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Title: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 16, 2013, 10:51:46 AM
Just came across this article based on an interview yesterday with Bono in Nice:

http://u2fanlife.com/2013/07/16/bono-es-probable-que-u2-vuelva-de-gira-en-2014-y-el-nuevo-disco-de-u2-esta-casi-terminado?fb_source=pubv1

For those who don't know Spanish, Bono says that they look forward to playing in the city's new stadium next year, and that the new album is very close to being complete.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 16, 2013, 10:54:20 AM
As we seem to have to greet every article nowadays; no real surprise but still great to hear!
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 16, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
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As we seem to have to greet every article nowadays; no real surprise but still great to hear!

But at least it is news in that it is a quote from a member of the band from yesterday, right?
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 16, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Oh absolutely; and thanks for posting it! :)  Just meant that it's another piece of evidence to reinforce the general frame we have.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 16, 2013, 10:58:18 AM
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Oh absolutely; and thanks for posting it! :)  Just meant that it's another piece of evidence to reinforce the general frame we have.

Yeah. At this stage in my fandom, hoping for what we already know to be reinforced is as good as it gets (and better than having our timeframe altered by some new delay).
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Jono on July 16, 2013, 11:08:10 AM
A bit painful to read...'nearly complete'...
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 16, 2013, 11:13:28 AM
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A bit painful to read...'nearly complete'...

Well, Pop is also "nearly complete" according to Bono, and it came out 16 years ago and is one of U2's best albums....
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Thunder Peel on July 16, 2013, 11:27:21 AM
Seems to reinforce the belief that the album will come out this year if they want to tour in 2014. Things seem to be on track.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: DKT on July 16, 2013, 11:57:19 AM
"Nearly complete."

Gah. Their responses to news about the upcoming album seem so calculatedly ambiguous. I know I posted yesterday that I love that, but it also leaves me wanting to beg.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Droo on July 16, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
"Nearly complete" = "Time to second-guess ourselves and Sillywhitewash."
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 16, 2013, 12:42:57 PM
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"Nearly complete" = "Time to second-guess ourselves and Sillywhitewash."

Nah, I heard they're bringing in Justin Bieber's little sister to put the finishing touches on it.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Smithy on July 16, 2013, 01:18:49 PM
I recall Edge saying several times that he never considers U2's albums to be complete but abandoned because they could work on it forever.
They have been known to be working until the very last day they possibly can until they have to give it into the record company so I would say that since the reception of this album will mean a great deal to them that will also be the case this time around and I can see them getting a tap on the shoulder when it needs to be in, nothing new for them.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: renno on July 16, 2013, 01:43:02 PM
Stadiums in Europe again if this is true!
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 16, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
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Stadiums in Europe again if this is true!

It also depends on whether estadio means the same exact thing in Spanish that its English equivalent means to us. It's possible that it just means "venue" or something, I'm not sure. My Spanish is decent, but not fluent.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: OptimaX on July 16, 2013, 02:03:21 PM
It could be just the artwork that still needs to be printed.

I think the production of the songs is done.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: eddyjedi on July 16, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
Just announce the damn thing. It's nearly been 5 years already!
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: MASTER YODA on July 16, 2013, 04:37:54 PM
to me it's: we're going to have it by the end of the year.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Man Dreams One Day to Fly on July 16, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
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It also depends on whether estadio means the same exact thing in Spanish that its English equivalent means to us. It's possible that it just means "venue" or something, I'm not sure. My Spanish is decent, but not fluent.

I know from my limited knowledge of Spanish basketball that they refer to arenas as 'Palacio' or 'Palau' in Catalonia. I know that's a separate language. I think if they are specifically saying 'estadio' then means stadiums such as the Camp Nou and the Vincente Calderon. I can't see them playing arenas in Europe because of the limited number of large arenas in the UK. There are only really 2 of North American-esque standard, as in NBA or NHL level capacity in the UK, the O2 Arena in London and the Manchester Arena in Manchester. I'm not sure about the NEC in Birmingham. In fact, they didn't have a date here in Scotland until the last minute during the Elevation Tour because our biggest indoor venue, the SECC, only has a capacity of something like 9,000. They had to play two dates to make it worthwhile. I guess they left it to the last minute to find out if they could fit it in. Bono's father's health could have been a factor in that to, I'm not sure if he knew his time was up when the tour was being planned.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Thunder Peel on July 16, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
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I recall Edge saying several times that he never considers U2's albums to be complete but abandoned because they could work on it forever.
They have been known to be working until the very last day they possibly can until they have to give it into the record company so I would say that since the reception of this album will mean a great deal to them that will also be the case this time around and I can see them getting a tap on the shoulder when it needs to be in, nothing new for them.

It reminds me of George Lucas when he said, "Films aren't finished. They're abandoned." Thankfully U2 hasn't started a "Han shot first" riot with their work.:D
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on July 16, 2013, 05:22:16 PM
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It also depends on whether estadio means the same exact thing in Spanish that its English equivalent means to us. It's possible that it just means "venue" or something, I'm not sure. My Spanish is decent, but not fluent.

I know from my limited knowledge of Spanish basketball that they refer to arenas as 'Palacio' or 'Palau' in Catalonia. I know that's a separate language. I think if they are specifically saying 'estadio' then means stadiums such as the Camp Nou and the Vincente Calderon. I can't see them playing arenas in Europe because of the limited number of large arenas in the UK. There are only really 2 of North American-esque standard, as in NBA or NHL level capacity in the UK, the O2 Arena in London and the Manchester Arena in Manchester. I'm not sure about the NEC in Birmingham. In fact, they didn't have a date here in Scotland until the last minute during the Elevation Tour because our biggest indoor venue, the SECC, only has a capacity of something like 9,000. They had to play two dates to make it worthwhile. I guess they left it to the last minute to find out if they could fit it in. Bono's father's health could have been a factor in that to, I'm not sure if he knew his time was up when the tour was being planned.

Isn't that new one in Glasgow meant to be quite big and finished soon, specially built to house large shows like concerts?

The one in Birmingham holds about 15,000

I also read one in Leeds should be open soon (if not already) Springsteen supposed to be playing it.

If they used the O2 for the south, Birmingham for the Midlands and Manchester and Leeds for the North West and North East plus the new one in Scotland and the Odyssey in Belfast and the O2 in Dublin would be a great place to see them due to the design of the place then aside from Wales they would have most of the UK sorted.... Maybe throw in the Liverpool Echo which holds over 10,000 too.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Man Dreams One Day to Fly on July 16, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
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Isn't that new one in Glasgow meant to be quite big and finished soon, specially built to house large shows like concerts?

The one in Birmingham holds about 15,000

I also read one in Leeds should be open soon (if not already) Springsteen supposed to be playing it.

If they used the O2 for the south, Birmingham for the Midlands and Manchester and Leeds for the North West and North East plus the new one in Scotland and the Odyssey in Belfast and the O2 in Dublin would be a great place to see them due to the design of the place then aside from Wales they would have most of the UK sorted....

Yes, the Hydro, it's called is meant to be finished this year and open in October, I think, with Rod Stewart but there was a fire there recently. The Odyssey has one end with no seats, I think, and the O2 in Dublin is fairly small as well. Why play to about 20,000 over two nights when you can play to 50,000 in one night?

My Dad is from Northern Ireland, so the stadium and arena situation there really annoys me. There is really nowhere for U2 to play in Belfast. They played the Botanic Gardens during the PopMart Tour but that wouldn't have been very good. Windsor Park is being improved but that's an open style stadium not suitable for concerts and besides I don't want U2 associating with Linfield ;). I can't understand why the Irish FA couldn't get together with the IRFU and Ulster Rugby to build a stadium of 30,000 to 40,000 and you could play Northern Ireland football games there, Ulster Rugby would play there and you would host the occasional rugby international. They were supposed to be building a stadium on the site of the old Maze prison but that never came to fruition. Half of Northern Ireland supports the Republic, so that's part of the problem, not that I blame them.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Edges Cat on July 16, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
It's "nearly complete" because no one likes Manhattan and they have to think up a new name. And add "pedantic perfectionists" into the lyrics somewhere.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: DKT on July 17, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
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It could be just the artwork that still needs to be printed.

I think the production of the songs is done.

You know, I'm really starting to come to this frame of thought. I think they've put the album together, now they're figuring out how to package it. (Relentless optimist here.)
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Inishfree on July 17, 2013, 11:32:37 AM
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A bit painful to read...'nearly complete'...


I had a little trouble too.   My Spanish is rusty.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 17, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
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It also depends on whether estadio means the same exact thing in Spanish that its English equivalent means to us. It's possible that it just means "venue" or something, I'm not sure. My Spanish is decent, but not fluent.

I know from my limited knowledge of Spanish basketball that they refer to arenas as 'Palacio' or 'Palau' in Catalonia. I know that's a separate language. I think if they are specifically saying 'estadio' then means stadiums such as the Camp Nou and the Vincente Calderon. I can't see them playing arenas in Europe because of the limited number of large arenas in the UK. There are only really 2 of North American-esque standard, as in NBA or NHL level capacity in the UK, the O2 Arena in London and the Manchester Arena in Manchester. I'm not sure about the NEC in Birmingham. In fact, they didn't have a date here in Scotland until the last minute during the Elevation Tour because our biggest indoor venue, the SECC, only has a capacity of something like 9,000. They had to play two dates to make it worthwhile. I guess they left it to the last minute to find out if they could fit it in. Bono's father's health could have been a factor in that to, I'm not sure if he knew his time was up when the tour was being planned.

Isn't that new one in Glasgow meant to be quite big and finished soon, specially built to house large shows like concerts?

The one in Birmingham holds about 15,000

I also read one in Leeds should be open soon (if not already) Springsteen supposed to be playing it.

If they used the O2 for the south, Birmingham for the Midlands and Manchester and Leeds for the North West and North East plus the new one in Scotland and the Odyssey in Belfast and the O2 in Dublin would be a great place to see them due to the design of the place then aside from Wales they would have most of the UK sorted.... Maybe throw in the Liverpool Echo which holds over 10,000 too.

U2 will not play any arenas in the UK on the next tour.  In a 10,000 capacity arena, they won't see it as playing a gig to 10,000 fans, they'll see it as losing out on 50,000 paying punters.  And the impression I get of U2 these days is that they're not very giving to their fans.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on July 17, 2013, 02:44:00 PM
Fair points, TD - although my bet would be arenas simply because i cant see the new album being a big seller. NLOTH bombed in the UK didnt really produce a hit single -  and expectation/anticipation for the band is at an all time low more or less (aside from the very early days) Bono is hated more than ever with the tax stuff being the latest stick to beat him with - and such a long period of inactivity in terms of releasing a record makes this release in my view one for the hardcore fans. If the album gains momentum due to garnering a hit single or two and is a great album they may well upgrade or throw another visit in to play stadiums. Thats my guess.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 17, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
NLOTH proved that they didn't need a big selling album to fill stadiums in record numbers.  And really, I don't think Bono is hated, or even disliked all that much, plus most fans are fans of U2 and not individual members of the band.  I think the only way that U2 will play arenas is if they choose to just for a change or because they want to conceptually wed the new music to the new stage show and don't want to take the risk of another Pop/PopMart, or if stadium fatigue has set in among fans, but I reckon it won't in Europe on the next tour.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on July 17, 2013, 03:00:29 PM
Well i suppose there are enough people happy to pay to see the hits and a heritage act - so maybe you are right. Personally i would like them to go indoors and be brave enough to build a show where the new songs are the focal point like how zoo tv began - then if it is a big success and the songs are great take it outside as an evolving show later.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 17, 2013, 03:04:32 PM
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Personally i would like them to go indoors and be brave enough to build a show where the new songs are the focal point like how zoo tv began - then if it is a big success and the songs are great take it outside as an evolving show later.

I'll go along with that.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Exile on July 17, 2013, 03:18:11 PM
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Personally i would like them to go indoors and be brave enough to build a show where the new songs are the focal point like how zoo tv began - then if it is a big success and the songs are great take it outside as an evolving show later.

I'll go along with that.

As will I, and I wouldn't even care if, like ZooTV, all the older songs played were hits and warhorses. Strong new material and a tour that features it covers a multitude of sins.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 17, 2013, 03:45:21 PM
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Personally i would like them to go indoors and be brave enough to build a show where the new songs are the focal point like how zoo tv began - then if it is a big success and the songs are great take it outside as an evolving show later.

I'll go along with that.

As will I, and I wouldn't even care if, like ZooTV, all the older songs played were hits and warhorses.

Especially if they reinvented the hits and warhorses.

And to pull this kind of show off, the new stuff has to be great stuff.  The songs from NLOTH weren't good enough to make them the focal point of the tour, although I give credit to U2 for trying to make them so in the early stages of 360.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: MikeinMilwaukee on July 18, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
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Just came across this article based on an interview yesterday with Bono in Nice:

http://u2fanlife.com/2013/07/16/bono-es-probable-que-u2-vuelva-de-gira-en-2014-y-el-nuevo-disco-de-u2-esta-casi-terminado?fb_source=pubv1

For those who don't know Spanish, Bono says that they look forward to playing in the city's new stadium next year, and that the new album is very close to being complete.

I'd really like to see U2 tour America LAST because quite frankly we aren't their best fanbase anymore.  South America, eastern Europe are more passionate and America is kind of lagging behind.  We should still be punished for not loving "Popmart" IMHO.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Droo on July 18, 2013, 03:35:16 PM
No! By the time they get to the end they always have trimmed a whole bunch of the new material. I want to hear new songs not the same old stuff ad nauseum.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: EdgyBaby on July 20, 2013, 07:48:09 PM
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A bit painful to read...'nearly complete'...
U2 never seems tho think the albums are finished so lets hope that nearly finished is whats going to be delivered to us before too long. I can't wait much longer for new U2 music
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Clarky on July 21, 2013, 07:35:19 AM
Just be happy they're still alive and making music. Savour the moment. It's not like U2 don't have other music to keep you satiated in the meantime. I'll be sad and upset when they're no longer around but definitely not when they're in the middle of albums.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: aurabender on July 26, 2013, 08:04:14 PM
the problem here is that it was Bono who said "nearly complete". Now, you and I and the rest of the band may have one typical idea of what  those two words would mean, but Bono's sense of time seems to be something out of a Douglas Adams novel. By "nearly complete" he could mean that they just need to select the cover art, OR that they have 27 rough ideas for songs that just need to be whittled down into an album, once they find another producer to give it a fresh look.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: goldtoad on July 27, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
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Just be happy they're still alive and making music. Savour the moment. It's not like U2 don't have other music to keep you satiated in the meantime. I'll be sad and upset when they're no longer around but definitely not when they're in the middle of albums.

Yes, U2 fans need to remember this.  Be grateful we still get to look forward to another U2 album and tour. 
They won't be doing this for too many more years.  It is amazing they are still together and still friends after
over 30 years. 

Do you see the recent comments in the news about the feud between Bon Jovi and his guitarist Richie Sambora
where Bon Jovi said The Edge is a irreplaceable guitarist but Sambora is not?   It was cool to see The Edge get
some respect and a reminder of how lucky we are U2 has avoided this kind of drama and have remained friends
since high school. 

Sorry, back on topic:  I think the music is done but other stuff is still in process - artwork, etc.   
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Fisher on July 27, 2013, 01:26:55 PM
The schedule, decided months ago (and reported here previously) is as follows: album "late '13", tour starting spring 2014 in US (arenas), then moving to Europe (outdoor), then back to the US (possibly outdoor). Provisional bookings of US venues were made many months ago. This is from the horses' mouths, though feel free to ridicule it.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on July 27, 2013, 01:58:10 PM
Maybe it's the "glass half-empty" in me but I get the feeling they're going to punt.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on July 27, 2013, 05:00:54 PM
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Just be happy they're still alive and making music. Savour the moment. It's not like U2 don't have other music to keep you satiated in the meantime. I'll be sad and upset when they're no longer around but definitely not when they're in the middle of albums.

Yes, U2 fans need to remember this.  Be grateful we still get to look forward to another U2 album and tour. 
They won't be doing this for too many more years.  It is amazing they are still together and still friends after
over 30 years. 

Do you see the recent comments in the news about the feud between Bon Jovi and his guitarist Richie Sambora
where Bon Jovi said The Edge is a irreplaceable guitarist but Sambora is not?   It was cool to see The Edge get
some respect and a reminder of how lucky we are U2 has avoided this kind of drama and have remained friends
since high school. 

Sorry, back on topic:  I think the music is done but other stuff is still in process - artwork, etc.

         U2 are NOT in their 80s, they are in their 50s. It would not be a surprise if they were still doing this 20 years from now. Rock n' Roll is not the Olympics or American Professional Football.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on July 27, 2013, 05:03:22 PM
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The schedule, decided months ago (and reported here previously) is as follows: album "late '13", tour starting spring 2014 in US (arenas), then moving to Europe (outdoor), then back to the US (possibly outdoor). Provisional bookings of US venues were made many months ago. This is from the horses' mouths, though feel free to ridicule it.

              That's probable except for the idea that they are already making provisional bookings on US venues. That probably will not happen until after the album is released.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Dali on July 28, 2013, 02:15:23 AM
It's actually good to hear about Bono talking about the new album, too, now, especially after he's been so unusually quiet about it for so long. I guess it was a concious decision by the band to not have Bono talk about the album as much as he used to be on previous occasions but this newsbit here actually confirms that Bono is "into" the new album, too. And that can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: THRILLHO on July 28, 2013, 09:16:14 AM
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It's actually good to hear about Bono talking about the new album, too, now, especially after he's been so unusually quiet about it for so long. I guess it was a concious decision by the band to not have Bono talk about the album as much as he used to be on previous occasions but this newsbit here actually confirms that Bono is "into" the new album, too. And that can only be a good thing.

of course he's going to be into it. it means nothing.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Chargedvt on July 29, 2013, 04:32:13 AM
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It's actually good to hear about Bono talking about the new album, too, now, especially after he's been so unusually quiet about it for so long. I guess it was a concious decision by the band to not have Bono talk about the album as much as he used to be on previous occasions but this newsbit here actually confirms that Bono is "into" the new album, too. And that can only be a good thing.

of course he's going to be into it. it means nothing.

Yeah I've never heard Bono starting a promotional cycle by saying "Yeah, it's got a few good tunes, but overall it's not very cohesive.  We could have done with a few more weeks to really finish it off".
I believe there would indeed be tentative bookings made for show in the US by now, the first shows would be 8 months from now.  I guess things will follow the usual pattern of announcing the US and European legs in January.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Smithy on July 29, 2013, 11:10:20 AM
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It's actually good to hear about Bono talking about the new album, too, now, especially after he's been so unusually quiet about it for so long. I guess it was a concious decision by the band to not have Bono talk about the album as much as he used to be on previous occasions but this newsbit here actually confirms that Bono is "into" the new album, too. And that can only be a good thing.

of course he's going to be into it. it means nothing.

Yeah I've never heard Bono starting a promotional cycle by saying "Yeah, it's got a few good tunes, but overall it's not very cohesive.  We could have done with a few more weeks to really finish it off".
I believe there would indeed be tentative bookings made for show in the US by now, the first shows would be 8 months from now.  I guess things will follow the usual pattern of announcing the US and European legs in January.

We hope..
:-\
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: imaginary friend on July 29, 2013, 11:13:13 AM
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It's actually good to hear about Bono talking about the new album, too, now, especially after he's been so unusually quiet about it for so long. I guess it was a concious decision by the band to not have Bono talk about the album as much as he used to be on previous occasions but this newsbit here actually confirms that Bono is "into" the new album, too. And that can only be a good thing.

of course he's going to be into it. it means nothing.

Yeah I've never heard Bono starting a promotional cycle by saying "Yeah, it's got a few good tunes, but overall it's not very cohesive.  We could have done with a few more weeks to really finish it off".
I believe there would indeed be tentative bookings made for show in the US by now, the first shows would be 8 months from now.  I guess things will follow the usual pattern of announcing the US and European legs in January.

Oh, if they're going to be on the road by this time next year, the venues they want will have at least have had dates put on hold already. Doesn't mean we're going to hear about right away.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: imaginary friend on July 30, 2013, 01:38:17 PM
Rumor of a Quebec date next summer:   http://www.alancross.ca/a-journal-of-musical-things/2013/7/30/u2-to-play-the-plains-of-abraham-in-2014.html
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: seashells on July 30, 2013, 08:39:56 PM
I was in Quebec City a few years ago when Metallica was playing there - 100,000 friendly fans swarming the city.  I didn't see the show, but it would be a fun roadtrip for a U2 show.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Smithy on July 31, 2013, 05:35:46 AM
Well good news is Bono was spotted riding his bike, which is about a regular occurrence as a solar eclipse.
So looks like someone is getting fit for a tour ;)
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: codeguy on July 31, 2013, 10:46:34 AM
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Well good news is Bono was spotted riding his bike, which is about a regular occurrence as a solar eclipse.
So looks like someone is getting fit for a tour ;)
funny, I read that as "oh no, bonos still on vacation and not working on The album
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: bosk1 on July 31, 2013, 11:22:49 AM
I'm betting the music is done and when they say things like "it's almost ready" they are referring to the artwork and marketing plan. Once they have that, we'll get our announcement.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: codeguy on July 31, 2013, 12:49:33 PM
Anyone know if DM is booked on other projects over the next year? I'm wondering if they have aligned on a theme and have one album ready, but still have a lot of great songs left over for U2 and DM to work on over the next year as they're readying the tour, so that the second album can come out in 2014?

Probably too much to hope for at this point, but we can dream..out loud!
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: DMiTD on July 31, 2013, 03:50:15 PM
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Anyone know if DM is booked on other projects over the next year? I'm wondering if they have aligned on a theme and have one album ready, but still have a lot of great songs left over for U2 and DM to work on over the next year as they're readying the tour, so that the second album can come out in 2014?

Probably too much to hope for at this point, but we can dream..out loud!

I'm not privy to his schedule in detail, but here's what is known about DM's upcoming projects:
1. Broken Bells' second record will probably be released in Q4 this year or Q1 next (more likely Q1 next) There will, presumably, be press and touring behind that record. The last Broken Bells record involved about a year, on and off, of touring.
2. The Black Keys are currently in studio. DM might be on the job at the moment, or might be called in at a later time, but is scheduled to be involved with that, but less so than with TBK's El Camino record. That record looks like it will drop in Q1 of next year too.
3. Frank Ocean is recording on and off now and will be spending some studio time with DM. There's nothing definite about when that record will come out, but I think there's so pressure to get it done while Frank's still riding high from the success of Channel Orange. DM's involvement probably won't be with the whole album, as Pharrell has already put in work on it too.
4. Electric Guest is a band that is close to DM's heart. He produced their first record and is slated to be involved with the second one, which they are recording now.
5. DM has been touted as being involved with Aretha Franklin's next record, along with Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds. I think there have been discussions but substantial work hasn't been done on it yet.

Other projects, like a third Gnarls Barkley record, a record with Black Thought from The Roots, a record with Iggy Pop, a follow-up to the Rome record...have all been floated but there haven't been any details recently, so I don't think they're active.

But, if that sounds like the plate is too full to accommodate U2, I wouldn't rule it out necessarily. 2-4 records a year is de rigeur for Danger Mouse.  :)
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Pocket Merlin on July 31, 2013, 05:00:46 PM
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Anyone know if DM is booked on other projects over the next year? I'm wondering if they have aligned on a theme and have one album ready, but still have a lot of great songs left over for U2 and DM to work on over the next year as they're readying the tour, so that the second album can come out in 2014?

Probably too much to hope for at this point, but we can dream..out loud!

I'm not privy to his schedule in detail, but here's what is known about DM's upcoming projects:
1. Broken Bells' second record will probably be released in Q4 this year or Q1 next (more likely Q1 next) There will, presumably, be press and touring behind that record. The last Broken Bells record involved about a year, on and off, of touring.
2. The Black Keys are currently in studio. DM might be on the job at the moment, or might be called in at a later time, but is scheduled to be involved with that, but less so than with TBK's El Camino record. That record looks like it will drop in Q1 of next year too.
3. Frank Ocean is recording on and off now and will be spending some studio time with DM. There's nothing definite about when that record will come out, but I think there's so pressure to get it done while Frank's still riding high from the success of Channel Orange. DM's involvement probably won't be with the whole album, as Pharrell has already put in work on it too.
4. Electric Guest is a band that is close to DM's heart. He produced their first record and is slated to be involved with the second one, which they are recording now.
5. DM has been touted as being involved with Aretha Franklin's next record, along with Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds. I think there have been discussions but substantial work hasn't been done on it yet.

Other projects, like a third Gnarls Barkley record, a record with Black Thought from The Roots, a record with Iggy Pop, a follow-up to the Rome record...have all been floated but there haven't been any details recently, so I don't think they're active.

But, if that sounds like the plate is too full to accommodate U2, I wouldn't rule it out necessarily. 2-4 records a year is de rigeur for Danger Mouse.  :)

Holy smokes, he's a busy guy!
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Nanda360 on July 31, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
wrong translation. Casi terminado in Spanish actually means no prediction lol ;D
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: The Edges Cat on July 31, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
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Well good news is Bono was spotted riding his bike, which is about a regular occurrence as a solar eclipse.
So looks like someone is getting fit for a tour ;)
funny, I read that as "oh no, bonos still on vacation and not working on The album

I read that hoping Bono did an Albert Hofmann (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/30/drugs.chemistry)! Hey, it worked for Achtung Baby... ;)

Hopefully Bono sang a few verses of the Queen classic, and got his falsetto back.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: U2OnceAgain on August 01, 2013, 10:03:39 AM
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NLOTH proved that they didn't need a big selling album to fill stadiums in record numbers.  And really, I don't think Bono is hated, or even disliked all that much, plus most fans are fans of U2 and not individual members of the band.  I think the only way that U2 will play arenas is if they choose to just for a change or because they want to conceptually wed the new music to the new stage show and don't want to take the risk of another Pop/PopMart, or if stadium fatigue has set in among fans, but I reckon it won't in Europe on the next tour.


I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US). There has always beed a huge fan base but the base is shrinking year after year. The Elevation tour was sold out due to ATYCLB, which to me is a middle of the road album, and the back catalogue or U2. The Vertigo tour was sold out due to the HTDAAB album, another middle of the road album, and again the back catalogue of U2. The 360 tour was never completely sold out on any leg of the tour, though not as bad as the POP tour and only because of the back catalogue (mostly IMHO)were there butts in the seats. There were no hit songs off that album, which I like 1000 times more than the 2 previous albums but the U2 mystique right now is gone. All the hype in the world is not going to get SELL OUTS in stadiums unless some great quality hit songs are produced.
I will still see them since I have seen ever tour since WAR but maybe not 5 or 6 times each leg like I have in the past. I had so many extra tickets to the 360 tour that I couldn't even give away. No one wanted to pay the prices of the face value and even giving them to people was not easy.
I believe the US legs will start in Arenas and then if some hits are released they will play stadiums. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Miami66 on August 02, 2013, 08:12:44 AM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).

Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: U2OnceAgain on August 02, 2013, 11:37:09 AM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).

Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: boom boom on August 02, 2013, 01:50:55 PM
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NLOTH proved that they didn't need a big selling album to fill stadiums in record numbers.  And really, I don't think Bono is hated, or even disliked all that much, plus most fans are fans of U2 and not individual members of the band.  I think the only way that U2 will play arenas is if they choose to just for a change or because they want to conceptually wed the new music to the new stage show and don't want to take the risk of another Pop/PopMart, or if stadium fatigue has set in among fans, but I reckon it won't in Europe on the next tour.


I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US). There has always beed a huge fan base but the base is shrinking year after year. The Elevation tour was sold out due to ATYCLB, which to me is a middle of the road album, and the back catalogue or U2. The Vertigo tour was sold out due to the HTDAAB album, another middle of the road album, and again the back catalogue of U2. The 360 tour was never completely sold out on any leg of the tour, though not as bad as the POP tour and only because of the back catalogue (mostly IMHO)were there butts in the seats. There were no hit songs off that album, which I like 1000 times more than the 2 previous albums but the U2 mystique right now is gone. All the hype in the world is not going to get SELL OUTS in stadiums unless some great quality hit songs are produced.
I will still see them since I have seen ever tour since WAR but maybe not 5 or 6 times each leg like I have in the past. I had so many extra tickets to the 360 tour that I couldn't even give away. No one wanted to pay the prices of the face value and even giving them to people was not easy.
I believe the US legs will start in Arenas and then if some hits are released they will play stadiums. Just my 2 cents.
Where did the record breaking 7 million people come from then?   FYI the official billboard box scores list every show as sellouts.  U2 does not need a hit song and a hit album to sell stadiums at this point in their career and they know that, but this is exactly want they want to avoid (Selling out stadiums on the strength of their past).  That is why this album is taking forever it seems (close to 3 years now).  They want people to come  and enjoy  the show based on their  present output. 
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: So Cruel on August 02, 2013, 02:00:46 PM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).

Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.

360 was the proof that U2 do not need a hit album to fill stadiums. No Line was not the hit they expected it to be yet 360 sold more tickets then any other tour in concert history. Maybe you had problems unloading your extra tickets but U2 had no problems filling stadiums.

Where's Bethere when you need him?
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 02, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).

Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.

360 was the proof that U2 do not need a hit album to fill stadiums. No Line was not the hit they expected it to be yet 360 sold more tickets then any other tour in concert history. Maybe you had problems unloading your extra tickets but U2 had no problems filling stadiums.

Where's Bethere when you need him?

Play fair, So Cruel, with bethere under a ban, it's like an open goal.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: codeguy on August 02, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).
7.2 million people, and by far the biggest tour in music history

Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.

360 was the proof that U2 do not need a hit album to fill stadiums. No Line was not the hit they expected it to be yet 360 sold more tickets then any other tour in concert history. Maybe you had problems unloading your extra tickets but U2 had no problems filling stadiums.

Where's Bethere when you need him?

Play fair, So Cruel, with bethere under a ban, it's like an open goal.


Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: So Cruel on August 02, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).

Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.

360 was the proof that U2 do not need a hit album to fill stadiums. No Line was not the hit they expected it to be yet 360 sold more tickets then any other tour in concert history. Maybe you had problems unloading your extra tickets but U2 had no problems filling stadiums.

Where's Bethere when you need him?

Play fair, So Cruel, with bethere under a ban, it's like an open goal.



Is Bethere banned again? I thought he was back from that original one.

Every now and again there's nothing wrong with getting an open goal or an "empty netter" as we Canadian hockey fans like to say
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Miami66 on August 04, 2013, 09:25:38 AM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).
Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.
Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

They SOLD OUT every show on the 360 tour. There is no opinion on that. FACTS ARE FACTS. I don't care about insulting U2. I'm a passionate enough fan that I don't need other people telling me how good U2 are to make me feel good about them. They are my favorite band and always will be. Regardless of what others think.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Siberian Tiger on August 04, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
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I disagree, NLOTH showed that they do need hit songs and a hit album to SELL OUT Stadiums (especially in the US).
Are you kidding me? They "sold out" every show. They're as popular as ever in S. America. Europe they've been doing stadiums for quite a while. Why in the world did you buy so many "extra tickets" you're off your rocker.
Your the one that is off your rocker. They did not sell out every show especially in the US. They didn't even come back to Boston on the 2nd leg of the tour since they didn't sell out the 2 shows they played here to start with. I have been a U2 fan for 30 years and I always got extra tickets to all the shows and brought lots of friends along. I would have people fighting for tickets since they were so hard to get, this includes Stadium shows for The Josuha Tree and Zoo TV. Also for Elevation and Veritgo tickets were hard to get. For the 360 tour shows tickets were discounted all over the place since the shows did not sell out. On a whole in the US they may have had great total attendance numbers but not SOLD OUT SHOWS, which is what I was referrring to. I even had GA tickets that I had to trhow away since you could get them online cheaper than face value. Just an FYI, I got the GA's for myself then I won an auction for the RED seats and went there instead.

I was being honest and giving my opinion. You obviously took it as I was insulting YOUR precious U2 and Bono.

They SOLD OUT every show on the 360 tour. There is no opinion on that. FACTS ARE FACTS. I don't care about insulting U2. I'm a passionate enough fan that I don't need other people telling me how good U2 are to make me feel good about them. They are my favorite band and always will be. Regardless of what others think.

Sold out every show? Really? I was at Luzhniki stadium that holds 80,000. There were 65,000 there.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: codeguy on August 04, 2013, 10:51:29 AM
This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Miami66 on August 04, 2013, 05:25:24 PM
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.

Thanks Codeguy.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on August 04, 2013, 05:37:19 PM
It isn't how big it is, it is what you do with it.....
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: U2OnceAgain on August 05, 2013, 07:13:25 AM
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.
The shows were not sold out, end of story. There were huge numbers of tickets available. Some shows were indeed sold out but not every show especially in the US. I know for a fact the 2nd show of the Boston dates was never sold out and there were a lot of other shows in the 2nd leg that didn't sell out. Its not worth arguing about. They cannot coast on their laurels forever, sooner (now in my opinion) or later people will not flock to see them without a great album. That is the only point I am trying to make. The diehard fans like myself will still see them on tour but as for getting a lot of new fans its not happening. They are not the COOL GROUP with the younger crowd and they need a couple of hits to achieve that again.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on August 05, 2013, 09:01:27 AM
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.
The shows were not sold out, end of story. There were huge numbers of tickets available. Some shows were indeed sold out but not every show especially in the US. I know for a fact the 2nd show of the Boston dates was never sold out and there were a lot of other shows in the 2nd leg that didn't sell out.

             Well, you could say the same thing about the Stadium shows on the Joshua Tree Tour and the ZOO TV tour, or for that matter any stadium tour. Stadiums have very large capacities that are difficult to completely fill, especially when your playing in the round, something no one had ever done before.

                They played two shows with nearly 70,000 people per show in Boston. I think each of those shows is a record for attendance at a concert in the Boston area if not all of New England. So, they did not completely sellout. So what? No one has ever played to that many people at one time in that area, let alone twice.

                I think there were 85,000 at the show near Washington DC at the Redskins stadium, but that meant there were at least 10,000+ tickets still available. So what? Again its a record not just for the city, but the region.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: JJJX3 on August 05, 2013, 09:35:10 AM
The argument here is whether the shows were "sold out". And while your comment speaks greatly to the legions of casual fans buying or being given tickets to augment the usual hardcore fan turnout, you are concurring that indeed the 360 tour wasn't sold out.



Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: U2OnceAgain on August 05, 2013, 02:06:19 PM
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.

Thanks Codeguy.
Or they change what a SOLD OUT show is to create urgency and hype, please don't try to tell me if they could have sold 10,000 more tickets at $250+ per ticket they wouldn't have released more tickets. It's easy to say a show is sold out when tickets are held back and released througout the lead up to the show or not on sale at all. Its all marketing. Empty seats and empty sections are hard to hide. The final number is large but averaged out is it still the higest numbers?
I can only speak for what I saw and experienced in Boston almost 5 years ago, a lot of empty seats and sections.
 
The only point I have been trying to make is we are now 5 years further away from any U2 hit or song getting significant airplay. Think of it kids who were 13 at the last show are now 18 and are ready to go to concerts (without their parents) are they going to a U2 show. The price of tickets is most likely going to hit close to $400.00 for the better seats. $800.00 USD for 2 casual fans to see a U2 show is not likely. $800.00 for 2 devoted fans is likely but how may of us will be able to go to multiple shows like we used to. GA is not a likely option for a lot of us in our mid 40s to early 50s. I am not standing in line for hours and then standing for another 3 hours to see a concert, I will pay the extra to have a designated seat but won't go bankrupt to do it.
We will have to wait and see what happens with the album and what happens with the tour.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: U2OnceAgain on August 05, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
PS this came from Matt @U2

One of the problems on 360 is that they played stadiums in the US, which opened up tickets to an entirely different audience. Especially on the 3rd leg, it was not at all tough to get U2 tickets and there were countless shows where free tickets were being given awat on the day of the show to stadium sponsors, nearby companies, etc.

I wrote about this in some detail here: http://www.atu2.com/news/column-off-the-record-vol-12-513.html

None of which is to say they should (or will) skip the US on the next tour. Silly idea.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on August 05, 2013, 03:41:05 PM
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PS this came from Matt @U2

One of the problems on 360 is that they played stadiums in the US, which opened up tickets to an entirely different audience. Especially on the 3rd leg, it was not at all tough to get U2 tickets and there were countless shows where free tickets were being given awat on the day of the show to stadium sponsors, nearby companies, etc.

I wrote about this in some detail here: http://www.atu2.com/news/column-off-the-record-vol-12-513.html

None of which is to say they should (or will) skip the US on the next tour. Silly idea.

All fair points - but U2's lacklustre performances and patchy material in the 00's - does not help either.

U2 need an album that really connects in a big way - and to make those songs the centre pieces of the show, rather than a monstrosity like the claw - I personally think that they should go back indoors too.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on August 05, 2013, 05:21:13 PM
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The argument here is whether the shows were "sold out". And while your comment speaks greatly to the legions of casual fans buying or being given tickets to augment the usual hardcore fan turnout, you are concurring that indeed the 360 tour wasn't sold out.

               As Codeguy said above, it depends on what your definition of "sellout" is? The concert industry has one definition, you and I generally probably have a different definition.

                I'll say this, I was at the 360 show in Philadelphia at Lincoln Financial Field. I think the official attendance figure for the show was somewhere around 72,000. I know that this show was indeed a sellout from talking to security before the show. Some people in our group wanted to know if they could sit in the stands if they got tired on the field. Security said that they would not have any place they could specifically sit someone in the stands from the field because every seat would be filled unless someone did not show up, or were going to the bathroom or getting food/drink etc.

               Every show was soldout according to the industry definition of sellout as Codeguy mentioned above. Whether every physical seat was filled is another matter. In some cases like Philadelphia where I was at, according to security, every physical seat they could put a person in was sold. In other cities, sellout may have only meant the selling of all tickets released by the promoter. At a minimum, that was the case for every city on the tour. Whether, every physical space was used up for all these "sellout" shows is another question that will probably never fully be known. According to security in Philadelphia, it was a full sellout in that all the physical seats had been sold. The other cities on the tour probably had some that were soldout in the physical sense and those that were only sellouts in terms of what the promoter had released.

             Either way, the tour averaged nearly 70,000 people per show over 110 shows. That is the record. So it seems pointlessly pendantic to be pointing out that some shows may still have had a few remaining physical seats that were not sold to anyone. Sure, that happened, but you could say that about every stadium tour in history, none of which had the level of attendance that 360 had.



             
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on August 05, 2013, 05:28:36 PM
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PS this came from Matt @U2

One of the problems on 360 is that they played stadiums in the US, which opened up tickets to an entirely different audience. Especially on the 3rd leg, it was not at all tough to get U2 tickets and there were countless shows where free tickets were being given awat on the day of the show to stadium sponsors, nearby companies, etc.

I wrote about this in some detail here: http://www.atu2.com/news/column-off-the-record-vol-12-513.html

None of which is to say they should (or will) skip the US on the next tour. Silly idea.

When is it ever difficult to get tickets to a stadium show? I mean, in this case your talking 70,000 tickets for the stadium vs the arena which only has 18,000 tickets. Of course getting tickets to stadium shows is generally easy due to the abundant supply.

          By the way, the ticket situation on ZOO TV for the stadiums was no different. If anything, there may have been more tickets available. Plus, there were free tickets given away the day of the show as well for ZOO TV stadium shows. I've seen that even for arena shows.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 05, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
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PS this came from Matt @U2

One of the problems on 360 is that they played stadiums in the US, which opened up tickets to an entirely different audience. Especially on the 3rd leg, it was not at all tough to get U2 tickets and there were countless shows where free tickets were being given awat on the day of the show to stadium sponsors, nearby companies, etc.

I wrote about this in some detail here: http://www.atu2.com/news/column-off-the-record-vol-12-513.html

None of which is to say they should (or will) skip the US on the next tour. Silly idea.

When is it ever difficult to get tickets to a stadium show? I mean, in this case your talking 70,000 tickets for the stadium vs the arena which only has 18,000 tickets. Of course getting tickets to stadium shows is generally easy due to the abundant supply.

          By the way, the ticket situation on ZOO TV for the stadiums was no different. If anything, there may have been more tickets available. Plus, there were free tickets given away the day of the show as well for ZOO TV stadium shows. I've seen that even for arena shows.

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Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on August 05, 2013, 05:41:10 PM
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.

Thanks Codeguy.
Or they change what a SOLD OUT show is to create urgency and hype, please don't try to tell me if they could have sold 10,000 more tickets at $250+ per ticket they wouldn't have released more tickets. It's easy to say a show is sold out when tickets are held back and released througout the lead up to the show or not on sale at all. Its all marketing. Empty seats and empty sections are hard to hide. The final number is large but averaged out is it still the higest numbers?


            That's true, but its the way the industry works and every artist out there does the same thing. Having empty seats and empty sections was not a problem for 360. That was a problem for the Popmart Tour. The Popmart tour sometimes had half empty stadiums. Obviously that is something that an artist can't hide no matter what they do. U2 did not have that problem on 360. But if you have any video or pictures of large empty area's of stadiums for U2 360, I'd be interested to see them.

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I can only speak for what I saw and experienced in Boston almost 5 years ago, a lot of empty seats and sections.
 
The only point I have been trying to make is we are now 5 years further away from any U2 hit or song getting significant airplay. Think of it kids who were 13 at the last show are now 18 and are ready to go to concerts (without their parents) are they going to a U2 show. The price of tickets is most likely going to hit close to $400.00 for the better seats. $800.00 USD for 2 casual fans to see a U2 show is not likely. $800.00 for 2 devoted fans is likely but how may of us will be able to go to multiple shows like we used to. GA is not a likely option for a lot of us in our mid 40s to early 50s. I am not standing in line for hours and then standing for another 3 hours to see a concert, I will pay the extra to have a designated seat but won't go bankrupt to do it.
We will have to wait and see what happens with the album and what happens with the tour.

       The Tour ended two years ago, so a kid that was 13 would now be 15. The highest priced tickets on the last tour were $250.00. Why wouldn't GA be an option for people in their mid 40s and early 50s? If U2 can stand and run around for two hours so can you, provided you are physically fit. There are people older than U2 that spend all day on their feet at their jobs all around the world.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 05, 2013, 05:52:00 PM
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This is a technicality, albeit one that blurs the meaning of the term "sellout".  Sometimes concert promoters estimate demand and sell the number of tickets they think will satisfy demand rather than the number the stadium holds. Luzhniki may hold 80,000, but they only put 65,000 tickets for sale. The idea is to minimize staffing costs, city fees for police, insurance costs, etc by keeping some parts of the stadium closed. The concert sells out if all available tickets sell, not if every seat in the stadium is filled. You might think this is a cynical ploy to call the tour a sellout, but remember, if you book an arena of 20000 and 30000 want tickets, it's a sellout. If you book a stadium of 50000 and 40000 want tickets it's not a sellout, even though demand was higher than the sellout example. Therefore the term sellout doesn't mean a lot. 7,200,000 does mean a lot. That's the number of tickets sold to 360. It's an all time record. Case closed.

Thanks Codeguy.
Or they change what a SOLD OUT show is to create urgency and hype, please don't try to tell me if they could have sold 10,000 more tickets at $250+ per ticket they wouldn't have released more tickets. It's easy to say a show is sold out when tickets are held back and released througout the lead up to the show or not on sale at all. Its all marketing. Empty seats and empty sections are hard to hide. The final number is large but averaged out is it still the higest numbers?


            That's true, but its the way the industry works and every artist out there does the same thing. Having empty seats and empty sections was not a problem for 360. That was a problem for the Popmart Tour. The Popmart tour sometimes had half empty stadiums. Obviously that is something that an artist can't hide no matter what they do. U2 did not have that problem on 360. But if you have any video or pictures of large empty area's of stadiums for U2 360, I'd be interested to see them.

That's because 360 was a nostalgia tour and nostalgia sells, as JTBaby might say, where as the PopMart tour was inextricably linked to the Pop album.



Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: JJJX3 on August 05, 2013, 06:27:43 PM
If I was being paid what U2 is being paid I would run around on a nice big stage for 2 hours a night too. But standing half a mile away in a field with crappy sight lines , morons more interested in taking crappy videos blocking my limited view with their Smartphones, taking half an hour to go take a pi** and not get back to my spot, and just generally having to put up with 2 hours of discomfort, well none of that is appealing and not remotely analogous to what U2 has to put up with. What a dumb argument. Arenas or nothing.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: edge245 on August 05, 2013, 07:02:51 PM
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If I was being paid what U2 is being paid I would run around on a nice big stage for 2 hours a night too. But standing half a mile away in a field with crappy sight lines , morons more interested in taking crappy videos blocking my limited view with their Smartphones, taking half an hour to go take a pi*s and not get back to my spot, and just generally having to put up with 2 hours of discomfort, well none of that is appealing and not remotely analogous to what U2 has to put up with. What a dumb argument. Arenas or nothing.

              Well, if your on the field at the back, your at best 75 meters from where Bono's main mike stand is or Edge's guitar pedals. The site line from there is very good and its also less crowded. The problems you mention begin as you move closer to the stage on the field. Unfortunately, you will still have "morons" more interested in taking crappy videos blocking your limited view with their Smartphones in the stands or at any arena show for that matter. Arena shows or simply having a reserved seat in a stadium will not save you from that.

             I understand the pi*s issue because I have a small bladder myself. I generally go often during the opening acts and see if I can't hold it for U2. I've learned that all that movement back and forth is good for you as those that stayed standing in the same place for hours with little movement became very sore and stiff. If your with a group, they will hold your spot. If your on your own, you can find a new spot each time. I don't see how the two hours of standing in general admission, especially if your in the inner ring, would be much different that anyone else standing in the seated area.

            But, if one does need to sit down during a show, then I can understand why they would not like GA. I made sure when I took my parents to see U2 in Dublin back in 2005 that we had seats in the stands. I thought that was best since my parents at that point were in their late 60s and not regular rock concert attendees. Being in the stands does insure a stable site line, and closer access to a bathroom. I understand that for some people there is a greater need for that.

            For U2 though, they prefer the field to be general admission because it creates a better concert atmosphere and the freedom of the field plus the greatly reduced ticket price appeals to younger fans. Smart move by U2.

            If I had gotten a seat in the stands, I probably would not have purchased the $250 tickets and would have gone with the price range that was around $95 or $100. In any event I got to see several 360 shows at the GA price of $55 dollars from the inner ring which was an amazing experience with the cat walk and the bridges. One or more band members were often very close to where we were throughout the show.

             I think they will be playing arena's next year though. I think they want to give the big stadium gigs for a while and concentrate on a tour that they could wrap up in as little as nine months, just like they did with the elevation tour back in 2001. The tour after this one will probably be going back into the stadiums.

             
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on August 06, 2013, 01:23:15 AM
The fact that people are concerned about 'standing in a field' and 'needing a pi*s' is a good insight into why u2 crowds are not very lively these days - maybe they should bring back floor seating in the usa. . . . Or even a special section on the floor where they provide a seat, a bucket and people arent allowed to stand up, sing or anything too strenuous.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: keaton on August 06, 2013, 02:41:26 AM
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When is it ever difficult to get tickets to a stadium show? I mean, in this case your talking 70,000 tickets for the stadium vs the arena which only has 18,000 tickets. Of course getting tickets to stadium shows is generally easy due to the abundant supply.

I don't know about the US but in Europe, (unless you have a presale code), what usually happens is that the system goes down within a minute after the sale starts and by the time the site's back the show's already sold out.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: J_Rock321 on August 06, 2013, 04:42:35 AM
I found these article

http://www.examiner.com/article/u2-360-tour-tickets-instant-sell-out-dates-added

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/u2s-360-tour-dates-concert-tickets-selling-out-record-speed

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aq2yHrkVlNg8

http://www.ourstage.com/blog/2011/8/3/u2-360-in-numbers

Sorry pop and popmart fans but I couldn't resist

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1997-06-09/lifestyle/9706060468_1_popmart-rock-group-u2-dates

But I got a question about the 360 tour, did people in the seats have the option to go on the floor? That could be a reason why seats were empty. I didn't go to a 360 show.  >:(
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: THRILLHO on August 06, 2013, 07:05:48 AM
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But I got a question about the 360 tour, did people in the seats have the option to go on the floor? That could be a reason why seats were empty. I didn't go to a 360 show.  >:(

um, no? lol. those seats are expensive but you can't just move around like that or no one would stay in their seats, they'd all <or most> would try to get close to the stage.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: codeguy on August 06, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
Every ticket that was put on sale, was sold. Not every seat at every show was filled - though most shows had every seat filled.

The tour had a record 7.2 million attendees. A record. Can we stop debating if the tour was a sellout or a success? It was the highest attended show in the history of music.
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 06, 2013, 01:55:39 PM
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The fact that people are concerned about 'standing in a field' and 'needing a pi*s' is a good insight into why u2 crowds are not very lively these days - maybe they should bring back floor seating in the usa. . . . Or even a special section on the floor where they provide a seat, a bucket and people arent allowed to stand up, sing or anything too strenuous.

I don't know why people don't just pi*s and sh** where they stand.  If they're going to be treated like cattle then why not behave like it?

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 06, 2013, 02:02:37 PM
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Or even a special section on the floor where they provide a seat, a bucket and people arent allowed to stand up, sing or anything too strenuous.

Then they could all 'slop out' on the way out.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on August 06, 2013, 02:09:27 PM
^^^^^ we could revolutimise the concert experience
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 06, 2013, 02:11:55 PM
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^^^^^ we could revolutimise the concert experience

Yeah, they could let people out early for good behaviour.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on August 06, 2013, 02:16:02 PM
Solitary confinement with just i'll go crazy if i dont go crazy tonight on continuous loop for those who misbehave
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 06, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
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Solitary confinement with just i'll go crazy if i dont go crazy tonight on continuous loop for those who misbehave

That would come under cruel and unusual punishment, surely?

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: an tha on August 06, 2013, 02:25:19 PM
Draconian i admit - but i bet you wouldnt get too much disorder once word was out
Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: Tumbling Dice on August 06, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
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Draconian i admit - but i bet you wouldnt get too much disorder once word was out

For punishment, I'd rather give concert goers a short, sharp shock of Elevation.

Title: Re: "Album Nearly Complete, Tour in 2014"
Post by: codeguy on August 06, 2013, 02:36:56 PM
Sigh, we need the album, this is what happens when they keep us caged in like animals waiting for news....we start this crap..