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Title: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: So Cruel on May 31, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
One of the best posters on this forum has been banned.

I disagreed about a lot of things with JTBaby; he is liberal, I am conservative; he is non-religious, I am Catholic; he hates How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb , I think it's their best album of the 00's, etc... but even though we didn't always agree I still respected his opinions as he wrote with intelligence and wit.

Some U2 fans act like the band walks on water and everything they do/have done can not be questioned. JTBaby definitely fell into the group that questioned some of the things U2 have done and are doing. He never gave them a free pass, but I thought he was fair in explaining his reasons for not loving everything U2 have done, especially in the last 10 years.

I hope the MODs can forgive whatever sin JTBaby committed. This forum is a better place with posters like JTBaby on it, not at some other site.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: mdmomof7 on May 31, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
Uh oh!

I hope he comes back too.

I saw that some of his posts had been cautioned or removed on threads in the past few weeks, but not sure why or which, maybe the ones in response to bethere?

Is he in detention, or is he suspended, or expelled?

Mods??
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: jenniferh aka jen on May 31, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
This is heart breaking. I didn't always agree with him either, but I did respect his opinions too.

I hope it's only temporary.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: THRILLHO on May 31, 2013, 10:20:53 PM
I do remember Matt McGee calling him out on his grammar nazi ways once. He was hit and miss with me, we got along i guess. When he wasnt condescending me over my use of "should HAVE" instead of "should OF" lol.



RIP JTBaby.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Quenchable Thirst on May 31, 2013, 10:26:05 PM
They shouldn't of banned him.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: THRILLHO on May 31, 2013, 10:30:49 PM
Yea, he gets banned and this Promenade/Sugar Cubes guy is free to troll as he pleases? Give me a break.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Blue Silken Sky on May 31, 2013, 11:37:56 PM
It's gotta be no fun being a mod.  :-\

There seems to be a healthy mix of passion, indignation, and condescension on some threads. Weeding through all that and deciding what crosses the line, plus responding to the reports of offended posters, must be quite trying.

In any case, JTBaby will be missed. He was from my neck of the woods and had some insights that were interesting to me as a relatively young U2 fan. 
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: singnomore on May 31, 2013, 11:50:51 PM
For info - both JTBaby and Bethere have been given a 7 day ban 'timeout'.  The Mods were receiving higher than normal reported posts and complaints about their ongoing 'discussions' and how it was hijacking thread after thread and impacting members experience on the forum.

With regard to other members activities we are monitoring activity as usual.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: m2 on June 01, 2013, 02:02:00 AM
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They shouldn't of banned him.

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Yea, he gets banned and this Promenade/Sugar Cubes guy is free to troll as he pleases? Give me a break.

I'd sure appreciate it if forum members wouldn't make judgments (like the above) without knowing all of the info happening behind the scenes. Can we agree to that? Thx.

I should add to sing's post that JT has already tried to sneak back in by registering another account, and that account has been fully banned. (Not exactly the kind of thing that makes us eager to welcome him back in a week.)
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: mdmomof7 on June 01, 2013, 05:13:39 AM
Thanks, mods. We really do appreciate all that goes into maintaining such a terrific site!

It seems JT is in Time Out and tried to get up. JT!

Hope he can come back in a week or so.

Gotcha on the hijacked threads.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: zootv on June 01, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Good Riddance.  He was negative and argumentative a great deal of the time. Good job mods.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: So Cruel on June 01, 2013, 10:45:17 AM
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Good Riddance.  He was negative and argumentative a great deal of the time. Good job mods.

You know what Bono says about ridding the room of argument...
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: zootv on June 01, 2013, 10:54:51 AM
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Good Riddance.  He was negative and argumentative a great deal of the time. Good job mods.

You know what Bono says about ridding the room of argument...


I get that but arguing just for the sake of argument is no good to anyone.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: TheU2Ken on June 01, 2013, 11:14:49 AM
JTBaby wasn't bad all the time, usually when posters like Bethere are around

I hope Bethere chooses to stay away so the old JTBaby can come back.

Thanks for stopping the growing argument Mods
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: The Exile on June 01, 2013, 12:32:05 PM
Hope he's back soon. Each day I'ma pour a bit of my Thunderbird out on the ground for him until he's out of lockdown.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: satellitedog01 on June 01, 2013, 02:19:28 PM
And wipe some oreo crumbs from your table too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMIzTh0Lafg
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Borack on June 01, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
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Good Riddance.  He was negative and argumentative a great deal of the time. Good job mods.

I disagree. While I don't understand the circumstances and did not read the objectionable remarks, I generally found JTB's remarks to be useful, often constructive and usually full of irreverent insights rather than demeaning insults. He may have possessed some contrarian perspectives, but he was also blunt and plain-spoken. What is the expression that Brits use to describe this trait or character? "someone who did not suffer fools gladly".

When I think of JT, and if I were to compare him to John Goodman's movie characters, I'd rate him as 85% John Chambers (Argo) and 15% Walter Sobchack (The Big Lebowski) ... But given that I'd not classify him as a Troll, and given that its a Saturday as I write this, there's only one thing to say. ... "Tsomer Tshabbos there JT, and enjoy the break".  Be well.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: zootv on June 01, 2013, 06:51:36 PM
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Good Riddance.  He was negative and argumentative a great deal of the time. Good job mods.

I disagree. While I don't understand the circumstances and did not read the objectionable remarks, I generally found JTB's remarks to be useful, often constructive and usually full of irreverent insights rather than demeaning insults. He may have possessed some contrarian perspectives, but he was also blunt and plain-spoken. What is the expression that Brits use to describe this trait or character? "someone who did not suffer fools gladly".

When I think of JT, and if I were to compare him to John Goodman's movie characters, I'd rate him as 85% John Chambers (Argo) and 15% Walter Sobchack (The Big Lebowski) ... But given that I'd not classify him as a Troll, and given that its a Saturday as I write this, there's only one thing to say. ... "Tsomer Tshabbos there JT, and enjoy the break".  Be well.

Lol.... A tad overly dramatic ;)
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Quenchable Thirst on June 01, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
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They shouldn't of banned him.

I'd sure appreciate it if forum members wouldn't make judgments (like the above) without knowing all of the info happening behind the scenes. Can we agree to that? Thx.

Sorry, I was trying to make a joke (or maybe invoke JTBaby by making the worst grammar mistake possible), but it clearly didn't work.  :-\
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: GardenTart on June 01, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
I'm sure that the mods banned him for good reason. I also found JT to be very negative and contrary (but that is not unlike many members on this forum) so I either ignored his comments or took them with a large grain of salt.

Having said that, he obviously has a lot of fans here and I don't like to see anyone permanently banned so I hope to see him back again.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: So Cruel on June 02, 2013, 10:17:39 AM
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Good Riddance.  He was negative and argumentative a great deal of the time. Good job mods.

I disagree. While I don't understand the circumstances and did not read the objectionable remarks, I generally found JTB's remarks to be useful, often constructive and usually full of irreverent insights rather than demeaning insults. He may have possessed some contrarian perspectives, but he was also blunt and plain-spoken. What is the expression that Brits use to describe this trait or character? "someone who did not suffer fools gladly".

When I think of JT, and if I were to compare him to John Goodman's movie characters, I'd rate him as 85% John Chambers (Argo) and 15% Walter Sobchack (The Big Lebowski) ... But given that I'd not classify him as a Troll, and given that its a Saturday as I write this, there's only one thing to say. ... "Tsomer Tshabbos there JT, and enjoy the break".  Be well.

So I guess if JT is Walter Sobchak then Bethere must be Donny.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 02, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
When JTBaby comes back I would like to see an end to unqualified diatribes about Atomic Bomb being crap. We get that. Time to move on.
I would hate to listen to a year of talk about the new album being crap too, and how it's not as good as Achtung Baby. I'm looking forward to the new album and would love to have some good discussion about it here without a bad taste in my mouth because JT hates half the songs.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: So Cruel on June 02, 2013, 11:41:45 AM
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When JTBaby comes back I would like to see an end to unqualified diatribes about Atomic Bomb being crap. We get that. Time to move on.
I would hate to listen to a year of talk about the new album being crap too, and how it's not as good as Achtung Baby. I'm looking forward to the new album and would love to have some good discussion about it here without a bad taste in my mouth because JT hates half the songs.

Why would JT's opinion (or anyones for that matter) on U2's music leave you with a bad taste in your mouth? I know lots of people who think U2 are sh*t and it doesn't bother me at all.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: zootv on June 02, 2013, 11:45:05 AM
That fact that he tried sneaking back on here goes to show that he does not accept his punishment, and nothing's going to change when he returns. Further proof that he should be gone for good.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: big_willy_wonka on June 02, 2013, 11:58:01 AM
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Yea, he gets banned and this Promenade/Sugar Cubes guy is free to troll as he pleases? Give me a break.

That idiot got banned - and rightly so. I hate the way some people are free to express their opinions
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: TheU2Ken on June 02, 2013, 11:59:06 AM
Oh Prom you are funny :D
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: big_willy_wonka on June 02, 2013, 11:59:58 AM
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Oh Prom you are funny :D

 ;D ;)
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Borack on June 02, 2013, 02:27:52 PM
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So I guess if JT is Walter Sobchak then Bethere must be Donny.

Hmmm. That's an interesting point ... and the more I thought about it as I swam in an oxygen deprived state, the more I came to agree with your assessment. Besides, as the following scene indicates, Walter cared a great deal about Donny, even though he might not have always agreed with his opinion or expressed a lot of support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK_iEvq9yfY

Meanwhile, if we continue down this strange path, AND if we agree to ignore some of the more villainous characters (Quintana, Treehorn, Bunny, and the Nihilist biker leader) ... then the question arises whom else could be cast in key roles.  With apologies to other folks (and with additional apologies to others who may have been left on the cutting room floor), my provisional role assignments would be:
Walter - JTBaby, Donny - BeThere, The Dude - So Cruel,  Mr. Lebowski Senior - ZooTV, The Stranger - SingNoMore, and Maude Lebowski - GardenTart. ... One might even make a case for BigWillyWonka as Brant or MM as one of the Cohen Brothers (that helped to facilitate the event) but eventually you run out of characters or good sense.  At any rate, be well everyone and play nice.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: EnduringChill on June 02, 2013, 03:18:09 PM
It's odd that as soon as a member is banned, we let our opinions of said member fly publically, as if "They're gone, now we can talk about them (behind their backs)!" It seems weird to make this into a public thread.

But as it is... bye, JTBaby and Bethere, see you when time-out is over.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: zootv on June 02, 2013, 03:27:41 PM
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It's odd that as soon as a member is banned, we let our opinions of said member fly publically, as if "They're gone, now we can talk about them (behind their backs)!" It seems weird to make this into a public thread.

But as it is... bye, JTBaby and Bethere, see you when time-out is over.

I'm quite certain that he's read every word of this thread.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: big_willy_wonka on June 02, 2013, 03:40:36 PM
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It's odd that as soon as a member is banned, we let our opinions of said member fly publically, as if "They're gone, now we can talk about them (behind their backs)!" It seems weird to make this into a public thread.

But as it is... bye, JTBaby and Bethere, see you when time-out is over.

I'm quite certain that he's read every word of this thread.

I'm sure one of the forum rules was not to talk about other forum members
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: EnduringChill on June 02, 2013, 03:44:05 PM
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It's odd that as soon as a member is banned, we let our opinions of said member fly publically, as if "They're gone, now we can talk about them (behind their backs)!" It seems weird to make this into a public thread.

But as it is... bye, JTBaby and Bethere, see you when time-out is over.

I'm quite certain that he's read every word of this thread.
Exactly, that's why it seems weird. He probably doesn't care about the negative comments, but it doesn't seem right to me.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 02, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
Just my two cents worth. This is a fan forum. There is constructive criticism and there is unqualified derision. JT has gone too far many a time. I'm sure there's a haters forum out there somewhere. I for one like to discuss U2 with other *fans* who actually like U2's music.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: So Cruel on June 02, 2013, 06:23:39 PM
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So I guess if JT is Walter Sobchak then Bethere must be Donny.

Hmmm. That's an interesting point ... and the more I thought about it as I swam in an oxygen deprived state, the more I came to agree with your assessment. Besides, as the following scene indicates, Walter cared a great deal about Donny, even though he might not have always agreed with his opinion or expressed a lot of support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK_iEvq9yfY

Meanwhile, if we continue down this strange path, AND if we agree to ignore some of the more villainous characters (Quintana, Treehorn, Bunny, and the Nihilist biker leader) ... then the question arises whom else could be cast in key roles.  With apologies to other folks (and with additional apologies to others who may have been left on the cutting room floor), my provisional role assignments would be:
Walter - JTBaby, Donny - BeThere, The Dude - So Cruel,  Mr. Lebowski Senior - ZooTV, The Stranger - SingNoMore, and Maude Lebowski - GardenTart. ... One might even make a case for BigWillyWonka as Brant or MM as one of the Cohen Brothers (that helped to facilitate the event) but eventually you run out of characters or good sense.  At any rate, be well everyone and play nice.

The Dude, ya, I can roll with that. And like the Dude, I f*ckn hate the Eagles too.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: zootv on June 02, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
I've never seen the movie but its coming on later tonight. I'm DVR'ing it.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: GardenTart on June 02, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
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So I guess if JT is Walter Sobchak then Bethere must be Donny.

Hmmm. That's an interesting point ... and the more I thought about it as I swam in an oxygen deprived state, the more I came to agree with your assessment. Besides, as the following scene indicates, Walter cared a great deal about Donny, even though he might not have always agreed with his opinion or expressed a lot of support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK_iEvq9yfY

Meanwhile, if we continue down this strange path, AND if we agree to ignore some of the more villainous characters (Quintana, Treehorn, Bunny, and the Nihilist biker leader) ... then the question arises whom else could be cast in key roles.  With apologies to other folks (and with additional apologies to others who may have been left on the cutting room floor), my provisional role assignments would be:
Walter - JTBaby, Donny - BeThere, The Dude - So Cruel,  Mr. Lebowski Senior - ZooTV, The Stranger - SingNoMore, and Maude Lebowski - GardenTart. ... One might even make a case for BigWillyWonka as Brant or MM as one of the Cohen Brothers (that helped to facilitate the event) but eventually you run out of characters or good sense.  At any rate, be well everyone and play nice.

The Dude, ya, I can roll with that. And like the Dude, I f*ckn hate the Eagles too.

Borack, you flatter me. While I'm not as artistic or idiosyncratic as Maude, I am independent and tend to intimidate men with my confidence.....
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 02, 2013, 08:31:36 PM
So wait, was Bethere banned as well?  I admittedly don't know the details involved, but I found one of them to add something to the conversations on here, and the other one did not.  You can decide who is who in this instance.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Starman on June 02, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
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It's odd that as soon as a member is banned, we let our opinions of said member fly publically, as if "They're gone, now we can talk about them (behind their backs)!" It seems weird to make this into a public thread.

But as it is... bye, JTBaby and Bethere, see you when time-out is over.

I agree
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: singnomore on June 02, 2013, 09:14:45 PM
As the 'Odd Cowboy' may say - please remember we have had a multitude of reported posts about the ongoing 'discussions' that resulted in this temporary ban for both members. Indeed some of these reported posts may have come from some of the 'indignant' posters in this thread...
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: soapit on June 03, 2013, 12:22:13 AM
my personal feelings about jtbaby and bethere and their posting styles arent too relevant but they obviously did something to get banned considering all the other dodgy behaviour we get up to the mods are pretty lenient as a rule.

the rules on here really arent too complicated or difficult to comply with, and as i understand you'd get some warnings before a ban happens so if you do get banned you've only got urself to blame. amazing they couldnt control themselves really. quite funny he tried to create an alt and got busted though.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: striker on June 03, 2013, 01:14:19 PM
^ Should've created it from a different IP address.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 04, 2013, 05:46:56 AM
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^ Should've created it from a different IP address.

A bit of deductive reasoning would do it.
1). A new account.
2). Looks up certain posts. (Returns to the scene of the crime.)
3). Comments in a similar vein as before.

Not hard. Even from a different IP address it's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: briscoetheque on June 04, 2013, 06:01:37 AM
This should put an end to thread hijacking once and for all right?

Right?
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 05, 2013, 04:55:33 PM
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This should put an end to thread hijacking once and for all right?

Right?

At least until someone allows ONE of them back.  Then you can expect to see PopMart ticket sales stats cluttering up a thread about a nice day on the beach you had.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: imaginary friend on June 05, 2013, 09:37:50 PM
I always miss the drama.   :(
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on June 05, 2013, 09:42:14 PM
In noticing on how many instances of this thread hijacking was taking place, I'm not really surprised.

At least we get a statistical break in the mean time, but in a few days be ready to see a flurry of numbers and "facts" reappear.

Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: So Cruel on June 06, 2013, 08:25:21 AM
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In noticing on how many instances of this thread hijacking was taking place, I'm not really surprised.

At least we get a statistical break in the mean time, but in a few days be ready to see a flurry of numbers and "facts" reappear.



We'll truely know Bethere's back when we see Popmart Tampa stats and a clip of 360 I Will Follow from Salt Lake City
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: GardenTart on June 06, 2013, 09:20:04 AM
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This should put an end to thread hijacking once and for all right?

Right?

At least until someone allows ONE of them back.  Then you can expect to see PopMart ticket sales stats cluttering up a thread about a nice day on the beach you had.
;D Thank you for a Thursday morning laugh out loud  ;D Although, there are several members who do that.....
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: JTBaby on June 08, 2013, 08:36:07 AM
Well well, lookee here !

You know, if nothing else this thread proves once and for all that despite the “can’t we all get along and agree on everything and let’s keep everything positive” movement, what really gets people to post here is debate, argument and drama.

There are now more posts in this thread about lil’ ol’ me than in the “m2 appreciation” thread below. 

To my friends/supporters/and basically everyone who even if they don’t agree with me respect the fact that at least I do say it with honesty, conviction and the occasional bit of humor, thanks, it’s much appreciated. It’s seeing those messages that convinced me to come back.

To ZooTV:  I’m glad you spoke up, now I know who you are. If, before this, someone had started a “zootv got banned” thread my response would have been “who?”, but now my response would be “oh yeah, that’s the guy who talked crap about me the second he thought I was gone”. I don’t get along with everyone, but I’m ok with that, what I find is that in a community of honest forthright people one can usually find common ground such as with So Cruel or Maximus who are the polar opposite of me in terms of opinions about religion and politics for example but yet someone I could share a beer or a dram with

To Pasha: I’ll be sure to talk about the new album. When we have it. I’m not going to sit and speculate on the cover art, the title or which animal may be in a lyric though, I find those discussions pointless and inane. As for criticisms of other work, well, too bad. When there’s a moratorium put on opinions being expressed, I’ll leave of my own accord, I won’t wait around to be “banned”. I don’t start “HTDDAB is Crap” threads , any criticism that I express is within the context of an ongoing discussion, if you don’t like it, don’t read it. Just ignore my posts. 

Anyhow, this is my one and only post on this thread, anyone wanting more detail on anything or wanting to take me to task on something may send me a private message and I’ll be happy to have a discussion with you.

The Babe Abides.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: TheU2Ken on June 08, 2013, 09:00:41 AM
welcome back JT
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: imaginary friend on June 08, 2013, 05:03:42 PM
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In noticing on how many instances of this thread hijacking was taking place, I'm not really surprised.

At least we get a statistical break in the mean time, but in a few days be ready to see a flurry of numbers and "facts" reappear.



We'll truely know Bethere's back when we see Popmart Tampa stats and a clip of 360 I Will Follow from Salt Lake City

he's already back.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on June 08, 2013, 08:05:21 PM
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Well well, lookee here !

You know, if nothing else this thread proves once and for all that despite the “can’t we all get along and agree on everything and let’s keep everything positive” movement, what really gets people to post here is debate, argument and drama.

There are now more posts in this thread about lil’ ol’ me than in the “m2 appreciation” thread below. 

To my friends/supporters/and basically everyone who even if they don’t agree with me respect the fact that at least I do say it with honesty, conviction and the occasional bit of humor, thanks, it’s much appreciated. It’s seeing those messages that convinced me to come back.

To ZooTV:  I’m glad you spoke up, now I know who you are. If, before this, someone had started a “zootv got banned” thread my response would have been “who?”, but now my response would be “oh yeah, that’s the guy who talked crap about me the second he thought I was gone”. I don’t get along with everyone, but I’m ok with that, what I find is that in a community of honest forthright people one can usually find common ground such as with So Cruel or Maximus who are the polar opposite of me in terms of opinions about religion and politics for example but yet someone I could share a beer or a dram with

To Pasha: I’ll be sure to talk about the new album. When we have it. I’m not going to sit and speculate on the cover art, the title or which animal may be in a lyric though, I find those discussions pointless and inane. As for criticisms of other work, well, too bad. When there’s a moratorium put on opinions being expressed, I’ll leave of my own accord, I won’t wait around to be “banned”. I don’t start “HTDDAB is Crap” threads , any criticism that I express is within the context of an ongoing discussion, if you don’t like it, don’t read it. Just ignore my posts. 

Anyhow, this is my one and only post on this thread, anyone wanting more detail on anything or wanting to take me to task on something may send me a private message and I’ll be happy to have a discussion with you.

The Babe Abides.

Fair enough. But in the future, when a Mod sends you a PM with a simple question, try not to be a total A-hole when you reply. Cool? Cool.

And what are you drinkin'? I'll buy.
Title: Re: JTBaby's been banned
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on June 08, 2013, 08:29:16 PM
Since every county's been heard from, and JT's back, I think we'll just lock it and move on.