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Title: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: imedi on August 18, 2012, 01:38:05 AM
just had a listen to gavin friday on the radio in ireland early this morning when asked about u2s new album he did not seem to want to say too much but he did say he thought it would be out in 2013 and he had listened to some of the songs dangermouse was working on and they sounded very different to anything he had heard u2 do before (that concerns me a little) oh and he said the edge was on fire  8) ok that part was not true ;D
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Inishfree on August 18, 2012, 05:27:36 AM
Thanks for sharing.  I hope they do put out a new album next year.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: lorijane on August 18, 2012, 06:15:17 AM
I hope Gavin gives Bono a big kick in the ar*e and tells him to get the album out pronto.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Farisfan (polished stones) on August 18, 2012, 06:16:59 AM
Thanks Imedi!  His not wanting to say too much may actually be a good thing. Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on August 18, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Gone on August 18, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
Interesting...
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Mercurial on August 18, 2012, 10:04:16 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

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I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on August 18, 2012, 10:05:47 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

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I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 18, 2012, 10:20:49 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: zootv on August 18, 2012, 10:26:00 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 18, 2012, 10:28:45 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Well obviously they had songs that are just straight crap, but it's not like their whole albums since Pop are void of artistic integrity, that's going too far. 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Grave on August 18, 2012, 10:33:41 AM
is Gavin more of a Bono or Larry when it comes to stuff like this?  :P
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: zootv on August 18, 2012, 10:34:15 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Well obviously they had songs that are just straight crap, but it's not like their whole albums since Pop are void of artistic integrity, that's going too far. 

I wouldn't go as far as to say their void of artistic integrity; I'm actually listening to NLOTH as I type this. There are definetly some good tunes since Pop. I just don't think artistic integrity is as paramount as it once was for U2.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 18, 2012, 10:36:56 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Well obviously they had songs that are just straight crap, but it's not like their whole albums since Pop are void of artistic integrity, that's going too far. 

I wouldn't go as far as to say their void of artistic integrity; I'm actually listening to NLOTH as I type this. There are definetly some good tunes since Pop. I just don't think artistic integrity is as paramount as it once was for U2.

I can agree with you on that. But for JTBaby to say they haven't given a crap at all since Pop is not true and unfair to U2.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on August 18, 2012, 10:50:10 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Exactly. Amazing this stuff needs explaining.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on August 18, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Well obviously they had songs that are just straight crap, but it's not like their whole albums since Pop are void of artistic integrity, that's going too far. 

I wouldn't go as far as to say their void of artistic integrity; I'm actually listening to NLOTH as I type this. There are definetly some good tunes since Pop. I just don't think artistic integrity is as paramount as it once was for U2.

I can agree with you on that. But for JTBaby to say they haven't given a crap at all since Pop is not true and unfair to U2.

That's just JT's style.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on August 18, 2012, 10:51:40 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Well obviously they had songs that are just straight crap, but it's not like their whole albums since Pop are void of artistic integrity, that's going too far. 

I wouldn't go as far as to say their void of artistic integrity; I'm actually listening to NLOTH as I type this. There are definetly some good tunes since Pop. I just don't think artistic integrity is as paramount as it once was for U2.

I can agree with you on that. But for JTBaby to say they haven't given a crap at all since Pop is not true and unfair to U2.

Boo hoo. HTDAAB is completely void. ATYCLB was a retreat to please the masses. NLOTH had potential but they bottled.

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: zootv on August 18, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Exactly. Amazing this stuff needs explaining.

I think part of the problem is that a lot of the "Beautiful Day Generation" prefer U2 to make catchy more popular tunes rather than ballsy creative music. Not all of the "BD generation" feel this way, but I'd say the majority do.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 18, 2012, 11:00:34 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Exactly. Amazing this stuff needs explaining.

Needs explaining? I understood what you said, clearly. Don't be so crass. What zootv said adds to what you said, but he's more realistic. Yes U2 have lacked artistic integrity since Pop and they've had a handful of duds, but you're acting like their last 3 albums are total crap and worthless, which they're not.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 18, 2012, 11:04:45 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Well obviously they had songs that are just straight crap, but it's not like their whole albums since Pop are void of artistic integrity, that's going too far. 

I wouldn't go as far as to say their void of artistic integrity; I'm actually listening to NLOTH as I type this. There are definetly some good tunes since Pop. I just don't think artistic integrity is as paramount as it once was for U2.

I can agree with you on that. But for JTBaby to say they haven't given a crap at all since Pop is not true and unfair to U2.


Boo hoo. HTDAAB is completely void. ATYCLB was a retreat to please the masses. NLOTH had potential but they bottled.



ATYCLB is terrible, you're right. It's my least favorite album by them.

HTDAAB is not void, but it's definitely an improvement on ATYCLB.

NLOTH is actually pretty good. But SUC, Boots, and I'll Go Crazy have few to no redeeming qualities. It did have potential to be great, but having 'Boots as your lead single killed most people's opinion of it. Nonetheless, I think it's their best album this decade. 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: yellowhat on August 18, 2012, 11:43:53 AM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Exactly. Amazing this stuff needs explaining.

Needs explaining? I understood what you said, clearly. Don't be so crass. What zootv said adds to what you said, but he's more realistic. Yes U2 have lacked artistic integrity since Pop and they've had a handful of duds, but you're acting like their last 3 albums are total crap and worthless, which they're not.[
There. Why is this, when someone hates this or that album,it must definately  mean that everyone else also hates them too.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 18, 2012, 12:03:10 PM
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$100 says there will be no U2 album of new material in 2013.

Any takers ?


I don't think U2 can afford NOT to put out something in 2013 (or before).


"afford" monetarily or "afford" artistically.

They haven't given a crap about artistic integrity since Pop.

And how do you know that? Which member of the band are you? How can you say they don't care? It's pretty bold to attack an artist's integrity with such a shallow statement. 

I think the albums released since Pop speak to the point made by JTbaby. I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't give a crap about artistic integrity, but it's certainly not foremost in their minds and it shows. Just listen to songs like SUC.

Exactly. Amazing this stuff needs explaining.

Needs explaining? I understood what you said, clearly. Don't be so crass. What zootv said adds to what you said, but he's more realistic. Yes U2 have lacked artistic integrity since Pop and they've had a handful of duds, but you're acting like their last 3 albums are total crap and worthless, which they're not.[
There. Why is this, when someone hates this or that album,it must definately  mean that everyone else also hates them too.

Who knows, some people just have strange logic when it comes to certain things.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on August 18, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
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he had listened to some of the songs dangermouse was working on and they sounded very different to anything he had heard u2 do before (that concerns me a little)

Doesn't concern me at all. U2 needs experimentation and reinvention. We don't need another song like Unknown Caller or Boots, which lifted riffs directly from older songs of theirs (Walk On and Vertigo).

Here's hoping the next album is more of a Zooropa and less of an Atomic Bomb.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Exile on August 18, 2012, 01:02:32 PM
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Here's hoping the next album is more of a Zooropa and less of an Atomic Bomb.

Agreed. And before the utes accuse you of just wanting U2 to ape their '90s sound, what I take you to mean is that you want an album similarly groundbreaking to, and not just one that sounds like, Zooropa.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on August 18, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
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Here's hoping the next album is more of a Zooropa and less of an Atomic Bomb.

Agreed. And before the utes accuse you of just wanting U2 to ape their '90s sound, what I take you to mean is that you want an album similarly groundbreaking to, and not just one that sounds like, Zooropa.

I'm personally looking for an album that has the Achtung Baby effect. Breaking new ground, but timeless songs to boot. Zooropa is mostly great, but it's a bit arty for a "comeback" type album. I'd say it's better to have an album like that when they're already riding the crest of a wave. Tbh I'm quite confident the next album is going to be a bit different to what we've heard before.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on August 18, 2012, 01:57:52 PM
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Here's hoping the next album is more of a Zooropa and less of an Atomic Bomb.

Agreed. And before the utes accuse you of just wanting U2 to ape their '90s sound, what I take you to mean is that you want an album similarly groundbreaking to, and not just one that sounds like, Zooropa.

You are correct. I don't want a Zooropa 2, I just want something daring and interesting.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: An Cat Dubh on August 18, 2012, 02:10:41 PM
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just had a listen to gavin friday on the radio in ireland early this morning when asked about u2s new album he did not seem to want to say too much but he did say he thought it would be out in 2013 and he had listened to some of the songs dangermouse was working on and they sounded very different to anything he had heard u2 do before (that concerns me a little) oh and he said the edge was on fire  8) ok that part was not true ;D

Quite the opposite. They have NEVER needed to produce something so different to anything they have done before as much as they do with the next album. If its like anything they have done before (especially the last three albums) they are finished.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: imedi on August 18, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
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just had a listen to gavin friday on the radio in ireland early this morning when asked about u2s new album he did not seem to want to say too much but he did say he thought it would be out in 2013 and he had listened to some of the songs dangermouse was working on and they sounded very different to anything he had heard u2 do before (that concerns me a little) oh and he said the edge was on fire  8) ok that part was not true ;D

Quite the opposite. They have NEVER needed to produce something so different to anything they have done before as much as they do with the next album. If its like anything they have done before (especially the last three albums) they are finished.
i agree with change as long as its different in a good way the trouble is we will not know until the album is out.. i thought  boots was different too but  that song sucked big time
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Gone on August 18, 2012, 02:48:31 PM
Is the inner dare devil of U2 on the loose again?
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: _acrobat on August 18, 2012, 03:03:43 PM
Why is everyone so afraid of them trying something new? At least then we're not getting another ATYCLB or HTDAAB, which *obviously* everybody here despises. I think some people are writing off their new album before ever hearing it.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Crazy on August 18, 2012, 10:47:39 PM
Just my mind thinking slightly left of field but is it possible that "danger mouse" and or will.i.am are working on a Pop reissue? Just throwing it out there with no evidence to back it up
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Pocket Merlin on August 19, 2012, 12:42:07 AM
Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: KenpoMatt on August 19, 2012, 01:06:32 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.

Well said.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Exile on August 19, 2012, 01:20:55 AM
I don't think it's U2 changing that people have a problem with, but it's their explicit admission that they are once again trying to be popular and accepted by the most people possible.

That, coupled with a simultaneous decrease in the quality of Bono's songwriting, have occasioned more disillusionment with U2 that there mere fact that they changed their style.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Spilling Over the Brim on August 19, 2012, 03:47:07 AM
I don't know about y'all, but I am taking some comfort in the fact Gavin says at least "a bit of it" is "quite different". Maybe as a friend he's just trying to stir up interest in the band during this long period of no news, but I'd like to believe he's being genuine is what he said. I think a lot of us here would agree a little "trailblazing" is (almost)always good. What I find more unfortunate is him hinting we may still have a looooong wait ahead of us. Does anyone think they could be working on a double LP??
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Grave on August 19, 2012, 07:08:05 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.
great post
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Unknown Caller on August 19, 2012, 07:52:42 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.

Agreed with all of this. As I have been saying for some time, IMO the vast majority of people who whine about the last few albums and the need to be more 'experimental' tend to mean they they should go back to what they sounded like in the 90s- which is of course the opposite of experimental and innovative now.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on August 19, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
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I don't think it's U2 changing that people have a problem with, but it's their explicit admission that they are once again trying to be popular and accepted by the most people possible.

That, coupled with a simultaneous decrease in the quality of Bono's songwriting, have occasioned more disillusionment with U2 that there mere fact that they changed their style.

This

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: striker on August 19, 2012, 09:01:06 AM
I think I'll just be glad with another album. I'm not going to waste my time judging some artist's recent work because it didn't fit my plethora of demands. It's ridiculous. Do you think Bono is going to read your post and say "Ye know, he's got a point about us not being as creative as before, good thing he harped about it. Edge c'mere, you should listen to this guy, he's hit gold." It doesn't matter, nothing will change and another album will come out next year with songs you may or may not like.

I don't understand the hate for their last few albums. It's preposterous to think they don't care and/or that they've taken the easy way out with their songs. They're older, they don't have the same view of the world they did during the Joshua Tree/Achtung Baby days. They're not supposed to be playing and writing songs in the same vein as that era, it wouldn't sound right.

The bottom line is that they're not the same guys they were before. They're grown up, they've seen the world for over 50 years more or less, and personally--I like that that aspect of their timeline. That basically spells out they're better musicians--they've had more time to craft their skills, and hone ideas and most of all---get to really know each other. Bono can't scream like he used to, but he's got heavy artillery with worldliness. Look at all the curve balls and life experiences the band has had to deal with during the 00's (Bono's dad, Edge's daughter, etc)--they turned into some really beautiful material, didn't they? Kite, Original of the Species, SYCMIOYO, etc were great and struck a chord with a lot of people, including myself. The fact that they've traded that "irony/rock n roll" attitude with more of a real persona, is refreshing I think.

Lyrically, I think they're at their best because of said personal experiences. I can't wait for what they have in store for us, and the fact that they're still together, writing anthems that still get the hairs on my arms up, is a good reason alone to trust the U2 boys.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: THRILLHO on August 19, 2012, 09:21:06 AM
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just had a listen to gavin friday on the radio in ireland early this morning when asked about u2s new album he did not seem to want to say too much but he did say he thought it would be out in 2013 and he had listened to some of the songs dangermouse was working on and they sounded very different to anything he had heard u2 do before (that concerns me a little) oh and he said the edge was on fire  8) ok that part was not true ;D

i guess i didn't read this as a bad thing. i really dont expect a full on pop album in the vein of BEP or something. but then again i do love NLOTH <minus SUC of course>
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Exile on August 19, 2012, 09:49:13 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.

Agreed with all of this. As I have been saying for some time, IMO the vast majority of people who whine about the last few albums and the need to be more 'experimental' tend to mean they they should go back to what they sounded like in the 90s- which is of course the opposite of experimental and innovative now.

See what I mean, Droo?
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: CeeCeeHalpert on August 19, 2012, 09:51:44 AM
Am I the only long time U2 fan who likes "Boots"?  ??? ........*crickets*.....Ok. I'll leave.. :P
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: smee on August 19, 2012, 10:03:09 AM
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Am I the only long time U2 fan who likes "Boots"?  ??? ........*crickets*.....Ok. I'll leave.. :P
Suffice to say...im a long term fan...and rate boots in the top 3 songs u2 have ever subjected us to.

Regarding another part of the debate, i like the last three albums. I dont think u2 have made a bad album, just some are better than others.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: PartyMarty23 on August 19, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
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Am I the only long time U2 fan who likes "Boots"?  ??? ........*crickets*.....Ok. I'll leave.. :P
Suffice to say...im a long term fan...and rate boots in the top 3 songs u2 have ever subjected us to.

Regarding another part of the debate, i like the last three albums. I dont think u2 have made a bad album, just some are better than others.

Exactly my thoughts. Their 2000 albums aren't as good as their '80s or '90s stuff, but they're still good. Plus, Boots may be awful on the album, but it's killer live.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on August 19, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
I quite like Boots, but not as a lead single.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: xy on August 19, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
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I don't think it's U2 changing that people have a problem with, but it's their explicit admission that they are once again trying to be popular and accepted by the most people possible.

That, coupled with a simultaneous decrease in the quality of Bono's songwriting, have occasioned more disillusionment with U2 that there mere fact that they changed their style.

That is exactly the problem for some, whether they admit it or not ; U2 changed from the U2 they used to like.

U2 wanting to be popular and accepted is really not new, is it ? And the quality, if we want to be honest, has been dropping starting with Zooropa, and has actually picked up in the 00's, especially with the first half of ATYCLB and vast majority of NLOTH.

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Exile on August 19, 2012, 12:53:08 PM
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I don't think it's U2 changing that people have a problem with, but it's their explicit admission that they are once again trying to be popular and accepted by the most people possible.

That, coupled with a simultaneous decrease in the quality of Bono's songwriting, have occasioned more disillusionment with U2 that there mere fact that they changed their style.

U2 wanting to be popular and accepted is really not new, is it ?

Of course not, but there's a difference between writing challenging new music and embracing it so wholeheartedly that you play almost your whole album live, and rarely break character for three years, thereby almost dragging an unwilling audience along for the ride with you (on the one hand), and deliberately doing everything you can to be likeable and tame (on the other).

No one here thinks U2 didn't care about success in the '90s. It's just that they also cared about other things.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on August 19, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
I don't buy the notion that they only care about money these days. They are more commercial than ever, but there's no doubt to me that they still care about their music. Much of it has been more conventional but a band that writes Kite, Moment of Surrender, SYCMIOYO, Beautiful Day, Stuck, White as Snow, Magnificent etc are clearly passionate about their songs. Just cos they don't have a "f**k the mainstream" attitude any more doesn't mean their work is worthless. I'm thrilled to have their 80's 90's and 00's music and enjoy the differences between them.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 19, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.

Awesome post, very well said.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: MASTER YODA on August 19, 2012, 01:40:51 PM
well i think this could mean a couple of things....

with Danger Mouse, it's going to be more poppy

And hearing from their recent songs like Soon, North Star, Mercy, etc. I think it's not going to be dark at all and more heartfelt record
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Gone on August 19, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Interesting discussion.

U2's last three albums are okay. Not bad, but not great, either. The problem is, I don't find much replay value in them like I do with 1980-1997's records, with some exception for NLOTH. I used to feel that for Pop, but Pop sounds great now for some odd and unknown reason. The last three albums seem very linear to me.

It cannot be denied that U2 are a lot shyer than they once were. And I am going to say it again: yes, I think it is because of Pop's reception. U2 were so focused on evolving as a group during the 90's, but then after Pop, U2 went back to their rock roots. Which is okay, I do like 'Stuck'. It's my favorite song from ATYCLB.

The problem with me is, I think U2 are shy. I do. U2 were rolling with their conventional sound throughout the 80's, but when the 90's came around, they needed to change or else they wouldn't last long. They went bold and got fortune. But it just doesn't seem like that through 2000-2009.

I've said it before and I will say it again: Fortune favors the bold.

U2 need to remain that. It is the only thing that I think will bring U2 back to the position Bono is looking for. Look at Gone ("Oh boy, here we go"), it was a monster on Pop and it was washed to be friendlier on the Best Of. I don't like that with any of their music. I want them to stick to their guns and go and stay bold. That's just me.

I still think the age and maturity thing is ridiculous. The guys are in a rock band. They aren't doctors or lawyers. They shouldn't have to 'grow up' or be 'professional'. They found a job for each other that allows them to be kids and have fun, even today. That is something I think many of us wish we had. Hell, I do.

It's a new decade, and that is like a new year for a band like U2. I don't really believe in many sayings, but I do hold to my guns when I say "Fortune Favors the Bold".
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Farisfan (polished stones) on August 19, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.

Awesome post, very well said.

I second this.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Unknown Caller on August 19, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
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Here's hoping the next album is more of a Zooropa and less of an Atomic Bomb.

Agreed. And before the utes accuse you of just wanting U2 to ape their '90s sound, what I take you to mean is that you want an album similarly groundbreaking to, and not just one that sounds like, Zooropa.

Yeah, everyone says at.... Until of course U2 do something groundbreaking and new which they don't like. Then of course, it doesn't count.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: EnduringChill on August 19, 2012, 07:38:43 PM
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I think I'll just be glad with another album. I'm not going to waste my time judging some artist's recent work because it didn't fit my plethora of demands. It's ridiculous. Do you think Bono is going to read your post and say "Ye know, he's got a point about us not being as creative as before, good thing he harped about it. Edge c'mere, you should listen to this guy, he's hit gold." It doesn't matter, nothing will change and another album will come out next year with songs you may or may not like.

I don't understand the hate for their last few albums. It's preposterous to think they don't care and/or that they've taken the easy way out with their songs. They're older, they don't have the same view of the world they did during the Joshua Tree/Achtung Baby days. They're not supposed to be playing and writing songs in the same vein as that era, it wouldn't sound right.

The bottom line is that they're not the same guys they were before. They're grown up, they've seen the world for over 50 years more or less, and personally--I like that that aspect of their timeline. That basically spells out they're better musicians--they've had more time to craft their skills, and hone ideas and most of all---get to really know each other. Bono can't scream like he used to, but he's got heavy artillery with worldliness. Look at all the curve balls and life experiences the band has had to deal with during the 00's (Bono's dad, Edge's daughter, etc)--they turned into some really beautiful material, didn't they? Kite, Original of the Species, SYCMIOYO, etc were great and struck a chord with a lot of people, including myself. The fact that they've traded that "irony/rock n roll" attitude with more of a real persona, is refreshing I think.

Lyrically, I think they're at their best because of said personal experiences. I can't wait for what they have in store for us, and the fact that they're still together, writing anthems that still get the hairs on my arms up, is a good reason alone to trust the U2 boys.
I love everything you've just said, and pretty much agree.

As for the real news... I don't know what to think. I don't know if I can trust anyone outside the band...
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on August 19, 2012, 07:50:09 PM
Why is this "news"?  What was said that we haven't already heard?
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: _acrobat on August 19, 2012, 08:37:27 PM
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I quite like Boots, but not as a lead single.

I think Boots & NLOTH in general would have been much better received had there been a different lead single, maybe Magnificient or MOS. IMO Boots really wasn't descriptive of then then-upcoming album, which really hurt them both. 
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Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 20, 2012, 07:37:25 AM
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I quite like Boots, but not as a lead single.

I think Boots & NLOTH in general would have been much better received had there been a different lead single, maybe Magnificient or MOS. IMO Boots really wasn't descriptive of then then-upcoming album, which really hurt them both.

Yup.
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Post by: paddyattitude on August 20, 2012, 08:18:26 AM
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Am I the only long time U2 fan who likes "Boots"?  ??? ........*crickets*.....Ok. I'll leave.. :P

No you're not!
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: MarsGirl on August 20, 2012, 08:58:28 AM
I personally think Danger Mouse would be an exciting add to the creative team... I'd like to see him producing the whole thing instead of their usual stand-bys. Has anyone ever listened to the Broken Bells, which was a project of Danger Mouse's? I like it... I would like to see U2 be more daring and wow my ears with something I've never heard before.

Gavin Friday went a bit daring with Catholic. It's an outstanding album, one of my favorites of last year. So I'd say he probably has a good sense of music... I think he'd tell it straight.
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Post by: Dali on August 20, 2012, 09:31:40 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

I agree, yet I don't like HTDAAB all that much.

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"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

I agree again.

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A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that.

No, they did not release something like that but they did tone down "Magnificient" way too much so that it would appeal to radio and not be a contrast to the boring music on there.
Same thing probably goes for "Original Of the Species" and "City Of Blinding Lights". Slick keyboards are everywhere you look on those songs when really, there should have been tuneful electric guitars. But I guess U2 albums cannot be not commercial so something's got to give.

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U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

I also agree on both songs. They are very fine songs. Neither would be boring. And "Discotheque" is where they first tried out the funk bit, just to a lesser extent.

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So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

No, my dissatisfaction is just from the fact that U2 have given in way too much to radio when it comes to the guitar tracks they don't use and the keyboard tracks they replace them with. Compare the Fez video containing the guitar parts from "Magnificient" to those on the album. They intentionally went for the weaker version and that shows. It's not the experimentation or lack thereof which is my point of criticism. Just imagine a song like "Babyface" played with toned-down guitar stylings like the album version of "Magnificient". That would not be that far removed from Jon Secada's "Just Another Day Without You", wouldn't it?. Back in 93, Edge was "on fire". He still is, but in the mixing stage, they tend to treat him with the extinguisher when it comes to his rhythm guitar parts.

I'm hoping for lots of good things on the new album. Maybe 12 songs? "Achtung Baby" had 12. That's a nice number. I just hope they don't skip any good songs just because they don't like making the album longer like it was the case when "Mercy" got dropped from HTDAAB.

Gavin Friday's quote is actually a very nice confirmation that DangerMouse is indeed the main producer on the album.
If they decide to release some outtakes, here's hoping they will be included in the deluxe-CD package. Putting them out only as mp3s does not satisfy me because I want to listen to all the new U2 songs in their lossless glory, in full CD quality.
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Post by: singnomore on August 20, 2012, 10:36:37 AM
I've removed a couple of posts as they have no relevance to this discussion...
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on August 20, 2012, 10:53:31 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.

Everyone always thinks their favorite band sells out when they change what they do a little, and everyone always acts like trying to retain the public eye is mutually exclusive from making good music.

Oh my gosh! The Red Hot Chili Peppers sold out in the 90s because Anthony Keidis decided he actually wanted to try singing a bit more.
Oh my gosh! Coldplay sold out because they used a few synths and tried a song with Rihanna!
Oh my gosh! The Goo Goo Dolls sold out after "Iris"! Man, they used to be so hardcore!
Oh my gosh! All Green Day cares about is money now. I can't listen to anything after Dookie.
Oh my gosh! Dave Matthews SOLD HIS SOUL and went electric. "The Space Between" is nothing but a HORRIBLE pop song!

Yeah, some artists DO sell out (just take a look at Maroon 5, and to some extent, Train). In fact, there's truth to most of those artists trying to cater to commercial motives, and in some cases their are some songs that clearly falter because of it. But to think that means ALL their music automatically sucks because of it childish.

"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.

A great deal of skill and craft went into each of the last three U2 albums. U2 has never released anything on par with "Moves Like Jagger" or any crap like that. U2 didn't just throw their sense in the gutter. They have never given up their daring nature. Was "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" really a play-it-safe song? It's was actually pretty bold of them; it was unlike anything they had done before, and it's based off of chord progressions that are more popular in jazz than in pop music (until U2 paved the way for John Mayer to do the same thing with "Waiting on The World To Change"). Are you really being fair in failing to recognize that "All Because of You" is just as kick-ass punk as anything they ever did in the 80's, if not more? Is "Stand Up Comedy" really that "safe"? It's very unlike anything they did before (name another U2 song that really is as close to funk as that song), and it contains humor, which is also very rare territory for Bono lyrically.

So really what seems to be going on is that all the people who harp on and on about U2 needing to experiment again are actually just dissatisfied because the new sounds U2 has played with are not in the same vein as Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop, (which had thematic and musical similarities) which they prefer.

There are bands and artists that have really, REALLY sold out. But all this stuff about U2's last three albums being absolute crap? Please, please just grow up. Let yourself enjoy some music that's actually quite good.

Awesome post, very well said.

I second this.

I third this
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on August 20, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
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Slick keyboards are everywhere you look on those songs when really, there should have been tuneful electric guitars. But I guess U2 albums cannot be not commercial so something's got to give.


You do realize U2 have heavily used keyboards during the beloved 90s era, right? Achtung, Zooropa, and Pop are awash with keyboards and synths. Also, several 80s songs use keyed instruments. New Year's Day, Scarlet, I Fall Down, The Unforgettable Fire, MLK, Streets, WOWY, etc. There's nothing wrong with keyboards. Their use is no less legitimate than guitar. In fact, I'd argue that U2 don't sound as good when they rely solely on guitar. Example: the lurching monstrosity that is most of HTDAAB.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: xy on August 20, 2012, 02:23:36 PM
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I don't think it's U2 changing that people have a problem with, but it's their explicit admission that they are once again trying to be popular and accepted by the most people possible.

That, coupled with a simultaneous decrease in the quality of Bono's songwriting, have occasioned more disillusionment with U2 that there mere fact that they changed their style.

U2 wanting to be popular and accepted is really not new, is it ?

Of course not, but there's a difference between writing challenging new music and embracing it so wholeheartedly that you play almost your whole album live, and rarely break character for three years, thereby almost dragging an unwilling audience along for the ride with you (on the one hand), and deliberately doing everything you can to be likeable and tame (on the other).

No one here thinks U2 didn't care about success in the '90s. It's just that they also cared about other things.

If you're referring to Zoo era (character for three years, playing full album), they had at least two things going for them : a) massive groundbreaking tour. With that tour U2 became a stadium act, a must-see live band. The tour itself was the selling prize, not so much the - admiteddly excellent - album. b) not one, but two massive US hits in MW and One. And they were out of US live dates for what...5 years since JT tour ? Demand was pretty much a given.

Same band that wanted to fight the charts in 83. Same band that shouted off about it each night on JT tour (we worked hard to be no 1 speeches). But they always had the songs to back it up. Same band that wrote BD and had the brilliant idea for the Ipod hookup (though as far as I'm concerned, Vertigo would have been a hit with or without the ad). Except this band doesn't have the luxury of automatic radio airplay or MTV. 50 year old pack of rockers in American music landscape ...  Vertigo and BD were a miracle IMO. Anything similarly big is wishful thinking on their part IMO.

I don't think they ever sold out "art" for the sake of "commerce". I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate. I'm not concerned about their integrity when they can still pull of pure inspiration like Moment of surrender.

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on August 20, 2012, 02:27:39 PM
Artists like Usher sold out. He used to make some great R&B songs. Now he does boring repetitive synthpop.

U2 may have gradually tried to become more commercial sounding, but they did not sell out in the slightest.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 20, 2012, 02:34:53 PM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?
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Post by: eddyjedi on August 20, 2012, 05:00:20 PM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?

I think their songwriting has improved over the last 15 years, maybe not in single terms but in album terms, definitely. I think they are always in search of perfection as a band in the album format and they believe they have never quite got their with anything thus far and I truly think this next album will be the last attempt at that.  If they didn't think so, they wouldn't be here.

I'd like the last album to be called Man.





 
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Post by: pfctsqr on August 21, 2012, 05:37:04 AM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?

I think their songwriting has improved over the last 15 years, maybe not in single terms but in album terms, definitely. I think they are always in search of perfection as a band in the album format and they believe they have never quite got their with anything thus far and I truly think this next album will be the last attempt at that.  If they didn't think so, they wouldn't be here.

I'd like the last album to be called Man.





 

So recent albums show better "album songwriting" than Achtung?  Wow.
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Post by: JTBaby on August 21, 2012, 08:14:38 AM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?

I think their songwriting has improved over the last 15 years, maybe not in single terms but in album terms, definitely. I think they are always in search of perfection as a band in the album format and they believe they have never quite got their with anything thus far and I truly think this next album will be the last attempt at that.  If they didn't think so, they wouldn't be here.

I'd like the last album to be called Man.





 

So recent albums show better "album songwriting" than Achtung?  Wow.

Recent albums are the epitome of the anti album. Disjointed collection of unrelated disparate songs. Up to and including pop U2 made albums.

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on August 21, 2012, 08:46:06 AM
How were the songs on The Unforgettable Fire related? Or Achtung, for that matter? The only U2 albums that approached having a central theme or concept were Zooropa and October, if you ask me.

I would say that U2 albums usually have a certain type of sound, and that ATYCLB, HTDAAB, and NLOTH all had a certain sound to them as well.
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Post by: TheLarryMullenBand on August 21, 2012, 09:39:55 AM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?

I think their songwriting has improved over the last 15 years, maybe not in single terms but in album terms, definitely. I think they are always in search of perfection as a band in the album format and they believe they have never quite got their with anything thus far and I truly think this next album will be the last attempt at that.  If they didn't think so, they wouldn't be here.

I'd like the last album to be called Man.





 

So recent albums show better "album songwriting" than Achtung?  Wow.

Recent albums are the epitome of the anti album. Disjointed collection of unrelated disparate songs. Up to and including pop U2 made albums.

"epitome of the anti album" is a bit of a hyperbole. The songs are also far from disjointed, ATYCLB is, but HTDAAB and NLOTH are definitely not. Like Droo said, the last three albums definitely have a distinct sound to them, and U2 hasn't really had too many albums that hold a solid theme so to say. In my opinion, October, Joshua Tree, Zooropa, and Pop have pretty solid themes / concepts. Everything else is just a collection of songs with a similar sound to each.

Who cares if a song doesn't have a so called theme or concept? If the songs are good and there can be a distinct similar sound in each, does it even matter?
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: EnduringChill on August 21, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
I've always thought somewhere in the back of my mind that NLOTH is a concept album. It's clear and cohesive, I think, but the story I hear in it is disjointed... still, I think there's a clear theme there. Achtung Baby also tells a story with the way the songs are linked together. Zooropa and October all have similar themes in each song.

But yeah... why do albums need specific themes?
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Post by: _acrobat on August 21, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
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How were the songs on The Unforgettable Fire related? Or Achtung, for that matter? The only U2 albums that approached having a central theme or concept were Zooropa and October, if you ask me.

I would say that U2 albums usually have a certain type of sound, and that ATYCLB, HTDAAB, and NLOTH all had a certain sound to them as well.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: xy on August 21, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?

Via experience, of course.
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Post by: xy on August 21, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?

I think their songwriting has improved over the last 15 years, maybe not in single terms but in album terms, definitely. I think they are always in search of perfection as a band in the album format and they believe they have never quite got their with anything thus far and I truly think this next album will be the last attempt at that.  If they didn't think so, they wouldn't be here.

I'd like the last album to be called Man.





 

So recent albums show better "album songwriting" than Achtung?  Wow.

Recent albums are the epitome of the anti album. Disjointed collection of unrelated disparate songs. Up to and including pop U2 made albums.



Let's not get carried away...Boy, UF, JT, AB and Zooropa are pure albums. Everything else gets close (some of ATYCLB, October, War) or far off anything resembling an album (Rattle and Hum, Pop, HTDAAB).
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on August 21, 2012, 05:24:05 PM
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How were the songs on The Unforgettable Fire related? Or Achtung, for that matter? The only U2 albums that approached having a central theme or concept were Zooropa and October, if you ask me.

I would say that U2 albums usually have a certain type of sound, and that ATYCLB, HTDAAB, and NLOTH all had a certain sound to them as well.

In fairness I think Zooropa's a pretty disjointed album. A few recurring themes but it doesn't flow particularly well as an album to me - you can tell it's been rather spliced together.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on August 21, 2012, 09:42:55 PM
The disjointedness is the point, I would say.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: doctoru2 on August 21, 2012, 11:39:26 PM

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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.


Brilliant post.  I edited it only for brevity.

I don't post here often, but the utter nonsense that people were saying in this thread motivated me.

What the heck is "artistic integrity"?  That is such an ambiguous subjective term that it should be banned from usage.  Furthermore, what is so glorious about "Pop"?  It has a few exciting moments, but I don't find it to be this "brilliant" album - in fact, I find it a bit musically boring.  There are highlights, of course, with the exploration of techno.  But even on a song like "Staring at the Sun", Edge is just doing classic George Harrison.   Bono's lyrics were great, but his voice was shot.  And I can't stand songs like "If God Will Send His Angels" or "Playboy Mansion".  If you say that you love NLOTH, save for GOYB and "Crazy", then doesn't that make it rather equal to "Pop"?   

Furthermore, I can challenge the "artistic integrity" of songs in older albums.  "Pride" was U2's direct effort at creating a hit song.  "With or Without You" was a slow love song - the type that always shoot to the top of the charts.  "Desire" is a classic 4/4 rhythm that has been a hit many times before.  "Mysterious Ways" is  perhaps U2's best pop song ever.  "One" is another slow love song.  These are all great songs, but one could readily question U2's "integrity" writing material that would definitely appeal to the masses.

Therefore, I'd rather people say, "This doesn't appeal to me" than spew nonsense about how U2 lost their "integrity".  That means little.

With regards to the actual topic of this thread, I will say this - I hope U2 do release "something different".  Have some fun with the music.  They've tried so many styles already - punk, folk, gospel, rock, pop, techno, contemporary, ambient, etc.  I'd love to see what they have left that is truly "different" without worrying about whether it's a hit. 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: EnduringChill on August 22, 2012, 05:19:59 AM
I just have to say, I think Zooropa is one of the most cohesive U2 albums and it flows extremely well. That's all...
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Post by: Allie79 on August 22, 2012, 07:16:50 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.


Brilliant post.  I edited it only for brevity.

I don't post here often, but the utter nonsense that people were saying in this thread motivated me.

What the heck is "artistic integrity"?  That is such an ambiguous subjective term that it should be banned from usage.  Furthermore, what is so glorious about "Pop"?  It has a few exciting moments, but I don't find it to be this "brilliant" album - in fact, I find it a bit musically boring.  There are highlights, of course, with the exploration of techno.  But even on a song like "Staring at the Sun", Edge is just doing classic George Harrison.   Bono's lyrics were great, but his voice was shot.  And I can't stand songs like "If God Will Send His Angels" or "Playboy Mansion".  If you say that you love NLOTH, save for GOYB and "Crazy", then doesn't that make it rather equal to "Pop"?   

Furthermore, I can challenge the "artistic integrity" of songs in older albums.  "Pride" was U2's direct effort at creating a hit song.  "With or Without You" was a slow love song - the type that always shoot to the top of the charts.  "Desire" is a classic 4/4 rhythm that has been a hit many times before.  "Mysterious Ways" is  perhaps U2's best pop song ever.  "One" is another slow love song.  These are all great songs, but one could readily question U2's "integrity" writing material that would definitely appeal to the masses.

Therefore, I'd rather people say, "This doesn't appeal to me" than spew nonsense about how U2 lost their "integrity".  That means little.

With regards to the actual topic of this thread, I will say this - I hope U2 do release "something different".  Have some fun with the music.  They've tried so many styles already - punk, folk, gospel, rock, pop, techno, contemporary, ambient, etc.  I'd love to see what they have left that is truly "different" without worrying about whether it's a hit. 

Maybe they can do dubstep :-)
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Post by: jacob on August 22, 2012, 08:26:20 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.


Brilliant post.  I edited it only for brevity.

I don't post here often, but the utter nonsense that people were saying in this thread motivated me.

What the heck is "artistic integrity"?  That is such an ambiguous subjective term that it should be banned from usage.  Furthermore, what is so glorious about "Pop"?  It has a few exciting moments, but I don't find it to be this "brilliant" album - in fact, I find it a bit musically boring.  There are highlights, of course, with the exploration of techno.  But even on a song like "Staring at the Sun", Edge is just doing classic George Harrison.   Bono's lyrics were great, but his voice was shot.  And I can't stand songs like "If God Will Send His Angels" or "Playboy Mansion".  If you say that you love NLOTH, save for GOYB and "Crazy", then doesn't that make it rather equal to "Pop"?   

Furthermore, I can challenge the "artistic integrity" of songs in older albums.  "Pride" was U2's direct effort at creating a hit song.  "With or Without You" was a slow love song - the type that always shoot to the top of the charts.  "Desire" is a classic 4/4 rhythm that has been a hit many times before.  "Mysterious Ways" is  perhaps U2's best pop song ever.  "One" is another slow love song.  These are all great songs, but one could readily question U2's "integrity" writing material that would definitely appeal to the masses.

Therefore, I'd rather people say, "This doesn't appeal to me" than spew nonsense about how U2 lost their "integrity".  That means little.

With regards to the actual topic of this thread, I will say this - I hope U2 do release "something different".  Have some fun with the music.  They've tried so many styles already - punk, folk, gospel, rock, pop, techno, contemporary, ambient, etc.  I'd love to see what they have left that is truly "different" without worrying about whether it's a hit. 

Couldn't agree more. both great posts. I'm a bit tired of all this "selling out" sh** as well. It ruines my listening pleasure as I keep seeing this band of cynical money-hungry hypocrits, painted by some people on this forum. 
Glad you guys (?) woke me up!  I like all u2 albums for there own atmosphere. (And i only need 1 Pop). 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: _acrobat on August 22, 2012, 08:49:17 AM
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Oh my gosh. I just realized something. Everyone who slags on the last three albums and worships Pop is just as bad as all the old people who only like everything up to Rattle and Hum.


Brilliant post.  I edited it only for brevity.

I don't post here often, but the utter nonsense that people were saying in this thread motivated me.

What the heck is "artistic integrity"?  That is such an ambiguous subjective term that it should be banned from usage.  Furthermore, what is so glorious about "Pop"?  It has a few exciting moments, but I don't find it to be this "brilliant" album - in fact, I find it a bit musically boring.  There are highlights, of course, with the exploration of techno.  But even on a song like "Staring at the Sun", Edge is just doing classic George Harrison.   Bono's lyrics were great, but his voice was shot.  And I can't stand songs like "If God Will Send His Angels" or "Playboy Mansion".  If you say that you love NLOTH, save for GOYB and "Crazy", then doesn't that make it rather equal to "Pop"?   

Furthermore, I can challenge the "artistic integrity" of songs in older albums.  "Pride" was U2's direct effort at creating a hit song.  "With or Without You" was a slow love song - the type that always shoot to the top of the charts.  "Desire" is a classic 4/4 rhythm that has been a hit many times before.  "Mysterious Ways" is  perhaps U2's best pop song ever.  "One" is another slow love song.  These are all great songs, but one could readily question U2's "integrity" writing material that would definitely appeal to the masses.

Therefore, I'd rather people say, "This doesn't appeal to me" than spew nonsense about how U2 lost their "integrity".  That means little.

With regards to the actual topic of this thread, I will say this - I hope U2 do release "something different".  Have some fun with the music.  They've tried so many styles already - punk, folk, gospel, rock, pop, techno, contemporary, ambient, etc.  I'd love to see what they have left that is truly "different" without worrying about whether it's a hit. 

Maybe they can do dubstep :-)

Or hardcore gangster rap  ;D
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: goldtoad on August 22, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
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"Beautiful Day" is a wonderful song. Goodness gracious, does a song have to be dark and brooding to be acceptable? If you listen to the verses, they're actually in quite a contrast to the chorus--it's far from a bubblegum song.


I strongly agree with this and most of Pocket Merlin's post.  "Beautiful Day" is a great song and ATYCLB is a very good album, not JT or AB level, but one of their best.  The theme of finding the faith to be thankful for a beautiful day despite the terrible things that happen in the world may not be ground breaking or daring, but it is a lot deeper than most of pop crap out there.  Bono's own review of HTDAAB is that it was a collection of mostly good songs.  It may not be a great album, but it contains some very good heartfelt songs after the death of his father.  NLOTH was a very good effort to do something different.  Sure, they may have chickened out because they had a huge tour planned in the middle of a deep economic recession, but it still was a good album. 

U2 will probably never be as daring as they were in the 90s, but they have produced some very good music since Pop. 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: surit87 on August 23, 2012, 02:48:55 AM
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I just have to say, I think Zooropa is one of the most cohesive U2 albums and it flows extremely well. That's all...

Spot on.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: boom boom on September 21, 2012, 05:36:55 AM
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Slick keyboards are everywhere you look on those songs when really, there should have been tuneful electric guitars. But I guess U2 albums cannot be not commercial so something's got to give.


You do realize U2 have heavily used keyboards during the beloved 90s era, right? Achtung, Zooropa, and Pop are awash with keyboards and synths. Also, several 80s songs use keyed instruments. New Year's Day, Scarlet, I Fall Down, The Unforgettable Fire, MLK, Streets, WOWY, etc. There's nothing wrong with keyboards. Their use is no less legitimate than guitar. In fact, I'd argue that U2 don't sound as good when they rely solely on guitar. Example: the lurching monstrosity that is most of HTDAAB.
I agree there is nothing wrong with keyboards, but also remember that monstrosity that you call HTDAAB won album of the year.  Sometimes for a change it's goood to see U2 just rock out-Vertigo, ABOY, nothing wrong with this either.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on September 21, 2012, 06:42:06 AM
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Slick keyboards are everywhere you look on those songs when really, there should have been tuneful electric guitars. But I guess U2 albums cannot be not commercial so something's got to give.


You do realize U2 have heavily used keyboards during the beloved 90s era, right? Achtung, Zooropa, and Pop are awash with keyboards and synths. Also, several 80s songs use keyed instruments. New Year's Day, Scarlet, I Fall Down, The Unforgettable Fire, MLK, Streets, WOWY, etc. There's nothing wrong with keyboards. Their use is no less legitimate than guitar. In fact, I'd argue that U2 don't sound as good when they rely solely on guitar. Example: the lurching monstrosity that is most of HTDAAB.
I agree there is nothing wrong with keyboards, but also remember that monstrosity that you call HTDAAB won album of the year.  Sometimes for a change it's goood to see U2 just rock out-Vertigo, ABOY, nothing wrong with this either.

Is there anything more irrelevant to artistic quality than a grammy ?

Just some perspective : Eric clapton unplugged beat Achtung Baby

HTDAAB WAS a monstrosity, and those songs are to "rock" what Bon Jovi is to Heavy Metal or what Vanilla Ice is to rap.

Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on September 21, 2012, 07:32:56 AM
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Slick keyboards are everywhere you look on those songs when really, there should have been tuneful electric guitars. But I guess U2 albums cannot be not commercial so something's got to give.


You do realize U2 have heavily used keyboards during the beloved 90s era, right? Achtung, Zooropa, and Pop are awash with keyboards and synths. Also, several 80s songs use keyed instruments. New Year's Day, Scarlet, I Fall Down, The Unforgettable Fire, MLK, Streets, WOWY, etc. There's nothing wrong with keyboards. Their use is no less legitimate than guitar. In fact, I'd argue that U2 don't sound as good when they rely solely on guitar. Example: the lurching monstrosity that is most of HTDAAB.
I agree there is nothing wrong with keyboards, but also remember that monstrosity that you call HTDAAB won album of the year.  Sometimes for a change it's goood to see U2 just rock out-Vertigo, ABOY, nothing wrong with this either.

Is there anything more irrelevant to artistic quality than a grammy ?

Just some perspective : Eric clapton unplugged beat Achtung Baby

HTDAAB WAS a monstrosity, and those songs are to "rock" what Bon Jovi is to Heavy Metal or what Vanilla Ice is to rap.

The end of Crumbs to be comes closest to this "rock" than anything else on the album.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: codeguy on September 21, 2012, 09:20:28 AM
Hmmm....they haven't given a crap since POP? So all the following songs are crap?
* Kite
* Beautiful Day
* Elevation
* Walk On
* Vertigo
* Moment of Surrender
* Electrical Storm
* White as Snow
* City of blinding lights
* Mercy
* Sometimes you cant make it on your own
* Yahweh


I don't know about you, but I think they have done some pretty good work, especially considering they don't need to do this anymore. They have the fame, the money, why not live it up? U2 fans can be too hard on them sometimes. It's like U2 fans expect them to be something more than a rock band
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on September 21, 2012, 01:05:19 PM
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Slick keyboards are everywhere you look on those songs when really, there should have been tuneful electric guitars. But I guess U2 albums cannot be not commercial so something's got to give.


You do realize U2 have heavily used keyboards during the beloved 90s era, right? Achtung, Zooropa, and Pop are awash with keyboards and synths. Also, several 80s songs use keyed instruments. New Year's Day, Scarlet, I Fall Down, The Unforgettable Fire, MLK, Streets, WOWY, etc. There's nothing wrong with keyboards. Their use is no less legitimate than guitar. In fact, I'd argue that U2 don't sound as good when they rely solely on guitar. Example: the lurching monstrosity that is most of HTDAAB.
I agree there is nothing wrong with keyboards, but also remember that monstrosity that you call HTDAAB won album of the year.  Sometimes for a change it's goood to see U2 just rock out-Vertigo, ABOY, nothing wrong with this either.

Is there anything more irrelevant to artistic quality than a grammy ?

Just some perspective : Eric clapton unplugged beat Achtung Baby

HTDAAB WAS a monstrosity, and those songs are to "rock" what Bon Jovi is to Heavy Metal or what Vanilla Ice is to rap.



Agree with the Grammy comments but the rest is slightly b*****ks. Not my favourite album by far, but pretty solid all the same.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: eddyjedi on September 23, 2012, 09:35:40 AM
SUC is way better than people realise.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on September 23, 2012, 09:40:09 AM
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SUC is way better than people realise.

No.
It's worse.





Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: _acrobat on September 23, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
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SUC is way better than people realise.

No.
It's worse.

I have to agree with this. Least favorite on NLOTH by far.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on September 23, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
How could anyone like anything less than Unknown Caller? One of the very worst things U2 has ever written. An embarrassing dud on par with something like The Refugee.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: JTBaby on September 23, 2012, 09:52:11 AM
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How could anyone like anything less than Unknown Caller? One of the very worst things U2 has ever written. An embarrassing dud on par with something like The Refugee.

Unknown caller has a discernible melody and chorus. Unlike SUC.

They both have godawful lyrics.



Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Droo on September 23, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Unknown Caller does have a discernible melody: Walk On's.

I think Stand-Up Comedy is head and shoulders above Unknown Caller. At least it has music that isn't just lifted from an older hit of theirs, unlike UC and Boots.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: _acrobat on September 23, 2012, 10:00:10 AM
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How could anyone like anything less than Unknown Caller? One of the very worst things U2 has ever written. An embarrassing dud on par with something like The Refugee.

Unknown caller has a discernible melody and chorus. Unlike SUC.

They both have godawful lyrics.

Yep.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: NeverInTheDaylight on September 25, 2012, 08:51:41 AM
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I concede that as they get better at the "craft" of writing, some of the "magic" might get lost but that is a different debate.

In what way, shape or form have U2 gotten better at the 'craft' of writing over the last fifteen years?


Via experience, of course.

Im going to disagree with the premise that the songwriting has gotten better over the years...IMHO Bono has always been hit or miss with lyrics regardless of era....
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on September 25, 2012, 10:14:59 AM
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Unknown Caller does have a discernible melody: Walk On's.

I think Stand-Up Comedy is head and shoulders above Unknown Caller. At least it has music that isn't just lifted from an older hit of theirs, unlike UC and Boots.

The riff in UC is not lifted from Walk On - it's quite similar but by no means is it identical.  The intro's just 3 notes repeated and it's not even a riff, it's just for atmospherics. At the chorus the first 3 notes sound like an arpegio using some common notes from Walk On, but after that it's completely different. Given that the tune is at a much slower tempo and is an atmospheric piece, with unconventional lyrics and form, then it really doesn't share much with Walk On at all.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Daniel94 on September 25, 2012, 10:50:25 AM
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SUC is way better than people realise.

Ya, agreed. I really don't understand why it gets so much hate.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Zoonationalist on September 27, 2012, 02:02:57 PM
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SUC is way better than people realise.

Ya, agreed. I really don't understand why it gets so much hate.


It's U2's most embarrassing track, for sure.
It's the lyrical low-point in U2's career.
It reaches the height of over-production.


"The DNA lotto may have left you smart"-- a far cry from the glory days. (Which sometimes reappear in songs such as Moment of Surrender).
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: DGordon1 on September 27, 2012, 03:07:25 PM
It is over-produced for sure. I do think it has some nice elements, but they're rather spliced together and cliched sounding. It seemed to be one of those songs they didn't know how to finish - didn't it have about half a dozen versions or something? I'd be interested to hear what the early versions sounded like.

I still find it more enjoyable than some of their more boring songs like A Man and a Woman, Peace on Earth etc, but in a throwaway sort of way.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: eddyjedi on September 27, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
I think its grown on me over time. Yes they produced various versions of the song and I'd love to hear the others, it was written somewhere that there was a better final version but they chose this one.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: The Edges Cat on September 30, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
Hrmph, I like the lyrics for Stand Up Comedy, Bono at his self-deprecating best. The song would sound like its on fire performed live with backing female vocalists a la Lovetown. "Josephine be careful of small men with big ideas" -- love it, that is platinum-coated chrome rock rap my human friends!

And it's miles better than Unknown "Call Me, Maybe!" Caller!
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: RunningtoStandstill (The League of Extraordinary BonoPeople) on October 01, 2012, 03:09:41 PM
Just a question...why does any discussion of NLOTH have to devolve into how much UC and SUC suck? If you're talking about their lyrical poeticism, need I remind you of the simplistic lyrics on Boy, October, and War? U2 have been using the same words and ideas for their whole career.  Count the time the words heart, soul, and love appear in their songs.  UC had an awesome lyrical concept and SUC was no worse than half the songs in their 2000s albums.  In fact it was kind of nice to hear Edge doing more bluesy for a change.  Not that it's a remote favorite, but jeez, can we stop beating on these song already? UCs lyrics and concept IMO are a billion times better than some dumb love song like Call Me Maybe, so don't even put those in the same sentence.

On with the original discussion.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: goldtoad on October 01, 2012, 08:02:37 PM
The lyrics to Unknown Caller are suppose to be trippy... God talking to someone thru their electronic devices.  I didn't like it at first, but it grew on me.  SUC is an over-produced mess. 
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: surit87 on October 02, 2012, 01:59:44 AM
Both UC and SUC have grown on me over the years. NLOTH, as an album, did 'grow' on me except for a couple of songs (the title track, I'll go crazy, White as snow).
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Quenchable Thirst on October 04, 2012, 07:43:47 AM
I trust Gavin, but he's too close to Bono... *suspicious*

I read an article on The Black Keys the other day saying they wanted to make a new album with Danger Mouse, who has been with them since Attack & Release (a great album by the way), and one of the members of the band said this:

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I talked to him [Danger Mouse, aka Brian Burton] on the phone a couple weeks ago to see what his schedule is like. If we ever work with a producer, its always going to be him. Weve been working with him since 2007, since Attack & Release, and were all really good friends. But hes also really busy, producing so many records lately, so hopefully he has time. Hes producing U2′s record that takes priority over us! [Laughs]

Now they can't all be lying, unless Bono is behind the "THERE IS NO ALBUM FOR 2013!!" conspiracy...
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Pocket Merlin on October 04, 2012, 03:06:59 PM
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I trust Gavin, but he's too close to Bono... *suspicious*

I read an article on The Black Keys the other day saying they wanted to make a new album with Danger Mouse, who has been with them since Attack & Release (a great album by the way), and one of the members of the band said this:

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I talked to him [Danger Mouse, aka Brian Burton] on the phone a couple weeks ago to see what his schedule is like. If we ever work with a producer, its always going to be him. Weve been working with him since 2007, since Attack & Release, and were all really good friends. But hes also really busy, producing so many records lately, so hopefully he has time. Hes producing U2′s record that takes priority over us! [Laughs]

Now they can't all be lying, unless Bono is behind the "THERE IS NO ALBUM FOR 2013!!" conspiracy...

If Patrick Carney actually said that recently...that is legitimately good news. He's pretty much saying that Danger Mouse is busy enough with U2's album that he's not available to do more work with The Black Keys at the moment, which suggests that U2 are actually working and not just sitting around talking about a theoretical project with Danger Mouse.
Title: Re: g friday talks about new u2 album
Post by: Dali on October 23, 2012, 06:22:03 AM
Yup, I second the thought of this being good news. Thanks for posting.