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Title: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: U2alwaysforever on June 02, 2015, 11:51:34 PM
Guitar players, just curious, with only Edge playing, which new and old songs are affected only having one guitar. My musical ears are not as good as they should be as I've not been playing long enough, do they have the usual musicians under the stage at any point playing two guitars? Are any of the SOI songs lacking having only one?

I of course love the show regardless! Just curious.
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Post by: Parsons on June 03, 2015, 12:00:50 AM
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Guitar players, just curious, with only Edge playing, which new and old songs are affected only having one guitar. My musical ears are not as good as they should be as I've not been playing long enough, do they have the usual musicians under the stage at any point playing two guitars? Are any of the SOI songs lacking having only one?

I of course love the show regardless! Just curious.

U2 does NOT use other guitar players under the stage where did this ridiculous rumour come from ?
Terry Lawless played some keyboard parts down in the "underworld" and was showed on screen during 360 and that's it !
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: benpoke on June 03, 2015, 12:16:18 AM
There are some extra guitars played, most of them I think are sampled but some might be played live.  A few examples from down the years...

Bullet The Blue Sky - there is a one-chord chime that repeats for every line on the chorus whilst The Edge is playing funkier lines on the bottom E string.

Elevation - they always include the acoustic 12-string guitar part during the bridge while The Edge is playing electric.

One - even when Bono was playing guitar, we heard the "moaning" bluesy guitar from the album version all the way through.

All because Of You - there was an entire acoustic track going on behind The Edge's electric guitar.

Gone - the main riff is a sample; The Edge and Bono just play chords.

So there are certainly other guitar parts going on; whether they're love or recorded is another matter...
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: Parsons on June 03, 2015, 12:23:18 AM
Edge pre records guitar parts like everyone else YES but there's NO shadow musicians under the stage.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: Waffles on June 03, 2015, 12:43:32 AM
Actually, not sure about this tour but Dallas has helped out. Sometimes, Dallas will be under the stage playing chords underneath edge with a shimmer effect when edge isn't doing it, or even playing acoustic bits in past tours. Daniel lanois did backup acoustic on wild honey live for a show or two. In "this is" Dallas is doing the acoustic track. However, this tour I'm pretty sure it's just edge. In SFS, there is the prerecored acoustic part. That's about it. Bono did a lot more guitar than people think. The reason why ONE is in this new arrangement is to work around where bonos needed. No line on the horizon was largely impacted by Bono and would sound empty without him. But once again for the sake of this tour, it's prerecorded tracks
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Post by: markt on June 03, 2015, 01:19:41 AM
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Edge pre records guitar parts like everyone else YES but there's NO shadow musicians under the stage.

Check the recording of Zoo Station during the ZooTV Outside Broadcast TV special (at approx 6 mins)...

http://youtu.be/_zZeDKDqe4A
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Post by: miami on June 03, 2015, 03:12:41 AM
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Guitar players, just curious, with only Edge playing, which new and old songs are affected only having one guitar. My musical ears are not as good as they should be as I've not been playing long enough, do they have the usual musicians under the stage at any point playing two guitars? Are any of the SOI songs lacking having only one?

I of course love the show regardless! Just curious.

U2 does NOT use other guitar players under the stage where did this ridiculous rumour come from ?
Terry Lawless played some keyboard parts down in the "underworld" and was showed on screen during 360 and that's it !

if you look at the extras dvd for the elevation tour, you see that dallas is slightly under and at the side of the stage helping out with a few songs.

also, on this tour, i have seen from various fan videos on youtube dallas playing guitar during some songs. the vantage points were about halfway up looking down at the side of the stage and you could clearly see dallas under the stage playing some extra chords. i can't remember which tunes they were though.
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Post by: trevgreg on June 03, 2015, 07:12:00 AM
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also, on this tour, i have seen from various fan videos on youtube dallas playing guitar during some songs. the vantage points were about halfway up looking down at the side of the stage and you could clearly see dallas under the stage playing some extra chords. i can't remember which tunes they were though.

Playing or possibly getting the guitar ready for the next song (i.e., making sure the guitar's in tune, etc.)?
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: miryclay on June 03, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
Personally, I don't think Dallas is in the live mix. SFS is the most noticeable but def prerecorded. Whether they are playing to live or track, timing is of paramount importance.
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Post by: ehtaerb on June 03, 2015, 10:13:40 AM

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Personally, I don't think Dallas is in the live mix. SFS is the most noticeable but def prerecorded. Whether they are playing to live or track, timing is of paramount importance.

I agree
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Post by: Hype on June 03, 2015, 10:38:28 AM
Not an expert but I am a guitar player and have been to multiple shows going back to Joshua tree tour I do not think Dallas is in the mix.  I have had vantage points and been able to observe him in several shows. My opinion is he is making sure guitars are ready for upcoming songs.  Edge and Dallas have said in interviews that edge likes fresh strings on all guitars the day of the show.  That is a huge undertaking from a restringing and tuning stability point of view.  My take is he is checking the action and tuning right up to the moment each guitar is going on stage, not to mention adjusting guitars coming off stage that will go back in the show.  I have observed Dallas strumming/playing between songs quite often as well.  It has been mentioned several times that Dallas will manipulate edges effects board from offstage during songs when edge moves away from the board on the stage but I do not think he is in the mix.   Edge is the reason I started playing guitar years ago and I have devoted many hours studying his technique, equipment, sound and live performance.  He takes maddeningly simple musical ideas and makes magic with his timing, style and amazing sense of rhythm.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: benpoke on June 03, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Here's Bullet The Blue Sky live in Paris, 1987: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40XE9_L8OW0

At about 1:11, The Edge accidentally finishes the chorus early while the rest of the band plays on.  The extra guitar then comes in late for the final note (1:14).  That can't be a pre-record; that's a real guy playing along and getting confused, right there.

I'm not saying it's still the case, but at some point they've had someone playing extra guitar under the stage.
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Post by: PROJ2823 on June 03, 2015, 12:32:00 PM
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Here's Bullet The Blue Sky live in Paris, 1987: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40XE9_L8OW0

At about 1:11, The Edge accidentally finishes the chorus early while the rest of the band plays on.  The extra guitar then comes in late for the final note (1:14).  That can't be a pre-record; that's a real guy playing along and getting confused, right there.

I'm not saying it's still the case, but at some point they've had someone playing extra guitar under the stage.
I thought that Edge had some kind of pedal with which he could trigger sampled guitar cord, look at about the 2:00.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: Hype on June 03, 2015, 01:55:44 PM
That is correct
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: Hype on June 03, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
I hear what you are talking bout in the video but cant see edge to confirm.  Could just be him picking back up with the song. 
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: bass slap on June 03, 2015, 02:19:10 PM
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Guitar players, just curious, with only Edge playing, which new and old songs are affected only having one guitar. My musical ears are not as good as they should be as I've not been playing long enough, do they have the usual musicians under the stage at any point playing two guitars? Are any of the SOI songs lacking having only one?

I of course love the show regardless! Just curious.

U2 does NOT use other guitar players under the stage where did this ridiculous rumour come from ?
Terry Lawless played some keyboard parts down in the "underworld" and was showed on screen during 360 and that's it !
It is a rumour, but not ridiculous... if Terry is known to play keyboard under there and definitely some additional guitar parts in the show not being played by edge and if there has been some manipulation of guitar effects  by Dallas when edge moves from the pedals....  this doesn't stack up to be such a ridiculous notion...
I am however of the opinion it's probably backing tracks, but can't be 100% sure like some people as I don't live under the stage like some must.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: miryclay on June 03, 2015, 02:44:52 PM
We just don't really know unless Dallas did a video tour of all of the gear.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: blackirish on June 03, 2015, 03:01:10 PM
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Guitar players, just curious, with only Edge playing, which new and old songs are affected only having one guitar. My musical ears are not as good as they should be as I've not been playing long enough, do they have the usual musicians under the stage at any point playing two guitars? Are any of the SOI songs lacking having only one?

I of course love the show regardless! Just curious.

U2 does NOT use other guitar players under the stage where did this ridiculous rumour come from ?
Terry Lawless played some keyboard parts down in the "underworld" and was showed on screen during 360 and that's it !
It is a rumour, but not ridiculous... if Terry is known to play keyboard under there and definitely some additional guitar parts in the show not being played by edge and if there has been some manipulation of guitar effects  by Dallas when edge moves from the pedals....  this doesn't stack up to be such a ridiculous notion...
I am however of the opinion it's probably backing tracks, but can't be 100% sure like some people as I don't live under the stage like some must.


Hi guys,

I hope I'm not overstating the obvious, here...

They've been using tracks for years, not just synth, but guitars as well. Check out any live version of Bullet on the JTree tour: two guitar tracks at the same time on the choruses. As long as Larry is wearing headphones to hear the click track or bar count, he's driving the boat.

Also, Dallas switches sound patches any time Edge is not near a pedal board. In fact, any time you hear anything that changes sound when Edge isn't near his board is Dallas. Wah wah, solo boost, other delays, anything, but I'm fairly certain Dallas is not ever in the mix. I don't think that's his job, and he's got his hands full just being Edge's tech, never mind performing.

Terry is under the stage again playing piano on things, and most likely, extra guitar, if needed, as he's been for the last three (?) tours. Admittedly, this doesn't make much sense to me. If you're gonna use tracks, why would you need him there at all? I'm quite sure they have their reasons...

 :)

Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: bass slap on June 03, 2015, 03:04:30 PM
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Guitar players, just curious, with only Edge playing, which new and old songs are affected only having one guitar. My musical ears are not as good as they should be as I've not been playing long enough, do they have the usual musicians under the stage at any point playing two guitars? Are any of the SOI songs lacking having only one?

I of course love the show regardless! Just curious.

U2 does NOT use other guitar players under the stage where did this ridiculous rumour come from ?
Terry Lawless played some keyboard parts down in the "underworld" and was showed on screen during 360 and that's it !
It is a rumour, but not ridiculous... if Terry is known to play keyboard under there and definitely some additional guitar parts in the show not being played by edge and if there has been some manipulation of guitar effects  by Dallas when edge moves from the pedals....  this doesn't stack up to be such a ridiculous notion...
I am however of the opinion it's probably backing tracks, but can't be 100% sure like some people as I don't live under the stage like some must.


Hi guys,

I hope I'm not overstating the obvious, here...

They've been using tracks for years, not just synth, but guitars as well. Check out any live version of Bullet on the JTree tour: two guitar tracks at the same time on the choruses. As long as Larry is wearing headphones to hear the click track or bar count, he's driving the boat.

Also, Dallas switches sound patches any time Edge is not near a pedal board. In fact, any time you hear anything that changes sound when Edge isn't near his board is Dallas. Wah wah, solo boost, other delays, anything, but I'm fairly certain Dallas is not ever in the mix. I don't think that's his job, and he's got his hands full just being Edge's tech, never mind performing.

Terry is under the stage again playing piano on things, and most likely, extra guitar, if needed, as he's been for the last three (?) tours. Admittedly, this doesn't make much sense to me. If you're gonna use tracks, why would you need him there at all? I'm quite sure they have their reasons...

 :)

A fair assessment.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: Parsons on June 03, 2015, 07:56:39 PM
Let's be careful not to start any foolish rumours here DALLAS does NOT play anything during the concerts !
Change effects , guitar strings (etc) YES !
Like already stated earlier U2 like most professional rock groups use live pre recorded
backing tracks for show enhancement.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: p8ru2 on June 03, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
They now mainly use backing tracks. Dallas & the techs don't play - as noted they assist w/ pedals etc.  Lawless has played keyboards in past in Underworld. Also back in ZOOTV days, Des Broadbery reportedly did keyboards, synth AND guitar if/when needed (Source: Bill Flannigan).

Oh as to reasons in past to use live vs. recorded, is likely more flexibility, spontaneity.
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Post by: Basskid on June 03, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
Terry plays keyboards and does programming which as far as during the live show is concerned I think basically means he triggers the tracks, or at least some of them.  I'm almost definite that the little synth fills on EBTTRT are live or at least triggered live because Terry missed them at Glastonbury when he was busy saving his computer from the dancing dj guy.  I would also guess that things like the keys in COBL and Walk On are done live by Terry.  Also the Miracle intro.  Like others have been saying, any guitars are most likely tracks although it isn't completely out of the question that Terry could be playing something too, but that isn't likely for most of the time. 
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: Smithy on June 04, 2015, 01:23:05 AM
To address the original question, a song that I think suffers greatly from having one guitar is California. Really doesn't take off like it does on the album.
Title: Re: Guitar players, SOI Tour Question? Spoilers
Post by: philnmarks on June 04, 2015, 03:27:55 AM
This may help from, From Elevation tour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a107MOXhuCk Although Dallas says he does some sounds this is unclear as to if its guitar parts or effects, Pedal set up seems the same from pictures shown on new tour, excuse the pi*s poor quality.
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Post by: trevgreg on June 04, 2015, 06:35:50 AM
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Like already stated earlier U2 like most professional rock groups use live pre recorded
backing tracks for show enhancement.

Yes. This.
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Post by: Edgedisciple on June 04, 2015, 07:18:45 AM
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To address the original question, a song that I think suffers greatly from having one guitar is California. Really doesn't take off like it does on the album.
Is there a guitar on California?! All I can hear are just awful synths!! :o Jokes aside, there are indeed a couple of pre-recorded guitars, the only songs that comes to mind are Bullet and SFS (there is not a pre-recorded guitar on Elevation's bridge, just Edge and a tremolo effect), but other than that there are not additional guitar players of some sort, not even Dallas (who does just the fx switching when Edge's not around his pedalboard).