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Title: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 06:47:18 AM
Note: I've changed the Subject line to better reflect the direction that the discussion this thread has taken. Originally, this started out as a discussion on whether or not the band played "This Is" live.

I'm enjoying hearing something new from U2 even though it is a cover.  The song is very catchy and I prefer their version to the original.

I've watched the video of U2 playing "This Is" a bunch of times and have come to the conclusion that it is not a live performance.

Near the end of the song during the "Everybody hits you with this feeling..." chorus, Bono begins to sing with the Edge again but catches himself and stops because he's about to sing the "Everybody hits you; Everybody knocks you down..." part.

Watching that moment again and paying closer attention the Edge instead of Bono this time, I realized it wasn't a live performance.  The Edge is not by the microphone and is looking down at his guitar with his mouth closed!  Bono stops singing too at this point.  Their voices can be heard singing the chorus yet we can clearly can that see no one is actually singing.  The edit then immediately cuts to The Edge singing the chorus again as though he was all along.

Here's a screen capture I found of the moment:

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You can see and hear it too at 3 minute 27 second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iXlsbEM9-CM#t=3m27s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iXlsbEM9-CM#t=3m27s)

I still love the band and enjoy the song.  ;)

p.s. You can probably also tell that this U2 fan has been so starved for new material that every nuance of any nugget from the band is being thoroughly analyzed and relished.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: striker on June 25, 2013, 07:13:24 AM
It never sounded 'live' to begin with. It's heavily edited.

Nice detective work though  8)
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 09:18:56 AM
Now I wonder if their sound in this song foreshadows the sound of their upcoming album (ala "Night & Day" with Achtung Baby)...
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: eddyjedi on June 25, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
I will say this much, it's a hell of a lot more interesting than 'I believe in father christmas'.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: striker on June 25, 2013, 10:06:35 AM
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I will say this much, it's a hell of a lot more interesting than 'I believe in father christmas'.
Word.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: an tha on June 25, 2013, 11:49:31 AM
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Now I wonder if their sound in this song foreshadows the sound of their upcoming album (ala "Night & Day" with Achtung Baby)...

I raised the same question on the thread discussing the performance

I really hope it does not.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 11:57:36 AM
The guitar sound in this song and 'I Believe in Father Christmas' have an "ethereal" quality and this tweet also describes the new album in a similar fashion:

https://twitter.com/AidreenWhen/status/348533123732078592 (https://twitter.com/AidreenWhen/status/348533123732078592)

hmmmm... my detective work continues...
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: The Wanderer on June 25, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I never assumed it was 'live', simply due to the fact that their are multiple camera angles going on. Since you don't ever see cameras appearing on various shots it tells me this was edited and re-edit.  Great cover though....
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 12:30:36 PM
Here's why I originally thought it was live:

https://twitter.com/U2log/status/348243629996900352 (https://twitter.com/U2log/status/348243629996900352)

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Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: BalconyTV on June 25, 2013, 02:08:10 PM
Theres a bit where Larry Mullen disappears from the drum set behind Bono! And then reappears for the end of the song :-)
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 02:15:43 PM
And here Guggi announces that U2 are playing live...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uIeFqVUiRo&feature=youtu.be][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uIeFqVUiRo&feature=youtu.be (http://[url)[/url]

at the 29 second mark
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: DGordon1 on June 25, 2013, 04:16:42 PM
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I will say this much, it's a hell of a lot more interesting than 'I believe in father christmas'.

I loved their cover of that. The original song always bored me, but their bare bones version made it more poignant imo.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: satellitedog01 on June 25, 2013, 05:26:08 PM
I prefer Father Christmas by far. This Is is catchy, but a mediocre tune, while the former is great in both its original and U2 performances. I wish Edge would just try some original guitar tones for these one off songs, like he did with Tower of Song for example.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 06:33:18 PM
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Theres a bit where Larry Mullen disappears from the drum set behind Bono! And then reappears for the end of the song :-)

hahaha! I never noticed that until you pointed it out. Thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: eddyjedi on June 25, 2013, 06:34:58 PM
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I prefer Father Christmas by far. This Is is catchy, but a mediocre tune, while the former is great in both its original and U2 performances. I wish Edge would just try some original guitar tones for these one off songs, like he did with Tower of Song for example.

No offence satellite dog but are you ever positive about U2 these days? Do you even like the band anymore?
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: MASTER YODA on June 25, 2013, 07:22:44 PM
I actually hope this is their new style, lots more energy
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 25, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
I do like their performance on "This Is" with my favorite part being the same as @scatterolight's

http://scatterolight.com/2013/06/23/u2-this-is-aslan-cover-audio-and-video/ (http://scatterolight.com/2013/06/23/u2-this-is-aslan-cover-audio-and-video/)

However, I would prefer an album that has mostly rockers and fast, action songs with more cosmic, electric buzzing guitar sounds... an album of songs with the vibe of The Fly, God Pt. 2, Bullet, Two Hearts, Mofo, and if there's a couple slow tracks they'd still have rocking parts like Dirty Day, Gone, or Until the End of the World.

This thread is all over the place.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: an tha on June 26, 2013, 12:58:39 AM
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I actually hope this is their new style, lots more energy

Whilst that was just a cover and it tells us (and i am sure wasn't meant to) nothing really about their direction - and of course personal taste is each persons own thing, i am interested to know why you would want the band to stand still and remain stuck in their 00's sound. For me that arrangement was very MOR, unadventurous and a bit 'syrupy' - like a lot of their 00's stuff.

For me i want to hear them push themselves, i want some grit, some groove, some experimentation, a heavier sound.

All about personal taste of course - but for me an album with the kind of sound in that video would be a dissappointment and represent u2 playing it safe - again

Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: satellitedog01 on June 26, 2013, 01:20:13 AM
None taken, I stated before that I'm still interested in their new songs, but I have expectations when they decide to show up as a band, and SBS was positively underwhelming, while This Is isn't a great song and Bono's voice is the only interesting thing about it to me, the rest is a bog standard U2 hack-job, yet most of the forumers hail it as a hopeful precursor to the DM record or something...

My negativity comes from the brand vs band shift in focus along the years, so that likely won't go away until they present new material that doesn't pander to the top 40 crowd, who could care less what their flavour of the week is called.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: Dali on June 26, 2013, 01:46:10 AM
This is not the voice of a tired man ...

Is this song going to be on a tribute CD? Or at least a single-b-side? I want this in full CD quality.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: eddyjedi on June 26, 2013, 03:14:30 AM
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None taken, I stated before that I'm still interested in their new songs, but I have expectations when they decide to show up as a band, and SBS was positively underwhelming, while This Is isn't a great song and Bono's voice is the only interesting thing about it to me, the rest is a bog standard U2 hack-job, yet most of the forumers hail it as a hopeful precursor to the DM record or something...

My negativity comes from the brand vs band shift in focus along the years, so that likely won't go away until they present new material that doesn't pander to the top 40 crowd, who could care less what their flavour of the week is called.

Kudos right there.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: satellitedog01 on June 26, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
What for? :-))) I do hope speaking one's mind is not considered a feat around here.
Title: Re: Evidence that "This Is" U2 for Aslan is not a live performance
Post by: andrewau2 on June 26, 2013, 07:29:30 AM
I agree.  I hope the lack of success that NLOTH had doesn't cause U2 to retreat to their "sound" like they did after Pop when they went to ATYCLB. 

I prefer Pop and where the band was headed in the 90s with the more experimental & electronic sound and especially with The Edge trying to make the guitar sound different.

Much of the Edge's guitar sound of the last few *popular* U2 songs from the albums of the 00s have that chiming echo quality that you can hear on "This Is" and "Father Christmas"  (with the exception of the buzzing guitar sound of "Elevation" & "Vertigo".)   
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: satellitedog01 on June 26, 2013, 08:03:28 AM
Yeah, he's been overusing his signature sounds for the past few years, which worked for many songs, but I strongly prefer when he goes after the perfect tone for the mood. Also, even with his most adventurous sounds, he remained recognizable as the guitar player of U2.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: andrewau2 on June 29, 2013, 03:34:01 PM
I'm excited to read this tweet:

https://twitter.com/atu2/status/351048433383124993

which does NOT describe the sound as "ethereal."

I'm interpreting the description to mean one of two things:

1. the sound of the new album will be like Boy, October, War i.e. NOT OVER produced

if so, yay!

OR

2. fans are just hearing the album before heavy producing that will happen before its release. 

If so, then I'd imagine the album will sound more "ethereal" ala This Is and Father Christmas. :(
 
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: eddyjedi on June 29, 2013, 05:43:14 PM
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I'm excited to read this tweet:

https://twitter.com/atu2/status/351048433383124993

which does NOT describe the sound as "ethereal."

I'm interpreting the description to mean one of two things:

1. the sound of the new album will be like Boy, October, War i.e. NOT OVER produced

if so, yay!

OR

2. fans are just hearing the album before heaving producing that will happen before its release. 

If so, then I'd imagine the album will sound more "ethereal" ala This Is and Father Christmas.

I'd put raw and old school in the rattle and hum period. The 2 leaked demos sound v much like R&H era U2 which I love.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: joshtree14 on July 03, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
Nothing new about the "sound". Edges guitar is clean with delay
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: MASTER YODA on July 03, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
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Nothing new about the "sound". Edges guitar is clean with delay

Yeah but still exciting news.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: satellitedog01 on July 04, 2013, 01:56:12 AM
As in? His default lazy sound this is, Master Yoda.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: whitewave on July 04, 2013, 07:13:21 AM
Good lord, I hope not.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: andrewau2 on July 04, 2013, 08:37:55 AM
What Ever Happened to Pete The Chop the Edge who wasn't interested in the same old guitar sound and came up with what we hear in EBTTRT, Lemon, & Gone!?
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: satellitedog01 on July 04, 2013, 09:17:30 AM
Exactly. I'm not here to promote Pop, but that record was a swedish buffet of interesting guitar tones compared to the last two.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: Albono on July 16, 2013, 03:04:41 AM
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Exactly. I'm not here to promote Pop, but that record was a swedish buffet of interesting guitar tones compared to the last two.

You nailed it... the intro to Discothèque, the chaos of Gone, and The Edge's sophisticated approach to Do You Feel Loved are all pure guitar genius!
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: Droo on July 16, 2013, 09:27:29 PM
You can thank Naked Funk for the guitar in Do You Feel Loved. Plagiarism is sophisticated, right?
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: wraitii on July 17, 2013, 03:53:39 AM
Still a bit of Edge in there. There's no denying he took inspiration from contemporary music to get his effects.

Still, Elevation's interesting too, if you're going there. Though not nearly as much as Hold Me.

Let's hope for a bit of creativity...

(and good catch on Larry disappearing, that's mildly funny).
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: Albono on July 25, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
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You can thank Naked Funk for the guitar in Do You Feel Loved. Plagiarism is sophisticated, right?

They were credited as inspiration for the song.  I'm resisting the temptation to listen to Naked Funk's version... just not to ruin the DYFL experience.

The Lightning Seeds' "You Showed Me" is very evident on "The Playboy Mansion", which is quite a bummer. I keep humming from one song to the other whenever that track is playing.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: Kurukira on July 25, 2013, 11:59:09 PM
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Exactly. I'm not here to promote Pop, but that record was a swedish buffet of interesting guitar tones compared to the last two.
^
This.
Title: Re: Does U2's cover of Aslan's "This Is" indicate the new album's sound?
Post by: jick on July 26, 2013, 06:11:18 AM
No connection.

Holy Joe sounded nothing like Pop.

The Ground Beneath Her Feet and Stateless sounded nothing like All That You Can't Leave Behind.

Aslan cover won't indicate anything about the new album.  A cover is about U2 playing live. A new album is all about studio treatments and multiple takes.

Cheers,

J