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Title: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: An Cat Dubh on April 09, 2015, 01:44:58 PM
Another forum member mentioned on another thread that his playlist for Rattle & Hum cut out all the live cuts. Now, as much as I like the live recordings, the released album comes across as a bit of a mish mash, and does not flow properly. For that reason, I also cut out the live songs (I have them all on my bootleg collection anyways) and listen to an album of purely studio recordings, and have added in a couple of B-sides and a bonus track. This is the order I play them in, It would be interesting to see everyone else's preferred running orders:

Hawkmoon 269
Desire
Heartland
Angel Of Harlem
God Part II
A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel
Van Diemen's Land
Love Rescue Me
When Love Comes To Town
Hallelujah Here She Comes
All I Want Is You
Bonus Track - She's A Mystery To Me

I also have a double album playlist to incorporate the above track list,  the Joshua Tree Tracks and the B-sides (Luminous Times, Spanish Eyes, Silver & Gold and Sweetest Thing) - I call it "Desert Songs - (A Journey Into The Heart Of Two Americas)" see what I did there ?  ;)

Any thoughts. Boring thread I know but I was listening to it in my car on the way to work this morning.

Z.


Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: An Cat Dubh on April 09, 2015, 01:45:53 PM
Mods, sorry - I think this should this be in General Discussion?
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: mdmomof7 on April 09, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
No mod am I, but I think it's perfectly placed in Music. :)
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Dali on April 09, 2015, 02:48:04 PM
Is there even a full resolution version of "Black Irish Rose"? If so, that one should be included in a deluxe R&H.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: An Cat Dubh on April 09, 2015, 03:08:50 PM
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Is there even a full resolution version of "Black Irish Rose"? If so, that one should be included in a deluxe R&H.

Do you mean Wild Irish Rose?
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
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properly sequenced playlist:

VDL
Desire
God p2
Hawkmoon
Heartland
Heartbreak Hotel
AOH
WLCTT
LRM
H[HSC]
AIWIY

and i'd call the album Angel of Harlem or Desire
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: An Cat Dubh on April 09, 2015, 03:59:36 PM
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properly sequenced playlist:

VDL
Desire
God p2
Hawkmoon
Heartland
Heartbreak Hotel
AOH
WLCTT
LRM
H[HSC]
AIWIY

and i'd call the album Angel of Harlem or Desire

I call it Heartland, Desire is a good name also.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
hahah heartland was the first thing i was going to call it but i like Angel of Harlem better. Desire too.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 09, 2015, 04:44:24 PM
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Another forum member mentioned on another thread that his playlist for Rattle & Hum cut out all the live cuts. Now, as much as I like the live recordings, the released album comes across as a bit of a mish mash, and does not flow properly. For that reason, I also cut out the live songs (I have them all on my bootleg collection anyways) and listen to an album of purely studio recordings, and have added in a couple of B-sides and a bonus track. This is the order I play them in, It would be interesting to see everyone else's preferred running orders:

Hawkmoon 269
Desire
Heartland
Angel Of Harlem
God Part II
A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel
Van Diemen's Land
Love Rescue Me
When Love Comes To Town
Hallelujah Here She Comes
All I Want Is You
Bonus Track - She's A Mystery To Me

I also have a double album playlist to incorporate the above track list,  the Joshua Tree Tracks and the B-sides (Luminous Times, Spanish Eyes, Silver & Gold and Sweetest Thing) - I call it "Desert Songs - (A Journey Into The Heart Of Two Americas)" see what I did there ?  ;)

Any thoughts. Boring thread I know but I was listening to it in my car on the way to work this morning.

Z.

I have pretty much the exact same order with the inclusion of Slow Dancing (acoustic) before Heartland.
I also included the covers Jesus Christ, Unchained melody ,Everlasting Love and Dancing Barefoot.
Been thinking about slipping in" Sweet Fire of Love" as well.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 04:48:52 PM
whats Sweet Fire of Love? i wanted to keep it all original so i didn't bother with the covers.

i've done the JT double disc thing before two, s'okay. not anything id listen to again.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: So Cruel on April 09, 2015, 04:59:45 PM
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whats Sweet Fire of Love? i wanted to keep it all original so i didn't bother with the covers.

i've done the JT double disc thing before two, s'okay. not anything id listen to again.

Sweet Fire of Love is a Robbie Robertson song with U2 as his backing band and Bono on co-vocals. It was on the radio a lot in the late 80's and classic rock stations still play it. Pretty good song but Somewhere Down the Crazy River is my favorite Robertson song from that period.

Sweet Fire of Love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEVS-MiPsd4
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 05:01:27 PM
huh. ill have to check that out later. this is the main reason i love band forums, finding out info like this.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 09, 2015, 05:02:28 PM
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whats Sweet Fire of Love? i wanted to keep it all original so i didn't bother with the covers.

i've done the JT double disc thing before two, s'okay. not anything id listen to again.


When the band was recording JT Lanois was also producing Robbie Robertson solo album he invited U2 to do a duet,its kind of like WLCTT.
https://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=l1C-e6DDYbo

I wasn't gonna include the cover tunes either for the same reason but then I remembered The Beatles, Stones , Zeppelin included cover tunes on their records and thought HEY why not there great covers.

No love for the JT b - sides ?
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 05:04:30 PM
no, i love the JT b-sides, but like most b-sides, imo, they are b-sides cuz they don't have a place on the album. U2's 84-89 b's are their best, but i cant see where theyd fit in the album and not disrupt the flow.

and i personally feel putting covers into an album cheapens the album. i know bands in the 60's did it, yes esp. the early Beatles but we've moved past that into albums of full original material.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: So Cruel on April 09, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
Luminous Times would have been a great opener for Side 2 of The Joshua Tree. Edge wanted it on the album but they couldn't finish it on time. In my mind one of U2's greatest songs.

A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel would have fit in well after Hawkmoon on Rattle & Hum.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 09, 2015, 05:12:28 PM
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Luminous Times would have been a great opener for Side 2 of The Joshua Tree. Edge wanted it on the album but they couldn't finish it on time. In my mind one of U2's greatest songs.

A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel would have fit in well after Hawkmoon on Rattle & Hum.

+1

My only criticism of RATHH is the gospel Chorus at the end is a bit long.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 05:20:20 PM
well R&H is different. it's not a streamlined cohesive album like all the others. it's a scrapbook. it lends itself perfectly to fan made playlists. but i still have no interest in covers.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 09, 2015, 05:26:49 PM
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well R&H is different. it's not a streamlined cohesive album like all the others. it's a scrapbook. it lends itself perfectly to fan made playlists. but i still have no interest in covers.

Yeah,there not for everyone.
I forgot to mention I included " Dreaming with tears in my eyes " for the mere fact of Bono's vocal delivery and Larry's big drum sound it evokes the spirit of RH ( IMHO ).

Here it is if you haven't heard it.

https://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=JBtqIfSaw08
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
yea thats one i heard years ago, many many hard drives ago i had the mp3
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 09, 2015, 10:10:12 PM
R & H should be praised.

After TJT they could have easily just released a live album. It would have still sold millions. But they included several new songs. Less than two years after TJT. So fans of both U2 live and new music were happy.

The film was criticised. But if you are a U2 fan, it should be enjoyable. I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 10:20:24 PM
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R & H should be praised.

After TJT they could have easily just released a live album. It would have still sold millions. But they included several new songs. Less than two years after TJT. So fans of both U2 live and new music were happy.

The film was criticised. But if you are a U2 fan, it should be enjoyable. I enjoyed it.

disc 1 - new album

disc 2 - live album

it's not hard to do. dont try to reinvent the wheel.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 09, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
Perhaps U2 realised they would have to release R & H.

The success of TJT meant the tour was being extended. Maybe into 1989. They probably realised that after a post tour break they would have to spend time 'dreaming it all up again'. So there could have been a long gap between albums.

However R & H was neatly released while U2 were on the crest of a wave and touring continuing until late 1989.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 09, 2015, 10:22:10 PM
they could have released 1 new full length album. they didn't. i'm not sure what you'd even classify R&H as. its not a studio album or a live, its just both.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 09, 2015, 11:07:18 PM
Not sure the studio songs alone were good enough to be released as a just a studio follow up to TJT. The critics would have lynched it even more.

This problem was negated by live songs, a film and continued touring.

The only other option was to spend several more months in the studio and quit touring. But touring is where the money is and is what they love doing.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 10, 2015, 12:21:08 AM
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R & H should be praised.

After TJT they could have easily just released a live album. It would have still sold millions. But they included several new songs. Less than two years after TJT. So fans of both U2 live and new music were happy.

The film was criticised. But if you are a U2 fan, it should be enjoyable. I enjoyed it.

+1 I love the album and film to this day.



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R & H should be praised.

After TJT they could have easily just released a live album. It would have still sold millions. But they included several new songs. Less than two years after TJT. So fans of both U2 live and new music were happy.

The film was criticised. But if you are a U2 fan, it should be enjoyable. I enjoyed it.

disc 1 - new album

disc 2 - live album

it's not hard to do. dont try to reinvent the wheel.

I applaud them for trying to make an audio scrapbook of what it was like on the road in 87
from stage to studio ( etc) but then again It would have been nice as you suggested to have disc 1 studio and disc 2 live , I'm sure the critics would have dissed that idea as well.
It's kind of cool to make are own personal versions


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Not sure the studio songs alone were good enough to be released as a just a studio follow up to TJT. The critics would have lynched it even more.

This problem was negated by live songs, a film and continued touring.

The only other option was to spend several more months in the studio and quit touring. But touring is where the money is and is what they love doing.


I believe the songs are very strong they could stand on there own
Desire, All I want is you, Angel, Hawkmoon , Heartland, GOD pt 2    Wow !
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 10, 2015, 07:33:40 AM
yea the playlist ive made of just the studio tracks would have killed. Desire,Angel,WLCTT,AIWIY all went #1. ditchin the live stuff would have hardly effected the outcome.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Johnny Feathers on April 10, 2015, 07:43:20 AM
It would be interesting to see the band eventually do a deluxe remaster version where they mess with the track list like that--1 studio disc (maybe with b-sides added) and 1 live disc (maybe with unreleased material).

That said, really, that's the beauty of programs like iTunes, where you can customize albums exactly how you want them.  For me, the b-sides all make a nice "disc 2" to the album.  As it is, it's flawed, but also the only way to hear it for at least 10+ years--so even without having a great "flow", it's the only flow I know.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: The Exile on April 10, 2015, 12:05:27 PM
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When the band was recording JT Lanois was also producing Robbie Robertson solo album he invited U2 to do a duet,its kind of like WLCTT.
https://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=l1C-e6DDYbo

Don't forget Testimony, U2's on that one too (Bono sings vocals on the chorus).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egi8M3fndAg
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 11, 2015, 01:21:44 AM
U2 fans were not complaining when R & H was released.

It was quick follow up, with some good songs that were not radically different to TJT. Together with live tracks and a film.

The critics criticised it, but after non stop praise, perhaps it was time for a backlash.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 11, 2015, 01:27:59 AM
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R & H should be praised.

After TJT they could have easily just released a live album. It would have still sold millions. But they included several new songs. Less than two years after TJT. So fans of both U2 live and new music were happy.

The film was criticised. But if you are a U2 fan, it should be enjoyable. I enjoyed it.

disc 1 - new album

disc 2 - live album

it's not hard to do. dont try to reinvent the wheel.

I like the way the album flows.

A mixture of live and studio tracks is rare. Two separate discs will have people comparing the studio disc to TJT. Which is something they would want to avoid.

At the end of day, the album will be judged on the quality of the songs, regardless of the running order.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Blueyedboy on April 11, 2015, 01:40:38 AM
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U2 fans were not complaining when R & H was released.

It was quick follow up, with some good songs that were not radically different to TJT. Together with live tracks and a film.

The critics criticised it, but after non stop praise, perhaps it was time for a backlash.

The crazy thing is that the criticism was against everything but the songs which more than held their own.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 11, 2015, 02:42:15 AM
Does anyone know when it was recorded ?

During TJT tour, or during a break in touring. Or both.

Edge said in 1987 that writing new songs doesn't stop when touring starts. Dunphy's book also says U2 listen to tapes of live shows to see if there is anything they can develop into new songs.

Anyway, R & H and Zooropa are quality albums released in the middle of tours. Something no other big band has done since.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on April 11, 2015, 06:29:02 AM
There was no real backlash after the release of Rattle and Hum.  A mix of some bad and lukewarm reviews, maybe.  Desire was the last time a U2 single saw the Top 5 in America and even Angel of Harlem was a hit.

I'm glad they mixed the new songs and live tracks together.  I'm not sure the new tracks make sense as a separate album.  Recorded at different times during after the JT Tours, the clusters of new tracks feel like separate EPs with the live tracks dividing the new material.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 11, 2015, 07:24:09 AM
Two or three more good songs and R & H could have been released as a straight studio album.

It would have been a good quickie follow up to TJT and added juice to the tour.

A live album and R & H type film could have been released in 1990 after the tour finished. It would have kept the fans happy until the November 1991 release of AB. The only problem would be if U2 had to get involved in publicising this. Meaning they would get side tracked from recording AB.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 11, 2015, 08:01:53 AM
nah, the playlist i've and others have posted could of worked perfectly fine as an album. and ANYTHING the released after JT would of been blasted for not being as good. R&H was just a different type of americana sound.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: zoo adam on April 11, 2015, 09:01:56 AM
My view is it wasn't strong enough. Which is why the new songs were merged with live tracks and a film came out. This together with U2's continued touring and their post JT hugeness deflected from the new songs. However, still some good new songs.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: markreed on April 11, 2015, 12:53:55 PM
They totally bolloxed up R+H.

In retrospect, they would have been better as two separate releases.

1. "The Howling Wind" : Live 1987, released June 1988.

Where The Streets Have No Name
In God's Country
All Along The Watchtower
I Still Haven't Found
Silver And Gold
Helter Skelter
Exit / Gloria
Bad
MLK
With Or Without You
Bullet The Blue Sky
Running To Stand Still
Sunday Bloody Sunday
Pride

2. "Rattle And Hum", film, as is, released October 1988.

3. "Rattle And Hum". Released 3 weeks after the film.

Hawkmoon 269
Desire
God Part II
Heartland
Love Rescue Me
Sweet Fire Of Love
Angel Of Harlem
When Love Comes To Town
A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel
Hallelujah Here She Comes
Van Diemens Land
All I Want is You

Singles :

Desire / Testimony / Desire (Remix) / Testimony (Remix)
Angel Of Harlem / Desire (Demo) / Angel Of Harlem (Demo) / Love Rescue Me (Live)
When Love Comes To Town / God Part II (Remix) / When Love Comes To Town (Remix) / Dancing Barefoot
All I Want Is You / When Love Comes To Town (Demo) / Everlasting Love / Unchained Melody
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 12, 2015, 12:36:28 AM
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They totally bolloxed up R+H.

In retrospect, they would have been better as two separate releases.

1. "The Howling Wind" : Live 1987, released June 1988.

Where The Streets Have No Name
In God's Country
All Along The Watchtower
I Still Haven't Found
Silver And Gold
Helter Skelter
Exit / Gloria
Bad
MLK
With Or Without You
Bullet The Blue Sky
Running To Stand Still
Sunday Bloody Sunday
Pride

2. "Rattle And Hum", film, as is, released October 1988.

3. "Rattle And Hum". Released 3 weeks after the film.

Hawkmoon 269
Desire
God Part II
Heartland
Love Rescue Me
Sweet Fire Of Love
Angel Of Harlem
When Love Comes To Town
A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel
Hallelujah Here She Comes
Van Diemens Land
All I Want is You

Singles :

Desire / Testimony / Desire (Remix) / Testimony (Remix)
Angel Of Harlem / Desire (Demo) / Angel Of Harlem (Demo) / Love Rescue Me (Live)
When Love Comes To Town / God Part II (Remix) / When Love Comes To Town (Remix) / Dancing Barefoot
All I Want Is You / When Love Comes To Town (Demo) / Everlasting Love / Unchained Melody

That actually would have been great the only thing(s) I would change is
1.  For the Live albums I would have the songs sequenced the way the set list actually was during the 87 tour.
2. The band should have included their versions of She's a mystery to me and Slow Dancing in the studio release.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 12, 2015, 12:45:35 AM
maybe well get those 2 demos if they ever release a CD set. in addition to the playlist i use i have one including the film performances that arent on the album
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: barbiemom4 on April 12, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
 Rattle in hum is my favorite album,I liked the live mixed with the album.Great songs.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 12, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
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Rattle in hum is my favorite album,I liked the live mixed with the album.Great songs.

I don't think anyone here is denying that RH is a great record its just some of us prefer
to listen to it in an alternative way .
I agree with you 100% the songs are great !

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Does anyone know when it was recorded ?

During TJT tour, or during a break in touring. Or both.

Edge said in 1987 that writing new songs doesn't stop when touring starts. Dunphy's book also says U2 listen to tapes of live shows to see if there is anything they can develop into new songs.

Anyway, R & H and Zooropa are quality albums released in the middle of tours. Something no other big band has done since.

The bulk of the material was recorded during the tour Bono wanted to catch their fire n a bottle , Sun studio's , Los Angeles , Hotel rooms anywhere they could record they finished it up shortly after the tour ended in 87 and released it the following year .
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Spidermike on April 12, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
Interesting reading all these posts and alt track lists. Loved and love this record. The studio tracks kill and the live cuts speak for themselves.

I tend to think of U2's releases in threes ... Boy, October, War... Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, Rattle & Hum ... Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop ...  ATYCLN, HTDAAB, NLOTH ... For me, Rattle & Hum was a fantastic ending to what was realized on UF and perfected on JT ... plus, it paved the way for Achtung Baby.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 12, 2015, 08:25:45 PM
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Interesting reading all these posts and alt track lists. Loved and love this record. The studio tracks kill and the live cuts speak for themselves.

I tend to think of U2's releases in threes ... Boy, October, War... Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, Rattle & Hum ... Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop ...  ATYCLN, HTDAAB, NLOTH ... For me, Rattle & Hum was a fantastic ending to what was realized on UF and perfected on JT ... plus, it paved the way for Achtung Baby.

Spider M ,
You hit the nail on the head here's a thread you might enjoy . :)
http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,23241.0.html
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 13, 2015, 08:38:41 PM
HOLY CRAP! Sweet Fire of Love was GREATNESS!

BUT!

does my playlist have room for two duets? And this is a LONG one too!

Testimony is okay but wouldn't fit on the playlist at all. Very 80's vibe i do love though!
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: The Exile on April 13, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
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HOLY CRAP! Sweet Fire of Love was GREATNESS!

Haha, can't believe you'd never heard of it. I heard Bono mention it in a KROQ interview back in '87 and immediately went out and bought the cassette tape.

Whole album's good, actually. "Somewhere Down that Crazy River" is brilliant.
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 13, 2015, 08:49:14 PM
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HOLY CRAP! Sweet Fire of Love was GREATNESS!

BUT!

does my playlist have room for two duets? And this is a LONG one too!

Testimony is okay but wouldn't fit on the playlist at all. Very 80's vibe i do love though!

Oh yeah it is quite special you could honestly say Edge is on FIRE ,Sweet Fire of Love !
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 13, 2015, 08:51:57 PM
yea he really was that time!!

and i just listened to the <apparently?> cover of Dreamin With Tears In My Eyes. good song but wouldn't fit the playlist and no covers
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: THRILLHO on April 29, 2015, 01:23:27 PM
so i tried a new playlist today and it's a big improvement!

VDL <finally got around to editing about 30 seconds of it out, removing the audience clapping at the beginning and the interview crap at the end>
Desire
God p2
Hawk
Sweet Fire of Love <this was the only song i added in and it works GREAT!>
Heartland
ARATHH
AoH
WLCTT
LRM
H[HSC]
AIWIY
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 29, 2015, 08:48:44 PM
Glad to see Sweet Fire !
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: lemonPOP on April 30, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
Any love here for silver and gold man I freaking love that tune!  So rocking!
Title: Re: Rattle & No Hum
Post by: Parsons on April 30, 2015, 08:15:51 PM
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Any love here for silver and gold man I freaking love that tune!  So rocking!

Oh yeah definitely I love all 3 versions but live is the favorite .