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Title: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 28, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
If you would like to see some old songs previously unreleased on the new album, then what would they be?
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Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 28, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
I don't want any old songs on the new album, even though I do like some of them a lot. I want complete and utterly new creativity that is jawbreaking in its intensity. We haven't waited this long for a mediocre record now.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Miami66 on June 28, 2013, 08:01:05 PM
I'd be fine with North Star and EBW. Wouldn't mind Mercy if its the new one. I hate the original version, but love the new lyrics.
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Post by: _acrobat on June 28, 2013, 08:07:08 PM
Ill be overjoyed if the include a real EBW. That's the only one I'm excited to hear, but I wouldn't mind North Star or some others. As long as its limited to one or two. 
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Post by: AchtungPop on June 28, 2013, 08:14:25 PM
Stingray with vocals added might be cool.

I think EBW & North Star could be interesting since we've only heard live versions. U2 has always seemed to change songs live after putting them on an album...(Crazy Tonight, Boots, Vertigo, Elevation, Many songs from 'Pop', a bunch others) So it could be cool to have early versions of songs we heard live that are drastically changed and put on an album. Not for the whole album of course, but 1 or 2 songs.
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Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on June 28, 2013, 08:31:29 PM
Mercy, Every Breaking Wave and North Star

The HTDAAB sessions version of Mercy is in my top 10 favorite U2 songs, I absolutely ADORE it.  The 2010 version is still quite good too.  I would love to hear a PROPER studio release for sure.

Every Breaking Wave needs to be properly released.  Without a doubt. 

I believe North Star has a ton of potential as well.  Would love to hear a proper studio version.

I don't particularly care for Glastonbury, Soon or Stingray.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: trevgreg on June 28, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
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Stingray with vocals added might be cool.

I think EBW & North Star could be interesting since we've only heard live versions. U2 has always seemed to change songs live after putting them on an album...(Crazy Tonight, Boots, Vertigo, Elevation, Many songs from 'Pop', a bunch others) So it could be cool to have early versions of songs we heard live that are drastically changed and put on an album. Not for the whole album of course, but 1 or 2 songs.

I agree with everything you said.
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Post by: Droo on June 28, 2013, 10:20:25 PM
Every Breaking Wave only. The rest should be thrown out as historical oddities.
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Post by: Thunder Peel on June 28, 2013, 11:01:32 PM
I'm still a big advocate for Mercy and wouldn't mind seeing it on a proper album, but only if it fits in the theme and mood of the record.
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Post by: zootv on June 28, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
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I don't want any new songs on the new album, even though I do like some of them a lot. I want complete and utterly new creativity that is jawbreaking in its intensity. We haven't waited this long for a mediocre record now.

This.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Izzy on June 28, 2013, 11:19:21 PM
I hope the old stuff does make an appearance soon....


.... As B-sides. Its been a while since we've been treated to good ones.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: an tha on June 29, 2013, 04:29:04 AM
Like Montgomery Brewster said, none of the above!

I can't believe all the calls for mercy on here across threads - its a ten year old song, with syrupy lyrics, is u2 in the 00s by numbers and would signify a step back not forward
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Post by: Spilling Over the Brim on June 29, 2013, 04:48:12 AM
Wasn't one of these songs supposedly played in the background of a transformers movie? I thought perhaps it was North Star? Well whichever one it was, I hope it's not used on the new album. To me, that would be a pretty low moment in U2 history to have to recycle something they originally tossed off carelessly for a jerry bruckheimer behemoth. If they reworked the song and use it as a B-side then that's a different story - they should do this. Or maybe they will just take an idea/theme/part from that song to make up a new track(like they tend to do)? That would be alright. I'm sure others will disagree and that's fine, just my two cents. Goodnight.
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Post by: The Unknown Caller on June 29, 2013, 05:25:46 AM
I will be happy with good songs; I don't care if they're from 2010 or 2012.
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Post by: eddyjedi on June 29, 2013, 05:42:50 AM
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I will be happy with good songs; I don't care if they're from 2010 or 2012.

+1

We can't pass judgement on anything yet.
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Post by: two hearts on June 29, 2013, 06:32:01 AM
Why not release all these songs as a free download ep..that would please all the fan's and get these track's out of the way..
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Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 29, 2013, 07:33:29 AM
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I'd be fine with North Star and EBW. Wouldn't mind Mercy if its the new one. I hate the original version, but love the new lyrics.

Sigh. Hate.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 29, 2013, 07:36:02 AM
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I hope the old stuff does make an appearance soon....


.... As B-sides. Its been a while since we've been treated to good ones.

Yes! Bring back the b-side U2 and knock yourself out releasing some of these old songs, but only in that context.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 29, 2013, 07:37:18 AM
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Like Montgomery Brewster said, none of the above!

I can't believe all the calls for mercy on here across threads - its a ten year old song, with syrupy lyrics, is u2 in the 00s by numbers and would signify a step back not forward

As much as I love the song, releasing a song from 2004 would certainly be a step backward, or at least stagnation.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: The Unknown Caller on June 29, 2013, 07:38:34 AM
Surprised so few people are against releasing any of them - only 15% currently.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 29, 2013, 07:40:26 AM
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Surprised so few people are against releasing any of them - only 15% currently.

8 people are against releasing any of them out of 30 voters = 27%.
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Post by: eddyjedi on June 29, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
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Surprised so few people are against releasing any of them - only 15% currently.

8 people are against releasing any of them out of 30 voters = 27%.

I think you need to go back to school.
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Post by: Siberian Tiger on June 29, 2013, 08:00:53 AM
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Surprised so few people are against releasing any of them - only 15% currently.

8 people are against releasing any of them out of 30 voters = 27%.

I think you need to go back to school.

Hmmm. Thanks for your sarcasm.  There were 30 people who voted. Eight people said they do not want any of the old songs on the new album. The rest of the votes are all made of people voting multiple times. 27% of the voters do not want any old songs, even though their 8 votes only make up 15% of the total votes (55 votes).  I.e 8/30 = 26.67 %.  8/55 = 14.54%

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Post by: Saculniai on June 29, 2013, 08:07:52 AM
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Why not release all these songs as a free download ep..that would please all the fan's and get these track's out of the way..


Maybe release three of them with the first single as an EP?


I chose three: EBW, NS & Soon. I hope that with the first two they don't over develop and spoil. Soon is fantastic an needs a little development to add to 'choir' verses/chorus.

Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: Saculniai on June 29, 2013, 08:09:28 AM


I can't believe all the calls for mercy on here across threads - its a ten year old song, with syrupy lyrics, is u2 in the 00s by numbers and would signify a step back not forward



Why is there any love for Mercy - quite frankly it's poor and been released already on the WAIE vinyl.
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Post by: eddyjedi on June 29, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
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Why not release all these songs as a free download ep..that would please all the fan's and get these track's out of the way..


Maybe release three of them with the first single as an EP?


I chose three: EBW, NS & Soon. I hope that with the first two they don't over develop and spoil. Soon is fantastic an needs a little development to add to 'choir' verses/chorus.

Soon is like a 23rd century still haven't found. It's awesome.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: smee on June 29, 2013, 08:51:35 AM
I voted none of the above. Why anyone would want a song that is a) sub standard offering and b) already widely available is beyond me. If one of them songs listed, all of which, i class as b-side material at the very best, made it on to the album, it would mean one less new song for the fans to enjoy
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Post by: Izzy on June 29, 2013, 10:31:24 AM
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I voted none of the above. Why anyone would want a song that is a) sub standard offering and b) already widely available is beyond me. If one of them songs listed, all of which, i class as b-side material at the very best, made it on to the album, it would mean one less new song for the fans to enjoy

Could still be better than so-so remixes of so-so songs
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: An Cat Dubh on June 29, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
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I voted none of the above. Why anyone would want a song that is a) sub standard offering and b) already widely available is beyond me. If one of them songs listed, all of which, i class as b-side material at the very best, made it on to the album, it would mean one less new song for the fans to enjoy

Perfectly said Smee. Couldn't agree more.

New album = new songs please, all of them.

I really cannot believe anyone would want any of these older songs on a brand new release by the band.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: JTBaby on June 29, 2013, 11:06:28 AM
New poll option.

"Doesn't matter as long as its good"

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Post by: An Cat Dubh on June 29, 2013, 11:59:31 AM
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New poll option.

"Doesn't matter as long as its good"



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New poll option.

"Doesn't matter as long as its good"



Doesn't matter to me JT. If the release an album that includes the six songs on this poll, that will leave room for what 5-6 new ones? After 4 years I want 11-12 new ones, a new, fresh and cohesive sounding body of work that proves to me the band can excite me once again after all these years.

I will be very, very let down if these old, and to be honest sub standard songs are included in the next release. No matter how good the newer songs are.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: an tha on June 29, 2013, 12:34:04 PM
Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.


Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: sulphur76 on June 29, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
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I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.

BOOM!

Agreed.
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Post by: An Cat Dubh on June 29, 2013, 02:37:38 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.




Nail on the head here.
Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: trevgreg on June 29, 2013, 03:04:47 PM
So a sitar and rapping are in order then??  ;D
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Post by: an tha on June 29, 2013, 03:08:11 PM
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So a sitar and rapping are in order then??  ;D

It's all about the harp and the moog, man!
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Post by: The Unknown Caller on June 29, 2013, 06:01:32 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

Well obviously most people don't think that the songs we've heard are in fact "non edgy dull". :)
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Post by: The Exile on June 29, 2013, 06:09:50 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

Well obviously most people don't think that the songs we've heard are in fact "non edgy dull". :)

I'm just trying to figure out what "MOR" means.
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Post by: THRILLHO on June 29, 2013, 06:13:10 PM
None. But if i had to see any of them on there, i'd want EBW and Soon.
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Post by: JTBaby on June 29, 2013, 06:17:25 PM
MOR. Middle of the road. Boring dull rubbish That Grammy voters like.
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Post by: The Unknown Caller on June 29, 2013, 06:20:46 PM
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MOR. Middle of the road. Boring dull rubbish That Grammy voters like.

How bizarre to define your view of quality by what other people like or don't like.
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Post by: an tha on June 29, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
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MOR. Middle of the road. Boring dull rubbish That Grammy voters like.

Yeah thats about it - although the Grammy bit is a different slant on it.

For me middle of the road - is safe, unadventurous music, that lacks an edge.
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Post by: The Exile on June 29, 2013, 06:32:01 PM
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MOR. Middle of the road. Boring dull rubbish That Grammy voters like.

How bizarre to define your view of quality by what other people like or don't like.

I can't speak for JTB, but my guess is that he's simply noting the overlap of safe music and the kind of music that often wins Grammies. For my part, I would hope that Burton wouldn't put his name on anything that smacked of safety or a complete lack of edginess.

So the big question is how hard he pushed, and how much the band resisted.
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Post by: JTBaby on June 29, 2013, 06:38:20 PM
^

Exactly.

See Eric Clapton Unplugged beating Achtung Baby.

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Post by: Tumbling Dice on June 29, 2013, 06:39:25 PM
Eric Clapton's ace when he's plugged in to the mains.

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Post by: Tumbling Dice on June 29, 2013, 06:42:56 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.


I'm sorry but U2 can't get their youth back however much Bono may wear yellow pants. 

Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: an tha on June 29, 2013, 06:48:50 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.


I'm sorry but U2 can't get their youth back however much Bono may wear yellow pants.

I have no doubt you are right. No band/artist can. Hopefully they can at least create some music that has some fire in it again though - they have sounded like a band going through the motions all to often in the last decade
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Post by: Tumbling Dice on June 29, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.


I'm sorry but U2 can't get their youth back however much Bono may wear yellow pants.

I have no doubt you are right. No band/artist can. Hopefully they can at least create some music that has some fire in it again though - they have sounded like a band going through the motions all to often in the last decade


To a lot of fans they haven't.  Of course, the U2 of the 2000s are a different band to what they used to be but that is the nature of evolution. 

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Post by: an tha on June 29, 2013, 07:21:51 PM
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Seems to me that non edgy dull MOR U2 is the most popular U2 on this forum.

I want the band to rediscover their balls and challenge me again - Mercy, EBW and North Star aren't going to do that. My biggest fear with the new album is that the band continue on the path they have been on for the last ten years plus - maybe the old dog is just out of new tricks....

Watching Glastonbury coverage right now and seen a couple of bands ive never heard of who have that edge, that hunger, and sound urgent, fresh and innovative - thing is they arent 50 odd year old multi millionaires - when i compare that to EBW and Mercy its like comparing fat vegas elvis to the elvis who changed the game. U2 need to pull out something a lot better on every level to these 00's leftovers.


I'm sorry but U2 can't get their youth back however much Bono may wear yellow pants.

I have no doubt you are right. No band/artist can. Hopefully they can at least create some music that has some fire in it again though - they have sounded like a band going through the motions all to often in the last decade


To a lot of fans they haven't.  Of course, the U2 of the 2000s are a different band to what they used to be but that is the nature of evolution.

People are always going to see things differently - one man will prefer one thing, another something else.

For me their output in the 00's was mostly poor, especially coming after what I considered their best decade in terms of their music and live performances. It's all about opinions of course.

Time is a cruel mistress - its incredible to think that they went from recording songs like UTEOW, Acrobat, Ultra Violet, The Fly,  to Peace on Earth, When I look at the World, Wild Honey, Grace,... in the space of less than 10 years - and for me it's been downhill ever since, the odd moment aside.

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Post by: trevgreg on June 29, 2013, 08:50:23 PM
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So a sitar and rapping are in order then??  ;D

It's all about the harp and the moog, man!

Ha! I wouldn't doubt that a moog may have been used on a song in the past, but what do I know? ;)
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Post by: BalconyTV on June 30, 2013, 02:03:15 PM
So the last 10 years gets a very hard rap. The irony being that the Pop phase got a very hard rap. And even to a lot of U2 fans...Acthung Baby was hard to take. I've even spoke to some people who have said "I stopped liking them after War."

I definitly think All That You Cant Leave Behind gets far too hard a time now. I think it was a perfectly measured album at the time that was a necessary departure from the previous 10 years. Lets not forget the Million Dollar Hotel Album and Passengers. A lot of people said it was U2 getting back to its roots...but I could never see that. I did see it though as a band getting back to a more conventional song writing structure. But in that there was no harm. The band had alienated so many people with the direction they took. It wouldn't have bothered me if they had continued that direction. But simply put they would have become obscure. They took their experimentation pretty far. That album had some great songs no matter which was you look at it.

Now, HTDAAB went too far in the opposite direction and had some serious cheese on it. It was the first U2 album I heard blatant cheese on it. But the problem is with this band, is that even its cheesy moments can ring true to you. I find myself listening to that album again recently. Loud in your earphones. It aint bad at all.

And then we come to NLOTH, which was a definite departure in terms of sound. It scaled down the cheese.  And now people are like...eh that was rubbish. But I loved it. And gave an instant impression a strong review.

So the fact is, the band can never win right now. They have too broad a range of fans to satisfy everyone. They will disappoint as much as they please.

What do they want? I think they do want a couple of songs that everyone in the world loves. They didnt have that on the last album. I think thats what they mean when they say they want radio tunes. And one could say they are entitled to have that desire since the previous albums experimentation gave them none.

What do I want to hear? I don't even know anymore. They have done it all.

I would like some anger and serious attitude. But not in the sense of lets get countries together and spread peace and love.  ( I don't think the band are angry anymore. So they just cant fake that).

I want Bono vocally strong. I think he will be.

I want some amazing lyrics. Again there will be. There could be some duds. But Bonos lyrics always get me thinking.

The first ever song that I heard from U2 that made me think...they wrote this in their sleep was Walk On. I dont want to feel they went through the motions on anything.

And agreed, I dont want lots of silly lyrics cobbled together like GOYB, Vertigo and Elevation. Although let me stress...love all these tunes.

So we need to face it. We will love it. We will hate it. We will want more. And we wont get it for some time. So lets just embrace our indifference and take whats to come :-)
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Post by: an tha on June 30, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
Good post above - although cant agree about ATYCLB

Elevation is just horrible, wild honey dreadful, grace - dull, when i look at the world - dull, new york - urgh. Peace on earth is so bad it defies description i couldnt believe what i was hearing.

The rest is ok in a safe 'lets appeal to the 30 somethings who didnt get pop'  way As well as the conservative american radio rock stations.

Kite the stand out track.

What i want from u2 is some balls, attitude, aggression and fire, with some kinetic sounds that use more heavy sounds than they have for the last decade and darker themes- getting that from 50 odd year old multi millionaires might be asking too much though.



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Post by: eddyjedi on June 30, 2013, 02:23:06 PM
I just want to press repeat. Gimme some great hooks if you have great hooks your halfway there
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Post by: Tumbling Dice on June 30, 2013, 02:29:45 PM
I reckon we should leave U2's creative process to the artists.

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Post by: trevgreg on June 30, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
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So the fact is, the band can never win right now. They have too broad a range of fans to satisfy everyone. They will disappoint as much as they please.

.....

So we need to face it. We will love it. We will hate it. We will want more. And we wont get it for some time. So lets just embrace our indifference and take whats to come :-)

All this times 1,000.
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Post by: The Edges Cat on June 30, 2013, 09:07:38 PM
There won't be old songs played by new guys, but there will be new songs played by old guys.
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Post by: codeguy on July 02, 2013, 10:23:15 AM
I, for one, am not ashamed of the last decade, though I concede that it lacked an overall artistic direction. It still produced great music. I love walk on, elevation, saints, electrical storm, cobl, vertigo, MOS, kite,  being born. I do think they are dreaming it all up again, and I think they made the mistake of not changing production teams earlier. However the talent is still there. The drive is there. I believe in it
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Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 02, 2013, 10:29:23 AM
I hope they dream their live shows up all over again, too.

Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: codeguy on July 02, 2013, 03:30:41 PM
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I hope they dream their live shows up all over again, too.



TD, for once we agree on something. I loved the sheer hugeness of 360, and I don't think there is any merit in being a niche act, but it felt like it was one level away from being a greatest hits grand finale of an aging act.

I would like to see something smaller, perhaps in the round again, but with more of a focus on a presentation theme (a-la Zoo TV), an Altar Ego, or something completely new that I had never thought of.  Dazzle me, U2! Dazzle me!!
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Post by: an tha on July 02, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

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Post by: eddyjedi on July 02, 2013, 04:03:29 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it. And the great thing about the 360 set up was it allowed so many more people to get up close and personal with the band in the inner circle. That was a great feature. Over 75% of the gigs I attended I managed to do this and I was very thankful to see my favourite band at such a close proximity, the looks on peoples faces around me only compounded that viewpoint.

U2 are great at incorporating their aims into the design for a tour. When 360 worked it really worked. Watch the rose bowl dvd and tell me it wasn't amazing to watch. From the catwalked featuring until the end of the world to Bono atop speakers on Streets to the milky way finale. 360 was a great feat and something they can look back on and be extremely proud of.
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Post by: an tha on July 02, 2013, 04:08:07 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it. And the great thing about the 360 set up was it allowed so many more people to get up close and personal with the band in the inner circle. That was a great feature. Over 75% of the gigs I attended I managed to do this and I was very thankful to see my favourite band at such a close proximity, the looks on peoples faces around me only compounded that viewpoint.

U2 are great at incorporating their aims into the design for a tour. When 360 worked it really worked. Watch the rose bowl dvd and tell me it wasn't amazing to watch. From the catwalked featuring until the end of the world to Bono atop speakers on Streets to the milky way finale. 360 was a great feat and something they can look back on and be extremely proud of.

It's all about opinions, for me it didn't work it just didn't engage enough and the Rosebowl DVD is IMO a horrible show, with a horrible crowd and a very average U2 performance.

I attended 3 360 shows including the opening night at Croke Park, and I was underwhelmed with them.
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Post by: eddyjedi on July 02, 2013, 04:10:40 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it. And the great thing about the 360 set up was it allowed so many more people to get up close and personal with the band in the inner circle. That was a great feature. Over 75% of the gigs I attended I managed to do this and I was very thankful to see my favourite band at such a close proximity, the looks on peoples faces around me only compounded that viewpoint.

U2 are great at incorporating their aims into the design for a tour. When 360 worked it really worked. Watch the rose bowl dvd and tell me it wasn't amazing to watch. From the catwalked featuring until the end of the world to Bono atop speakers on Streets to the milky way finale. 360 was a great feat and something they can look back on and be extremely proud of.

It's all about opinions, for me it didn't work it just didn't engage enough and the Rosebowl DVD is IMO a horrible show, with a horrible crowd and a very average U2 performance.

I attended 3 360 shows including the opening night at Croke Park, and I was underwhelmed with them.

I guess there's no pleasing some people. I attended 5 shows and loved all of them, Wembley 2 and Rome were the highlights. You'll miss them when they are gone :)
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Post by: an tha on July 02, 2013, 04:18:40 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it. And the great thing about the 360 set up was it allowed so many more people to get up close and personal with the band in the inner circle. That was a great feature. Over 75% of the gigs I attended I managed to do this and I was very thankful to see my favourite band at such a close proximity, the looks on peoples faces around me only compounded that viewpoint.

U2 are great at incorporating their aims into the design for a tour. When 360 worked it really worked. Watch the rose bowl dvd and tell me it wasn't amazing to watch. From the catwalked featuring until the end of the world to Bono atop speakers on Streets to the milky way finale. 360 was a great feat and something they can look back on and be extremely proud of.

It's all about opinions, for me it didn't work it just didn't engage enough and the Rosebowl DVD is IMO a horrible show, with a horrible crowd and a very average U2 performance.

I attended 3 360 shows including the opening night at Croke Park, and I was underwhelmed with them.

I guess there's no pleasing some people. I attended 5 shows and loved all of them, Wembley 2 and Rome were the highlights. You'll miss them when they are gone :)

Different srokes and all that.... I love the band, but I have found it harder to keep loving them since the release of ATYCLB and what has followed it, I remember putting ATYCLB on the first time and for the first time since I fell in love with the bands music I sat there thinking "Oh, no what is this" I played the album over and over again for weeks hoping  for it to grow on me, for it to draw me in - it didn't.... HTDAAB was no better, and NLOTH just confused me, it didn't know what it was meant to be IMO....When they nail it, on record or live, they are still a sight (or sound) to behold, but for me they just haven't done it enough since then. I am hoping they engage me again the way they used to.

I will say though that I went to see them at Cardiff on the Vertigo tour and that was one of those nights where they had "lift off" and it the love affair was rekindled. But 360 for me was a real downer. Let's see whats next - I still believe they have greatness in them, but they need to take chances again and stop playing it safe.
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Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 02, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it.

Who was it that designed LAX's air traffic control tower?

Title: Re: Old songs on the new album?
Post by: ABloodRedSky on July 02, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
I said none of the above. I think EBW and Soon are nice enough, but I want all new songs. It's been four years, dammit!  :D
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Post by: THRILLHO on July 02, 2013, 04:25:04 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it. And the great thing about the 360 set up was it allowed so many more people to get up close and personal with the band in the inner circle. That was a great feature. Over 75% of the gigs I attended I managed to do this and I was very thankful to see my favourite band at such a close proximity, the looks on peoples faces around me only compounded that viewpoint.

U2 are great at incorporating their aims into the design for a tour. When 360 worked it really worked. Watch the rose bowl dvd and tell me it wasn't amazing to watch. From the catwalked featuring until the end of the world to Bono atop speakers on Streets to the milky way finale. 360 was a great feat and something they can look back on and be extremely proud of.

It's all about opinions, for me it didn't work it just didn't engage enough and the Rosebowl DVD is IMO a horrible show, with a horrible crowd and a very average U2 performance.

I attended 3 360 shows including the opening night at Croke Park, and I was underwhelmed with them.

Yea i agree with you. It was a weak ugly set up with alot of phoned-in performances.
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Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 02, 2013, 04:28:37 PM
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I said none of the above. I think EBW and Soon are nice enough, but I want all new songs. It's been four years, dammit!  :D

EBW in it's finished recorded state would be a new song. 

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Post by: JTBaby on July 02, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
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The 360 stage just didn't work for starters - If you were close to it there was nothing visual to look at really to compliment the performance as with the screen being so high up and directly above the band it wasn't easy to look at /see  - just 4 small figures on the stage.

If you were further from the stage or up in the seats the structure was just so big it dwarfed the band.

Add in lacklustre "phoned in performances" and for me it was their worst stadium presentation.

The size of the thing and how much floor space it took up and the bands insistence on this inner circle thing which creates a break in the throng on the pitch and also breaks up the sheer volume of people on the floor with its seperate gates extra barriers etc was a problem and for me dilutes the atmosphere.

I would much rather see a return to the one mass of humanity on the pitch if they play stadiums again like there was for Zoo and Popmart.

It's a genius design, no doubt about it. And the great thing about the 360 set up was it allowed so many more people to get up close and personal with the band in the inner circle. That was a great feature. Over 75% of the gigs I attended I managed to do this and I was very thankful to see my favourite band at such a close proximity, the looks on peoples faces around me only compounded that viewpoint.

U2 are great at incorporating their aims into the design for a tour. When 360 worked it really worked. Watch the rose bowl dvd and tell me it wasn't amazing to watch. From the catwalked featuring until the end of the world to Bono atop speakers on Streets to the milky way finale. 360 was a great feat and something they can look back on and be extremely proud of.

Not only did i buy and watch the Rose Bowl DVD, I was there.

It was by far the worst U2 show I have ever seen, (I've seen >50 shows total, every tour except lovetown) and was a total waste of the blu-ray format.
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Post by: Swimming Sorrows on July 03, 2013, 08:53:07 AM
Just EBW as it is probably the highest quality of the lot. I'm also curious to hear a studio version.

It's time to let Mercy and North Star go. For fans of HTDAAB or to just end an era it would be nice to get them on a fan club release however. 
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Post by: Droo on July 07, 2013, 01:21:59 PM
Middle of the road is in the ear of the listener, I think. What some have defined as dull such as Grace is to me a beautiful, emotionally stirring song. And, contrary to the popular opinion, I consider The Joshua Tree to be mostly dull and forgettable.

U2 tried to please everybody with NLOTH by throwing rockers (Stand Up Comedy, Breathe, No Line On The Horizon), ballads (Moment of Surrender, White As Snow), wild experimentation (Fez - Being Born,  Cedars of Lebanon) and grasps at pop radio (Magnificent, Boots, Crazy Tonight) all together on one disc. And it still didn't do the trick. They need to stop worrying about how people are going to react and trying to please everybody and just make what they want to make.
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Post by: trevgreg on July 07, 2013, 02:30:48 PM
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U2 tried to please everybody with NLOTH by throwing rockers (Stand Up Comedy, Breathe, No Line On The Horizon), ballads (Moment of Surrender, White As Snow), wild experimentation (Fez - Being Born,  Cedars of Lebanon) and grasps at pop radio (Magnificent, Boots, Crazy Tonight) all together on one disc. And it still didn't do the trick. They need to stop worrying about how people are going to react and trying to please everybody and just make what they want to make.

The question becomes whether or not they do want to "trap" themselves to one type of music though. Who's to say that all their music would sound the same or ambient and experimental if they made what they supposedly wanted to? Maybe they want some songs with big riffs and choruses, or rockers mixed with atmospheric sounds. It doesn't mean they want everything to sound like Fez or Cedars in the end.
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Post by: eddyjedi on July 07, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
I think if NLOTH had All my life on it it might have been U2's best album. All it needed was a big hit single, let's be honest. Jettison Boots and it would be a great great album.
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Post by: Starman on July 07, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
The Rose Bowl show really is a mess, both the show itself and the video. Adding in stupid animated parts and the rapid editing is the cherry on top of the pile of crap.

I was hoping that another (better) 360 show would be shot and filmed, because the Rose Bowl gig is not how the tour should be remembered.
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Post by: THRILLHO on July 07, 2013, 06:14:34 PM
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The Rose Bowl show really is a mess, both the show itself and the video. Adding in stupid animated parts and the rapid editing is the cherry on top of the pile of crap.

I was hoping that another (better) 360 show would be shot and filmed, because the Rose Bowl gig is not how the tour should be remembered.

and seeing as the previous 2 tours had multiple releases on DVD and this, the biggest tour in the history of tours, only got one sub par show on DVD/Blu-Ray is just odd.
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Post by: an tha on July 07, 2013, 06:20:52 PM
U2 should start releasing shows from europe or south america more as the main release from tours

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Post by: trevgreg on July 07, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
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U2 should start releasing shows from europe or south america more as the main release from tours

Now that you mention it...

ZooTV - Sydney
PopMart - Mexico City
Elevation - Boston/Slane Castle
Vertigo - Chicago
360 - Pasadena (i.e., Los Angeles metro area)

I suppose some new places in mainland Europe or Latin America could be interesting. I'm sort of shocked that they never released a London or New York show either, considering their previous attachment to those cities.

Haven't the audio releases from the band sort of skewed towards a lot of those types of countries though? The deluxe version of U218 Singles on itunes had a show from Milan, and I thought that a lot of the U22 tracks tended to come from those sorts of places too.
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Post by: codeguy on July 07, 2013, 11:59:27 PM
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U2 should start releasing shows from europe or south america more as the main release from tours
Latin America is already represented with popmart Mexico and Vertigo 3D Argentina. Europe is represented badly, but having been to U2 concerts in Europe, I can say the audiences are not as good as north or South America. Of course the Irish audience is best...

Now that you mention it...

ZooTV - Sydney
PopMart - Mexico City
Elevation - Boston/Slane Castle
Vertigo - Chicago
360 - Pasadena (i.e., Los Angeles metro area)

I suppose some new places in mainland Europe or Latin America could be interesting. I'm sort of shocked that they never released a London or New York show either, considering their previous attachment to those cities.

Haven't the audio releases from the band sort of skewed towards a lot of those types of countries though? The deluxe version of U218 Singles on itunes had a show from Milan, and I thought that a lot of the U22 tracks tended to come from those sorts of places too.
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Post by: Starman on July 08, 2013, 12:30:39 PM
I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn
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Post by: TheU2Ken on July 08, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn
or Ken's backyard
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Post by: Starman on July 08, 2013, 12:47:22 PM

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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn
or Ken's backyard

Seems legit
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Post by: _acrobat on July 08, 2013, 12:54:09 PM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn
or Ken's backyard

We're all invited right?
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Post by: TheU2Ken on July 08, 2013, 12:55:26 PM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn
or Ken's backyard

We're all invited right?
there must be a report written on how awesome I am
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Post by: The Exile on July 09, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn

My guess is either France or Paris.
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Post by: Peter Parker on July 09, 2013, 03:41:31 AM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn


My guess is either France or Paris.
Haha! Funny!
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Post by: DGordon1 on July 09, 2013, 06:17:27 AM
I hope it will be shot somewhere in South America - American U2 crowds are too reserved for my liking.
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Post by: striker on July 09, 2013, 07:53:23 AM
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I hope it will be shot somewhere in South America - American U2 crowds are too reserved for my liking.
Agreed.
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Post by: Droo on July 09, 2013, 10:41:36 AM
I'd like to see a Canadian concert tour, but South America would be amazing. Such enthusiastic audiences.
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Post by: horizon on July 09, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
They'll film a DVD in Asia.
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Post by: Starman on July 09, 2013, 11:56:31 PM

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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn

My guess is either France or Paris.

Ha, I see what you did there. But Brooklyn has its own arena now (Barclays Center) and then there's Madison Square Garden. That's what I meant. :P
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Post by: The Exile on July 09, 2013, 11:59:40 PM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn

My guess is either France or Paris.

Ha, I see what you did there. But Brooklyn has its own arena now (Barclays Center) and then there's Madison Square Garden. That's what I meant. :P

Ha ha, I knew there had to be some explanation. But when I see an opening, I pounce.
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Post by: Starman on July 10, 2013, 10:31:09 PM

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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn

My guess is either France or Paris.

Ha, I see what you did there. But Brooklyn has its own arena now (Barclays Center) and then there's Madison Square Garden. That's what I meant. :P

Ha ha, I knew there had to be some explanation. But when I see an opening, I pounce.

Hey, I don't blame you. It is the Internet, after all.
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Post by: surit87 on July 15, 2013, 12:14:20 AM
They should film a concert in Poland. The Polish are crazy about 'New Year's Day'.
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Post by: Mozz on July 15, 2013, 10:53:33 AM
Just an aside, I was watching  "It Might Get Loud" again recently, and just noticed around the 6:30 mark into it, Edge plays some chords with a heavy reverb effect (to sound like strings like in Magnificent). The interesting thing was that it's the chords for Every Breaking Wave.
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Post by: DKT on July 15, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
I'd really love to have a released version of Every Breaking Wave one day...
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Post by: wrldchamps04 on July 22, 2013, 12:48:37 PM
I'm torn...I voted for 3 old songs...BUT if they DID put them in, I'll feel "ripped off" because I've heard them already! HA!!
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Post by: J_Rock321 on July 22, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
I really don't think EBW is going to be on the next album because that's was on songs of ascent project could it be on the new sure but I doubt it. North star (demo) was produce by red one so I doubt that's going to be on the album but unless danger mouse could fit it in the album concept. Larry said Glastonbury and stringray were rewritten so those could be contenders on the new album. For the rest of the material I highly doubt they are going to be on the album because they seem way too u2 rather than 50-U2 50-different (whatever that is to them).
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Post by: Droo on July 22, 2013, 03:04:43 PM
Yeah, Songs of Ascent was supposed to be Every Breaking Wave's home, but Zooropa was supposed to be the home for Velvet Dress, HMTMKMKM, and Wake Up Dead Man, and those saw eventual release. We also know Pop was the original genesis for City Of Blinding Lights. Always became Beautiful Day, Lady With The Spinning Head became The Fly and Ultraviolet.

We have no way of knowing just how many "old" songs were revisited or even simply included on future releases. U2 did something special by previewing a couple of them and now people complain they're not "new" enough.

I'd much rather an "old" song with the lyrical quality of Every Breaking Wave make the cut instead of something "new" that also has the low level of quality of an Unknown Caller.
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Post by: The Exile on July 22, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
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Yeah, Songs of Ascent was supposed to be Every Breaking Wave's home....

What people forget is that EBW's original home was NLOTH. The earliest reports on the album included descriptions of EBW, which means there has been a finished version of the song since 2008.
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Post by: miami on July 23, 2013, 11:53:17 AM
for my tuppence worth; i'd rather hear an album of completely new material. at a push, i wouldn't mind hearing a completed version of every breaking wave, but that would be all. What i'm looking forward to most though is the influence of dangermouse. It seems like we are entering into completely uncharted waters here and i for one can't wait to hear the results. whether the album is good or bad, i applaud them for at least changing their approach to writing new music. I have a feeling it's going to be groundbreaking as far as u2 are concerned. 
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Post by: Allie79 on August 04, 2013, 04:49:38 PM
None. I think Every Breaking Wave, North Star and Mercy are all nice songs, but not great songs, I think they are very average. They don't really do anything for me, but that's my opinion. I liked Glastonbury, but since it was written for their performance at Glastonbury it would be hard to fit it into the theme of the new album. The same with Stingray, I loved it, I saw it in Frankfurt and it rocked. But it's an intro and it will need a lot of work to change it into a full song. And Soon.. I like it, very atmospheric and U2 really should have used it on NLOTH, it would have fit perfectly on that album. So long story short, no I don't think any of these songs should be on the new album.
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Post by: emalvick on August 14, 2013, 01:33:33 PM
My guess is that a lot of the old songs will end up in deluxe editions down the road just as many other songs have in the older deluxe editions.   

As for the quality of U2 and lack of experimentation; I don't think there is anything different going on than in almost any other group of their duration.  I was trying to think of any other successful group of 30+ years in business and U2's stature that has come up with some fantastic release at this stage in a career.  Many come up with popular releases, but rarely are they a departure.  30+ years of success don't make for a lot of inspiration, and it really can seem like such a band has covered all its ground. 

I won't say its impossible for U2 to come up with something fantastic, but it doesn't seem likely. 

Looking at it from another perspective as a fan of music and someone who likes to hear new things...  30+ years of listening to one band, means that we get used to everything.  We often need fresh new bands to satisfy our urge for something new and experimental.  The same band, no matter how much they change up things, starts to sound the same no matter how the releases evolve from one band.   U2 went so outside their box in the 90's, that it is going to be tough for them to do anything that exceeds that box.  Changing producer, while welcome, will not necessarily change the underlying music. 

Anyway, I'll always look forward to what U2 releases and hope that all the songs listed eventually see a release just not necessarily on the next album.
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Post by: Miami66 on August 14, 2013, 05:46:22 PM
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I'm calling it right now, the next tour's DVD will be filmed in New York or Brooklyn

My guess is either France or Paris.

Ha, I see what you did there. But Brooklyn has its own arena now (Barclays Center) and then there's Madison Square Garden. That's what I meant. :P

Well Done Star :)
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Post by: jick on August 25, 2013, 12:46:03 AM
U2 have a history of holding on to songs for long periods.
Wake Up Dead Man was from Achtung Sessions and came up in POP which was 7 years later.  Velvet Dress and Hold Me Thrill me were from Zooropa but released a few years later.  Mercy has been around since Bomb but was recently released live and no studio version out yet.  So I am guessing the new album won't have "old" songs but "previously unreleased" songs in studio version.  Here is a possible tracklist:

1. Return Of The Stingray Guitar
2. North Star
3. Every Breaking Wave
4. Glastonbury
5. Boy Falls From The Sky (U2 Version)
6. Mercy
7. This Is (Aslan cover)
8. a new song that will be their lead single
9 & 10. some filler songs

Cheers,

J
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Post by: The Exile on August 25, 2013, 12:56:16 AM
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1. Return Of The Stingray Guitar
2. North Star
3. Every Breaking Wave
4. Glastonbury
5. Boy Falls From The Sky (U2 Version)
6. Mercy
7. This Is (Aslan cover)
8. a new song that will be their lead single
9 & 10. some filler songs


If this is the tracklist, I will set myself on fire.
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Post by: DGordon1 on August 25, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
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Here is a possible tracklist:

1. Return Of The Stingray Guitar
2. North Star
3. Every Breaking Wave
4. Glastonbury
5. Boy Falls From The Sky (U2 Version)
6. Mercy
7. This Is (Aslan cover)
8. a new song that will be their lead single
9 & 10. some filler songs

Cheers,

J

Oh yes Jick, very plausible indeed.
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Post by: horizon on August 25, 2013, 03:46:58 PM

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U2 have a history of holding on to songs for long periods.
Wake Up Dead Man was from Achtung Sessions and came up in POP which was 7 years later.  Velvet Dress and Hold Me Thrill me were from Zooropa but released a few years later.  Mercy has been around since Bomb but was recently released live and no studio version out yet.  So I am guessing the new album won't have "old" songs but "previously unreleased" songs in studio version.  Here is a possible tracklist:

1. Return Of The Stingray Guitar
2. North Star
3. Every Breaking Wave
4. Glastonbury
5. Boy Falls From The Sky (U2 Version)
6. Mercy
7. This Is (Aslan cover)
8. a new song that will be their lead single
9 & 10. some filler songs

Cheers,

J
Why in the hell would they put a cover on an album. Silly idea. Same with BFFTS.
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Post by: an tha on August 25, 2013, 04:03:14 PM
If the album looks anything like that I will listen to I'll go crazy if i dont go crazy tonight continuously for a week
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Post by: imaginary friend on August 25, 2013, 04:39:12 PM
Of the 8 songs on this album, no less than 3 of them were "old songs" that had been performed live on the previous tour:

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...it's safe to say they didn't hurt. At all.
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Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 25, 2013, 06:16:08 PM
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Of the 8 songs on this album, no less than 3 of them were "old songs" that had been performed live on the previous tour:

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...it's safe to say they didn't hurt. At all.

Five of the songs from House of the Holy had been performed live on tour before the album was released.

And seven of the songs from Prince's 'Gold Experience' album had been performed live on tour before the album was released.

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Post by: trevgreg on August 25, 2013, 09:03:12 PM
Another example.... one of the singles off of Noel Gallagher's solo album was soundchecked at Oasis gigs before their break-up. The album came out two years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NMUDb3Ewhs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NMUDb3Ewhs)
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Post by: an tha on August 26, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
Having 'old' songs on the album isnt so much an issue - the issue for me is how good the songs are - and the songs named above just aren't up to much IMO

They could of course be very different by the time they appear (if they appear) to what we know them as - but for me you cant polish a turd (or half a dozen or so)
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Post by: THRILLHO on August 26, 2013, 02:21:45 PM
i wouldn't be surprised if EBW or NS make it to the album. Mercy i kind of would be. Yea, lots of bands soundcheck/preform new songs on tour. Especially Oasis.
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Post by: DKT on January 24, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
So, yeah, threadomancy. Hope nobody minds!

But I was listening to Winter a bunch this morning. And I'd love to hear (at least) EBW in some finalized form. But I'd also like 11-12 new songs.

Would it be so awful if they put out a follow-up album (you know, like Songs of Ascent was supposed to be) with a lot of these lost songs on it? Or would that still feel like too much of a retread?
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Post by: U2runnr on January 24, 2014, 01:44:55 PM
I would love it if they ended up releasing them in some way at some point!
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Post by: rexstardust on January 24, 2014, 02:10:18 PM
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I would love it if they ended up releasing them in some way at some point!
Songs of Ascent will be on the 20th anniversary NLOTH deluxe edition (which will still be released before U2's follow-up to the one coming out this March/April/May/June).   
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Post by: bass slap on January 24, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
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Having 'old' songs on the album isnt so much an issue - the issue for me is how good the songs are - and the songs named above just aren't up to much IMO

They could of course be very different by the time they appear (if they appear) to what we know them as - but for me you cant polish a turd (or half a dozen or so)


+1

Hope they ditch them. Essentially the songs of ascent album that did not happen.old news now, let's move on from that
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Post by: EnduringChill on January 24, 2014, 03:23:43 PM
I guess I missed this poll the first time around. I say North Star, EBW, and Soon.
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Post by: Wtn24 on January 24, 2014, 06:50:33 PM
I am a huge fan of "Always"
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Post by: Droo on January 24, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
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I am a huge fan of "Always"

Will never be on an album, as it was obviously later released as Beautiful Day.
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Post by: miami on January 25, 2014, 07:34:14 AM
I would hope none of them make it. We've heard them all before, and it would be just plain lazy if they included any of them. I want this album to be a complete surprise to me and blow me away. None of the songs above would excite me in any way.
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Post by: Bundang Dave on January 25, 2014, 07:41:37 AM
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I would hope none of them make it. We've heard them all before, and it would be just plain lazy if they included any of them. I want this album to be a complete surprise to me and blow me away. None of the songs above would excite me in any way.

For me, it would depend on what they've done to these songs. For most of them, I've only heard what amounted to live sketches of the songs.

I don't think we'll see Soon on the album as it was already released in a complete form. Mercy was also released in a really odd mix of live and studio forms. I still wouldn't mind seeing this song released if it's even further tweaked to rid it of cliche.

The two I'd most like to see on the album are Stingray and Glastonbury, though both in much evolved forms with lyrics and different (i.e., non-Glastonbury related) lyrics. I like the guitar sounds I heard on both of these songs and would like the band to go more in that direction.
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Post by: PowerSurge on January 25, 2014, 09:06:19 AM
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I would hope none of them make it. We've heard them all before, and it would be just plain lazy if they included any of them. I want this album to be a complete surprise to me and blow me away. None of the songs above would excite me in any way.

I'm not sure how it would necessarily be "just plain lazy" for any of these songs to be included in the new album considering the fact that most of them were only played live in concert a couple of times and in some cases like EBW and North Star they were stripped down. How can anyone get a really good take on a work in progress when its that stripped down?

Other than EBW I personally wouldn't want to hear any of these songs on the album because I think they are weak. Most of them should be B-sides in my honest opinion, but thats just me. Maybe I hold them to a higher standard when it comes to the quality of their music. Silly me, right? :)
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Post by: Wtn24 on January 25, 2014, 09:23:19 AM
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I am a huge fan of "Always"

Will never be on an album, as it was obviously later released as Beautiful Day.

Obviously. But that is a song I would have liked to see on an actual album. My beautiful day single doesn't count
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Post by: The Slow Loris on January 25, 2014, 09:23:56 AM
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I would hope none of them make it. We've heard them all before, and it would be just plain lazy if they included any of them. I want this album to be a complete surprise to me and blow me away. None of the songs above would excite me in any way.

I'm not sure how it would necessarily be "just plain lazy" for any of these songs to be included in the new album considering the fact that most of them were only played live in concert a couple of times and in some cases like EBW and North Star they were stripped down. How can anyone get a really good take on a work in progress when its that stripped down?

Other than EBW I personally wouldn't want to hear any of these songs on the album because I think they are weak. Most of them should be B-sides in my honest opinion, but thats just me. Maybe I hold them to a higher standard when it comes to the quality of their music. Silly me, right? :)

I agree with you that most of the songs listed are indeed weak for album material. And despite 'Every Breaking Wave' having some great lyrics, it definitely also has some weak moments that need to be flushed out (ie, the part that begins with "Hey now....I don't know if I'm that strong [repeated three times]" definitely needs to be altered). Ironically, the original version of 'Mercy' is far superior than the newer version they played in concert....sometimes they had it right the first time, sometimes not.
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Post by: A_Fly_On_The_Wall on January 25, 2014, 09:32:47 AM
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The two I'd most like to see on the album are Stingray and Glastonbury, though both in much evolved forms with lyrics and different (i.e., non-Glastonbury related) lyrics. I like the guitar sounds I heard on both of these songs and would like the band to go more in that direction.

I agree with this.

Both songs mentioned sounded great live and had that old school U2 feel to them. I'd be interested to see what they've done with either of these songs.

Personally, I'd love to hear North Star on the new album. I think it is one of the loveliest songs I've heard for a long time and I'd be interested to see what U2 could have done to it in the studio.
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Post by: Boom Cha! on January 25, 2014, 04:30:55 PM
It would've been great if they released all of these songs as an EP towards the end of the 360 tour.

Anyways, I'm sure we'll see a couple of these songs in a tweaked form for the new album.
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Post by: shanep on January 25, 2014, 05:09:29 PM
I voted none of them. They should have went in during the 360 tour on their days off, polished them off, and released them as a tour bonus disc EP called Leftovers on the Horizon. Because that's essentially what I think of them….good songs, but B side quality. The more they tweak the more they make things worse sometimes.
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Post by: andrei on January 25, 2014, 05:29:30 PM
None of these songs will be on the new album although a couple of them may show up as bonus tracks of some description
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Post by: codeguy on January 25, 2014, 08:52:17 PM
Still going for two albums. First one brand new and second one a combination of new stuff and stuff we have heard live
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Post by: Waiting for this moment on January 26, 2014, 07:22:03 AM
I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3
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Post by: bass slap on January 26, 2014, 08:27:18 AM
Verses are class but sound very familiar..
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Post by: OnlyU2 on January 26, 2014, 09:20:56 AM
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Still going for two albums. First one brand new and second one a combination of new stuff and stuff we have heard live

This
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Post by: Miami66 on January 26, 2014, 10:36:43 AM
I hope someday we get the Rubin Album (or even EP) and Songs of Ascent (or EP).
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Post by: eddyjedi on January 26, 2014, 11:34:15 AM
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3

Is this all my life? Tremendous song
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Post by: GFY on January 26, 2014, 11:40:54 AM
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3

Is this all my life? Tremendous song

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.
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Post by: crank on January 26, 2014, 11:52:11 AM
I just don't understand why they didn't release the Rubin sessions, it's a throwback to the R&H era with a bit of ATYCLB thrown in... so odd.
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Post by: feedback on January 26, 2014, 12:19:57 PM
This one song puts the both R & H and ATYCLB albums to shame.
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Post by: Swan269 on January 26, 2014, 12:44:46 PM
i would like to hear everybreaking wave other than its stripped down version.  i love the lyric.
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Post by: eddyjedi on January 26, 2014, 06:11:46 PM
I will be so annoyed if this song never gets released. It is easily their best chorus, solo and so damn magical that I can't fathom why it's never materialised? I hope it's on the album, it's such an out of this world recording the cheering and applause speak volumes
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3

Is this all my life? Tremendous song

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.

First time I had heard that one.  TONS of potential there and would be fantastic live!
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Post by: Bantering ram on January 27, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3

Is this all my life? Tremendous song

That's the first time I've heard this too...what a tune!!! I hope the sessions haven't been shelved indefinitely!

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.
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Post by: Dream-Out-loud on January 27, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
Sing yourself with fife and drum
Sing yourself to overcome
The thought that someone has lost
And someone else has won

Soon
Soon, soon
Soon, soon
Soon, soon
God their B sides are some gems though. Think if how many 'throw away' songs they must have in their catalogue. The two minute song that is 'Soon' beats at least three songs on No Line in my opinion. And Winter too.
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Post by: eddyjedi on January 27, 2014, 08:50:47 AM
Soon is immense, why's it not on the album? Who cares if it's 2 minutes. Best 2 minutes in the last 10 years probably.
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Post by: Dream-Out-loud on January 27, 2014, 09:13:55 AM
That and Moment of Surrender. U2 still have the power to make magic. They just need to stop re-doing songs and have more faith in themselves. Mercy was magic and they ruined it by trying to change it.
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Post by: EnduringChill on January 27, 2014, 09:22:00 AM
I think they should expand on Soon and turn it into a fully-finished song, then release it. I love it.
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Post by: codeguy on January 27, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
I'd love to see a patchwork album of all their unused gems, woven into a life story somehow. This would eliminate the fear that the songs 'don't fit together' because they would be meant to be an eclectic collection of "through the years" outtakes. My suggested tracklist is:

Wild Irish Rose
All my life
Mercy
Soon
Lady with the spinning head
Levitate
Wave of sorrow
EBW
etc.....
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Post by: PowerSurge on January 27, 2014, 07:40:58 PM
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3

Is this all my life? Tremendous song

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.

First time I had heard that one.  TONS of potential there and would be fantastic live!

I've literally listened to it about 20 times and it keeps getting better each time for me. The one thing that I can't get past is whether or not its a song that is good enough to be on an album or if it would be better suited as a fantastic B-side.

I read a quote from one of the boys that mentioned how they had moved past some of the earlier finished songs that they had worked on during prior studio sessions. I wonder if this song was one of them or if they resurrected it during the latest sessions. Lanois did mention that he listened to the newer work and referenced some of the songs were familiar because he had worked on them with the band before...so who the hell knows anymore???
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Post by: boomchild on January 27, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Glastonbury is such an incredibly well written gutsy song, maybe the subject matter was too in your face but the song itself was amazing.
What a vocal..and I loved the guitar work and rhythm section. Such a waste.

North Star grew on me the more I listened to it. A superbly written and performed song.

Soon is like nothing I've heard before or after. U2 at its creative best.

Return of the stingray guitar fits perfectly in amongst these songs as a groovy instrumental when instrumentals are hardly heard.
Very very cool.

If these fours songs were on any album I would be happy and I would thrash them to kingdom come.





 
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Post by: PowerSurge on January 27, 2014, 09:18:20 PM
Is there a full band version of Glastonbury out there on youtube? I will have to check again because for some reason I can't seem to remember this song at all. Maybe I just bypassed it but I don't remember if I've heard it before.
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Post by: Rodney T-M on January 27, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
They played it live a few times.
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Post by: Smithy on January 27, 2014, 10:31:42 PM
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3
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Is this all my life? Tremendous song

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.

First time I had heard that one.  TONS of potential there and would be fantastic live!

I've literally listened to it about 20 times and it keeps getting better each time for me. The one thing that I can't get past is whether or not its a song that is good enough to be on an album or if it would be better suited as a fantastic B-side.

I read a quote from one of the boys that mentioned how they had moved past some of the earlier finished songs that they had worked on during prior studio sessions. I wonder if this song was one of them or if they resurrected it during the latest sessions. Lanois did mention that he listened to the newer work and referenced some of the songs were familiar because he had worked on them with the band before...so who the hell knows anymore???

Well I was just reading this article http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2-in-their-own-words-20090313
which is an interview with the boys that took place during their promotion of NLOTH and it seems they are very keen to get back to those sessions and recordings at some point. They said that the problem was Rick was focused on getting the song 'finished' whilst the band wanted to push it much further, and I'd say after a 5 year wait they have probably have done a lot of 'pushing' so who knows, it is likely that we may see 'All My Life' again and I will be very happy to hear it in its all its glory!
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Post by: singnomore on January 27, 2014, 11:08:01 PM

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Is there a full band version of Glastonbury out there on youtube? I will have to check again because for some reason I can't seem to remember this song at all. Maybe I just bypassed it but I don't remember if I've heard it before.

Look for Turin 360 Tour - they debuted that song there I'm pretty sure
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3
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Is this all my life? Tremendous song

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.

First time I had heard that one.  TONS of potential there and would be fantastic live!

I've literally listened to it about 20 times and it keeps getting better each time for me. The one thing that I can't get past is whether or not its a song that is good enough to be on an album or if it would be better suited as a fantastic B-side.

I read a quote from one of the boys that mentioned how they had moved past some of the earlier finished songs that they had worked on during prior studio sessions. I wonder if this song was one of them or if they resurrected it during the latest sessions. Lanois did mention that he listened to the newer work and referenced some of the songs were familiar because he had worked on them with the band before...so who the hell knows anymore???

Well I was just reading this article http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2-in-their-own-words-20090313
which is an interview with the boys that took place during their promotion of NLOTH and it seems they are very keen to get back to those sessions and recordings at some point. They said that the problem was Rick was focused on getting the song 'finished' whilst the band wanted to push it much further, and I'd say after a 5 year wait they have probably have done a lot of 'pushing' so who knows, it is likely that we may see 'All My Life' again and I will be very happy to hear it in its all its glory!

It fascinates me how they just couldn't jive with such a prominent and influential producer like Rubin. I want to hear more details of what happened. It baffles me that they couldn't make it work. Hopefully they do return to those songs and end up releasing them at some point. You have got to think that their window of opportunity is closing so if they have the material they should start releasing as much of it over the next few years as soon as possible. I mean c'mon, how many 5 year spans can this band take to make 11 or 12 songs and still have anyone care about them? I know I would care...but how many others would even bother?
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Post by: PowerSurge on January 28, 2014, 06:12:56 AM
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Is there a full band version of Glastonbury out there on youtube? I will have to check again because for some reason I can't seem to remember this song at all. Maybe I just bypassed it but I don't remember if I've heard it before.

Look for Turin 360 Tour - they debuted that song there I'm pretty sure

Thanks man, I found it and listened to it. Its not a bad song at all. The music itself is bad ass...the lyrics are a let down though. I keep wondering if Bono is killing some of these songs with his lyrics and singing. I know it sounds blasphemous to even intimate that notion, but if you look at their last two or three albums you see a really nice progression to Edge's guitar play and the band's sound but a mish-mosh of great lyrics and borderline mediocre lyrics and signing by Bono. This song seems to suffer from the same problem that many of the songs on NLOTH suffered from. Its sad because I really thought NLOTH could have been an phenomenal album. In the end its just mediocre for me and I blame many of the poor lyrics not the band's sound; I think they sounded solid and at the top of their game. Maybe I'm the only one to think this but I just can't get myself to feel otherwise. 
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Post by: THRILLHO on January 28, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
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I still really want this song from the Rubin sessions given a proper release http://u2exit.com/eze/DSCN0404.mp3
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Is this all my life? Tremendous song

Agree, this song is awesome and would love to see the finished product.

First time I had heard that one.  TONS of potential there and would be fantastic live!

I've literally listened to it about 20 times and it keeps getting better each time for me. The one thing that I can't get past is whether or not its a song that is good enough to be on an album or if it would be better suited as a fantastic B-side.

I read a quote from one of the boys that mentioned how they had moved past some of the earlier finished songs that they had worked on during prior studio sessions. I wonder if this song was one of them or if they resurrected it during the latest sessions. Lanois did mention that he listened to the newer work and referenced some of the songs were familiar because he had worked on them with the band before...so who the hell knows anymore???

Well I was just reading this article http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2-in-their-own-words-20090313
which is an interview with the boys that took place during their promotion of NLOTH and it seems they are very keen to get back to those sessions and recordings at some point. They said that the problem was Rick was focused on getting the song 'finished' whilst the band wanted to push it much further, and I'd say after a 5 year wait they have probably have done a lot of 'pushing' so who knows, it is likely that we may see 'All My Life' again and I will be very happy to hear it in its all its glory!

It fascinates me how they just couldn't jive with such a prominent and influential producer like Rubin. I want to hear more details of what happened. It baffles me that they couldn't make it work. Hopefully they do return to those songs and end up releasing them at some point. You have got to think that their window of opportunity is closing so if they have the material they should start releasing as much of it over the next few years as soon as possible. I mean c'mon, how many 5 year spans can this band take to make 11 or 12 songs and still have anyone care about them? I know I would care...but how many others would even bother?

exactly. i bet it's great. a producer pushing them to wrap it up and release it? sounds like what U2 needs.
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Post by: SDD3000 on January 28, 2014, 09:09:32 AM
All My Life and Mercy on NLOTH would have made all the difference in the world. Them two in Crazy and SUC out.
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Post by: U2 Fan of the 90s on January 28, 2014, 09:25:21 AM
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All My Life and Mercy on NLOTH would have made all the difference in the world. Them two in Crazy and SUC out.

Agree in part... SUC is corny and formulaic... Crazy is so lightweight it's embarrassing, although the instrumentation is better.  All my life would've been a great addition... Mercy is too light as well... the need to focus on musical integrity and not earnestness. 
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Post by: DKT on January 28, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
I would've taken Mercy over either of those songs. It might've fit that album too, actually.

All my Life I'm just hearing now for the first time. I hope it comes out Soon.
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Post by: Droo on January 28, 2014, 10:14:04 AM
Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.
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Post by: rexstardust on January 28, 2014, 10:31:31 AM
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Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.
+1
Makes me wonder if songs like Miracle Drug would be revered if they hadn't been officially released. 
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Post by: _acrobat on January 28, 2014, 10:32:19 AM
Miracle Drug>Mercy x1000
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Post by: DKT on January 28, 2014, 10:33:08 AM
Hey, I'm just placing it above SUC and Crazy :)

I don't think it's as good as MOS or NLOTH (or say Cedars or WAS). But it feels less wrong for that album than SUC did.
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Post by: Droo on January 28, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
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Miracle Drug>Mercy x1000


Both songs are at the very bottom of my U2 song rankings.
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Post by: rexstardust on January 28, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
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Hey, I'm just placing it above SUC and Crazy :)

I don't think it's as good as MOS or NLOTH (or say Cedars or WAS). But it feels less wrong for that album than SUC did.

I won't ever stick up for SUC and you're probably right that Mercy would have been a better fit.  SUC is the one on NLOTH that I really don't "get."  I understand, though don't particularly like, "Boots" and enjoyed "Crazy" so much in  concert that I can tolerate the recorded version.  But SUC… I'm speechless.  It's just that "Mercy" seems to have a mythical devotion with the U2 underground and to me it would not have been a difference maker. 

I didn't mean to single out "Miracle Drug" either… To me it is one of several 00's songs that feels like U2-paint-by-numbers… an echo of a song the band has executed better at other times in their careers (or even on the same album).  That's kind of how I view "Mercy" - undeniably U2 but interchangeable with other songs in their catalogue.  It wouldn't offend me if it made it on a record but it also wouldn't be one I'd be dying to hear live. 
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Post by: Bill on January 28, 2014, 02:01:27 PM
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Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.

I think its beautiful. Reminds me of the Unforgettable Fire.
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Post by: U2 Fan of the 90s on January 28, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
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Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.

I think its beautiful. Reminds me of the Unforgettable Fire.

Its a meandering mess that goes nowhere instrumentally.  The Edge's phrasing is very predictable and his solo is GARBAGE.  Moreover, Bono's lyrics are VERY cliche which is typical for the 00's era ("you put the blue back in my eye"). 

Those of you expecting lyrics that are of the quality of AB or UF I wouldn't hold my breath... Best we can hope for is that Bono avoids grammatical errors and that The Edge carries him through the high notes well.

I'm really hoping that The Edge shows up big here... His 00's era guitar contributions for the most part have been underwhelming save a few exceptions.   

 


 
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Post by: EnduringChill on January 28, 2014, 03:04:27 PM
Yes, please let Bono avoid grammatical errors.

But I love the lyrics for their sentiment, and think the song's pretty.
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Post by: Tarahumara on January 28, 2014, 04:09:34 PM
After hearing talk about mercy all these years, I finally decided to youtube it and give it a listen. I could only listen to about half of the song because it was so boring! Really bad! Makes "When I Look At The World" sound like a masterpiece in comparison. Hope it never makes it onto an album.
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Post by: EnduringChill on January 28, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
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After hearing talk about mercy all these years, I finally decided to youtube it and give it a listen. I could only listen to about half of the song because it was so boring! Really bad! Makes "When I Look At The World" sound like a masterpiece in comparison. Hope it never makes it onto an album.
But... but When I Look At The World is a masterpiece. :(

Just kidding (I love the song, but wouldn't describe it that way). I don't think Mercy's ever going to be put on an album, it's too old and there are already two versions of it in existence.
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Post by: Wtn24 on January 28, 2014, 05:04:01 PM
Soon is lame
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Post by: drjako on January 28, 2014, 05:05:44 PM
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Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.

Agree. It just meanders along. A long build up to an underwhelming chorus.
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Post by: Messenger on January 28, 2014, 05:35:43 PM
Mercy is definitely a great B side in my opinion. Some corny lines for sure but I'd rather them not rework it and risk losing what's appealing about (the fact that it is appealing at all is highly debatable i see lol).

I do like it better than Miracle Drug though. And the chorus of All My Life sounds a little lame to me. Too Bon Jovi-ish. Soon is pretty good. It works at that length and it's more interesting than most of their recent songs which are twice as long.
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Post by: eddyjedi on January 28, 2014, 05:46:20 PM
http://youtu.be/EjsNj2AyjXA

This just surfaced not U2 is it?
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Post by: GFY on January 28, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
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http://youtu.be/EjsNj2AyjXA

This just surfaced not U2 is it?

This isn't U2.
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Post by: drjako on January 29, 2014, 12:46:08 AM
I hope none of the tracks listed make it. To me they're bland, like most of the 2000s marerial. Most recent output seems to be in their comfort zone. Some NLOTH tracks tried something different, but they didn't really have enough edge to them (pardon the pun). I had hopes when I heard the title track, as it seemed to have some desperation and U2 roots. I had high hopes. Apart from MOS and Magnificent, IMO the rest lacked something.
From my impressions of the Hangar clip, albeit very hard to conclude anything, I have high hopes. To me it seems like a new sound rhythmically. I am excited.
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Post by: The Edges Cat on January 29, 2014, 12:57:38 AM
I love Soon, I really hope U2 have made something from it. I doubt it though, they did what they did and time to move on. The chorus, far too brief, gets me  in a good mood every time. Even without catnip.

Sing yourself with fife and drum, sing yourself to overcome, the thought that someone's lost, and someone else has won.

I love this about Bono these days. He used to be Us vs Them, now it's "I can't fight you anymore, it's you I'm fighting for." As a very bad Buddhist, it appeals to me.
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Post by: satellitedog01 on January 29, 2014, 03:57:28 AM
Yeah, I think playing with all those mice before eating them might accumulate some bad karma.

Also Soon fits into the elegant songwriting future of U2 I dreamt about in 1999 or so.
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Post by: U2 Fan of the 90s on January 29, 2014, 07:31:14 AM
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Yeah, I think playing with all those mice before eating them might accumulate some bad karma.

Also Soon fits into the elegant songwriting future of U2 I dreamt about in 1999 or so.

Soon is better than 98% of NLOTH....
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Post by: codeguy on January 29, 2014, 08:05:18 AM
I, for one, love Mercy. I regularly listen to it on Youtube and I wish U2 would put it on an album. After all these years though, I doubt it.
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Post by: SDD3000 on January 29, 2014, 10:28:03 AM
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http://youtu.be/EjsNj2AyjXA

This just surfaced not U2 is it?


I don't think it is... They are wearing pink lipstick for starters : )
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Post by: an tha on January 29, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
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Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.

Agree. It just meanders along. A long build up to an underwhelming chorus.

It's a terrible example of 00s U2 by numbers IMO - it just goes nowhere and takes too long to do so
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Post by: Bill on January 29, 2014, 03:32:55 PM
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Still don't get the love for Mercy all these years later. It's everything that is disappointing about 00s U2. It's saccharine, meandering, self-indulgent nonsense if you ask me. To each their own, but I do wonder at the love that it gets.

I think its beautiful. Reminds me of the Unforgettable Fire.

Its a meandering mess that goes nowhere instrumentally.  The Edge's phrasing is very predictable and his solo is GARBAGE.  Moreover, Bono's lyrics are VERY cliche which is typical for the 00's era ("you put the blue back in my eye"). 

Those of you expecting lyrics that are of the quality of AB or UF I wouldn't hold my breath... Best we can hope for is that Bono avoids grammatical errors and that The Edge carries him through the high notes well.

I'm really hoping that The Edge shows up big here... His 00's era guitar contributions for the most part have been underwhelming save a few exceptions.   

 

I don't see where the mess would be. There is a very beautiful simplicity to the song. It gradually builds, and is nearly the longest song U2 have ever recorded. The lyrics, singing, guitar and bass have a powerful uplifting tone and it ranks up there in excitement, spiritual and emotional movement as any song from the Unforgettable Fire or songs like Where The Streets Have No Name. Its definitely on the same level or plane as U2's most uplifting songs. Its probably the best thing they have recorded since the 1980s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZSchL39m3A

Notice that even though it has never been released, it has half a million views and 1,216 likes vs only 17 dislikes on youtube. Its safe to say that the vast majority of U2 fans like this song.
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Post by: Droo on January 29, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
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Notice that even though it has never been released, it has half a million views and 1,216 likes vs only 17 dislikes on youtube. Its safe to say that the vast majority of U2 fans like this song.

Or, it's an obscure unreleased U2 song that most people wouldn't even find unless they were looking for it, and those that dislike it don't bother seeking it out.

The Likes Vs. Dislikes on YouTube don't really mean anything.
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Post by: bass slap on January 29, 2014, 03:58:55 PM
Those that find it average probably wouldn't bother to rate it.. half a million minus 1200 is probably that number
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Post by: codeguy on January 29, 2014, 04:18:27 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzz wake me up when something interesting happens
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Post by: DKT on January 29, 2014, 04:20:06 PM
Set your alarm for four days from now :)
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Post by: shanep on January 31, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
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I think they should expand on Soon and turn it into a fully-finished song, then release it. I love it.

Yes but only add another verse. Don't change anything else.