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Title: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: zeeTV on May 21, 2015, 05:18:48 AM
From Bullet to Hands, when Bono starts this phrase "I have my hands up, don't shoot", and ends with "I am an American", I get this chill down my spine. There is something so powerful about that aspect of that performance. I obviously relate to the Michael Brown Shootings, and the police brutality that is destroying the streets of the states. I now see Hands as an interpretation of the Slaves, their hands built America ... its just how I see it.
I would love, love love it if Bono brings this to a larger scale, and goes on a full gasped well articulated - angry, even - rant that unsettles people and challenges their perceptions. instead of all the corporate stuff they are going on about. There is something special about having a larger than life voice batting for your justice, and speaking for those that can't speak due to discriminate injustices.

Some people have criticized B because of this but, screw that.  I am not an American, but there is a clear, clear, dangerous & systemic problem existing. It always been Bono's calling card if you will from day 1 and I hope he never changes it, and continues to get up, and stand up for the rights of the those who can't fight no more.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Tuolumne on May 21, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
That's interesting, hadn't thought of the "Hands" part relating to slavery. I guess I have always associated it with immigrants, since most Americans are descended from immigrants. I also associate BTBS with immigrants  from central America who were fleeing often US supported military conflicts. They changed the theme of the video and lyics this tour to images of Wall Street, which makes me think of the economic policies like NAFTA which also undermine Latin American economies and drive current immigration to the US.  But you're right, they do tie in the Ferguson/Baltimore protests. There is a link between how Wall Street banks have systematically undermined the American working class, from red-lining urban neighborhoods to disproportionate police activity.  It's probably hard to find the best mix at rock concert. It's a thin line between engaging and alienating one's audience.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: This Dave on May 24, 2015, 12:28:12 AM
NAFTA pack up U.S. Jobs to Latin America, NAFTA undermines Latin Americanjobs and sends them fleeing here...I can't keep up.

Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: PopmuzikMofo on May 24, 2015, 07:28:06 AM
Every time I hear him say that I get a lump in my throat and also get teary eyed.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: briscoetheque on May 24, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Now you know how many of us feel about the bible. :-)
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on May 24, 2015, 09:14:51 AM
I hope they play the full song eventually. They've nailed the segue way and it sounds awesome and quite powerful
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: PopmuzikMofo on May 24, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
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I hope they play the full song eventually. They've nailed the segue way and it sounds awesome and quite powerful
+1
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: The Unknown Caller on May 24, 2015, 01:57:44 PM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Except that the same investigation found that the Ferguson police department showed *massive* systemic racial bias on a regular basis. So yeah, the specific instance wasn't accurate - but the overall movement obviously was. Unless you genuinely think the protests were just because of one death and nothing wider, in which case, well...
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Tuolumne on May 24, 2015, 03:10:02 PM
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NAFTA pack up U.S. Jobs to Latin America, NAFTA undermines Latin American jobs and sends them fleeing here...I can't keep up.

NAFTA allowed the US to export agricultural products, such as the primary staple of corn, to Mexico and other Latin American countries, glutting the market and putting thousands of Latin American farmers and farm workers out of jobs, which led to huge rise in immigration to the US.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: dougie on May 24, 2015, 03:10:26 PM
I love him doing the hands up. I am a red, white and blue true American. Everybody needs to treat people better. I personally think poverty and the distribution of wealth are the main problems, but until then, more tolerance and restraint is needed by all. This is a pivotal time in our justice system, and I am praying for training and understanding by all.

A man I use to know would say, 'Everybody wants to do good, but sometimes they may need a little help!'. I liked Jim Connelly (a previous supervisor).
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: u2beez on May 24, 2015, 06:46:31 PM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Except that the same investigation found that the Ferguson police department showed *massive* systemic racial bias on a regular basis. So yeah, the specific instance wasn't accurate - but the overall movement obviously was. Unless you genuinely think the protests were just because of one death and nothing wider, in which case, well...

That has nothing to do with anything.  Mr. Brown didn't have his hands up nor said don't shoot and THAT's BEEN PROVEN.  I don't like the way Police have been acting lately, but I also hate the fact that people like to believe whatever they want because the world wide interwebs say it did.  You can't make up lies just because the Police were discriminatory.  In this day people want to believe what they want to believe.  I feel sorry for you and them.  Yesterday Bono handed me a 50k dollar check.  It happened because I just said it on the web.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Thunder Peel on May 24, 2015, 08:32:45 PM
I love Bono but I wish he would make up his mind about America. We have him criticizing the country in one song and then telling us how great it is in another. It goes back to my original complaint about this new segment of Bullet: it's unclear what the real message is and I fear many will take it as anti-police or anti-rich. For a band that makes huge sums of money and walks around with armed security it's hard to take this seriously.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: The Unknown Caller on May 24, 2015, 08:34:22 PM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Except that the same investigation found that the Ferguson police department showed *massive* systemic racial bias on a regular basis. So yeah, the specific instance wasn't accurate - but the overall movement obviously was. Unless you genuinely think the protests were just because of one death and nothing wider, in which case, well...

That has nothing to do with anything.  Mr. Brown didn't have his hands up nor said don't shoot and THAT's BEEN PROVEN.  I don't like the way Police have been acting lately, but I also hate the fact that people like to believe whatever they want because the world wide interwebs say it did.  You can't make up lies just because the Police were discriminatory.  In this day people want to believe what they want to believe.  I feel sorry for you and them.  Yesterday Bono handed me a 50k dollar check.  It happened because I just said it on the web.

Huh? This only makes sense if you... didn't really understand the protests at all. The police weren't just 'discriminatory'; they practiced massive systematic racism and they really have killed multiple people for racial reasons in just the recent past. It's true that the slogan itself was taken from an incident that was falsely reported, but it caught on not because of that one case but because of the countless others with which it resonated. An anecdote being wrong doesn't remotely discount the data.

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I love Bono but I wish he would make up his mind about America. We have him criticizing the country in one song and then telling us how great it is in another.

Isn't that exactly the point? America, like most countries, isn't all good or all bad. It's great for some reasons and bad for others.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Thunder Peel on May 24, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Except that the same investigation found that the Ferguson police department showed *massive* systemic racial bias on a regular basis. So yeah, the specific instance wasn't accurate - but the overall movement obviously was. Unless you genuinely think the protests were just because of one death and nothing wider, in which case, well...

That has nothing to do with anything.  Mr. Brown didn't have his hands up nor said don't shoot and THAT's BEEN PROVEN.  I don't like the way Police have been acting lately, but I also hate the fact that people like to believe whatever they want because the world wide interwebs say it did.  You can't make up lies just because the Police were discriminatory.  In this day people want to believe what they want to believe.  I feel sorry for you and them.  Yesterday Bono handed me a 50k dollar check.  It happened because I just said it on the web.

Huh? This only makes sense if you... didn't really understand the protests at all. The police weren't just 'discriminatory'; they practiced massive systematic racism and they really have killed multiple people for racial reasons in just the recent past. It's true that the slogan itself was taken from an incident that was falsely reported, but it caught on not because of that one case but because of the countless others with which it resonated. An anecdote being wrong doesn't remotely discount the data.

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I love Bono but I wish he would make up his mind about America. We have him criticizing the country in one song and then telling us how great it is in another.

Isn't that exactly the point? America, like most countries, isn't all good or all bad. It's great for some reasons and bad for others.

So what about the cops that are now being killed by armed thugs? What about black officers who have shot whites? Or what about the massive black on black and gang violence in cities like Chicago? If you've made up your mind that the police are inherently bad then there's nothing anyone can do to change your mind. When people are threatening cops or looting in the streets then they shouldn't be complaining when force is used.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: briscoetheque on May 24, 2015, 08:52:08 PM
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Pathop on May 24, 2015, 09:21:40 PM
I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: briscoetheque on May 24, 2015, 10:22:29 PM
To a younger audience? They've been doing it for years. Hard to be a u2 fan and get shirty when they voice a strong political or social opinion. It's hardly a surprise by now, right?
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Tuolumne on May 24, 2015, 10:36:42 PM
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery...

America was, in fact, built by slave and immigrant labor. They wrote the song specifically about immigrants but the historical fact of black people being enslaved is still extremely relevant to understanding the institutional racism perpetuated today and understanding the Ferguson-Baltimore, etc. protests.  It's no accident Bono close the phrases "hands up" and "don't shoot" so closely at the end of BTBS.  There's nothing imaginary about it. As an American, I believe America is great, and can be so much greater and stronger, if we all were to engage in the South African-style truth and reconciliation that U2 highlights on the screen, during, I think, Raised By Wolves. They sing about the 1970s Dublin bombing victims but America needs it as well. 

It's certainly your prerogative to ignore that aspect of their music, but it's something I really love about them.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: RonnieFerg on May 24, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

I fail to see how "Hands up don't shoot" is a "lie." Yes, the phrase didn't end up applying in the case of Michael Brown, but the phrase has taken on a larger meaning (like "black lives matter") as a rallying cry against the well documented epidemic of police officers shooting unarmed black males (which is a reality, and as you say let's not forget it). Bono using the phrase is not an attempt "attract a younger audience." It's an acknowledgement of a great injustice going on in our country. What planet are you on where all the kids are getting into political justice instead listening to that newfangled EDM music? I'd love to visit.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Pathop on May 25, 2015, 07:04:25 AM
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To a younger audience? They've been doing it for years. Hard to be a u2 fan and get shirty when they voice a strong political or social opinion. It's hardly a surprise by now, right?

You are correct, I guess I just don't like this application.  Institutional racism strikes a nerve with me.  I dont believe this great injustice in this country is the unfortunate police shootings.  It worries me that most don't "get" the more complex issue..afraid it only perpetuates the anti police sentiment.  Sadly I don't have faith that unlike most who post here the rest are not as intellectually minded.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: The Unknown Caller on May 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
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So what about the cops that are now being killed by armed thugs? What about black officers who have shot whites? Or what about the massive black on black and gang violence in cities like Chicago? If you've made up your mind that the police are inherently bad then there's nothing anyone can do to change your mind. When people are threatening cops or looting in the streets then they shouldn't be complaining when force is used.

Several of these are real problems, sure, but none are remotely comparable in scale to the problem of police racism against African Americans. If your issue is with their prioritising a much bigger issue and not mentioning the smaller ones, then clearly no issue would ever make you happy. Accepting that there is a major problem of police racism in America is not even slightly the same as saying that 'the police are inherently bad'.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Lebowski on May 25, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

I fail to see how "Hands up don't shoot" is a "lie." Yes, the phrase didn't end up applying in the case of Michael Brown, but the phrase has taken on a larger meaning (like "black lives matter") as a rallying cry against the well documented epidemic of police officers shooting unarmed black males (which is a reality, and as you say let's not forget it). Bono using the phrase is not an attempt "attract a younger audience." It's an acknowledgement of a great injustice going on in our country. What planet are you on where all the kids are getting into political justice instead listening to that newfangled EDM music? I'd love to visit.

Actually, the stats do not prove this at all. 
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: dougie on May 25, 2015, 03:13:26 PM
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I am a red, white and blue true American.


Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?



I drink beer, drive a pickup truck and blow off fireworks on the 4th of July. That makes it official😛
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: briscoetheque on May 25, 2015, 03:36:50 PM
Yeeeeeeehaw brother!
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: The Exile on May 25, 2015, 06:50:20 PM
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Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: LemonadeSupernova on May 25, 2015, 07:27:19 PM
I always look forward to what B's pet issues are going to be each tour.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: zeeTV on May 26, 2015, 04:57:22 AM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Except that the same investigation found that the Ferguson police department showed *massive* systemic racial bias on a regular basis. So yeah, the specific instance wasn't accurate - but the overall movement obviously was. Unless you genuinely think the protests were just because of one death and nothing wider, in which case, well...

That has nothing to do with anything.  Mr. Brown didn't have his hands up nor said don't shoot and THAT's BEEN PROVEN.  I don't like the way Police have been acting lately, but I also hate the fact that people like to believe whatever they want because the world wide interwebs say it did.  You can't make up lies just because the Police were discriminatory.  In this day people want to believe what they want to believe.  I feel sorry for you and them.  Yesterday Bono handed me a 50k dollar check.  It happened because I just said it on the web.

Huh? This only makes sense if you... didn't really understand the protests at all. The police weren't just 'discriminatory'; they practiced massive systematic racism and they really have killed multiple people for racial reasons in just the recent past. It's true that the slogan itself was taken from an incident that was falsely reported, but it caught on not because of that one case but because of the countless others with which it resonated. An anecdote being wrong doesn't remotely discount the data.

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I love Bono but I wish he would make up his mind about America. We have him criticizing the country in one song and then telling us how great it is in another.

Isn't that exactly the point? America, like most countries, isn't all good or all bad. It's great for some reasons and bad for others.

Preach
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: zeeTV on May 26, 2015, 05:17:38 AM
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

Umm Darling, the HTBA may not be about slavery but...
a) Music can be interpreted to whatever the listener wants to interpret
b) The way the song is juxtaposed between Bono saying Hands up + Pride. One can't be blamed for thinking it relates.

Just because that quote was proven to be wrong, the sentiment is powerful.
There is too much crap on both sides, especially law enforcement in the states that is so deeply concerning.
Its a wave, we had it in Aus after the wave of Aboriginal Australians dying while in the custody of police, due to neglect and brutality.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: zeeTV on May 26, 2015, 05:18:51 AM
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I think people are looking very hard for what they want to see, which is fine, however facts also should be stated.  The hands that built America has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and hands up don't shoot is a lie.  I'm cool with your right to feel that way but please let's not forget reality.  I am a huge fan of the band but not when they choose what they believe are problems in the United States.  I think it's kind of a pathetic and unnecessary attempt to appear attractive to a younger audience.  Oh well..just one mans opinion.

I fail to see how "Hands up don't shoot" is a "lie." Yes, the phrase didn't end up applying in the case of Michael Brown, but the phrase has taken on a larger meaning (like "black lives matter") as a rallying cry against the well documented epidemic of police officers shooting unarmed black males (which is a reality, and as you say let's not forget it). Bono using the phrase is not an attempt "attract a younger audience." It's an acknowledgement of a great injustice going on in our country. What planet are you on where all the kids are getting into political justice instead listening to that newfangled EDM music? I'd love to visit.

Took words right out of my mouth, the sentiment and meaning behind that statements grows far larger and deeper than the case of the poor Michael Brown.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: zeeTV on May 26, 2015, 05:19:53 AM
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.

And also believe that George W Bush was a great president.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: halv on May 26, 2015, 08:53:29 AM
An article worth reading based on some of the comments in this thread:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-baltimore-blew-up-20150526?page=12
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: iehomecoming on May 26, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Now you know how many of us feel about the bible. :-)

Quite possibly the best 2 back to back posts ever.

Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: iehomecoming on May 26, 2015, 09:03:13 AM
Getting your brief on American politics and society from Bono is like Americans getting our knowledge of Irish life and society from the resident drunks at your local "Mulligans" or "Houlihan's" on St.Patrick's Day.



Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: dougie on May 26, 2015, 09:36:10 AM
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.

And also believe that George W Bush was a great president.


Okay, Since I wrote the original quote, I want to clarify. I am so liberal, the Democratic Party is conservative for me. Working as a reading specialist in low socioeconomic school for 20 years will change your perspective of the world. And, I do love the good ole U.S.A.. There is a lot of things that need improvement though.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: LemonadeSupernova on May 26, 2015, 04:16:07 PM
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.

Fox News is my 'go to' news source.  It makes me feel good.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on May 26, 2015, 06:10:42 PM
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I am a red, white and blue true American.

Is that a college degree? Or some other kind of accreditation? How does one achieve such status?

You get that degree conferred upon you after watching a predetermined amount of Fox News and Duck Dynasty.

And also believe that George W Bush was a great president.

I watch Nascar a lot.

I think this alone does it for me.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: briscoetheque on May 26, 2015, 06:11:25 PM
Haha nascar! I loved that thread.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: This Dave on May 27, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Now you know how many of us feel about the bible. :-)

Quite possibly the best 2 back to back posts ever.
Well, you can count me among the non-religious, so I make no arguments against that point. But can we please stop with carrying on narratives based on fake stories? This trend of hyping a fake story, using the fake story as a platform to hype pet issues, and mythologizing the fake story into a dogmatically, if not actually, true one. Hands up, UVA fake rape, mattress girl at Columbia. 
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: zeeTV on May 28, 2015, 02:30:07 AM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Now you know how many of us feel about the bible. :-)

Quite possibly the best 2 back to back posts ever.
Well, you can count me among the non-religious, so I make no arguments against that point. But can we please stop with carrying on narratives based on fake stories? This trend of hyping a fake story, using the fake story as a platform to hype pet issues, and mythologizing the fake story into a dogmatically, if not actually, true one. Hands up, UVA fake rape, mattress girl at Columbia.

Michael Brown is DEAD. Countless other African American Men are DEAD. How is this a fake story?
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: tom_b1807 on May 28, 2015, 03:07:25 AM
Do you think that the band will continue this theme into Europe? I'm British and I'm not very well informed on the issue but I had heard of the 'Don't shoot' thing. However,I'm can only speak for myself and it might alienate European crowds a bit. Did they carry on the theme of gun violence into Europe during the Elevation tour?
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: The Unknown Caller on May 28, 2015, 07:57:08 AM
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Hands Up Don't Shoot was shown to be a myth by the investigation. Really bugs me that people keep talking about it as if it were real.

Now you know how many of us feel about the bible. :-)

Quite possibly the best 2 back to back posts ever.
Well, you can count me among the non-religious, so I make no arguments against that point. But can we please stop with carrying on narratives based on fake stories? This trend of hyping a fake story, using the fake story as a platform to hype pet issues, and mythologizing the fake story into a dogmatically, if not actually, true one. Hands up, UVA fake rape, mattress girl at Columbia.

It seems to me a bit strange to be more angry about false reports of terrible things than the enormous epidemics of actual terrible things - both police racism and college rape - behind them.
Title: Re: "I have my hands up, don't shoot"
Post by: BonosTitaniumElbow on May 28, 2015, 08:37:01 AM
There were so many legit examples of police brutality in America - it still baffles me that one of the few instances where the officer seemed justified in his actions is the one that's taken off so much.   Michael Brown was a TPOS.  Get angry over the kid in Ohio who was shot, or the guy in S Carolina, or the kid in Milwaukee.  The dude choked to death in NYC.  Or the guy in Baltimore...  But Mike Brown?   

Also, I loved "Hands That Built America" as a love song to NYC after 9/11.  I know that songs evolve and change but the lyrics are chillingly perfect to 9/11.