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Title: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: daffi on July 24, 2013, 05:24:47 AM
thats an article from u2place , italy, claims they have a source from inside the band management:
the tour will be in arenas, less cities, but more concerts in each city.(as we heard before.. )
and the interesting thing is- different set list every night!!!

in italian :
http://www.u2place.com/newsdett.asp?idN=6788&rumors-esclusiva-u2place-tour-nelle-arene-e-set-list-sempre-diverse%2F

translation:
http://translate.google.co.il/translate?hl=iw&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.u2place.com%2F
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: boom boom on July 24, 2013, 05:31:54 AM
english link doesn't work, but sounds to good to be true.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: daffi on July 24, 2013, 05:43:19 AM
hope its true!!!
better for us... saving money  not to run all over the world to see them .one city, three concerts, different setlist, sounds great! . :D
its seems they are very confident of what they say in u2 place.
try to translate in google translate .
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Quenchable Thirst on July 24, 2013, 06:45:18 AM
"One of our inside sources in the band's management..." okay... it seems now every single fan knows "someone" in the band's management. ::)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Droo on July 24, 2013, 06:55:47 AM
There's no way U2 will have a completely different setlist every night. They don't have the musical abilities to pull it off. At best we can expect some rotating slots in the setlist.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: THRILLHO on July 24, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
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"One of our inside sources in the band's management..." okay... it seems now every single fan knows "someone" in the band's management. ::)

yea exactly. this is irritating.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: TheU2Ken on July 24, 2013, 07:43:39 AM
as long as Atlanta is one of those cities
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 24, 2013, 07:45:18 AM
I would absolutely believe that the band are excitedly proposing totally different setlists for each city.

It is definitely not going to actually *happen*.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: THRILLHO on July 24, 2013, 07:47:40 AM
I wouldn't even think they've suggested it.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: DMiTD on July 24, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
They would have to have a pretty stripped down stage set to do that. Stable, predictable set lists are important for lighting cues, video and other such programming.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: DKT on July 24, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
So, I haven't been to as many U2 tours/shows as a lot of people here (Popmart, Elevation, 360, one time each). Historically, how much do their setlists differentiate? I know for 360 there were a few rotating songs, but there a lot of the setlist seemed pretty set in stone.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Droo on July 24, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Their setlists have never really differed during a tour from what I recall. ZooTV was very predictable, with the only shakeup coming halfway through when Zooropa was released. PopMart was pretty stable throughout.

Usually there's a couple new songs that are tried a few times but subsequently dropped (Do You Feel Loved, IGWSHA, Zooropa on ZooTV, Babyface, Crumbs) or that are abandoned towards the end of the tour (All Because Of You, Ultraviolet on ZooTV, pretty much all the NLOTH songs) or that occasionally rotate in slots. The skeleton of the set usually remains very stable.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: imaginary friend on July 24, 2013, 09:49:30 AM
Are there really 1,000 people working in U2's management?

Sure seems like it, what with all these friends they have.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: braxhunt on July 24, 2013, 10:34:36 AM
I don't know that I trust all the "insider" info. Nevertheless, they could do different set lists with their abilities if they had shorter shows. If, for example, instead of a 2 hour show, they had 1.5 hour shows, they could do less songs, expend less energy and not really have to get much more of an act down than 360. They might make more money because of repeat customers and with their age (I hate to admit it) they might be able to perform better this way. As for the tech side of things, I have no idea how that works.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
The setlists tend to change more from leg to leg. If you compare the sets from early on the PopMart and 360 tours to the later legs, there actually were a good number of changes. The early ZooTV shows changed quite a bit from what we have on the Sydney DVD, which makes it all the more maddening that we didn't get a different show on the Achtung box, but that horse has been well-beaten.

I think they 'intend' to open things up more every tour, but then reality sets in. They have so many 'must-play' hits and fan-favorites that, by the time they play a good portion of the new material, they don't have that many slots left.

I think they did a fantastic job with what they put in those slots on 360. UnFire, UV, HMTM, Zooropa, Your Blue Room and Miss Sarajevo were all fantastic choices, and I expect we will get a few album cuts this time, but not a whole lot of variation from night to night.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Starman on July 24, 2013, 10:44:09 AM

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There's no way U2 will have a completely different setlist every night. They don't have the musical abilities to pull it off. At best we can expect some rotating slots in the setlist.

Exactly. Plus, with their extravagant shows, they wouldn't be able to switch the set list every night.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: ZooClothes on July 24, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
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There's no way U2 will have a completely different setlist every night. They don't have the musical abilities to pull it off. At best we can expect some rotating slots in the setlist.

Exactly. Plus, with their extravagant shows, they wouldn't be able to switch the set list every night.

Here's my hope. Arena tour, stripped down stage setup...but the kicker would be playing a full album, beginning to end, at selected stops.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on July 24, 2013, 11:15:40 AM
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I don't know that I trust all the "insider" info. Nevertheless, they could do different set lists with their abilities if they had shorter shows. If, for example, instead of a 2 hour show, they had 1.5 hour shows, they could do less songs, expend less energy and not really have to get much more of an act down than 360. They might make more money because of repeat customers and with their age (I hate to admit it) they might be able to perform better this way. As for the tech side of things, I have no idea how that works.

The idea makes sense, but for a band of their caliber with the amount of songs they have, anything less than a 2 hour show isn't acceptable.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 11:29:24 AM
this is a frequent complaint from U2 fans, myself included. I, for one, would like to see them shake it up a bit and not have a predictable setlist. On every U2 tour, you can predict all of the following:
There will be 5/6 songs off the new album.
There will be about 8 big hits from past albums, including WOWY, UTEOTW, Streets, ISHFWILF, Pride, SBS, One.
There will be a couple of songs thrown in for the dedicated fans, but it will be the same couple on each show (on 360 it was scarlett and the Unforgettable Fire, on Vertigo, it was Electric Co/An Cat Dubh)

Then, they may or may not close with "40"

I, for one, would like to see them adding 15-20 songs to their setlist to play 5-6 of them each night, for the hardcore fans. Songs like:


Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 11:30:51 AM
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I don't know that I trust all the "insider" info. Nevertheless, they could do different set lists with their abilities if they had shorter shows. If, for example, instead of a 2 hour show, they had 1.5 hour shows, they could do less songs, expend less energy and not really have to get much more of an act down than 360. They might make more money because of repeat customers and with their age (I hate to admit it) they might be able to perform better this way. As for the tech side of things, I have no idea how that works.

The idea makes sense, but for a band of their caliber with the amount of songs they have, anything less than a 2 hour show isn't acceptable.

Energy is not an issue. They will play 140-150 minutes per night on the next tour, which has been their  average for the last 20 years.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: an tha on July 24, 2013, 11:40:05 AM
Would be great to have some kind of interactive thing where at a certain point in the show the crowd vote for 3 songs from a list of ten for u2 to play on a b stage - cant see it happening though - dont know how the technology would work and cant see them being rehearsed/able enough to pull it off
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: daffi on July 24, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
i think, like what  edge said after the 360 tour:
"you cant repeat yourself, you cant rely on things that have been done before by anybody else, you just got to find new territory. and so every time we go into the studio its the same thing wer'e looking for, and every time we sit down to start talking about a live production , we ask ourselves the same question which is:" what never been done?"
i think we are going to see different things this time, but different in the music way, not in the production way (what can be bigger than the 360???). a different setlist can be one of them, playing b-sides maybe..., playing in small places , more intimacy( arenas???..).back to the roots...
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Executioner on July 24, 2013, 12:23:36 PM
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Their setlists have never really differed during a tour from what I recall. ZooTV was very predictable, with the only shakeup coming halfway through when Zooropa was released. PopMart was pretty stable throughout.

Usually there's a couple new songs that are tried a few times but subsequently dropped (Do You Feel Loved, IGWSHA, Zooropa on ZooTV, Babyface, Crumbs) or that are abandoned towards the end of the tour (All Because Of You, Ultraviolet on ZooTV, pretty much all the NLOTH songs) or that occasionally rotate in slots. The skeleton of the set usually remains very stable.
Wrong again dude,lovetown tour in 89  had multiple setlists ,and they do have the chops for it,usually they have 60 songs rehearsed before a tour and can drop any of those songs in at a moment's notice.90% of people will only see one show during a tour so changing setlists is not top of the agenda,most bands play mainly the same setlists most nights as they can nail the tunes and the gig sounds more focused ,unless your Bruce Springsteen in which case a lot of gig goers can be left scratching their heads wondering why they played 100euros to hear some obselete set consisting of album fillers and b sides.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
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this is a frequent complaint from U2 fans, myself included. I, for one, would like to see them shake it up a bit and not have a predictable setlist. On every U2 tour, you can predict all of the following:
There will be 5/6 songs off the new album.
There will be about 8 big hits from past albums, including WOWY, UTEOTW, Streets, ISHFWILF, Pride, SBS, One.
There will be a couple of songs thrown in for the dedicated fans, but it will be the same couple on each show (on 360 it was scarlett and the Unforgettable Fire, on Vertigo, it was Electric Co/An Cat Dubh)

Then, they may or may not close with "40"

I, for one, would like to see them adding 15-20 songs to their setlist to play 5-6 of them each night, for the hardcore fans. Songs like:

  • Tomorrow
  • Surrender
  • Wire
  • A sort of Homecoming
  • Three sunrises
  • Red Hill Mining Town
  • Hawkmoon 269
  • God part II
  • The Wanderer
  • So Cruel
  • Slug
  • The Saints are coming
  • Electrical Storm
  • Being Born


I'd like to see One Tree Hill played more often, too. Dirty Day would be my pick. I think Bono would, unfortunately, have a tough time pulling off many of the songs on your list, especially if this is going to be a tour of multinight stands.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: trevgreg on July 24, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
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Wrong again dude,lovetown tour in 89  had multiple setlists ,and they do have the chops for it,usually they have 60 songs rehearsed before a tour and can drop any of those songs in at a moment's notice.90% of people will only see one show during a tour so changing setlists is not top of the agenda,most bands play mainly the same setlists most nights as they can nail the tunes and the gig sounds more focused ,unless your Bruce Springsteen in which case a lot of gig goers can be left scratching their heads wondering why they played 100euros to hear some obselete set consisting of album fillers and b sides.

The other things I wonder about is whether or not the ten percent of us that go to multiple shows benefit that much in the end anyway. Who's to say all of us would want to hear So Cruel or Tomorrow at a live show? Would a lot of us even know the songs enough to sing along or give it energy that the rest of the crowd wouldn't give it anyway? Then if they did revolve most of the set list every show, what if a lot of us don't even go to consecutive shows in the end? We might get the same set list at another show we see anyway. They might end up playing one of the songs were hoping to hear the other night instead.

Then there's the question of whether or not any of these songs would even sound good in a live setting, which is probably a factor that doesn't get talked about a lot...
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: trevgreg on July 24, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
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There will be about 8 big hits from past albums, including WOWY, UTEOTW, Streets, ISHFWILF, Pride, SBS, One.

To be fair, Pride and UTEOTW have been dropped at times during the past two tours to varying degrees. Beautiful Day and Vertigo would probably be more valid choices for what you're trying to get at here.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 24, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
Contrary to how it feels, their tours have more or less gotten continuously less predictable from Zoo TV pretty much in a linear progression through to 360. So we might see that continue.

On the other hand, that's within a very narrow spectrum (They're still VERY predictable) and I think there are really two reasons for that;
1) Since PopMart to a very very small extent and since Vertigo to a much larger extent, they tend to drop newer songs as the tour goes on, opening up space for more variability, AND
2) Over time, particularly with the success of ATYCLB and HTDAAB, their catalogue of 'hits' has grown so that they can continue to play more or less the same absolute number of 'hits' as before but can rotate exactly which ones they are. (Many don't rotate, of course but others do in a way they wouldn't have when they were relatively new and U2 had less hits anyway)

That's just a thought though; as I say, it could be taken a step further next time. But probably not much more than a step.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 01:09:40 PM
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Their setlists have never really differed during a tour from what I recall. ZooTV was very predictable, with the only shakeup coming halfway through when Zooropa was released. PopMart was pretty stable throughout.

Usually there's a couple new songs that are tried a few times but subsequently dropped (Do You Feel Loved, IGWSHA, Zooropa on ZooTV, Babyface, Crumbs) or that are abandoned towards the end of the tour (All Because Of You, Ultraviolet on ZooTV, pretty much all the NLOTH songs) or that occasionally rotate in slots. The skeleton of the set usually remains very stable.
Wrong again dude,lovetown tour in 89  had multiple setlists ,and they do have the chops for it,usually they have 60 songs rehearsed before a tour and can drop any of those songs in at a moment's notice.90% of people will only see one show during a tour so changing setlists is not top of the agenda,most bands play mainly the same setlists most nights as they can nail the tunes and the gig sounds more focused ,unless your Bruce Springsteen in which case a lot of gig goers can be left scratching their heads wondering why they played 100euros to hear some obselete set consisting of album fillers and b sides.
As a lifelong fan of the boss, I couldn't disagree more. Yes - U2 did vary Lovetown (1989-90) nicely, especially the opening section, but they have not done it since. For the last 20 years, U2 has played 20-25 songs per show, and setlists are 85-90% the same songs as the previous show. Whenever I go see the Boss, I want to hear songs I have not heard him play live before, and he NEVER disappoints.

He has a great habit recently of playing an entire album from cover to cover. I, for one, love it.

Of course, there are good reasons why U2 is a better live act than Bruce, and - yes - their light shows make it harder to switch things up. But I would LOVE to hear U2 play different numbers at each show.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Inishfree on July 24, 2013, 01:10:53 PM
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There's no way U2 will have a completely different setlist every night. They don't have the musical abilities to pull it off. At best we can expect some rotating slots in the setlist.

Exactly. Plus, with their extravagant shows, they wouldn't be able to switch the set list every night.

Here's my hope. Arena tour, stripped down stage setup...but the kicker would be playing a full album, beginning to end, at selected stops.

Sounds good.  For the Mid-Atlantic region a stadium would be better.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
If people's hopes for the new tour are based mainly around set-list variation then my hopes for the next tour are somewhat different.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 01:18:32 PM
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Contrary to how it feels, their tours have more or less gotten continuously less predictable from Zoo TV pretty much in a linear progression through to 360. So we might see that continue.

On the other hand, that's within a very narrow spectrum (They're still VERY predictable) and I think there are really two reasons for that;
1) Since PopMart to a very very small extent and since Vertigo to a much larger extent, they tend to drop newer songs as the tour goes on, opening up space for more variability, AND
2) Over time, particularly with the success of ATYCLB and HTDAAB, their catalogue of 'hits' has grown so that they can continue to play more or less the same absolute number of 'hits' as before but can rotate exactly which ones they are. (Many don't rotate, of course but others do in a way they wouldn't have when they were relatively new and U2 had less hits anyway)

That's just a thought though; as I say, it could be taken a step further next time. But probably not much more than a step.

i agree with this. IWF, SBS, NYD, TUF, Pride, Streets, Desire, ISHFWILF, WOWY, IGC, Angel of Harlem, AIWIY, The Fly, Mysterious Ways, One, EBTTRT, Discotheque, HMTMKMKM, Beautiful Day, SIAM, Walk On, Elevation, Vertigo, COBL, Sometimes. That's 25 songs that EVERYONE will know at a U2 show. You could choose a setlist of 8 of the 25 each night, varying from night to night and not playing the same song twice in a row, along with a defined 8 songs from the new album, and 8 random songs from U2's catalogue, 4 of which are fan-picks a la bruce. Each show would be different, you would have to rehearse 37 songs and wing it on the 4 fan picks.

It would be a thing of beauty.

Oh, and 360 lite is the right idea. In-the-round in a small arena with 15,000-20,000 fans!!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 01:19:42 PM
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If people's hopes for the new tour are based mainly around set-list variation then my hopes for the next tour are somewhat different.


Setlist variation is only one thing I look forward to.

I am most looking forward to being utterly surprised - Like I was during Zoo TV, POPMart and 360.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 01:29:25 PM
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If people's hopes for the new tour are based mainly around set-list variation then my hopes for the next tour are somewhat different.


My top ten requests of U2 for the next tour:

1. Bono in character. Don't do something cheesy like bring back MacPhisto, but add something by being someone else
2. Edge needs to have a lead song. He hasn't sung since POPMart. 16 years. Too long.
3. Get a GREAT intro. Bono silhouetted against the EU Flag, POP Musik/MOFO, and COBL against a cityscape are all good openings. Get a really GREAT one.
4. Leave the audience singing after the show. It's a great ending. 40 was great at this. I think "soon" might do the trick also.
5. Don't listen to the fools: Get a really GREAT light show. The Fly in Chicago was a great example of how a great light show can accentuate the music. Or Until the end of the world in Sydney.
6. Bring in someone to act out a song. Don't do something cheesy like ressurrect the bellydancer from Zoo TV, but something unique and original that adds to a song.
7. Give Adam a kick-ass base line. Maybe do Bass Trap, with ONLY Adam!!
8. Do a 'storytellers' section on the B-Stage. Get down and intimate with the audience and tell the story of a song before or during the song. Springsteens "The River" on 75-85 Live album is a great example of how to do this. Gets people thinking of you as a person, not a tax-efficient star.
9. Bring on the warm up act during the encore. Play one of their songs and one of your songs.
10. Make it interactive. Have an app for audience members to select songs to be part of the encore.

And finally....don't listen to the haters......play voiceovers from Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, or whomever else is doing good on this planet
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: singnomore on July 24, 2013, 01:39:52 PM
If they don't over rely on pre-determined visuals and stage choreography then I would expect more variation


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Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
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Do a 'storytellers' section on the B-Stage. Get down and intimate with the audience and tell the story of a song before or during the song. Springsteens "The River" on 75-85 Live album is a great example of how to do this. Gets people thinking of you as a person, not a tax-efficient star.

I liked Bono's story about the band starting out and their dads lending them money during Out of Control at Slane Castle.  In fact, it was a highlight of the show for me. 
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 01:52:54 PM
My hopes for the next tour centre mainly around - Bono focussing on his vocal delivery and less on bouncing about the stage; building a new show around a great new album, both sonically and thematically; and playing arenas again in the UK.  For me, the new album and it's sound is pivotal, as is the band's live sound.  I want to be impressed by new arrangements of old standards.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: spooked1oo on July 24, 2013, 01:56:56 PM
Just needs more Pop and some new mixes of songs (I still want a dubstep mix of a Pop song).
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Schipper-ahoy on July 24, 2013, 01:57:28 PM
The only thing I wish for the next tour is that it will be announced right now! ;D ;D
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: J_Rock321 on July 24, 2013, 02:16:28 PM
I'm thinking they could release two albums before the tour mix the new songs with POP songs or whatever you want to hear and then play some b-sides (bono and edge have been thinking about this) and after a year and a half take a break  release another album and then do it all over again.

But adam mention in a rolling stone piece that IF the album caught a certain way they might consider doing stadiums
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 02:17:27 PM
I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 02:20:55 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: zootv on July 24, 2013, 02:21:53 PM
 ^ and then play the other one right after the chosen one.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 02:22:09 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 02:26:01 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.

Springsteen's and U2's choices are both difficult but for different reasons.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 02:28:38 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.

Springsteen's and U2's choices are both difficult but for different reasons.


I have been to a fair number of Springsteen shows, and I am a frequent setlist watcher. Hell, I am watching the Leeds setlist right now in another tab. He can fire off some pretty uninspired setlists with the best of them.

The act that I have seen that you truly didn't know what was about to happen next was REM. They never get credit for being a great live band, but they gave me something different every time I saw them.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Droo on July 24, 2013, 02:31:58 PM
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Wrong again dude,lovetown tour in 89  had multiple setlists ,and they do have the chops for it,usually they have 60 songs rehearsed before a tour and can drop any of those songs in at a moment's notice.90% of people will only see one show during a tour so changing setlists is not top of the agenda,most bands play mainly the same setlists most nights as they can nail the tunes and the gig sounds more focused ,unless your Bruce Springsteen in which case a lot of gig goers can be left scratching their heads wondering why they played 100euros to hear some obselete set consisting of album fillers and b sides.

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Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 02:34:50 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.
Springsteen lets them pick any song from his catalog
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 02:36:47 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.
Springsteen lets them pick any song from his catalog

But I'd wager they end up picking a usual suspect.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.
Springsteen lets them pick any song from his catalog
Like I said, be careful before deifying Bruce when it comes to setlists. Sure, fans bring any sign they want, but that doesn't mean Bruce isn't going to pick the same songs over and over again and ignore the obvious fan-favorites. Think Bono looking past 10 Dirty Day signs and picking one for In A Little While.

Bruce is great, and he certainly has his inspired moments during any given show. I don't mean to sound overly critical, but check out a Springsteen message board the next time you think people here are complaining too much about setlists. Or anything else for that matter.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 24, 2013, 02:41:26 PM
I reckon Bruce can pick out a sign with 'Waitin' On a Sunny Day' on it in a crowd of 50,000!

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 02:44:29 PM
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I reckon Bruce can pick out a sign with 'Waitin' On a Sunny Day' on it in a crowd of 50,000!



Amen, Brother! You know he can!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 03:15:57 PM
Hey, rolling stone picked this thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2s-upcoming-tour-three-fan-friendly-scenarios-20130724
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: ZooClothes on July 24, 2013, 03:19:22 PM
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Hey, rolling stone picked this thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2s-upcoming-tour-three-fan-friendly-scenarios-20130724

I still get a kick out of seeing something like this quote in the mainstream media:

""Your Blue Room" followed by "A Different Kind of Blue" and "Pete the Chop.""

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 24, 2013, 03:26:37 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.
Springsteen lets them pick any song from his catalog
Like I said, be careful before deifying Bruce when it comes to setlists. Sure, fans bring any sign they want, but that doesn't mean Bruce isn't going to pick the same songs over and over again and ignore the obvious fan-favorites. Think Bono looking past 10 Dirty Day signs and picking one for In A Little While.

Bruce is great, and he certainly has his inspired moments during any given show. I don't mean to sound overly critical, but check out a Springsteen message board the next time you think people here are complaining too much about setlists. Or anything else for that matter.
Eh, no! Bruce is FAMOUS for playing obscure songs on the fly, and he DOES shake it up night to night. Massively.

Check out the following URL's:

 http://www.setlist.fm/stats/bruce-springsteen-2bd6dcce.html?year=2013
http://www.setlist.fm/stats/u2-23d6b80f.html?year=2011

Springsteen played 179 DIFFERENT songs during the 2013 dates on the Wrecking Ball tour. Compare that to the 42 songs U2 played during the 2011 360 tour shows.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Droo on July 24, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
I would think that it's easier to perform a bunch of straightforward rock songs (which is all Springsteen does) as opposed to the effects-arama that are U2 songs, unless we want them all to be stripped down acoustic versions that bear little resemblance to the album versions.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: seashells on July 24, 2013, 03:40:48 PM
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I don't know that I trust all the "insider" info. Nevertheless, they could do different set lists with their abilities if they had shorter shows. If, for example, instead of a 2 hour show, they had 1.5 hour shows, they could do less songs, expend less energy and not really have to get much more of an act down than 360. They might make more money because of repeat customers and with their age (I hate to admit it) they might be able to perform better this way. As for the tech side of things, I have no idea how that works.

Please don't go to shorter shows.  With the ticket prices what they will probably be, the price per minute of music just went out of a reasonable range (not trying to start a "if it was ever reasonable in the first place" debate).
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Saint1322 on July 24, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
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I kind of like the idea of taking requests via the Internet or Twitter or some other means, but it would have to be done before the show and not during. No one -- least of all Bono -- wants to look up and see 20,000 people using their cell phones, unless he has made his 'Milky Way' request.

REM did something like this in 2003, but with them it was wide open. I could see U2 asking fans to pick 3 or 4 from a list of 10, as someone earlier suggested.

If U2 did something like that, they would give their fans a choice of two songs from which to pick one.  Beautiful Day or Elevation.


LOL. Springsteen would give them No Surrender or Darlington County.
Springsteen lets them pick any song from his catalog
Like I said, be careful before deifying Bruce when it comes to setlists. Sure, fans bring any sign they want, but that doesn't mean Bruce isn't going to pick the same songs over and over again and ignore the obvious fan-favorites. Think Bono looking past 10 Dirty Day signs and picking one for In A Little While.

Bruce is great, and he certainly has his inspired moments during any given show. I don't mean to sound overly critical, but check out a Springsteen message board the next time you think people here are complaining too much about setlists. Or anything else for that matter.
Eh, no! Bruce is FAMOUS for playing obscure songs on the fly, and he DOES shake it up night to night. Massively.

Check out the following URL's:

 http://www.setlist.fm/stats/bruce-springsteen-2bd6dcce.html?year=2013
http://www.setlist.fm/stats/u2-23d6b80f.html?year=2011

Springsteen played 179 DIFFERENT songs during the 2013 dates on the Wrecking Ball tour. Compare that to the 42 songs U2 played during the 2011 360 tour shows.

I see your point; believe me, I do. You have me on facts, so I am going to gracefully bow to you, but trust me when I tell you that it doesn't always FEEL that way with Bruce. That may sound insane, because you look at the stats and say 'Bruce played four times the number of songs that U2 played ...'

Speaking personally, I have been disappointed by the last two Springsteen shows I saw, but U2 blew me away with some of their choices on 360. I guess it is just a personal preference.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: andrewau2 on July 24, 2013, 06:34:25 PM
I would love varying set lists and prefer the options 2 & 3 (decades or hits/rarities). 

For ZooTV they had the multiple screens, for Popmart they had the giant screen, for Elevation they had the inner heart, for Vertigo the lcd balls, for 360 well 360.

For a varying set list for the upcoming tour, they'll need to invent a portable teleprompter for Bono to use while dancing all around.  I'm picturing those floating things from Man of Steel that were used on Krypton in the beginning.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: dwaltman on July 24, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
The only thing I hope the next tour includes are a majority of songs from the new record....and they stay on the setlist for the entire tour.  This would indicate that the record has connected, resonated, and fans want to hear it live. 
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: The Edges Cat on July 24, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
Is this based on the "six gigs in six cities" rumour?
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: TeddyTV on July 24, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
I think this could easily be resolved if Bruce and U2 just made out the others set list. I bet Bruce would pick a few good U2 rarities we haven't listed yet. I'm in Concord, NC, home of the Avett Brothers, and frequently follow their setlists. (Their cellist actually tweets a photo of each show's setlist, which is a sidebar on a band's use of social media for other threads, right?). Anyhow, TAB are more like Springsteen in that they vary setlists each night, and opposite of U2, rely very little on lights, effects, video, etc. Thus can easily plug and play songs in the setlist. At a Avett Bros. show a couple of years ago, the girl to my right got drunker and drunker, and surlier and surlier as the the show progressed. She had no use for the "new" songs, and hated any arrangement other than the original 3 band members. Meanwhile, the teens to my right knew every word to every new song, and sung them all with passion the whole show long. It was the whole U2 experience summed up at once. Who is the band building the set list for? The hardcore folks (like us) "who by now... have spent about 500 too. So thank you!" or the new and more mainstream audience?
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: trevgreg on July 24, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
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Eh, no! Bruce is FAMOUS for playing obscure songs on the fly, and he DOES shake it up night to night. Massively.

Check out the following URL's:

 http://www.setlist.fm/stats/bruce-springsteen-2bd6dcce.html?year=2013
http://www.setlist.fm/stats/u2-23d6b80f.html?year=2011

Springsteen played 179 DIFFERENT songs during the 2013 dates on the Wrecking Ball tour. Compare that to the 42 songs U2 played during the 2011 360 tour shows.

To be fair though, it seems like over half those songs Bruce played only got 1 or 2 performances. I don't know if those are the ones he took requests on or improvised with just an acoustic guitar, but even 8 or so of those songs seemed to be consistent through his shows this year.

I do wonder if most of the fans that attend his shows know most or all of the songs though. Does it even matter? Can anyone shed light on that?
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: TeddyTV on July 24, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
I saw Bruce once on the Tunnel of Love tour around '87 or so, then didn't see him again until the Magic tour, several years ago, but I have seen several shows over the past few years, mainly because he's come closer to my area more frequently.

In my experience, he's not played a lot of acoustic material, specifically for the request portion of the show. It's always been full band, and you can tell sometimes the band is working to keep up and figuring it out on the fly. Also, I don't believe (I am not a musician, so I may be wrong) the requests he selects aren't as musically complex, they're more straight-forward rock-and-roll type songs, and in many cases weren't his songs, but oldies from various eras.

Also, I saw the second or third show of the Wrecking Ball tour, and he played quite a few new songs from that album. Like U2, he subsequently dropped more of those as the tour progressed.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Starman on July 24, 2013, 11:39:42 PM

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I do wonder if most of the fans that attend his shows know most or all of the songs though. Does it even matter? Can anyone shed light on that?

Oh, we know them. ;)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: alphabetagaga on July 25, 2013, 06:30:43 AM
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Stable, predictable set lists are important for lighting cues, video and other such programming.

and also very very boring. i'd have stripped down stage sets with varied setlists/running orders over predictable setlists everytime on every tour. i'm not there for the lighting, video etc wow factor. i'm there to hear the music but i'm not there to pay 60 a ticket to stand in the audience and say 'i know what song is coming next' because the video or lighting gives it away.. if radiohead can play 2 completely different and varied sets over a couple of days at reading/leeds a few years back then u2 can do it. when they next tour i don't wanna hear all the same 'classics' i heard when i saw them on 360.

the best part of their last tour? standing on the front row at glasto and hearing them play out of control. no one knew it was coming. it was exciting. predictable is not.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: trevgreg on July 25, 2013, 07:00:53 AM
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the best part of their last tour? standing on the front row at glasto and hearing them play out of control. no one knew it was coming. it was exciting. predictable is not.

They have pulled out Out of Control for the past three tours though, right? It was never a setlist staple, but I don't know if I'd call it "unpredictable" (at least in the vein that some people on the message boards would want).

Glad you had that experience in the front row though!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: alphabetagaga on July 25, 2013, 07:08:53 AM
thing is on 360, how many times did they finish with moment of surrender, which everyone knew was coming? and out of control?
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: alphabetagaga on July 25, 2013, 07:10:17 AM
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Glad you had that experience in the front row though!

some reward for being there from 11am!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Starman on July 25, 2013, 07:14:31 AM

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thing is on 360, how many times did they finish with moment of surrender, which everyone knew was coming? and out of control?

Most of the shows ended with MoS. A handful ended with different songs (usually OOC, but in Pittsburgh they ended with Bad.)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: alphabetagaga on July 25, 2013, 07:16:20 AM
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but I don't know if I'd call it "unpredictable"

the 'unpredictable' part was not knowing it was coming! be it ooc or some other. i guess the point i'm trying to put across is to make it less obvious what is coming next  :)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Droo on July 25, 2013, 07:21:15 AM
They ended on WOWY in Winnipeg, which was unfortunate.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: alphabetagaga on July 25, 2013, 07:23:06 AM
i sympathise!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: trevgreg on July 25, 2013, 07:27:53 AM
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the 'unpredictable' part was not knowing it was coming! be it ooc or some other. i guess the point i'm trying to put across is to make it less obvious what is coming next  :)

No, I hear ya... truth be told, I had a similar reaction when they played it in Chicago in 2011! ;)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: THRILLHO on July 25, 2013, 07:48:00 AM
id rather they end with a more uptempo rocker like OOC or Vertigo or something. I'd tired of the WOWY performances and it just doesn't work as a show closer. MOS didn't either which was painfully obvious to every BUT U2, apparently.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 25, 2013, 07:54:05 AM
They will surprise us by closing with "40"

:-P
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: THRILLHO on July 25, 2013, 08:00:47 AM
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They will surprise us by closing with "40"

:-P

40 may be a Top 5 U2 song for me so i'd take THAT slower closer for sure. Just no more WOWY, One, MOS.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 25, 2013, 09:51:28 AM
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They will surprise us by closing with "40"

:-P

40 may be a Top 5 U2 song for me so i'd take THAT slower closer for sure. Just no more WOWY, One, MOS.

I love 40. But it's hardly an innovation to close with "40" after closing the WAR, Unforgettable Fire, Joshua tree, Lovetown and Vertigo tours with it.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Droo on July 25, 2013, 10:38:12 AM
I hear the crowd reaction to 40 in Moncton was far from enthusiastic, so perhaps the band will realize it's been played out and is not known by casual fans.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: singnomore on July 25, 2013, 10:54:02 AM
For me '40' is THE U2 set closer


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Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: JJJX3 on July 25, 2013, 11:04:59 AM
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I hear the crowd reaction to 40 in Moncton was far from enthusiastic, so perhaps the band will realize it's been played out and is not known by casual fans.

Even as a long time fan I think 40 is overdone as a closer.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: xy on July 25, 2013, 11:08:34 AM
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this is a frequent complaint from U2 fans, myself included. I, for one, would like to see them shake it up a bit and not have a predictable setlist. On every U2 tour, you can predict all of the following:
There will be 5/6 songs off the new album.
There will be about 8 big hits from past albums, including WOWY, UTEOTW, Streets, ISHFWILF, Pride, SBS, One.
There will be a couple of songs thrown in for the dedicated fans, but it will be the same couple on each show (on 360 it was scarlett and the Unforgettable Fire, on Vertigo, it was Electric Co/An Cat Dubh)

Then, they may or may not close with "40"

I, for one, would like to see them adding 15-20 songs to their setlist to play 5-6 of them each night, for the hardcore fans. Songs like:

  • Tomorrow
  • Surrender
  • Wire
  • A sort of Homecoming
  • Three sunrises
  • Red Hill Mining Town
  • Hawkmoon 269
  • God part II
  • The Wanderer
  • So Cruel
  • Slug
  • The Saints are coming
  • Electrical Storm
  • Being Born



What's wrong with 5/6 new songs each night ? My main hope is they don't chop off 3 new songs like 360 tour after two legs...

Hits are hits, they may rotate or play some of them less, but they won't go away.

It's interesting with the amount of less known songs on Vertigo and 360, people still complain.

And 40 hasn't been a regular closer since the 80's with the exception of several nights on Vertigo tour.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: J_Rock321 on July 25, 2013, 11:40:57 AM
They need to play these songs

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f-6sMcCG0pE  8)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=xMGV51xEzIY they were rehearsing this on 360.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JbriItBGGLM get this version right and play the full band verison.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZT9vlOFVE or play this version
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Thunder Peel on July 25, 2013, 11:58:34 AM
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For me '40' is THE U2 set closer

I agree. There are some great closers out there but for me it's had to beat "40". It's really magical, especially when the crowd sings along and really helps carry it.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: THRILLHO on July 25, 2013, 12:02:27 PM
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They will surprise us by closing with "40"

:-P

40 may be a Top 5 U2 song for me so i'd take THAT slower closer for sure. Just no more WOWY, One, MOS.

I love 40. But it's hardly an innovation to close with "40" after closing the WAR, Unforgettable Fire, Joshua tree, Lovetown and Vertigo tours with it.

Well i've never heard it live so and im not really concerned with old school tour goers thinking its overly done.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 25, 2013, 01:13:40 PM
I too want to hear "40" closing a U2 show that I attend.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: boom boom on July 25, 2013, 01:26:03 PM
I just don't see this ever happening.  They are just not good enough to pull it off.  They have difficulty enough playing the usual same old same old songs they play tour after tour.  I just can't see them play Wire and A Sort of Homecoming one night and Surrender, Seconds the next and maybe Trip Through your wires, God Part 2, Hawkmoon etc during other shows.  Maybe they should bring back Fantasy Island, then maybe our dreams could come true with variety of setlists.  Not going to happen.  We will get the same protocol as the last several tours- New songs, the usual staples, 2 rarities.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 25, 2013, 01:33:35 PM
A new U2 tour is about as exciting as a new Stones tour.  You know what you're going to get and you know that the band is going to make another fortune from it.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Executioner on July 25, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
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I just don't see this ever happening.  They are just not good enough to pull it off.  They have difficulty enough playing the usual same old same old songs they play tour after tour.  I just can't see them play Wire and A Sort of Homecoming one night and Surrender, Seconds the next and maybe Trip Through your wires, God Part 2, Hawkmoon etc during other shows.  Maybe they should bring back Fantasy Island, then maybe our dreams could come true with variety of setlists.  Not going to happen.  We will get the same protocol as the last several tours- New songs, the usual staples, 2 rarities.
That's b***ox ,they are well capable of doing it,they usually have 60 songs ready to go during a tour,and are well capable of shaking it up if they want,check the setlists from the Lovetown tour on u2 tours ,not many bands have there own stadium production ,infact no other band has,most play arenas and then hop on the festival circuit to make themselves look more popular than they actually are,if you look at recent tours by Depeche mode ,The Police,Stone roses ,the setlist was identical every night,if your playing big outdoor shows it has to be consistent ,other wise it can look unfocused and shabby,and can exclude the fans who don't know what Bono eats for breakfast.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: boom boom on July 25, 2013, 02:18:01 PM
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I just don't see this ever happening.  They are just not good enough to pull it off.  They have difficulty enough playing the usual same old same old songs they play tour after tour.  I just can't see them play Wire and A Sort of Homecoming one night and Surrender, Seconds the next and maybe Trip Through your wires, God Part 2, Hawkmoon etc during other shows.  Maybe they should bring back Fantasy Island, then maybe our dreams could come true with variety of setlists.  Not going to happen.  We will get the same protocol as the last several tours- New songs, the usual staples, 2 rarities.
That's b***ox ,they are well capable of doing it,they usually have 60 songs ready to go during a tour,and are well capable of shaking it up if they want,check the setlists from the Lovetown tour on u2 tours ,not many bands have there own stadium production ,infact no other band has,most play arenas and then hop on the festival circuit to make themselves look more popular than they actually are,if you look at recent tours by Depeche mode ,The Police,Stone roses ,the setlist was identical every night,if your playing big outdoor shows it has to be consistent ,other wise it can look unfocused and shabby,and can exclude the fans who don't know what Bono eats for breakfast.
I agree with you other bands have static setlist also, but to suggerst U2 can do what Springsteen is doing on his current tour is just absurd.  They may be capable, but maybe just lazy.  They better start rehearsing now if they are going to pull it off.  LoveTown setlist look pretty static to me.  Didn't see them pulling out songs like Surrender, seconds, Wire, I Threw a Brick through a Window, A Day withour me, Two Hearts etc. even back then, and they are going to do it now?  Like I said, maybe on Fantasy Island.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 25, 2013, 02:25:18 PM
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I just don't see this ever happening.  They are just not good enough to pull it off.  They have difficulty enough playing the usual same old same old songs they play tour after tour.  I just can't see them play Wire and A Sort of Homecoming one night and Surrender, Seconds the next and maybe Trip Through your wires, God Part 2, Hawkmoon etc during other shows.  Maybe they should bring back Fantasy Island, then maybe our dreams could come true with variety of setlists.  Not going to happen.  We will get the same protocol as the last several tours- New songs, the usual staples, 2 rarities.
I agree, not that 'they're not good enough' - they are - but that they won't. It would force them to re-think lighting, effects, etc., and to re-evaluate their audio quality. Springsteen does it - but he has 20 people backing him up, and he keeps it simple. U2 (especially Edge) likes it to be right. Right Guitar. Right sound effects. Right lighting. Right time in the show. That doesn't lend itself to having 75-100 songs in their playbook at any given time.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 25, 2013, 02:28:46 PM
Let's not forget that U2 are a more exciting live act than Springsteen despite their shortcomings, or at least they used to be.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Executioner on July 25, 2013, 02:38:45 PM
Springsteen shows can be a long boring event if your a casual fan,he doesn't do the hits and can play obscure tunes that only his hardcore fans will know,easy to shuffle setlists when you have 20 players behind you and most people don't know who is playing what,apart from max on the drums ,would like to see u2 mix it up a bit more on the next tour ,dam sure they have enough good tunes to pull it off.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 25, 2013, 02:45:29 PM
What matters most is that they get their new show right from the get-go, then they won't feel the need to change it around much or play more rarities as the tour progresses because they would have nailed it right from the start of the tour.  This all depends on the band making the right creative decisions at the pre-production and pre-tour stage, and of course on the quality of their new material.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 25, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
Okay firstly, that's a nonsensical description of Springsteen's shows. He does, in fact, do the "hits" (Basically every single show of the current tour has featured Born To Run, Dancing In The Dark, The Rising, Badlands and Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out, for instance) and no, it's really, really not "easy to shuffle setlists when you have 20 players behind you." Most would say this actually makes it rather more difficult. Oh yeah, and most Springsteen shows get rave reviews quite as much as U2's despite your "long boring event" comment. But let's move past all that;

U2 simply do not, in any way, have 60 songs ready and rehearsed during any tour. During the 360 Tour, they managed about 60 songs across the entire tour; that includes eleven songs that were played only one or two times and one-off covers like "The Auld Triangle". Hell, we can see their rehearsals; at the start of 360 they had, at absolute most, about 35 songs that they could go with. That number increased a little as the tour went on, but not dramatically.

U2 are a totally different live experience to acts like Springsteen or Pearl Jam who can flip about the setlists dramatically. It doesn't make them worse, but let's not pretend that they are the same or could do it if they wanted.

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Let's not forget that U2 are a more exciting live act than Springsteen despite their shortcomings, or at least they used to be.

Well... that's a matter of opinion. ;) My dad raves about his early club, Joshua Tree and ZooTV U2 shows but he'll still put Springsteen at Slane as his top concert of all time! But it's a moot point; it's all just personal opinion.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 25, 2013, 02:54:17 PM
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Okay firstly, that's a nonsensical description of Springsteen's shows. He does, in fact, do the "hits" (Basically every single show of the current tour has featured Born To Run, Dancing In The Dark, The Rising, Badlands and Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out, for instance) and no, it's really, really not "easy to shuffle setlists when you have 20 players behind you." Most would say this actually makes it rather more difficult. Oh yeah, and most Springsteen shows get rave reviews quite as much as U2's despite your "long boring event" comment. But let's move past all that;

I think it is easy for the likes of Springsteen or Prince because their band's are talented musicians who are drilled and drilled.

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U2 simply do not, in any way, have 60 songs ready and rehearsed during any tour. During the 360 Tour, they managed about 60 songs across the entire tour; that includes eleven songs that were played only one or two times and one-off covers like "The Auld Triangle". Hell, we can see their rehearsals; at the start of 360 they had, at absolute most, about 35 songs that they could go with. That number increased a little as the tour went on, but not dramatically.

U2 are a totally different live experience to acts like Springsteen or Pearl Jam who can flip about the setlists dramatically. It doesn't make them worse, but let's not pretend that they are the same or could do it if they wanted.

U2 could do but it would require too much effort and push them out of their comfort zone and so, quite frankly, why bother?  Their fans don't really expect them to be all that versatile.  And I agree that U2 are totally different live act to Springsteen and no worse for it.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Tumbling Dice on July 25, 2013, 03:02:32 PM
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Well... that's a matter of opinion. ;) My dad raves about his early club, Joshua Tree and ZooTV U2 shows but he'll still put Springsteen at Slane as his top concert of all time! But it's a moot point; it's all just personal opinion.

I thought you said your dad preferred U2 on 360 than on Zoo TV? 

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: HisFlyness on July 25, 2013, 03:03:31 PM
When did this thread become more about Springsteen than U2? The fandom is starting to show it's age...

Here's another good example of a band that mixes it up: Muse. On any given night they may rotate out 5-6 of their songs, and at least on the indoor leg of their most recent tour, they would throw up a roulette wheel graphic that would alternate between two songs and a "BONUS" great square for something truly rare. Sure, it's an illusion, but one that the audience got behind while cheering for their song to win the spin.

I think U2 could easily do something similar. It's a shame they didn't already do it with the Vertigo Tour spinner.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: HisFlyness on July 25, 2013, 03:04:13 PM
(It still amuses me that I'm listed as a Babyface on the forums...been a member since 2001, just haven't been active much...lol)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 25, 2013, 03:06:13 PM
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When did this thread become more about Springsteen than U2? The fandom is starting to show it's age...

Here's another good example of a band that mixes it up: Muse. On any given night they may rotate out 5-6 of their songs, and at least on the indoor leg of their most recent tour, they would throw up a roulette wheel graphic that would alternate between two songs and a "BONUS" great square for something truly rare. Sure, it's an illusion, but one that the audience got behind while cheering for their song to win the spin.

I think U2 could easily do something similar. It's a shame they didn't already do it with the Vertigo Tour spinner.
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When did this thread become more about Springsteen than U2? The fandom is starting to show it's age...

Here's another good example of a band that mixes it up: Muse. On any given night they may rotate out 5-6 of their songs, and at least on the indoor leg of their most recent tour, they would throw up a roulette wheel graphic that would alternate between two songs and a "BONUS" great square for something truly rare. Sure, it's an illusion, but one that the audience got behind while cheering for their song to win the spin.

I think U2 could easily do something similar. It's a shame they didn't already do it with the Vertigo Tour spinner.

Oy, I'm 21. :p But for what it's worth, Muse are actually fairly well known for, well, not showing that much setlist variety and having their sets quite short. More than U2, sure, but not much more; the core of their set, like U2's, is very consistent. Though they've gotten better!

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Well... that's a matter of opinion. ;) My dad raves about his early club, Joshua Tree and ZooTV U2 shows but he'll still put Springsteen at Slane as his top concert of all time! But it's a moot point; it's all just personal opinion.

I thought you said your dad preferred U2 on 360 than on Zoo TV? 



I doubt "preferred", but he ranks 360 Turin up there among his best! (Although he ranks 360 Paris quite low... c'est la vie.)
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: HisFlyness on July 25, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
Really? Because following them extensively the last year or so, I've seen songs jump all over the setlist, this whole debate with the "Trilogy/Quadrilogy of Darkness", them teasing Fury, bringing back Feeling Good, etc...seems more random than U2 has been with the exception of some 360 legs.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Starman on July 25, 2013, 03:32:28 PM
Spinning a digital wheel to choose a song to play is a neat idea.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 25, 2013, 04:13:55 PM
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Really? Because following them extensively the last year or so, I've seen songs jump all over the setlist, this whole debate with the "Trilogy/Quadrilogy of Darkness", them teasing Fury, bringing back Feeling Good, etc...seems more random than U2 has been with the exception of some 360 legs.

As I said, it varied more extensively than usual... for Muse. But not really that much in general terms. The majority of the set stayed consistent from start to end, and there were about twenty songs that were played on more than half of the tour nights; particularly telling since their sets are shorter than U2's. (Although again, longer than they used to be!) That's an improvement from The Resistance Tour, where Muse played the same total number of songs in a 130 show tour as U2 did in the first leg of 360. Basically, great band but no-one would point to Muse as an example of major daring or risk-taking in setlist variation.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Babyface1411 on July 25, 2013, 04:19:19 PM
http://www.alancross.ca/a-journal-of-musical-things/2013/7/25/deconstructing-more-crazy-u2-rumours.html
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Executioner on July 25, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
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Really? Because following them extensively the last year or so, I've seen songs jump all over the setlist, this whole debate with the "Trilogy/Quadrilogy of Darkness", them teasing Fury, bringing back Feeling Good, etc...seems more random than U2 has been with the exception of some 360 legs.

As I said, it varied more extensively than usual... for Muse. But not really that much in general terms. The majority of the set stayed consistent from start to end, and there were about twenty songs that were played on more than half of the tour nights; particularly telling since their sets are shorter than U2's. (Although again, longer than they used to be!) That's an improvement from The Resistance Tour, where Muse played the same total number of songs in a 130 show tour as U2 did in the first leg of 360. Basically, great band but no-one would point to Muse as an example of major daring or risk-taking in setlist variation.muse are sh** anyway ,prob rock boring as help,what the f##k is he singing about anyway,"we shall be victorious"it's all been done  before and better in the 70s,setlist don't matter to the 90% of fans who will only attend one show,it's just the fanatics who want them to mix it up.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: edge245 on July 26, 2013, 08:51:22 AM
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I just don't see this ever happening.  They are just not good enough to pull it off.  They have difficulty enough playing the usual same old same old songs they play tour after tour.  I just can't see them play Wire and A Sort of Homecoming one night and Surrender, Seconds the next and maybe Trip Through your wires, God Part 2, Hawkmoon etc during other shows.  Maybe they should bring back Fantasy Island, then maybe our dreams could come true with variety of setlists.  Not going to happen.  We will get the same protocol as the last several tours- New songs, the usual staples, 2 rarities.

Ever hear of the Lovetown Tour back in 1989-1990
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: edge245 on July 26, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
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A new U2 tour is about as exciting as a new Stones tour.  You know what you're going to get and you know that the band is going to make another fortune from it.

                Playing old rare songs is nice, but I think the most exciting thing for long time fans of U2 is the new music and hearing that new music live. What U2 do far better than the Stones or Springsteen is produce new exciting fantastic music and play it great live.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: JJJX3 on July 26, 2013, 09:09:29 AM
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I just don't see this ever happening.  They are just not good enough to pull it off.  They have difficulty enough playing the usual same old same old songs they play tour after tour.  I just can't see them play Wire and A Sort of Homecoming one night and Surrender, Seconds the next and maybe Trip Through your wires, God Part 2, Hawkmoon etc during other shows.  Maybe they should bring back Fantasy Island, then maybe our dreams could come true with variety of setlists.  Not going to happen.  We will get the same protocol as the last several tours- New songs, the usual staples, 2 rarities.

Ever hear of the Lovetown Tour back in 1989-1990

Yes they shuffled around the running order of a limited number of songs on that tour.

It's hardly pearl jam or Springsteen. In fact there was less variation of set lists than on 360 for example.

38 different songs played.

360 had 61.

U2gigs.com is your friend !
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: wik73 on July 26, 2013, 10:01:36 AM
I agree with edge 245. Hearing new music live is what makes U2 exciting. I love Springsteen but U2 put on a very different type of show that is choreographed uses technology to relay part of the message. Springsteen is just music with little add ons to the experience.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: trlica on July 26, 2013, 10:22:08 AM
I am sorry if this link has been already posted...

http://www.u2interference.com/15820-u2s-eternal-tour-from-heinz-field-to-possible-2014-dates/
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Starman on July 26, 2013, 11:22:01 AM
For the record, Bono only did a snippet of 40 in Piitsburgh. They didn't play it.

Wow, that was 2 years ago today!

Anyways, if they become "eternal tourers", they will have a new tour each time they go out on the road, like the Stones.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: THRILLHO on July 26, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
Great read, i find it odd in the list of old-"rage" rockers <as they call them> the list excludes Aerosmith, which is surely on par with the Stones/Dylan/McCartney.

Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: codeguy on July 26, 2013, 12:54:12 PM
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I am sorry if this link has been already posted...

http://www.u2interference.com/15820-u2s-eternal-tour-from-heinz-field-to-possible-2014-dates/
The Eternal Tour. What a great name!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: miryclay on July 26, 2013, 04:02:31 PM
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Hey, rolling stone picked this thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2s-upcoming-tour-three-fan-friendly-scenarios-20130724


great know we all have a degree of separation to

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev


It is bad enough Bono is associated with that piece of toilet paper.
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: mdmomof7 on July 26, 2013, 05:50:44 PM
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For the record, Bono only did a snippet of 40 in Piitsburgh. They didn't play it.

Wow, that was 2 years ago today!
Anyways, if they become "eternal tourers", they will have a new tour each time they go out on the road, like the Stones.

Indeed! What a night!!
Title: Re: rumor: tour in arenas and different set lists
Post by: Bonostwin27 on July 26, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
So this rumor has been debunked by the edges cousin Ciara Lawrence.