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Title: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 14, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
U2 arrived on the music scene with energy emotion and a determination to be heard ls there still love here for the explosive post punk era of U2 ?
Boy ,Oct ,War rarely get the love they deserve .
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=pCNkScoIRig

I think there was a lot of magical momments.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=squgHeyNkHo
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: marvgadgie on June 15, 2014, 03:01:07 AM
Along with the initial punk explosion, the late 70's early 80's is my favourite era of music, never mind just U2 wise.
I often think if U2 had split after October, as we are told they nearly did, Boy would be considered a lost new wave/post punk classic.
I consider it so anyway.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: singnomore on June 15, 2014, 06:21:57 AM
80's U2 is my favourite era
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 15, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
What puzzles me about that era is when a post punk best of list comes out you will see Joy Division , Echo and the bunnymen, The Cure (etc) but no U2 it's as if they were never apart of that scene. The songs on U2's first 3 record's can match anything those bands have put out not to mention their earlier material The Fool, Another Day, Street Mission, Life on distant planet. The energy ,pureness ,and rawness of those early records keep me coming back to them.
I loved during the Vertigo tour how they played the early stuff again ,Out of Control at Glastonbury was a favorite. I hope during the next tour U2 will play more from their post punk catalog songs like A day without me, Twilight, Rejoice,Tomorrow,Like a song,Drowning man (etc). Here are some rarities from that incredible period.


http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=V85jsITgStI
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=LFPuOBJg3f4
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: smee on June 15, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
I <3 the first three albums. As a trio.....i probably list theses as being the albums that evoke the most pleasant and special memories of being a u2 fan
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Edgedisciple on June 15, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
I wish they would go back to the rawness of Boy and October for the new record, especially for what concerns the guitar. To me they would need something like that to hit big again. But it won't happen...
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: 2_Shots_Of_Lemon on June 15, 2014, 09:47:11 PM
Those first three albums are still very much loved by me. It's hard to think why those albums haven't gotten the attention they deserve.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Dali on June 15, 2014, 11:22:25 PM
What if U2 would make a post punk record today? After all, post punk has evolved as a style, too. It certainly would alienate a few of their pop fans for being too harsh and it wouldn't get them onto the radio. But the critics and the readers of music magazines (and their online alternatives) would probably praise it as a long-awaited return to form. U2 might even have the guts to try it - but would they have what it takes to be this raw again? You never know until you try, or so the saying goes. The concept of the "Man" album with Steve Lillywhite producing is there for the taking. Will U2 take this bait? I guess not because they still believe in "radio friendliness".
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 15, 2014, 11:47:27 PM
Bono said something to the effect after Zoo tv" that U2 from here on out would be an audio visual band " while I enjoyed Zoo tv and Pop MART and all, some of the rawness from the post punk era was lost because to put on shows of that magnitude you have to be in perfect time to match what's going on visually.
From the Boy tour to Love Town U2 was known for being a minimalist band live, all energy was put on performance sure there were timing flaws and stuff but it was heart on your sleeve rock n roll. In From the sky Down they mentioned how physically and mentally draining that kind of performing was, but it's been 24 + years since that type of performance I think a back to basics type tour would do the band some good.Drop the visuals and bring back the energy.
Believe it or not in the early 80 's you would hear a steady flow of U2's post punk music on USA radio. Gloria , New year's day ,Two hearts , and Sunday were regular staples on Mtv.They would have no problem getting on todays radio with great songs like that.

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=YZxJHS85mlA
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: imaginary friend on June 16, 2014, 07:04:48 AM
Say something once, why say it again?
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: THRILLHO on June 16, 2014, 08:05:45 AM
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Bono said something to the effect after Zoo tv" that U2 from here on out would be an audio visual band " while I enjoyed Zoo tv and Pop MART and all, some of the rawness from the post punk era was lost because to put on shows of that magnitude you have to be in perfect time to match what's going on visually.
From the Boy tour to Love Town U2 was known for being a minimalist band live, all energy was put on performance sure there were timing flaws and stuff but it was heart on your sleeve rock n roll. In From the sky Down they mentioned how physically and mentally draining that kind of performing was, but it's been 24 + years since that type of performance I think a back to basics type tour would do the band some good.Drop the visuals and bring back the energy.
Believe it or not in the early 80 's you would hear a steady flow of U2's post punk music on USA radio. Gloria , New year's day ,Two hearts , and Sunday were regular staples on Mtv.They would have no problem getting on todays radio with great songs like that.

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=YZxJHS85mlA

that's what they did with Elevation, more or less. Some visuals but not the bombastic in your faceness of Zoo/Popmart
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 16, 2014, 01:11:33 PM
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What puzzles me about that era is when a post punk best of list comes out you will see Joy Division , Echo and the bunnymen, The Cure (etc) but no U2 it's as if they were never apart of that scene. The songs on U2's first 3 record's can match anything those bands have put out not to mention their earlier material The Fool, Another Day, Street Mission, Life on distant planet. The energy ,pureness ,and rawness of those early records keep me coming back to them.
I loved during the Vertigo tour how they played the early stuff again ,Out of Control at Glastonbury was a favorite. I hope during the next tour U2 will play more from their post punk catalog songs like A day without me, Twilight, Rejoice,Tomorrow,Like a song,Drowning man (etc). Here are some rarities from that incredible period.


http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=V85jsITgStI
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=LFPuOBJg3f4

The issue, I think, is that U2 basically completely abandoned that genre as of the Joshua Tree, if not earlier.  The other bands you mentioned, except maybe the Cure, stayed basically in the same wheelhouse in which they started. U2 was never content to do that, and are basically much better known for what they did after that era.

Also, I do wonder if U2's overt spirituality set them apart, making them practically a "Christian Rock Band" to many at the time.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 16, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
I wasn't implying U2 totally go back to the post punk genre , I have enjoyed U2's evolution but  I think some of that energy & simplistic rawness would be a (re) welcome change. It's funny but most non U2 fans or casual fans mention really liking their earliest material.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=OA_4O4cexXc
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Johnny_Mac12 on June 16, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
I don't think they could pull off a show with little to no visuals. Back then, Bono used to climb walls and do all kinds of crazy things to engage the fans. They are older now and can't move around like they used to. They need the visuals in order to project the energy. Don't get me wrong, that show would still be good since the music is there. It just wouldn't be the top notch performance that we've come to expect from them.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 16, 2014, 10:27:20 PM
Good point Johny Mac12 ,but If I remember during the Vertigo tour when they performed Electric co and In cat Dubh the cover of Boy was all that was on screen and it was a high point of the show for me . The small promotional tour for NLOTH didn't have any visuals either and Breathe in particular was grand. But perhaps your right maybe they need visuals now.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=2apDOD9-xsk
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: An Cat Dubh on June 16, 2014, 10:52:56 PM
Boy and War are my 4th and 5th favorite albums after Pop and Achtung Baby. My second favorite era and the only bootlegs I listen to are ones from 1979-1983.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: THRILLHO on June 16, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
mind if i ask what shows from 79 u have?
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 16, 2014, 11:08:09 PM
Those are great bootlegs to have Zoost a favorite of mine is the 83 BBC broadcast. I hope this next tour they pull out more post punk era material and play them ferociously like I know they still can. Here's a version of 11o clock in 2000 the beginning is played way to slow but when they get to Edges melodic solo it starts to pick up nicely.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=s6CLfQnOGK4
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Droo on June 17, 2014, 10:22:19 AM
October is the only very early U2 album I listen to with any frequency, and even then it's not much. I certainly have very positive feelings for particular songs from all three releases, but I don't have the urge to listen to them as albums the way I do with their 90s work and even ATYCLB and NLOTH.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: mdmomof7 on June 17, 2014, 10:54:55 AM
War is definitely a favorite. So, there's LOVE. :)
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 17, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
I think WAR is a classic U2 record. Kudos to Steve Lillywhite' s excellent production Larry's drums & Adams bass sound killer, Bono really pushed himself on that record and I think for Edge it was the first time he used distortion but it wasn't overkill his tone was just right.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=HTzsEd2BrFI
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 21, 2014, 10:35:48 PM
Any love for Cartoon World ?
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=HtxUQKHPb14

 I got a fever and the only cure is more cowbell .
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Poswatz on June 22, 2014, 01:55:45 PM
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Say something once, why say it again?

All 3 albums had a level of emotional energy that was amazing. It truly was what set them apart at the time.

NO ONE sounded like they did.

What sets punk and post-punk off is its connection to the emotions, to the energy. It really has nothing to do with the technique used to make the sound the way the instruments are played, or the lyrics sung.

I just don't know if ANY 53-year-olds I know have that same kind of emotional energy - raw, vulnerable, confused, frustrated.  Just living to this age alternatively knocks the stuffing out of everyone AND evens out the emotional upheavals, like planing and sanding wood to a smooth finish. I'm sure that they are not the exception to the rule.

Since ATYCLB, U2's been almost ALL about the technique, and the craft, because that's what they have left. All the stuff they tapped into in the first 20 years is all smoothed out.

In order to go in a new direction, they'll need to acknowledge and tap into the authentic emotion they have NOW.

All around me, our generation is beginning to see new pain: loss of older parents or siblings, fear of aging and the vulnerability that "losing it" holds, fear of being exploited or uncared for by our children, the way love changes and can feel stifling; the list goes on.

There is also new JOY: grandchildren, the freedom to redefine and grow, the ability to see both backwards into youth and forward into old age, a new awareness of the spiritual and how we fit into the world... but it never has to be status quo. It doesn't have to be boring.

When I was a kid, middle age seemed to be so boring, so lifeless and dull. Now that I'm here, It's both frightening and incredibly promising. If they can harness that, and put it to music, whether it sounds post-punk or not will be immaterial. It will simply be them back on their game again.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: an tha on June 22, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
I wouldn't be adverse to u2 returning to a more straight up 3 piece sound on the next record. Melodic edge guitar with a rougher edge

Over production has been the enemy of their last records - they aren't going to create the sonic landscape of their 90s work, where it was experimental sounds complementing their traditional sound, and the overly polished softened sound of their 00s work is just too nice and safe for me with too many pop flourishes. Larrys drums have been pushed back in the mix too much and been too soft, Adams bass more often than not not propulsive enough.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: marvgadgie on June 22, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
If you doubt what we are saying here just watch the Red Rocks VHS/DVD. You will see what we mean.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: imaginary friend on June 22, 2014, 05:14:08 PM
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Post by: ZooClothes on June 22, 2014, 05:19:09 PM
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On Bono's birthday no less.....RSO was too busy basking in the indulgences of disco at that time.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Velvet Dress on June 22, 2014, 09:16:06 PM
I go back to the first three over and over again for their sheer heart-on-sleeve power.   They hold nothing back.   Not only do they lack finesse, what is expressed is fairly unoriginal.   But it is honest.   And therefore never trite.   I can't think of anyone that stands as naked in their songs as Bono does on October (the album), for example.   Not always pretty, but it's unfailingly compelling.

If they get back half that searing honesty on the next album, it will convert me all over again.

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In order to go in a new direction, they'll need to acknowledge and tap into the authentic emotion they have NOW.

All around me, our generation is beginning to see new pain: loss of older parents or siblings, fear of aging and the vulnerability that "losing it" holds, fear of being exploited or uncared for by our children, the way love changes and can feel stifling; the list goes on.

There is also new JOY: grandchildren, the freedom to redefine and grow, the ability to see both backwards into youth and forward into old age, a new awareness of the spiritual and how we fit into the world... but it never has to be status quo. It doesn't have to be boring.

When I was a kid, middle age seemed to be so boring, so lifeless and dull. Now that I'm here, It's both frightening and incredibly promising. If they can harness that, and put it to music, whether it sounds post-punk or not will be immaterial. It will simply be them back on their game again.

Couldn't agree more.

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Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on June 22, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
Podwatz, those are really strong points I totaly agree with you. The first 3 albums are very special even though they lack technique, in those days post punk bands like Joy Division ,Echo and the bunnymen ,Psychadelic furs, Gang of four (etc) just went for it with pure energy an emotion. I think what set U2 apart was The Edges sound and Bono's lyrics even though they were simplistic they contained deep spiritual truth.

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=k__BjW53eDQ
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Dali on July 01, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
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Say something once, why say it again?

All 3 albums had a level of emotional energy that was amazing. It truly was what set them apart at the time.

NO ONE sounded like they did.

What sets punk and post-punk off is its connection to the emotions, to the energy. It really has nothing to do with the technique used to make the sound the way the instruments are played, or the lyrics sung.

I just don't know if ANY 53-year-olds I know have that same kind of emotional energy - raw, vulnerable, confused, frustrated.  Just living to this age alternatively knocks the stuffing out of everyone AND evens out the emotional upheavals, like planing and sanding wood to a smooth finish. I'm sure that they are not the exception to the rule.

Since ATYCLB, U2's been almost ALL about the technique, and the craft, because that's what they have left. All the stuff they tapped into in the first 20 years is all smoothed out.

In order to go in a new direction, they'll need to acknowledge and tap into the authentic emotion they have NOW.

Great posting. It's just that radio stations don't want to play this kind of "raw emotion" anymore because it detracts from the commercials. That's why blandness rules the airwaves these days.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on July 06, 2014, 11:23:35 PM
Does anyone have this full version of U2 performing Rejoice on TV ?

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=Rgwt_eW3PCE

It's a favorite of mine from OCTOBER.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: bondylan on July 17, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
Some great lyrics from the era IMHO.

"Life through a window a discolored pane
Mrs Brown's washing is always the same
I walk the sweet rain tragic comedy
I'll walk home again to the street melody"


"We asked him to smile for a photograph
we waited awhile to see if we could make him laugh
the soilder asked me for a ciggerate his smiling face I can't forget
He looked at me across the street but that's a long way here"


"The city's a fire a passionate flame
That knows be my name
The city's desire to take me for more and more
It's in the street getting under my feet
It's everywhere I look for you
It's in the things I do and say
If I want to live
Gotta die to myself someday"


Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Parsons on September 30, 2014, 07:47:48 PM
Glad to see the band return to this genre somewhat, I love the energy!
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: BalconyTV on September 30, 2014, 08:54:11 PM
I kinda cringe when Bono goes on about U2 starting off as a punk rock band. I dont think they ever were really that. I think what he should be saying is we came from an era of punk.

Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: lucas.homem on September 30, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
I love this era. Their pre-Boy stuff is incredible too. Street Mission has one of the best solos of Edge's career.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: lucas.homem on September 30, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
The Fool is awesome too.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Parsons on September 30, 2014, 10:51:41 PM
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I love this era. Their pre-Boy stuff is incredible too. Street Mission has one of the best solos of Edge's career.s

+1
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: SlyDanner on October 01, 2014, 12:24:32 AM
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I kinda cringe when Bono goes on about U2 starting off as a punk rock band. I dont think they ever were really that. I think what he should be saying is we came from an era of punk.

Yes exactly.  I don't understand why the term punk is used by anyone when describing U2, including in this thread. 

Bono thinks an association with punk makes him and U2 more cool.  He is wrong.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: lucas.homem on October 01, 2014, 05:03:35 AM
Wait! Let's stick to the facts:

1) U2 were a punk band? Maybe between 1976 and 1978, when the band was encouraged by punk rock, meanly because that's what they were able to play. However, The Hype used to cover non-punk bands too, because they had different influences (Bowie, Eagles, Beach Boys etc).

2) when they emerged as U2 itself, in 78, they were definitely pos-punk.

3) but Bono clearly understands punk as more than music and, in his understanding, they acted like a punk band and sometimes they still are like that.


But I agree it's embarassing when he says U2 are punk.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: soloyan on October 01, 2014, 05:57:24 AM
You have to love the raw energy of the 1980-1983 bootlegs. There are many good sounboards from that era, they sound extraordinary and yet, very down to earth. They really were a live machine back then. And, mind you : no click track !
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Mr. Sarajevo 20 on October 03, 2014, 12:14:19 PM
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You have to love the raw energy of the 1980-1983 bootlegs. There are many good sounboards from that era, they sound extraordinary and yet, very down to earth. They really were a live machine back then. And, mind you : no click track !
Or Lawless.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: _acrobat on October 03, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
Post-punk is my definitely one if, if not my, favorite genre; but U2's output, while very good, isn't that spectacular. They wrote some great songs but apart from maybe Boy I really wouldn't rank any of their albums that highly on a post-punk list.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Parsons on May 30, 2015, 10:08:38 PM
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Post-punk is my definitely one if, if not my, favorite genre; but U2's output, while very good, isn't that spectacular. They wrote some great songs but apart from maybe Boy I really wouldn't rank any of their albums that highly on a post-punk list.

**BUMP**
I will have to strongly disagree here, as the new tour and the ROXY performance have clearly testified those early songs are strong enough to hold there own.
I'm so happy the band is reviving that long lost era.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: zimbo on May 30, 2015, 10:16:26 PM
Energy , passion ,youthful vigor what more could anyone ask ?
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: shanep on May 30, 2015, 11:50:30 PM
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What puzzles me about that era is when a post punk best of list comes out you will see Joy Division , Echo and the bunnymen, The Cure (etc) but no U2 it's as if they were never apart of that scene. The songs on U2's first 3 record's can match anything those bands have put out not to mention their earlier material The Fool, Another Day, Street Mission, Life on distant planet. The energy ,pureness ,and rawness of those early records keep me coming back to them.

It's probably because U2 transcended that scene in ways those other bands never did. So in a way, U2 was never truly confined to any scene. It's likely much to do with why many of those other bands disliked U2 so much too.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Parsons on May 31, 2015, 12:23:22 AM
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What puzzles me about that era is when a post punk best of list comes out you will see Joy Division , Echo and the bunnymen, The Cure (etc) but no U2 it's as if they were never apart of that scene. The songs on U2's first 3 record's can match anything those bands have put out not to mention their earlier material The Fool, Another Day, Street Mission, Life on distant planet. The energy ,pureness ,and rawness of those early records keep me coming back to them.

It's probably because U2 transcended that scene in ways those other bands never did. So in a way, U2 was never truly confined to any scene. It's likely much to do with why many of those other bands disliked U2 so much too.

Yes U2 left their contemporaries in the dust and I think most of them were jealous of their
fire/ desire , and disliked their message of LOVE and spirituality.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: markreed on May 31, 2015, 07:00:51 AM
I don't think it's anything like that at all. U2 started in a post-punk world, but to call them postpunk would be to put them in a genre they probably didn't want to be in, and over time, they made it fairly obviously they wanted to be a big rock band, and that was the ambition, far ore than being 'postpunk'. If they'd split up in 1983 hardly anyone would be tha bothered now about them, and they would struggle to play 2,000-3,000 capacity venues if they did a reunion tour.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Parsons on May 31, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
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I don't think it's anything like that at all. U2 started in a post-punk world, but to call them postpunk would be to put them in a genre they probably didn't want to be in, and over time, they made it fairly obviously they wanted to be a big rock band, and that was the ambition, far ore than being 'postpunk'. If they'd split up in 1983 hardly anyone would be tha bothered now about them, and they would struggle to play 2,000-3,000 capacity venues if they did a reunion tour.

I don't think anyone here is calling U2 a post punk band ,we're just acknowledging the fact that it was the genera they came out of and one they are currently revisiting (to a certain degree).
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Jswallow on May 31, 2015, 11:39:51 AM
Volcano is the nearest theyve sounded to post punk U2,,  I can also hear Siouxie & the banshees in that song,, & The end when Edge is on piano sounds like it could of been on October or War,,  Hope Volcano is the direction they are going for SOE,, just a pity they havnt played it on tour yet !!
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: Jswallow on May 31, 2015, 11:42:24 AM
Sorry i meant the piano on the end of Raised by wolves ;-)
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: THRILLHO on May 31, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
i think Volcano and RBW sound War-era to me in the way The Troubles and SLABT sound Pop-era
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: miryclay on May 31, 2015, 06:50:36 PM
Maybe the Troubles is asking to be orchestrated like Velvet Dress.
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: zimbo on June 01, 2015, 06:38:19 PM
I LOVE the post punk energy they have right now, i hope they put it on the new record reminds me of THE ALARM , BUNNYMEN , BANSHEES !
Title: Re: Post Punk U2
Post by: miryclay on June 02, 2015, 07:48:39 PM
Volcano deserves a live non-studio airing. It could be just as good as Love and Peace which also got better when played live.