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Title: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: wildgirl on December 05, 2014, 08:10:57 AM
Hello,

So far, from the announces categories: http://www.billboard.com/articles/6363565/grammys-2015-nominations-57th-annual

No best rock song or record of the year nomination.

Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: HolyHandGrenade on December 05, 2014, 08:42:03 AM
The nominations are absolute trash this year, it's so frustrating.

...yay for U2. Royal Blood was cheated out of a nom; I like the other nominees but some of them are just awards darlings/magnets.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: mdmomof7 on December 05, 2014, 09:33:06 AM
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The nominations are absolute trash this year, it's so frustrating.

...yay for U2. Royal Blood was cheated out of a nom; I like the other nominees but some of them are just awards darlings/magnets.

Definitely cheated!
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: kps88 on December 05, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
Those nominations for record of the year are really something else....
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: lucas.homem on December 05, 2014, 09:43:49 AM
I can't say I heard any of the record of the year nominees, so whatever.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: U2 since 82 on December 05, 2014, 09:54:00 AM
One Direction fans can't believe their idols didn't get a Grammy nod. lol

As for U2 - let the twitter trashing begin - one guy has already posted the now very boring and tiresome: "best album forced on the entire world" category. Yawn.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Miami66 on December 05, 2014, 12:27:10 PM
U2 should win this. I think BK are their biggest competition. Hopefully they'll get nominated (and win) for AOTY too. I'd like them to win another Grammy. It does a lot for their spirits it seems :)
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: TheU2Ken on December 05, 2014, 12:31:50 PM
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U2 should win this. I think BK are their biggest competition. Hopefully they'll get nominated (and win) for AOTY too. I'd like them to win another Grammy. It does a lot for their spirits it seems :)
+1
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Jono on December 05, 2014, 01:32:31 PM
99.9% U2 with out a doubt. Biases aside of course! :)
Glad they were nominated, deservedly so...have taken over the 3rd slot on my personal favorite U2 albums. Top 5>JT, AB, SOI, ATYCLB, UF
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Starman on December 05, 2014, 05:46:30 PM
The Grammys can go f**k themselves. I hardly think that music actually matters to them. They really don't mean anything to me, but it's still annoying to see them only nominated once. They're not even nominated for Original Song From a Film (I forget what the category's actually called) for Ordinary Love!!
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: zeeTV on December 05, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
WOW those record of year nominees are frightening. To think Queen Madge was once nominated in this category..
 Its become complete trash. Beyonce should've been nominated. Its a sad day for music when likes of Iggy Azeaylia or whatever and Taylor Awkward smith gets rewarded for craptastic plastic music. 1D are probs more deserving... ???

God... I am terrified about Album of year nominations if this is the standard.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Starman on December 05, 2014, 06:00:11 PM
I think it's safe to say they won't be nominated for Album of the Year.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: lucas.homem on December 05, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
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I can't say I heard any of the record of the year nominees, so whatever.

Actually, I listened to them. I like Fancy. I'm meh about the rest.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: BalconyTV on December 05, 2014, 07:00:01 PM
They will see 1 nomination as a disappointment surely?
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: boom boom on December 05, 2014, 07:25:42 PM
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They will see 1 nomination as a disappointment surely?
I agree.  They took lots of time and delayed the album again and again to come up with what they thought would at least challenge for Album of the Year in the overall category and not just the rock.  If that is all it gets it just equals NLOTH as that also got nominated for best rock album but did not win.  They cannot be too pleased.  I really think they blew it and misjudged with Miracle being the first single.  EBW or The Troubles should have been.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on December 05, 2014, 07:40:44 PM
Here were their submissions (from http://popdust.com/2014/10/18/grammy-awards-2015-submissions-list/)

U2
The Miracle (Of Joey Ramone) ROY, SOY, Rock Perf, Rock Song
Ordinary Love Song/Visual Media
Invisible (Red) Music Vid
Songs Of Innocence AOY, Rock Album

Honestly, we knew AOY wasn't happening and The Miracle is not as strong as the entire album.  Honestly, it makes sense that they were nominated in 1 category.  There were 62 bands that submitted something in the rock category, including 34 submissions for Rock Album of the Year.  They got the benefit of bands not being able to submit in both the Alt album of the year and Rock album of the year, or they would be competing against Jack White and Arcade Fire.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Fastcars12 on December 05, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
Achtung Baby didn't win album of the year. That's all you need to know about the grammys.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: The Unknown Caller on December 05, 2014, 08:39:31 PM
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They will see 1 nomination as a disappointment surely?
I agree.  They took lots of time and delayed the album again and again to come up with what they thought would at least challenge for Album of the Year in the overall category and not just the rock.  If that is all it gets it just equals NLOTH as that also got nominated for best rock album but did not win.  They cannot be too pleased.  I really think they blew it and misjudged with Miracle being the first single.  EBW or The Troubles should have been.

EBW maybe. I continue to think The Miracle was a pretty strong choice for first single and that The Troubles would be a disastrously bad choice for a single even if it's a great song.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: zeeTV on December 05, 2014, 08:41:16 PM
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Achtung Baby didn't win album of the year. That's all you need to know about the grammys.
Couldn't have put it better. Grammeys are based on which level of sex sells more.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: The Unknown Caller on December 05, 2014, 08:52:24 PM
The following two things can both simultaneously be true - and, I think, are;

1) The Grammy's are a terrible indicator of quality
2) U2 care a lot about them and will probably be disappointed by this showing, especially given they specifically did the vinyl stunt to be eligible
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: fardreamer on December 05, 2014, 09:29:19 PM
Who cares about the Grammys?

Meaningless award show is meaningless.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: vertigofly40 on December 05, 2014, 09:43:17 PM
I don't think the Grammy Awards mean much, but I assume that U2 do.  I think the album is great and I assume the 30 million who downloaded the album thought it was good too.  If they are hurt by the Grammy snub, maybe it'll push them to get Songs of Experience out sooner. 
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: mdmomof7 on December 05, 2014, 10:45:05 PM
What can happen for U2 Grammy noms wise next year? Anything?

Beck is up for both AOY and RAOY. Hmmmm...
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: jick on December 06, 2014, 01:38:35 AM
Here's my theory which is based on pure conjecture:

U2's marketing did not anymore push for Grammy nominations (aka they did not need to "pay off" the ones in the Grammy list) because:
-Bono is injured and U2 won't appear in the Grammies

-they are not making any public performances in the near future so they have basically decided to halt album promotions

-the tour is in small venues and it's indoors so it will sellout on its own and won't need any Grammy-win boost

-next year might be a more opportune time to buy (er.. I mean "win) some Grammies perhaps with one of the album songs winning Song or Record of the Year because by then people will have been talking about how great the tour is, how hard it is to get tour tickets, and how the album has good songs while they would have distanced themselves from the controversial release of the album.  Right now, the album is still tied up to the controversial release, Bono is injured, and there is no benefit in winning it all

They might not even win rock album of the year. That might go to Beck since he is nominated for album of the year.

Cheers,

J


Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on December 06, 2014, 01:57:03 AM
I would be alright with Beck or U2 winning this.

Then again, grammys have no relevance anymore.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Fastcars12 on December 06, 2014, 05:45:15 AM


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The following two things can both simultaneously be true - and, I think, are;

1) The Grammy's are a terrible indicator of quality
2) U2 care a lot about them and will probably be disappointed by this showing, especially given they specifically did the vinyl stunt to be eligible


You're probably correct with #2. I wish they were more like Pearl Jam when it comes to this stuff.  Pearl Jam basically called them out in public and I agree with them. Awarding art is subjective. People get way to hung up on this stuff.

I'm still going to enjoy SOI and see U2 next year and have an amazing time doing so. A bunch of music industry insiders aren't going to change that for me.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Edgedisciple on December 06, 2014, 05:55:26 AM
Snubbed for Album of the Year. Oh, well...
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: U2Fan on December 06, 2014, 06:57:43 AM
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Snubbed for Album of the Year. Oh, well...

Payback for performing the mediocre GOYB at the 2009 Grammys.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Edgedisciple on December 06, 2014, 07:01:05 AM

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Snubbed for Album of the Year. Oh, well...

Payback for performing the mediocre GOYB at the 2009 Grammys.
Lol
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Starman on December 06, 2014, 10:09:16 AM
Part of me kind of wishes they would have waited until next year instead of pushing the vinyl out for Grammy eligibility.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: ecadad on December 06, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
Maybe Songs of Experience will be out in time for the next Grammys  8)
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: boom boom on December 07, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
U2 must feel very discouraged right now being blanked out in the major 3 categories and just getting the single nomination in the Rock Album category.  I say that they might be discouraged because in spite taking a long time to make this album with delay after delay and working with new so call modern producers (DM, Ryan Tedder and Paul Eptworth) to come with with strong melodies they still got shut for the top 3 categories and just equaled NLOTH as it also got Rock Album nominated but did not win.  I know Gammys don't mean anything, but we all know to U2 it does very much as they have said before as it shows that you are being recognized for you current work.  We can only hope they don't try to disown and distance themselves from this album even before the tour starts as this is a very good album despite what the grammys think.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Edgedisciple on December 07, 2014, 01:29:35 PM
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U2 must feel very discouraged right now being blanked out in the major 3 categories and just getting the single nomination in the Rock Album category.  I say that they might be discouraged because in spite taking a long time to make this album with delay after delay and working with new so call modern producers (DM, Ryan Tedder and Paul Eptworth) to come with with strong melodies they still got shut for the top 3 categories and just equaled NLOTH as it also got Rock Album nominated but did not win.  I know Gammys don't mean anything, but we all know to U2 it does very much as they have said before as it shows that you are being recognized for you current work.  We can only hope they don't try to disown and distance themselves from this album even before the tour starts as this is a very good album despite what the grammys think.
From their perspective, since it seems that they've always given importance to the Grammies, it's a failure. But who cares anyway. They don't mean anything and they shouldn't be bothered by them. Just take a look at the nominees: apart from Beck (which I don't like, but I recognize his artistry) there's nothing to see.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Starman on December 07, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
I wish they would take the "f**k the Grammys" approach like Pearl Jam and Trent Reznor (funny enough, Trent is actually nominated for a Grammy this year).
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: The Unknown Caller on December 07, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
I think they were basically spoiled by HTDAAB. But HTDAAB never deserved most of the grammys it won; it won them because they had been denied recognition when they did deserve it so often beforehand.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: ultraviolet5555 on December 07, 2014, 02:21:37 PM
Yes, all of the awards that came with HTDAAB seemed to be more about lifetime achievement rather than for the actual work.  How "Bomb" won album of the year when "Achtung Baby" did not, is beyond me...
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Miami66 on December 07, 2014, 07:27:16 PM
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Yes, all of the awards that came with HTDAAB seemed to be more about lifetime achievement rather than for the actual work.  How "Bomb" won album of the year when "Achtung Baby" did not, is beyond me...

Well it's quite easy for me. HTDAAB is a way better album than AB.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Starman on December 07, 2014, 08:37:10 PM
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I think they were basically spoiled by HTDAAB. But HTDAAB never deserved most of the grammys it won; it won them because they had been denied recognition when they did deserve it so often beforehand.

That's what makes the lack of nominations for SOI (and AB for that matter) so sad.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: boom boom on December 08, 2014, 02:52:17 AM
Maybe if it had been released the traditional way it may have gotten some more nominations.  Maybe the Grammys did not want to get mix up with the whole apple fiasco.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: imedi on December 08, 2014, 04:00:03 AM
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Maybe if it had been released the traditional way it may have gotten some more nominations.  Maybe the Grammys did not want to get mix up with the whole apple fiasco.
X2 think this might be the case
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Edgedisciple on December 08, 2014, 05:05:50 AM
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Maybe if it had been released the traditional way it may have gotten some more nominations.  Maybe the Grammys did not want to get mix up with the whole apple fiasco.
X2 think this might be the case
Plausible
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Albono on December 10, 2014, 03:27:53 AM
http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/grammys-2015/6363768/op-ed-why-u2s-songs-of-innocence-deserves-the-rock-album-grammy
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: sceptic on December 10, 2014, 03:42:02 AM
U2 shouldn't care about the Grammies. They don't award quality but popularity or sales. They're a bit like music's Oscars, but even the Oscars retain some more credibility...
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: boom boom on December 10, 2014, 04:08:31 AM
I wonder why they is no mention on U2.com yet that SOI got nominated for Rock Album of the year.  Maybe they are peeved about being blanked out in the top 3 categories.  But you would think adding it on their website and on the ticketmaster site would help concert sales as ticket sales in some markets seem to be slow (I guess because of that 300 dollar price tag).
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: iced on December 10, 2014, 06:06:01 AM
The Grammy's will get around 20-30 million viewers this year..

I hope it's hardcore and true to form...

kick some serious ****
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: codeguy on December 10, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
U2 has won 22 grammys, a record for a band. However, when you look at their grammy tally by album, you get the idea about how relevant grammys are to artistic relevance:

Album - Wins (Nominations)

All that you can't leave behind 7 (12)
How to dismantle an Atomic Bomb 7 (7)
Joshua Tree 3 (5)
Zooropa 2 (2)
Rattle and Hum 1 (3)
Achtung, Baby 1 (2)
No line on the horizon 0 (3)
POP 0 (2)
Boy 0 (0)
October 0 (0)
WAR 0 (0)
Unforgettable Fire 0 (0)





Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Droo on December 10, 2014, 09:51:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf9V0hwJ6qk
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Doc_Holiday on December 12, 2014, 07:25:35 AM
I hope Bono gives his "f**k the mainstream" speech again
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: rcamu2 on December 12, 2014, 08:04:59 AM
U2, Grammys and Apple. Livenation, VIP packages, $300 tickets. how much more mainstream can it get ?
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: sceptic on December 12, 2014, 08:12:12 AM
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U2, Grammys and Apple. Livenation, VIP packages, $300 tickets. how much more mainstream can it get ?

U2 have been mainstream at least since 'The Joshua Tree', it's not news anymore...
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: codeguy on December 12, 2014, 08:30:56 AM
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U2, Grammys and Apple. Livenation, VIP packages, $300 tickets. how much more mainstream can it get ?
Mainstream? You're upset that the largest rock band of the last thirty years is mainstream? That's quite a contradiction.....
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: rcamu2 on December 12, 2014, 08:44:59 AM
not at all. it was a response to someone saying they wanted to hear Bono give a f**k the mainstream speech. the irony of which would have been of ticket price proportions.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: codeguy on December 12, 2014, 08:46:23 AM
Well....he said U2s job was to F*** up the mainstream.....while winning an AMA award.....which is mainstream....
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: The Unknown Caller on December 12, 2014, 11:34:14 AM
Yeah even that quote was clearly implying that they wanted to be *part* of the mainstream, just disrupting it from within.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: SlyDanner on December 12, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
Nice Billboard piece.  But this assessment seems odd: "U2 continues to surprise by returning to a more raw rock sound." 

The endless tweaking, refining and general overproduction are anything but 'raw'.  I love the album, but 'raw' it is not.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: emalvick on December 17, 2014, 02:45:59 PM
I'm not really surprised.  I don't think SOI is getting much notice as an album.  The Apple thing distracted everyone from the music.

I don't think I fully understand how the Grammy's work.  Do the musicians/record companies get to choose where they're going to seek a nomination?  There is a fine line between Alternative and Rock music categories, which I think does a disservice to musicians.  Beck in the rock category?  Black Keys in Rock and Jack White in Alternative? 

It's a bit odd.  If U2 would have made it to Album of the Year, they might have had a better shot.  I don't think they stand much of a chance for Rock Album.  As it is, I think Beck has the best album among the Rock Album nominees, but it won't surprise me if Black Keys or Tom Petty win.  A Tom Petty win would be more of acknowledgment for not winning much in the past like U2 was with HTDAAB. 
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: mofo_spacejunk on December 18, 2014, 06:11:31 PM
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Nice Billboard piece.  But this assessment seems odd: "U2 continues to surprise by returning to a more raw rock sound." 

The endless tweaking, refining and general overproduction are anything but 'raw'.  I love the album, but 'raw' it is not.

The quote says 'a more raw rock sound'. It didn't say it was the personification of raw rock.

And compared to NLOTH it is 'a more rock sound'.

Understand?
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: mdmomof7 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:50 PM
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This is how the Grammys state the voting works:

http://www.grammy.org/recording-academy/awards/grammy-awards-voting-process

Thanks for posting that spicy. It's more involved and honorable than I had figured.
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: SlyDanner on December 18, 2014, 11:01:52 PM
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Nice Billboard piece.  But this assessment seems odd: "U2 continues to surprise by returning to a more raw rock sound." 

The endless tweaking, refining and general overproduction are anything but 'raw'.  I love the album, but 'raw' it is not.

The quote says 'a more raw rock sound'. It didn't say it was the personification of raw rock.

And compared to NLOTH it is 'a more rock sound'.

Understand?

Eureka.  Thank you Grand Master.  I believe I am now on the verge of full sensory comprehension. 
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: Starman on December 19, 2014, 11:59:51 AM
I thought record companies just bought nominations. :P
Title: Re: SOI nominated for Best Rock Album at the Grammy's
Post by: wik73 on December 19, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
Foo Fighters new album is awful.