on the opposite end of this post. I just started becoming a fan of U2 a couple years ago, and I've been a serious fan even a shorter time. I just finished my collection of all their albums and a few of their DVDs. I'll concede, there's a few songs that I don't like, but overall I'm very satisfied with everything they've put out.

I've listened to various styles of music and different bands my whole life. Always hated U2 growing up, but they really started to grow on me and they're the first band that I gained a serious interest about behind the music. I would've had an opportunity to see them in concert last summer, but I deployed to Afghanistan and couldn't go. I'm not worried about them "staying relevant" in society today because I'll be listening to them for a long, long time and hopefully I'll be able to catch them in concert before they decided to turn off the mic for awhile.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on February 26, 2012, 06:41:59 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

Nice observation..    I had a renewed listen to all of Bomb the other day and was impressed by how solid the whole collection was.     ABC ran the Prada movie last night.    What an iconic placement of City of Blinding Lights.   
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Jara on February 26, 2012, 10:45:12 AM
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I'm kind of on the opposite end of this post. I just started becoming a fan of U2 a couple years ago, and I've been a serious fan even a shorter time. I just finished my collection of all their albums and a few of their DVDs. I'll concede, there's a few songs that I don't like, but overall I'm very satisfied with everything they've put out.

I've listened to various styles of music and different bands my whole life. Always hated U2 growing up, but they really started to grow on me and they're the first band that I gained a serious interest about behind the music. I would've had an opportunity to see them in concert last summer, but I deployed to Afghanistan and couldn't go. I'm not worried about them "staying relevant" in society today because I'll be listening to them for a long, long time and hopefully I'll be able to catch them in concert before they decided to turn off the mic for awhile.

With you being a fairly newish fan, Id be interested to hear what songs are your faves and not so faves.. . just out of interest
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: mlines6 on February 26, 2012, 12:16:05 PM
I'm a fairly new fan...just became hooked after watching Elevation -Live from Boston tour special on tv. I have been fortunate to see them in concert during Vertigo & 360 US legs...but am very hopeful to see them do another tour and am really looking forward to the next album. I enjoy 'No Line on the Horizon' and still have it in pretty heavy rotation -along with Joshua Tree album :)
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: U2OnceAgain on February 27, 2012, 11:52:21 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.

 


I was listening to HTDAAB last night and realized how far U2 had fallen.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 27, 2012, 12:58:09 PM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.


Whenever I listen to songs like ASOH, I realize making great rock music is largely a young man's game.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: singnomore on February 28, 2012, 07:32:18 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.


Whenever I listen to songs like ASOH, I realize making great rock music is largely a young man's game.



So if U2 only formed now and came up with a song like ASOH you wouldnt like?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 28, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.


Whenever I listen to songs like ASOH, I realize making great rock music is largely a young man's game.



So if U2 only formed now and came up with a song like ASOH you wouldnt like?

U2 haven't come up with a song as great as ASOH for many many years.

And did you notice in my original post I said 'making great rock music is largely a young man's game.'
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 28, 2012, 08:07:55 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.


Whenever I listen to songs like ASOH, I realize making great rock music is largely a young man's game.



So if U2 only formed now and came up with a song like ASOH you wouldnt like?

U2 haven't come up with a song as great as ASOH for many many years.

And did you notice in my original post I said 'making great rock music is largely a young man's game.'

Really? I think Moment of Surrender ranks up there.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 28, 2012, 08:16:52 AM
That's an opinion I can't get behind. Wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gbazzlie0o
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 28, 2012, 08:21:01 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.


Whenever I listen to songs like ASOH, I realize making great rock music is largely a young man's game.



So if U2 only formed now and came up with a song like ASOH you wouldnt like?

U2 haven't come up with a song as great as ASOH for many many years.

And did you notice in my original post I said 'making great rock music is largely a young man's game.'

Really? I think Moment of Surrender ranks up there.

I don't.  Or even Cedars of Lebanon.  I think with MOS we're just thankful that U2 have still got it, but the very best of the 00's isn't really in the same class as the best of the 80's and 90's.

Having said that, I do think U2 are rather good at making very good rock music in their older years - along with the Stones - than most other older bands are.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 28, 2012, 08:33:10 AM
ASOH it's quite difficult to place in the U2 canon as it was a very short period of experimentation when it was written. TUF was necessarily a one-off high in their art.
There aren't any songs like it past TUF, maybe Streets can be viewed as a poppy relative of Homecoming, and before it there's nothing as grandiose, open and inspired. They haven't gone back to that looseness and freedom later on, instead perfecting their pop songwriting skills.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: DGordon1 on February 28, 2012, 08:47:28 AM
ASOH's a really good song, but surely not one of their best. It doesn't have the craft or judgement to be a complete, classic song. It doesn't really build up momentum to a climax, which makes it sound a bit overwrought to me. I prefer MoS but hey ho.
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Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 28, 2012, 09:05:24 AM
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ASOH it's quite difficult to place in the U2 canon as it was a very short period of experimentation when it was written. TUF was necessarily a one-off high in their art.
There aren't any songs like it past TUF, maybe Streets can be viewed as a poppy relative of Homecoming, and before it there's nothing as grandiose, open and inspired. They haven't gone back to that looseness and freedom later on, instead perfecting their pop songwriting skills.

I never did notice that, but you're right.

Even with Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby, and Pop, etc. they were the band trying to hone their pop crafting skills. And this has gone on to the present.

That would be a nice change of pace if the band decided to record more loosely and not worry about anything.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 28, 2012, 01:12:49 PM
MOS isn't close to ASOH. It's too long, samey, has no bridge and has very cheesy lyrics.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on February 28, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
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ASOH it's quite difficult to place in the U2 canon as it was a very short period of experimentation when it was written. TUF was necessarily a one-off high in their art.
There aren't any songs like it past TUF, maybe Streets can be viewed as a poppy relative of Homecoming, and before it there's nothing as grandiose, open and inspired. They haven't gone back to that looseness and freedom later on, instead perfecting their pop songwriting skills.

Pretty spot-on.  I think there might have been a conscious effort with NLOTH--specifically Fez--to return to some of their UF experimentation, but came nowhere near succeeding like they originally had.  Other than that, maybe a few pieces from Zooropa and Passengers echoed UF.  But not many, certainly.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: DGordon1 on February 28, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
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MOS isn't close to ASOH. It's too long, samey, has no bridge and has very cheesy lyrics.



MoS would be ruined if it had a bridge - the song's based on stark contrasts (the anguished vocals over the mellow music and the gospel chorus coming unexpectedly), so a transition would have detracted from that. ASOH doesn't have particularly interesting lyrics, just the same vague platitudes that are found in lots of their anthems.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 28, 2012, 03:31:19 PM
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ASOH it's quite difficult to place in the U2 canon as it was a very short period of experimentation when it was written. TUF was necessarily a one-off high in their art.
There aren't any songs like it past TUF, maybe Streets can be viewed as a poppy relative of Homecoming, and before it there's nothing as grandiose, open and inspired. They haven't gone back to that looseness and freedom later on, instead perfecting their pop songwriting skills.

Pretty spot-on.  I think there might have been a conscious effort with NLOTH--specifically Fez--to return to some of their UF experimentation, but came nowhere near succeeding like they originally had.  Other than that, maybe a few pieces from Zooropa and Passengers echoed UF.  But not many, certainly.

Agree on Passengers and Zooropa sharing the same opennes, and I think they succeeded with those albums, just like they succeeded similarly with Pop (in a very well amalgamated effort), their drive and temperament have changed fundamentally though. They were still very green going into writing TUF, and just starting to use their brains as artists (not songwriters) I think. As for NLOTH, I think Fez (the sessions in Fez, not just the song) was intended as a similar reset to TUF. It ended up less succesful in turning the vessel around, but the intentions were right.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on February 28, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
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ASOH it's quite difficult to place in the U2 canon as it was a very short period of experimentation when it was written. TUF was necessarily a one-off high in their art.
There aren't any songs like it past TUF, maybe Streets can be viewed as a poppy relative of Homecoming, and before it there's nothing as grandiose, open and inspired. They haven't gone back to that looseness and freedom later on, instead perfecting their pop songwriting skills.

Pretty spot-on.  I think there might have been a conscious effort with NLOTH--specifically Fez--to return to some of their UF experimentation, but came nowhere near succeeding like they originally had.  Other than that, maybe a few pieces from Zooropa and Passengers echoed UF.  But not many, certainly.

Agree on Passengers and Zooropa sharing the same opennes, and I think they succeeded with those albums, just like they succeeded similarly with Pop (in a very well amalgamated effort), their drive and temperament have changed fundamentally though. They were still very green going into writing TUF, and just starting to use their brains as artists (not songwriters) I think. As for NLOTH, I think Fez (the sessions in Fez, not just the song) was intended as a similar reset to TUF. It ended up less succesful in turning the vessel around, but the intentions were right.

I wish we could hear what they were doing in those sessions.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: satellitedog01 on February 28, 2012, 04:46:03 PM
I guess the melodies would be similar to what they released, but without the edges sanded off, exciting rhythmic exploration, more organic delivery, all without the polyester sheen.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: JTBaby on February 28, 2012, 05:23:02 PM
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MOS isn't close to ASOH. It's too long, samey, has no bridge and has very cheesy lyrics.



MoS would be ruined if it had a bridge - the song's based on stark contrasts (the anguished vocals over the mellow music and the gospel chorus coming unexpectedly), so a transition would have detracted from that. ASOH doesn't have particularly interesting lyrics, just the same vague platitudes that are found in lots of their anthems.

MOS is a borderline dirge. A bridge might make it more interesting.

Anyone who likes a song with "ATM Machine" in the lyrics really is in no position to criticize any other songs' lyrics.

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: DGordon1 on February 28, 2012, 05:39:07 PM
I'm in a position to criticize what I want if it's all the same to you.
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on February 28, 2012, 06:22:45 PM
I like the allusions to modern technology which is around us all the time. I identify with this lyric cuz I remember a moment at my most worse after my husband died where I was t an ATM machine and I happened to look up and in my reflection on the metal I saw for the first time how truly terrible I felt... And I realized that's how the rest of the world saw me. That song is a dirge and I identify with it because I've been that low and own and out. The song reflects the sense of isolation one feels at a time when they are that depressed and low.
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Post by: JTBaby on February 28, 2012, 07:00:48 PM
"Automatic Teller Machine Machine"

bwahahaha!!!!!

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Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 28, 2012, 07:12:39 PM
I call it an 'ATM Machine' and I've heard others call it an ATM Machine.

Really though, it's nitpicking if that is a reason why somebody doesn't like the song.

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Post by: JTBaby on February 28, 2012, 07:55:40 PM
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I call it an 'ATM Machine' and I've heard others call it an ATM Machine.

Really though, it's nitpicking if that is a reason why somebody doesn't like the song.



Nope.What I said was "It's too long, samey, has no bridge and has very cheesy lyrics. "

Not a patch on ASOH

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Post by: Tumbling Dice on February 28, 2012, 08:24:10 PM
The curious thing I find about the lengthy playing time of MOS is that it doesn't seem that long whenever I listen to it.  I find it self-contained, atmospheric, but strangely sterile.  A modern U2 classic - but not very lovable.
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Post by: singnomore on February 29, 2012, 06:34:53 AM
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I was listening to Miracle Drug last night and realized how good U2
is.

I was listening to A Sort of Homecoming and realized how good U2 were.


Whenever I listen to songs like ASOH, I realize making great rock music is largely a young man's game.



So if U2 only formed now and came up with a song like ASOH you wouldnt like?

U2 haven't come up with a song as great as ASOH for many many years.

And did you notice in my original post I said 'making great rock music is largely a young man's game.'

Forgive...but doesnt matter whether its largely or not. The question was related to age and rock and I was just wondering what your opinion was largely around that?  :)

Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: AchtungPiano on February 29, 2012, 06:58:52 AM
I would say I periodically stop listening to U2, but less because I'm tired of them, and more because I prefer listening to a variety of music!

Although (and you all will kill me for this) I do probably listen to Coldplay more. But that's probably because Mylo Xyloto JUST came out. When No Line came out, I listened to lots of U2. When The Suburbs came out, I listened to lots of Arcade Fire. That's how it works with me.
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Post by: Sugarcube on March 01, 2012, 08:40:20 AM
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I call it an 'ATM Machine' and I've heard others call it an ATM Machine.

Really though, it's nitpicking if that is a reason why somebody doesn't like the song.

ATM is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them cash points or cash machines.

Rest room is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them toilets or cottages.
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Post by: JTBaby on March 01, 2012, 08:56:03 AM
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I call it an 'ATM Machine' and I've heard others call it an ATM Machine.

Really though, it's nitpicking if that is a reason why somebody doesn't like the song.

ATM is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them cash points or cash machines.

Rest room is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them toilets or cottages.

And the "M" in ATM stands for "Machine"

Hence the lyric translation as Automatic Teller Machine Machine

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Post by: Sugarcube on March 01, 2012, 08:56:50 AM
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I call it an 'ATM Machine' and I've heard others call it an ATM Machine.

Really though, it's nitpicking if that is a reason why somebody doesn't like the song.

ATM is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them cash points or cash machines.

Rest room is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them toilets or cottages.

And the "M" in ATM stands for "Machine"

Hence the lyric translation as Automatic Teller Machine Machine

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Lost your U2 mojo?
Post by: MarsGirl on March 01, 2012, 09:24:42 AM
EVERYONE says ATM machine.

That happens all the time when something becomes an acronym... I'm trying to think of another example. I do with it something else, but at the moment I cant recall.
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Post by: Sugarcube on March 01, 2012, 09:40:46 AM
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EVERYONE says ATM machine.

That happens all the time when something becomes an acronym... I'm trying to think of another example. I do with it something else, but at the moment I cant recall.

EVERYONE in America might say ATM machine.

EVERYONE in the United Kingdom of Great Britain says cash point or cash machine

I have no idea what they call them in, say China, Vietnam or Sweden
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Post by: MarsGirl on March 01, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
Okay, point taken. :)
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Post by: Sugarcube on March 01, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
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Okay, point taken. :)

 ;) :)
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Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 01, 2012, 10:59:34 AM
Who needs ATMs?

I have a mattress!
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Post by: MarsGirl on March 01, 2012, 11:14:15 AM
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Who needs ATMs?

I have a mattress!

LOL, Middy! :)
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Post by: JTBaby on March 01, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
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EVERYONE says ATM machine.


No, they don't.

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Post by: JTBaby on March 01, 2012, 11:56:12 AM
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I call it an 'ATM Machine' and I've heard others call it an ATM Machine.

Really though, it's nitpicking if that is a reason why somebody doesn't like the song.

ATM is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them cash points or cash machines.

Rest room is an American term. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and England, people call them toilets or cottages.

And the "M" in ATM stands for "Machine"

Hence the lyric translation as Automatic Teller Machine Machine

What do you mean?

Sigh.........

They lyric in MOS is "ATM Machine"

U8out
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Post by: mdmomof7 on March 01, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
Mojo boost -

While listening to the radio on the way home today, 12 yo dd points out that Linkin Park's Bleed It Out has a guitar riff that reminds her of a U2 song. I listened and it was I Will Follow. Then we proceed to listen to IWF and I tell them what it's about. She and her twin sister go "awwww" and then ask questions about Bono and his mom. Then other 12 yo dd pipes up, "OK, I can't deny it, I like U2!!" She had previously been singing Vertigo before her sister piped up w/ the Linkin Park reference.  ;)

They both adore Jared Leto and 30 Seconds to Mars and know he covers Streets and I think another U2 song. They know that Coldplay and Muse respect U2 and they think Linkin Park must too. I tell them about the Youtube mash up of Shadow of the Day and WOWY.

Yes! Mojo boost accomplished.  ;D
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Post by: DGordon1 on March 01, 2012, 05:45:59 PM
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EVERYONE says ATM machine.


Is this some sort of pet peeve of yours? The only weakness with that lyric is that the preceeding line didn't go "I was punching in my PIN number".

No, they don't.


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Post by: Tumbling Dice on March 01, 2012, 06:04:54 PM
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EVERYONE says ATM machine.

That happens all the time when something becomes an acronym... I'm trying to think of another example. I do with it something else, but at the moment I cant recall.

EVERYONE in America might say ATM machine.

EVERYONE in the United Kingdom of Great Britain says cash point or cash machine


Reg Varney and Me would disagree with you there.

I've heard others call it an ATM machine, as well as a cash point or cash machine.



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Post by: JTBaby on March 01, 2012, 08:08:24 PM
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EVERYONE says ATM machine.


Is this some sort of pet peeve of yours? The only weakness with that lyric is that the preceeding line didn't go "I was punching in my PIN number".

No, they don't.



It is A pet peeve regarding the shortcomings of MOS, a vastly overrated dirge.

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Post by: Joe90usa on March 01, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
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Mojo boost -

While listening to the radio on the way home today, 12 yo dd points out that Linkin Park's Bleed It Out has a guitar riff that reminds her of a U2 song. I listened and it was I Will Follow. Then we proceed to listen to IWF and I tell them what it's about. She and her twin sister go "awwww" and then ask questions about Bono and his mom. Then other 12 yo dd pipes up, "OK, I can't deny it, I like U2!!" She had previously been singing Vertigo before her sister piped up w/ the Linkin Park reference.  ;)

They both adore Jared Leto and 30 Seconds to Mars and know he covers Streets and I think another U2 song. They know that Coldplay and Muse respect U2 and they think Linkin Park must too. I tell them about the Youtube mash up of Shadow of the Day and WOWY.

Yes! Mojo boost accomplished.  ;D

I'm guessing there are more than a few people reading this who don't know what a "dd" is. I thought those abbreviations died years ago.

A "dd", in this application, is a dear daughter for those wondering.
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Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 01, 2012, 10:56:53 PM
I recently have gained a huge appreciation for War. I actually like Surrender and Red Light now, two songs I completely ignored initially.

Oh and Two Hearts should come back. NOW.
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Post by: MarsGirl on March 02, 2012, 06:49:11 AM
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I recently have gained a huge appreciation for War. I actually like Surrender and Red Light now, two songs I completely ignored initially.

Oh and Two Hearts should come back. NOW.

YES. RED LIGHT IS AWESOME!!!! I LOVE THAT SONG!!
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Post by: mdmomof7 on March 02, 2012, 06:57:49 AM
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Mojo boost -

While listening to the radio on the way home today, 12 yo dd points out that Linkin Park's Bleed It Out has a guitar riff that reminds her of a U2 song. I listened and it was I Will Follow. Then we proceed to listen to IWF and I tell them what it's about. She and her twin sister go "awwww" and then ask questions about Bono and his mom. Then other 12 yo dd pipes up, "OK, I can't deny it, I like U2!!" She had previously been singing Vertigo before her sister piped up w/ the Linkin Park reference.  ;)

They both adore Jared Leto and 30 Seconds to Mars and know he covers Streets and I think another U2 song. They know that Coldplay and Muse respect U2 and they think Linkin Park must too. I tell them about the Youtube mash up of Shadow of the Day and WOWY.

Yes! Mojo boost accomplished.  ;D

I'm guessing there are more than a few people reading this who don't know what a "dd" is. I thought those abbreviations died years ago.

A "dd", in this application, is a dear daughter for those wondering.

Really? Sorry, I'm just stuck in the older decades around here  :P