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Title: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: TheFly1991 on June 18, 2015, 06:24:24 AM
I’m a huge u2 fan (although I don’t come here often or go to concerts all over the world – budget restrictions).

Yesterday was my 7th concert and by far my least favorite!

Altough I have nothing against the choice of songs and their interpretations, I do think that the design stinks!

First of all, not sure who to blame for this (U2 team or Evenko) but when I bought the tickets online when they were first available I made sure the stage was facing me, at the other end of the rink. That was where section 107 was and was expecting this. But when I got there yesterday I was in the back of it! First strike! (I am not the only knowing we got screwed, the people behind me also complained they had purchased tickets for front facing stage!)

Being in the back, pretty much down in the middle, the big screen over the catwalk was pretty much useless to us! We couldn’t see anything on it! It wasn’t rotating (why not?)!

But it was going lower though! Result: when the band or member was on the catwalk or on the smaller stage, we couldn’t see anything! That screen was blocking our view! Not live not the images on the screen!

The only small screen attached to the top was neither the same thing nor the complete thing (wasn’t showing the stars on the screen, just Bono for example). And filming the main screen is not the same thing. If I wanted to watch the concert on tv I would have waited for the Bluray …and I may do this next time!

And when the band was in the screen itself, well you guessed it, I wasn’t seeing anything at all!

And being in the back of the stage, I was expecting the band members (except perhaps Larry) to turn and face us more often (I was behind in 360 and they turned around much more often).

My other 6 concerts were much more fun and emotional. Not as much yesterday. No other concert that I can remember (popmart, Elevation, Vertigo, 360) where there was “blind spots” and where you could not see the screen(s). Sure some may have been “bad angles” (popmart). But no angle at all? And to block the musicians all together?

No I am sorry, and regardless of the reviews, obviously they didn’t consider all the customers/fans (and I didn’t pay a reduced price for less of a show than other fans). I will reconsider next time before spending my hard-earned money on a U2 concert that I feel was less than ideal!

P.S. I understand that most of you will have enjoyed the show and will defend this concept/design but for me (and others), you must understand that this was simply not acceptable as a design. I was left in the cold and I don’t think they care much! Seriously, didn’t they catch that some concertgoers wouldn’t see the screen and even get blocked by it? They did catch this but went ahead with this anyway!
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: an tha on June 18, 2015, 06:34:01 AM
It's a point a few have raised - but one that for whatever reason is being largely ignored by the masses.

To my mind it's incredibly poor show design, mixed in with a bit of greed (wanting to sell every seat)

How they can c*** up so badly in an arena is beyond me - to have a screen as pretty much the centre point of the show and one they are making a big noise about how great it is and how central to the narrative of this show it is, and not have it visible to a good chunk of the audience and worse still to have that screen that people can't see actually block their view of the band is just not on.

I am surprised it isn't a subject that is being talked about a lot more - it's either just plain disregard on the part of the band and show designers or they have just totally dropped the ball trying to be too clever, you can't tell me experienced show designers and the band couldn't have thought "hang on a mo, this screen is not visible and is blocking peoples views" I can imagine it can't be highly visible for many on the floor as well.

I have read they have been moving people so maybe there is some recognition/holding up of hands....This really should have been thought of beforehand.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: TheFly1991 on June 18, 2015, 07:53:56 AM
Thanks for backing me up on this. I knew I couldn’t have been alone thinking this.

I agree with you completely on this one….a bit a greed with poor design
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: The Unknown Caller on June 18, 2015, 08:33:30 AM
100% agreed. I don't feel bad for people on the floor - when you go GA, you expect to sacrifice some of the screen etc to be closer to the band - or at least you should, that's true of most bands and most shows. But it's disgraceful to have some seats with such obstructed views and *no warning*. The switcheroo they've pulled of front and back (Which seems to be happening at every venue) is really not acceptable.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: Number1U2fan on June 18, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
I'd blame Ticketmasterbater (again) or where ever you purchased the tickets originally showing the stage seating chart. A lot of places, including LA where I was and where I thought I was sitting, they originally had the stage set up wrong during the original sales of tickets. I wasn't to happy either but they turned out ok as I was in an angle right behind the Edge and able to see the video screen. It's happened to other venues too. In LA by show 3 TM changed the seating chart to the correct way!!! In the middle of the tour!!! What a farce!!!! TM so blows.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on June 18, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
Sorry you were victim of a really bad stage setup and design. As nice as it is, there is no reason for the seats like that to cost the same as other seats, and in fact, there is no reason for those tickets to not say obstructed view on them.

Ticketmaster and U2's Camp should have agreed to sell those tickets at very low prices to whoever that wanted them, not trick fans into thinking they would get good views and give them jack squat.

It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: soloyan on June 18, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
Well... From your description it looks exactly like the tickets I got... I have to say I am anxious about it. To me there 2 BIG problems that occured :
1-The seating chart was wrong, not clearly indicating where the stages or what the stages were, so you had no idea what you were purchasing.
2-It doesn't say "restricted view" on those tickets, when it clearly is !
I hope  can get another option until november but chances are slim.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: So Cruel on June 18, 2015, 09:28:37 AM
I hear ya. I had a very similar experience for Vancouver 1. My friends and I were in a box in the end zone (E-Stage side) and once the screen came down after the first 4 songs we couldn't see anything. We couldn't see the band and we couldn't see the screen. It was ridiculous. You pay good money to see the band and we end up seeing nothing.

SOI was by far the worst U2 show I've seen (been to multiple shows each tour since Zoo TV) and was probably the most disappointing concert experience of my life and i've seen hundreds of shows. It left such a bad taste in my mouth (and friends) that 4 of us had planned on getting tickets from scalpers for night 2 and we decided to stay home, which is something I never ever would have thought I'd do: purposely skip a U2 show 10 minutes away from my house. 
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: ehtaerb on June 18, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
It is disappointing to hear especially for loyal fans who stick by the band through good & bad.

I've not seen the tour yet (but have tickets for the London / Glasgow shows) but knowing how meticulous the band are about things like this, I would have thought this would have been evident fairly early on in the process.

The question then is why did they proceed without warning some fans may have restrictions?
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: MASTER YODA on June 18, 2015, 09:49:34 AM
I'm worried, I think the band could get hurt on this tour...the stage is coming down and Bono is right under it. There's scenarios in the show (and I've been 2) which could almost seem dangerous. I'm not talking about the screen coming down on anyone (I don't think it's really would ever happen)
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: badu2fan on June 18, 2015, 09:50:20 AM
I just read a letter from the promoter of Fare Thee Well tour and the promoter is guaranteeing show to folks who bought tickets that were changed do to creating more tickets. Some folks thought they were buying seats on floor which is now GA in back of Pit etc. He said in letter if you are disappointed with your seats or show they will refund you money in full after the show. Now that is unique in music business.

Bummer about the seating charts etc and wish that TM or Band would make it right for fans who didn't find what they were looking for as seating chart being flipped etc. I know some of the seats with obstructed view were priced cheaper but not sure it told u at time of purchase it was limited.

Anyone thought how this show would work in Stadium? Will they be able to pull it off if that is what they plan next year?
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: trevgreg on June 18, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
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Bummer about the seating charts etc and wish that TM or Band would make it right for fans who didn't find what they were looking for as seating chart being flipped etc. I know some of the seats with obstructed view were priced cheaper but not sure it told u at time of purchase it was limited.

That's what I'm wondering too. Were only some tickets printed with saying "obstructed view" on them or did it come later on as the dates got closer?
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: Legrosbob on June 18, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
I had a similar experience in Montreal 2 (in the 400's, the view and the sound were greatly obstructed by the press box). I think it's totally Evenko's fault for not showing the right stage setup and for ommiting to say that the view was blocked.

It's true that the design is quite bad, but it's almost fraud from Evenko to sell bad seats without warning. I sent a letter to Evenko explaining the situation and asking for a refund, and I think you should do the same...

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Were only some tickets printed with saying "obstructed view" on them or did it come later on as the dates got closer?

After my show, I wondered the same thing and checked on the Evenko website. The seats where I was were cheaper, because of the obstructed view I guess. But when I bought them on the release date they were definitely the same price as the other ones.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: an tha on June 18, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
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I'd blame Ticketmasterbater (again) or where ever you purchased the tickets originally showing the stage seating chart. A lot of places, including LA where I was and where I thought I was sitting, they originally had the stage set up wrong during the original sales of tickets. I wasn't to happy either but they turned out ok as I was in an angle right behind the Edge and able to see the video screen. It's happened to other venues too. In LA by show 3 TM changed the seating chart to the correct way!!! In the middle of the tour!!! What a farce!!!! TM so blows.

Surely TM rely on the promoters and show organisers for things like which way the stage sits etc
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: an tha on June 18, 2015, 10:51:08 AM
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I just read a letter from the promoter of Fare Thee Well tour and the promoter is guaranteeing show to folks who bought tickets that were changed do to creating more tickets. Some folks thought they were buying seats on floor which is now GA in back of Pit etc. He said in letter if you are disappointed with your seats or show they will refund you money in full after the show. Now that is unique in music business.

Bummer about the seating charts etc and wish that TM or Band would make it right for fans who didn't find what they were looking for as seating chart being flipped etc. I know some of the seats with obstructed view were priced cheaper but not sure it told u at time of purchase it was limited.

Anyone thought how this show would work in Stadium? Will they be able to pull it off if that is what they plan next year?

If they wanted to do it in a stadium everything would have to be proportionally bigger to make it work otherwise they risk having even more bad views.

They would also have to not sell the head on tickets and of course the sound system would need to be re-thought.

In my view they would be much better off in a stadium with a normal end stage (give up selling the seats behind, u2 you don't need the cash) with the screen behind them working it's magic, don't have it on for the first songs....they could still have the runway and b stage, just make the runway bigger and the b stage bigger. They could still go in the screen just enter it from the side.

For all the supposed 360 was in the round in a stadium it really wasn't a lot of the time, it was stuck at one end of the stadium like a normal show, yes people sat behind it but they didn't really play to those people that much.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: bonorules on June 18, 2015, 11:07:53 AM
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I'd blame Ticketmasterbater (again) or where ever you purchased the tickets originally showing the stage seating chart. A lot of places, including LA where I was and where I thought I was sitting, they originally had the stage set up wrong during the original sales of tickets. I wasn't to happy either but they turned out ok as I was in an angle right behind the Edge and able to see the video screen. It's happened to other venues too. In LA by show 3 TM changed the seating chart to the correct way!!! In the middle of the tour!!! What a farce!!!! TM so blows.

Surely TM rely on the promoters and show organisers for things like which way the stage sits etc

Yes, they do and maps are not to be put up on their site unless approved by at least the venue.  We've been through this about 100 times already on here.  The map never really 'flipped', there just seem to be several people who assumed that the location of the Red Zone indicated the main stage, but in reality it was at the E stage.  I really do believe that was the original intent, but once the staging was setup in a real arena, they realized the RZ would not fit there so it was moved to the main stage area and the maps updated online to reflect this.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: an tha on June 18, 2015, 11:23:26 AM
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I'd blame Ticketmasterbater (again) or where ever you purchased the tickets originally showing the stage seating chart. A lot of places, including LA where I was and where I thought I was sitting, they originally had the stage set up wrong during the original sales of tickets. I wasn't to happy either but they turned out ok as I was in an angle right behind the Edge and able to see the video screen. It's happened to other venues too. In LA by show 3 TM changed the seating chart to the correct way!!! In the middle of the tour!!! What a farce!!!! TM so blows.

Surely TM rely on the promoters and show organisers for things like which way the stage sits etc

Yes, they do and maps are not to be put up on their site unless approved by at least the venue.  We've been through this about 100 times already on here.  The map never really 'flipped', there just seem to be several people who assumed that the location of the Red Zone indicated the main stage, but in reality it was at the E stage.  I really do believe that was the original intent, but once the staging was setup in a real arena, they realized the RZ would not fit there so it was moved to the main stage area and the maps updated online to reflect this.

So badly planned and badly communicated, then.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mariamontreal on June 18, 2015, 11:51:26 AM
I am glad you brought this up , I was at 3 shows in Montreal, although I had great seats in the lower reds middle section which were right in front of the screen for 2 nights and in the lower reds near the e stage night 3 . In order to see the screen you really had to be in the middle . Even from the end view I could not see the screen as well. They knew this when planning the design. Because the tour has just begun , I am sure there will be many complaints about this  as they continue the tour . I agree for those whose view is obstructed they should be refunded, or even better, given a better ticket for another date on the tour or the option  of  their money back . If those seats were the price I paid 300.00  x 3   and could not see anything , that's robbery.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: bullwinkle on June 18, 2015, 11:57:42 AM
Ok after reading this thread I'm starting to get concerned for the upcoming Toronto show. My wife and I are going to see U2 for the first time and have seats in the lowers, row 18 directly behind the stage. I'm less concerned about sitting behind the band then I am having my view blocked by the screen. Will I still be able to see the performance at the other stage from where I'm sitting?
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: PatateTony35 on June 18, 2015, 11:59:24 AM
Blame Tickmaster/evenko. Thank god when I bought tickets I was lucky, but their map was so confused. It looks like a 360* tour for arena!
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: MPare1966 on June 18, 2015, 12:16:35 PM
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Blame Tickmaster/evenko. Thank god when I bought tickets I was lucky, but their map was so confused. It looks like a 360* tour for arena!

Yes, blame TM/Evenko and the band. I went to 3 Montreal shows in GA and it was amazing, I got to move all around the place, getting close to the e-stage when it mattered and going back at the hockey red-line to enjoy the screen, when good stuff was on it. Even went back to the front for the encore.

BUT, as I was doing that during the shows, I could not help feeling bad for all the people seated at the 2 ends of the Bell Center. How could they enjoy the show at all? Thay could not see a thing on the screen, plus said screen, when brought down, obstructed the view. They were totally ripped off when they made the purchase back in December.

I would make a formal complaint at evenko and ask for my money back. And if you're a Quebec resident and paid 600$ for a pair in that kind of section, go file a claim at small claims court.

I still have trouble figuring how the band approved such a set-up. Geez, forget the going into the screen crap, and use the technology available to have a lightweight 2 sided screen that can circle during the performance and tell the story you want to tell anyways.

To be honest, this I&E tour is an absolute gem for GA tickets, and also anyone with a good view of the screen. But for 30% of the crowd, it's crap.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: dwaltman on June 18, 2015, 12:20:44 PM
I think there is blame to go around....

Willie, Gavin, etc. would have to know how the sight lines would work.
U2/Guy O. /Live Nation-once final design is approved, discussions on seating/prices would have to take place
Ticketmaster--having accurate seating charts and accurate information when buying tix is important (obstructed, behind stage, etc.)

I think the feedback in this forum might be kinda light because many in this forum might have GA's or lower bowl seats, but I feel bad for those in this situation.  The fact they relocated the Denver crowd shows they know it's an issue. 
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: sledge2015 on June 18, 2015, 12:36:21 PM
I remember hearing Bono say before the tour started that the idea was to symbolically split the crowd in half at the end of the first set.  It was supposed to be an artistic statement.  So they wanted to drop those huge a** screens down across the middle to separate the audience. It might have been an interesting concept from the mind of an artist, but poor planning for about the one third of the arena who can't see anything, screens or band.  My opinion is that this whole show was designed for the GA people.  The fans in the seats at either end of the arena should not have been charged nearly as much as they were.  Having said that, this is by far the best GA U2 experience I've ever had.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: MPare1966 on June 18, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
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Having said that, this is by far the best GA U2 experience I've ever had.

Yes, totally agree. Amazing from almost anywhere on the GA floor. There's so much railing real-estate, that everybody can get close. The smiles I saw said it all.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mariamontreal on June 18, 2015, 01:14:56 PM
That is so true, It really was designed for the GA cheaper tickets , I paid 300.00 and was looking at the GA and thinking the same thing that they have a much better view .
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mariamontreal on June 18, 2015, 01:50:05 PM
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That is so true, It really was designed for the GA cheaper tickets , I paid 300.00 and was looking at the GA and thinking the same thing that they have a much better view .
Forgot 300x 3 $ 900.00 for 3 nights plus expenses. 4 nights in GA $ 344.00 I was thinking that last night looking at them . They have the complete attention from the band , as close as anyone can get throughout the full show. I always wondered what it would be like and after the last 3 shows I realized I was paying for the set design with these expensive seats that are  so far away from the band and the GA tickets have the best access to the band visually up close and personal . I regret not buying GA tickets.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: PatateTony35 on June 18, 2015, 03:01:27 PM
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Blame Tickmaster/evenko. Thank god when I bought tickets I was lucky, but their map was so confused. It looks like a 360* tour for arena!

Yes, blame TM/Evenko and the band. I went to 3 Montreal shows in GA and it was amazing, I got to move all around the place, getting close to the e-stage when it mattered and going back at the hockey red-line to enjoy the screen, when good stuff was on it. Even went back to the front for the encore.

BUT, as I was doing that during the shows, I could not help feeling bad for all the people seated at the 2 ends of the Bell Center. How could they enjoy the show at all? Thay could not see a thing on the screen, plus said screen, when brought down, obstructed the view. They were totally ripped off when they made the purchase back in December.

I would make a formal complaint at evenko and ask for my money back. And if you're a Quebec resident and paid 600$ for a pair in that kind of section, go file a claim at small claims court.

I still have trouble figuring how the band approved such a set-up. Geez, forget the going into the screen crap, and use the technology available to have a lightweight 2 sided screen that can circle during the performance and tell the story you want to tell anyways.

To be honest, this I&E tour is an absolute gem for GA tickets, and also anyone with a good view of the screen. But for 30% of the crowd, it's crap.
well, the red zone at the end of the screen were 80$, with no mention of obstructed view. this was a lie. even though I bougt one for MTL 4, I didn't really mind since I had good view for the rest 3. For the withe/grey/blue, it is clearly written that your view will be partially obstructed, however I spend the MTL 3 in the white and I could see the screen and almost all the band (except adam, from times to times). Those were 40$.

So the real lie was for the red zone, but I knew something would be off since the *real* red were 300$ and mine only 80$

but hell yeah, the GA were awesome! I read some post here before the show saying the floor wasn't good for this show, but heck that was one special experience.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mariamontreal on June 18, 2015, 05:22:29 PM
For all who have Gained tickets for upcoming shows you will not be disappointed this tour was definitely made for those tickets. Enjoy your shows you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mariamontreal on June 18, 2015, 05:23:47 PM
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For all who have Gained tickets for upcoming shows you will not be disappointed this tour was definitely made for those tickets. Enjoy your shows you won't be disappointed.
correction G.A. Tickets darn phone
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: depmode101 on June 18, 2015, 07:45:06 PM
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Ok after reading this thread I'm starting to get concerned for the upcoming Toronto show. My wife and I are going to see U2 for the first time and have seats in the lowers, row 18 directly behind the stage. I'm less concerned about sitting behind the band then I am having my view blocked by the screen. Will I still be able to see the performance at the other stage from where I'm sitting?

If you are right behind the stage then you will be missing the long video screen.
The video screen moved up and down - so it's not going to block your view of the smaller stage. The problem is that the smaller stage is at the other end of the arena.
In Montreal night 3 I sat on the end by the smaller stage and then had a problem being able to see then band from that far away.

Personally I think you will be okay - most of the action is taking place on the larger stage.
It really is a great show and I'm actually liking the new album more after hearing it live.
I'm looking forward to my Toronto shows!
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mdmomof7 on June 18, 2015, 09:57:48 PM
Mariamontreal - agreed this tour was made for GA. I have seats for some shows and now hope I can get a last minute GA drop for those and sell them or eat them. I've seen 1/6 shows in seats and while it was great to see the visuals, being this close to the band is surreal. Being able to walk around the arena and have multiple perspectives, fantastic. You can see the visuals if you go all the way back on the floor. Actually, seeing the wave in UTEOW from the mid back side near the e stage is very effective!!

GA is a party of appreciation and celebration!! So much fun!
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: Parsons on June 18, 2015, 11:06:04 PM
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Mariamontreal - agreed this tour was made for GA. I have seats for some shows and now hope I can get a last minute GA drop for those and sell them or eat them. I've seen 1/6 shows in seats and while it was great to see the visuals, being this close to the band is surreal. Being able to walk around the arena and have multiple perspectives, fantastic. You can see the visuals if you go all the way back on the floor. Actually, seeing the wave in UTEOW from the mid back side near the e stage is very effective!!

GA is a party of appreciation and celebration!! So much fun!

Welcome to the club Mom, I've been preaching this since The Outside Broadcast U2 in G.A. is the best possible experience I will NEVER go back to seats !
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: mdmomof7 on June 18, 2015, 11:35:54 PM
Thank you, Parsons. ;) To clarify my post - of my 6 U2ieTour shows so far, I've seen 5 in GA and one in a seat. Going forward, I currently have 4 GAs and 4 seats. I'd like to make that all GA now! :D

A new friend I just met yesterday, from Copenhagen, had a $300 seat for closing night Montreal. She found me on the floor and told me she was able to sell it for $120 when she received access to a LAST MINUTE GA ticket for closing night. She was thrilled having seen them in GA on Saturday night!!

I wonder what GA in arenas is like? HOPE I get to find out soon!  :D
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: d.darroch on June 18, 2015, 11:53:27 PM
There was no 'switcheroo' of the stage. Anyone who says so is just plain wrong. The minor e-stage was always to be positioned near the end that has the RZ's on the TM map (although the RZ's have subsequently been moved). See the very detailed San Jose map, which has been available since day 1, for verification.

Although the stage wasn't flipped at the last minute, what has been lacking, is any form of communication. The TM maps just weren't good enough. Accurate maps should have been provided, & restricted view warnings should have been given to end of arena seats.

I actually really like the stage design. Everyone in GA gets a great view (except very short people, who will struggle to find a rail with good views), while the majority of seats have great views (seats at the sides of the arena have brilliant views of the band performing on the main I-stage, the catwalk & the e-stage, & great views of the screen). The percentage of seats in the arena with good views must be similar to a traditional end - of - stage setup. It's just those end of arena seats. The restricted views from these seats should have been communicated, & the number of cheap seats ($30 & $65) should have been raised, although this may have raised the prices of other seats, to keep the tour profitable.

For anyone worried about their end-of-arena seats, all I'd recommend is arriving early, checking your seat, & if you have a problem with the view, going to customer service & asking to be moved. Looks like quite a few people have had success with this approach, for a Denver show I think they moved EVERYONE from the arena ends.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: d.darroch on June 19, 2015, 12:06:36 AM
I'd agree with Parsons, every tour is made for GA, the energy is unrivalled. I've had GA for all shows I've attended since ZooTV, with the exception of a sneaky trip from the floor to a $30 seat in the very back row of Vegas 360, for the encores. It was great to see the CLAW all lit up, bit I'm glad all my other experiences were in GA.

While I agree that GA is the place to be, for those that are unwilling or unable to stand for an entire show, I think this stage layout is brilliant for those in seats (with the exception of the end-of-arena seats), offering very close views of the band.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: d.darroch on June 19, 2015, 12:28:45 AM
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Ok after reading this thread I'm starting to get concerned for the upcoming Toronto show. My wife and I are going to see U2 for the first time and have seats in the lowers, row 18 directly behind the stage. I'm less concerned about sitting behind the band then I am having my view blocked by the screen. Will I still be able to see the performance at the other stage from where I'm sitting?
As you are lower bowl, your views shouldn't be badly obstructed (although row 18 is quite high), like some people here. You'll have rear views of the band when they perform on the main I-stage. For the majority of the time the band spend at the other end of the arena, performing on the e-stage, your views should be ok, hopefully looking under the screen (which blocks views for those people above you in the upper bowl). You will have no views for the couple of songs when the screen is lowered. You will have no views of the screen at all times (just a small screen for the arena ends).

I'd recommend getting there early, checking your seat, going to customer service & asking to be moved. There will be spare seats for just such requests (but get there early as spare seats will be limited).
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: PatateTony35 on June 19, 2015, 06:19:16 AM
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There was no 'switcheroo' of the stage. Anyone who says so is just plain wrong. The minor e-stage was always to be positioned near the end that has the RZ's on the TM map (although the RZ's have subsequently been moved). See the very detailed San Jose map, which has been available since day 1, for verification.

Although the stage wasn't flipped at the last minute, what has been lacking, is any form of communication. The TM maps just weren't good enough. Accurate maps should have been provided, & restricted view warnings should have been given to end of arena seats.

I actually really like the stage design. Everyone in GA gets a great view (except very short people, who will struggle to find a rail with good views), while the majority of seats have great views (seats at the sides of the arena have brilliant views of the band performing on the main I-stage, the catwalk & the e-stage, & great views of the screen). The percentage of seats in the arena with good views must be similar to a traditional end - of - stage setup. It's just those end of arena seats. The restricted views from these seats should have been communicated, & the number of cheap seats ($30 & $65) should have been raised, although this may have raised the prices of other seats, to keep the tour profitable.

For anyone worried about their end-of-arena seats, all I'd recommend is arriving early, checking your seat, & if you have a problem with the view, going to customer service & asking to be moved. Looks like quite a few people have had success with this approach, for a Denver show I think they moved EVERYONE from the arena ends.

for the short people there's still good empty space in the GA, they can just be at the back of the mass a little bit for a good view!
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: UnknownCaller98 on June 19, 2015, 07:38:56 AM
I've just seen the final seating plan for the O2 in London and have discovered that I have paid £200 for 2 tickets behind the stage with no view of the screen. Essentially I've been ripped off: no mention when purchasing that the seats were restricted view, and the first seating plan was extremely unclear. It's shocking how they can charge so much for crap views, they shouldn't be sold at all. Surely no other music tour in history has had so many restricted views and poor planning.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: singnomore on June 19, 2015, 09:21:02 AM

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I've just seen the final seating plan for the O2 in London and have discovered that I have paid £200 for 2 tickets behind the stage with no view of the screen. Essentially I've been ripped off: no mention when purchasing that the seats were restricted view, and the first seating plan was extremely unclear. It's shocking how they can charge so much for crap views, they shouldn't be sold at all. Surely no other music tour in history has had so many restricted views and poor planning.

Where did you access it?
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: UnknownCaller98 on June 19, 2015, 09:37:17 AM
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I've just seen the final seating plan for the O2 in London and have discovered that I have paid £200 for 2 tickets behind the stage with no view of the screen. Essentially I've been ripped off: no mention when purchasing that the seats were restricted view, and the first seating plan was extremely unclear. It's shocking how they can charge so much for crap views, they shouldn't be sold at all. Surely no other music tour in history has had so many restricted views and poor planning.

Where did you access it?
When you choose your tickets on the AXS website, the map now shows the positions of the Red Zones and 2 stages.
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: singnomore on June 19, 2015, 09:46:55 AM

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I've just seen the final seating plan for the O2 in London and have discovered that I have paid £200 for 2 tickets behind the stage with no view of the screen. Essentially I've been ripped off: no mention when purchasing that the seats were restricted view, and the first seating plan was extremely unclear. It's shocking how they can charge so much for crap views, they shouldn't be sold at all. Surely no other music tour in history has had so many restricted views and poor planning.

Where did you access it?
When you choose your tickets on the AXS website, the map now shows the positions of the Red Zones and 2 stages.

Thanks!
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: kevc on June 19, 2015, 01:25:38 PM
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I just read a letter from the promoter of Fare Thee Well tour and the promoter is guaranteeing show to folks who bought tickets that were changed do to creating more tickets. Some folks thought they were buying seats on floor which is now GA in back of Pit etc. He said in letter if you are disappointed with your seats or show they will refund you money in full after the show. Now that is unique in music business.

Bummer about the seating charts etc and wish that TM or Band would make it right for fans who didn't find what they were looking for as seating chart being flipped etc. I know some of the seats with obstructed view were priced cheaper but not sure it told u at time of purchase it was limited.

Anyone thought how this show would work in Stadium? Will they be able to pull it off if that is what they plan next year?

If they wanted to do it in a stadium everything would have to be proportionally bigger to make it work otherwise they risk having even more bad views.

They would also have to not sell the head on tickets and of course the sound system would need to be re-thought.

In my view they would be much better off in a stadium with a normal end stage (give up selling the seats behind, u2 you don't need the cash) with the screen behind them working it's magic, don't have it on for the first songs....they could still have the runway and b stage, just make the runway bigger and the b stage bigger. They could still go in the screen just enter it from the side.

For all the supposed 360 was in the round in a stadium it really wasn't a lot of the time, it was stuck at one end of the stadium like a normal show, yes people sat behind it but they didn't really play to those people that much.
i'm hoping for a potential rethink on the Glasgow shows, i've got £30 seats on the Friday head on over the E stage, given it's crescent set up at the hydro, i'm hoping that they maybe tweak the design. no seats behind the stage so could potentially utilise the video differently
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: Giga Razor on June 19, 2015, 01:54:47 PM
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I hear ya. I had a very similar experience for Vancouver 1. My friends and I were in a box in the end zone (E-Stage side) and once the screen came down after the first 4 songs we couldn't see anything. We couldn't see the band and we couldn't see the screen. It was ridiculous. You pay good money to see the band and we end up seeing nothing.

SOI was by far the worst U2 show I've seen (been to multiple shows each tour since Zoo TV) and was probably the most disappointing concert experience of my life and i've seen hundreds of shows. It left such a bad taste in my mouth (and friends) that 4 of us had planned on getting tickets from scalpers for night 2 and we decided to stay home, which is something I never ever would have thought I'd do: purposely skip a U2 show 10 minutes away from my house.
It's not the Imax,u are at a rock concert for Christ's sake it's the sounds that are supposed to connect anything else is wrapping paper,u don't go home humming the video or light show,u didn't go all the way to Vancouver to watch TV or did ya?
Title: Re: U2 Montreal Rant!
Post by: UnknownCaller98 on June 19, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
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I hear ya. I had a very similar experience for Vancouver 1. My friends and I were in a box in the end zone (E-Stage side) and once the screen came down after the first 4 songs we couldn't see anything. We couldn't see the band and we couldn't see the screen. It was ridiculous. You pay good money to see the band and we end up seeing nothing.

SOI was by far the worst U2 show I've seen (been to multiple shows each tour since Zoo TV) and was probably the most disappointing concert experience of my life and i've seen hundreds of shows. It left such a bad taste in my mouth (and friends) that 4 of us had planned on getting tickets from scalpers for night 2 and we decided to stay home, which is something I never ever would have thought I'd do: purposely skip a U2 show 10 minutes away from my house.
It's not the Imax,u are at a rock concert for Christ's sake it's the sounds that are supposed to connect anything else is wrapping paper,u don't go home humming the video or light show,u didn't go all the way to Vancouver to watch TV or did ya?
But being able to see the band and the show is part of the concert experience, if that's not important you might as well just pay £100 to sit in an arena listening to music out of the PA, or just buy a live album.