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Title: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: Vox on July 06, 2015, 07:15:57 AM
Decent article.  http://www.salon.com/2015/07/05/leave_u2_alone_why_did_one_of_our_best_rock_bands_become_so_loathed/
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Post by: hrsan on July 06, 2015, 08:49:53 AM
It's easy to hit a target when it's as huge as U2.
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Post by: Mary C on July 06, 2015, 07:35:52 PM
Yeah, from the very same website that posted that "U2's Fall From Grace" article last fall, and it wasn't even their own writer, it was taken from some p*ssant little site nobody has heard of. They have great writers. I'd have understood it better of it was their opinion! Are they feeling guilty now methinks?
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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 06, 2015, 07:37:48 PM
U2 aren't loathed, or hated or even disliked.  They're just not cool and for obvious reasons.

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Post by: codeguy on July 07, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
U2 does not need to be 'cool' anymore. Remember, they were the uncool band in the 80's, when G n'R and Bon Jovi were the hip acts, and U2, as huge as they were, were the serious alternative for serious minded people. Cool was something they discovered in the 90's, and while it worked for 90's U2, it's looking jaded now.

Better to be just great. Which they still are.
Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: an tha on July 07, 2015, 09:33:38 AM
U2 has one major 'problem' - Bono.

Or to be fairer and more accurate, how people perceive Bono....and that has bled through to how people feel about the bands music, the band collectively and individually and everything associated with U2.

He is a hugely divisive figure, a figure who attracts so much derision and hate, and of course from fans so much love....

I am not saying it is right, but it is how it is - people hate Bono, and by extension people hate U2.
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Post by: hrsan on July 07, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Anybody want to put up a youtube video screaming and crying "leave them alone!"?
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Post by: jjcruiser on July 07, 2015, 11:39:47 AM
It was a good article but I was a little surprised at the premise.

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U2 has one major 'problem' - Bono.

Or to be fairer and more accurate, how people perceive Bono....and that has bled through to how people feel about the bands music, the band collectively and individually and everything associated with U2.

He is a hugely divisive figure, a figure who attracts so much derision and hate, and of course from fans so much love....

I am not saying it is right, but it is how it is - people hate Bono, and by extension people hate U2.

Really?  "Hugely divisive"? 

Who actually hates U2 or Bono?  Except for a few millennial UK hipsters writing for music blogs, I only ever hear of enormous fans (here), mild fans who don't keep up with new stuff but "like that song Mary J sings with Bono," or indifference.  If the world's view of Bono and U2 was actually what British fanboy rock-blogs thought, I guess I might agree with you.  But I've yet to actually meet a human being in person who doesn't at least appreciate Bono, even if they aren't huge fans of the band's music.   And I think those people are the same people who complaint about free music; complain when their non-fat extra-hot half-cafe soy latte doesn't have sufficient room; and go apeshit when their mom washes their skinny hemp jeans in a warm instead of cold cycle.

How can we not appreciate him?  (Still) married father of four rock star who takes vacations in Africa for antiviral campaigns or at economics conferences in Davos trying to get debt relief, and who is willing to poke fun at himself for drinking $1500 bottle DRC and wearing high heels in concert?  It's just insane to me that he takes even the slightest bit of criticism.  What, because he took a picture with Bush so he could get millions of dollars in aid smoothed through Congress? 

I'm not saying that there isn't noise around the band.  But in all seriousness I think we imagine more vitriol than there really is in reality with normal people, because we end up reading reviews by self-appointed music "critics" who wouldn't know a C-chord if it bit them.
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Post by: an tha on July 07, 2015, 12:06:52 PM
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It was a good article but I was a little surprised at the premise.

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U2 has one major 'problem' - Bono.

Or to be fairer and more accurate, how people perceive Bono....and that has bled through to how people feel about the bands music, the band collectively and individually and everything associated with U2.

He is a hugely divisive figure, a figure who attracts so much derision and hate, and of course from fans so much love....

I am not saying it is right, but it is how it is - people hate Bono, and by extension people hate U2.

Really?  "Hugely divisive"? 

Who actually hates U2 or Bono?  Except for a few millennial UK hipsters writing for music blogs, I only ever hear of enormous fans (here), mild fans who don't keep up with new stuff but "like that song Mary J sings with Bono," or indifference.  If the world's view of Bono and U2 was actually what British fanboy rock-blogs thought, I guess I might agree with you.  But I've yet to actually meet a human being in person who doesn't at least appreciate Bono, even if they aren't huge fans of the band's music.   And I think those people are the same people who complaint about free music; complain when their non-fat extra-hot half-cafe soy latte doesn't have sufficient room; and go apeshit when their mom washes their skinny hemp jeans in a warm instead of cold cycle.

How can we not appreciate him?  (Still) married father of four rock star who takes vacations in Africa for antiviral campaigns or at economics conferences in Davos trying to get debt relief, and who is willing to poke fun at himself for drinking $1500 bottle DRC and wearing high heels in concert?  It's just insane to me that he takes even the slightest bit of criticism.  What, because he took a picture with Bush so he could get millions of dollars in aid smoothed through Congress? 

I'm not saying that there isn't noise around the band.  But in all seriousness I think we imagine more vitriol than there really is in reality with normal people, because we end up reading reviews by self-appointed music "critics" who wouldn't know a C-chord if it bit them.

I can tell you quite categorically that I know very few people who don't think Bono is a knobhead....I also post on two other forums where whenever music is mentioned and u2 are mentioned Bono gets it down the banks.

Indifference as you suggested is something I rarely see in relation to Bono....

I tried defending him one night down my local and I was surprised at the level of disdain, mickey taking and issue people took with him.
 
This kind of thing is very prevalent on the Internet for example....http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bono

Take a look scroll through - be warned some of it is pretty fierce so if you get offended by stuff you might want to swerve it...

Go and look at the comments on any article about the band.

By the way the author of that urban dictionary piece will be pleased to note the ticket prices for the new tour!

I'm not saying i agree with all this, but let's not pretend it isn't there and isn't pretty loud too!
Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
It's better to arouse love and intense dislike than to be invisible.
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Post by: jjcruiser on July 07, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
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I'm not saying i agree with all this, but let's not pretend it isn't there and isn't pretty loud too!

I guess I just don't count urban dictionary as "normal people" and I am surprised at how different your anecdotal experience is from mine.  Weird.  There's so many substantive responses to the criticisms I could make, but I'm guessing I don't need to make those here and don't want to drift off topic.

I thought the article was interesting.  I remain surprised at the vitriol and suspicious the internet blogger trolls magnify it beyond reality.
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Post by: an tha on July 07, 2015, 01:17:47 PM
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I'm not saying i agree with all this, but let's not pretend it isn't there and isn't pretty loud too!

I guess I just don't count urban dictionary as "normal people" and I am surprised at how different your anecdotal experience is from mine.  Weird.  There's so many substantive responses to the criticisms I could make, but I'm guessing I don't need to make those here and don't want to drift off topic.

I thought the article was interesting.  I remain surprised at the vitriol and suspicious the internet blogger trolls magnify it beyond reality.

I don't necessarily care about if Bono is lauded or loathed....but all I can say is that I see and hear a lot more loathing than lauding, one of the biggest barometers is the comments section of any article about u2 that pops up on line.

Of course the negative voices are usually louder, and therefore more noticeable but for my money the general perception of Bono is pretty bad.

There is a plethora of 'anti bono' sites and Web pieces, I would wager a lot more than other music legends. Whether you count these people as normal as you put it or not they are out there and I assume you noticed the very high number of likes against those pieces on the link I posted (they outweighed the dislikes)

The thing is though it really does not matter, if fans like his music and like him who cares what other people think....
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Post by: SlyDanner on July 07, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
There certainly is a ton of anti-Bono sentiment out there... JJ I don't know where you live but hard to believe you don't see it... or maybe you just tune it out and forget it which is fine...

Even a casual stroll through these forum halls will show you Bono inspires mixed feelings even amongst the faithful... i.e. the hardcore fans... my personal view for example is that while the haters can be ridiculous, I also recognize he gives them plenty of oxygen to fan the flames, unfortunately...
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Post by: wolf on July 07, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
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U2 aren't loathed, or hated or even disliked.  They're just not cool and for obvious reasons.

I guess that is why the last tour was the highest attended and highest grossing by any music artist in history? You sure do make a lot of money and attract a lot of people being uncool.
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Post by: kango on July 07, 2015, 02:02:01 PM
The problem is Bono has created a perfect storm in that on any day, he can be hated by both left and right - artists with political interests were generally supposed to be the darlings of one and idiots for the other. You could say Bono has broken new ground. He has been both brave and brilliant in doing so but by being this mass of contradictions to achieve both campaigner success and entertainment / business success he has left himself open to attack from all sides.

I do wonder if John Lennon would have been the model for this if he had lived. Of course in the UK, we would have let him get away with a lot. Bono doesn't because he was born on the wrong side of that bit of water.
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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
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U2 aren't loathed, or hated or even disliked.  They're just not cool and for obvious reasons.

I guess that is why the last tour was the highest attended and highest grossing by any music artist in history? You sure do make a lot of money and attract a lot of people being uncool.

Warren Buffett does and so did Phil Collins
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Post by: SlyDanner on July 07, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
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The problem is Bono has created a perfect storm in that on any day, he can be hated by both left and right - artists with political interests were generally supposed to be the darlings of one and idiots for the other. You could say Bono has broken new ground. He has been both brave and brilliant in doing so but by being this mass of contradictions to achieve both campaigner success and entertainment / business success he has left himself open to attack from all sides.

I do wonder if John Lennon would have been the model for this if he had lived. Of course in the UK, we would have let him get away with a lot. Bono doesn't because he was born on the wrong side of that bit of water.

If Bono were a Brit, they would tear him apart there as well.  Yeah the Irish are known for it, but it's not like that doesn't happen in the UK, or lots of other places for that matter...
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Post by: an tha on July 07, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
I think Bono would get the easiest ride so to speak if he was American, bigger country, less of a goldfish bowl, generally I think more receptive to Bono's personality and a little less cynical about superstars.

I think Bono knows that as well and that is one of the reasons he has embraced American culture so much and even some might say been a bit of a faux American at times.
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Post by: Johnny_Mac12 on July 07, 2015, 02:59:33 PM
Lol the first entry in the urban dictionary under U2 is hilarious.

I do seem to know a lot of people who hate Bono and U2. Few of them know anything about U2 except that U2 put an album on their phone and that the cover is gay. Oh yeah and that U2 is old. Very often the comversation goes like this:
Friend: U2 sucks
Me: you should actually try listening the them
Friend: I have
Me: name one song
Friend: I don't know

Some "trianed musician" the other week told me that Bono sings off key in every song. After hearing that guy sing, I think he could use a few pointers from Bono.

However, most of the people that hate on Bono are younger. Whenever I talk to someone older about U2, they either like them or respect them. Bono haters are not the majority. However, they are the majority of young people. Young people run the Internet, which is why at times it seems like almost everyone hates Bono.
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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 03:02:32 PM
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I think Bono would get the easiest ride so to speak if he was American, bigger country, less of a goldfish bowl, generally I think more receptive to Bono's personality and a little less cynical about superstars.

I think Bono knows that as well and that is one of the reasons he has embraced American culture so much and even some might say been a bit of a faux American at times.

America's where the money at. at least it has been for U2.

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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 03:03:31 PM
+ Americans admire success whereas Europeans resent it and envy it. hence the high taxes.
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Post by: jjcruiser on July 07, 2015, 03:32:31 PM
I think there are some astute comments in here about how ability attracts criticism.

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+ Americans admire success whereas Europeans resent it and envy it. hence the high taxes.

That's not universally true or even mostly true.  Hence 99% movements in the U.S.

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There certainly is a ton of anti-Bono sentiment out there... JJ I don't know where you live but hard to believe you don't see it... or maybe you just tune it out and forget it which is fine...

Even a casual stroll through these forum halls will show you Bono inspires mixed feelings even amongst the faithful... i.e. the hardcore fans... my personal view for example is that while the haters can be ridiculous, I also recognize he gives them plenty of oxygen to fan the flames, unfortunately...

I'm 42.  I grew up on AB through college, where all my friends liked U2 but most of them thought I was fanatical.  I occasionally run into people who dislike the band but it's rare.  I don't hear a lot from people who dislike Bono.  When I do, I tend to get a little vocal about how selfish, arrogant, and myopic his detractors are.  On reflection, I had a conversation with my brother (not a U2 fan) that went like this:

Bro:  Obama won the Nobel.
Me:  Greatest tragedy in Nobel laureate history is that award not going to Bono.
Bro:  The rock star?  He's annoying because...uh...
Me:  He's the loudest voice for humanitarian aid for the developing world since Mother Theresa?
*pause*
Bro:  I liked that song they sing with Mary J. Blige.
Me:  That sucked.  The live version at Modena with Brian Eno is much better.
Bro:  Whatever.

So maybe I tune it out. 

I think it's fair to criticize his voice or singing style.  I know people like Bob Dylan.  I can't stand Bob Dylan.  So I don't mind that.  I think it's fair to criticize their music in general.  If you like Garth Brooks--I got nothing for you.  But if it's really occurring, I think it's irresponsibly idiotic to criticize Bono for his humanitarian efforts, tax shelter notions, or political alliances.  This is not unique to Bono--I routinely hear criticism of other humanitarians/missionaries/Peace Corps/etc., because they aren't doing their particular humanitarian efforts exactly the way the criticizer would like.  I think that kind of criticism is one of the worst and least justifiable kinds of criticism in the world and it makes me furious like almost nothing else.

Okay off my soapbox now. 

Still an interesting article and discussion.

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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 04:23:29 PM
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I think there are some astute comments in here about how ability attracts criticism.

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+ Americans admire success whereas Europeans resent it and envy it. hence the high taxes.

That's not universally true or even mostly true.  Hence 99% movements in the U.S.

I says it is


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Post by: jjcruiser on July 07, 2015, 05:38:55 PM
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I think there are some astute comments in here about how ability attracts criticism.

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+ Americans admire success whereas Europeans resent it and envy it. hence the high taxes.

That's not universally true or even mostly true.  Hence 99% movements in the U.S.

I says it is

Except see, e.g., hatred of Wall Street, of Lebron James, of the New England Patriots, of Congress, of Monsanto, of the pretty girl in school, of David Hasselhoff...

need I go on?

:)
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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 06:50:22 PM
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I think there are some astute comments in here about how ability attracts criticism.

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+ Americans admire success whereas Europeans resent it and envy it. hence the high taxes.

That's not universally true or even mostly true.  Hence 99% movements in the U.S.

I says it is

Except see, e.g., hatred of Wall Street, of Lebron James, of the New England Patriots, of Congress, of Monsanto, of the pretty girl in school, of David Hasselhoff...

need I go on?

:)

I'm not convinced. sorry
Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: Mr. Red on July 07, 2015, 08:10:00 PM
I don't think many can argue what Bono has accomplished from a humanitarian standpoint. I think simply put, It's his overall approach to things and how he presents himself that grates people. It's so ego driven and the guy just never goes away. I think if he did things just a little bit more behind the scenes then he wouldn't be so loathed. Take Adam as an example. Now of course he is not the front man but ever read an interview with him or hear him talk about his charity work or even their music?? He just comes across as so much more genuine and honest and not spot light driven. His entire approach is so much better. And quite frankly, he is just so much cooler. Bono just tries too hard all the time and is a self acknowledged megalomaniac. For me, I try to separate my current feelings about Bono from the music but admittedly, it is hard sometimes to do that.
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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 07, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
my guess is bono has a healthy IDGAF attitude

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Post by: Tuolumne on July 07, 2015, 10:23:59 PM
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I don't think many can argue what Bono has accomplished from a humanitarian standpoint. I think simply put, It's his overall approach to things and how he presents himself that grates people. It's so ego driven and the guy just never goes away. I think if he did things just a little bit more behind the scenes then he wouldn't be so loathed. Take Adam as an example. Now of course he is not the front man but ever read an interview with him or hear him talk about his charity work or even their music?? He just comes across as so much more genuine and honest and not spot light driven. His entire approach is so much better. And quite frankly, he is just so much cooler. Bono just tries too hard all the time and is a self acknowledged megalomaniac. For me, I try to separate my current feelings about Bono from the music but admittedly, it is hard sometimes to do that.

The difference between the two is Bono has the vast amount of currency generated by being the famous frontman. Adam doesn't attract the cameras even if he wanted them to. When you have the media hounding you constantly as the larger-than-life lead singer of one of the most successful bands in the world, the wisest thing you can do with that is to spend that currency on something more worthwhile, like HIV/AIDS, debt relief, Africa, etc. The media want their rockstar trainwreck excess and Bono gives them something more serious, something that pricks the conscience and it makes them uncomfortable, 
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Post by: ultravioletlight on July 07, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
I think it's mostly young people.
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Post by: imaginary friend on July 07, 2015, 11:05:32 PM
The band should revel in the hate. After all, consider the sources.
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Post by: tom_b1807 on July 08, 2015, 12:34:32 AM
The biggest problem people I know seem to have with him is that he wears sunglasses indoors. The internet is whole different kettle of fish.
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Post by: Doming0 on July 08, 2015, 12:56:40 AM
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my guess is bono has a healthy IDGAF attitude

LOL yep.

U2 would never have succeeded this long without his "grating" personality.
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Post by: wlomaco on July 08, 2015, 08:03:06 AM
I guarantee you that if he was way quieter about things, he would not have made the impact he has from a humanitarian standpoint.  There's a reason he should have won the Nobel.

I think the guy is funnier than hell (periscope any current concert for current examples), he's also willing to be corny (periscope any current concert for current examples, e.g., his dad jokes), self depricating (Jimmy Fallon), but sure, he has an outsized ego.  His other "stuff" in the positive column outweighs the ego for me, but I can see how it'd rub some the wrong way if they don't appreciate the whole context and package, especially including the underlying message of the music which is very consistent with the humanitarian work.

If you can't get past the ego, I still can't quite get over how willing haters are to go out of their way to go onto u2 sites or twitter or whatever and express their hate.  Coldplay is better lately, but in their "Paradise" days I simply couldn't stand them.  Have I ever bothered posting a thing about Chris Martin or the band, even though Chris Martin is kind of obnoxious and strange?  No.  (Well, ok, I just did I guess).

I agree with other posters, hate them for their music or for Bono's voice, or whatever, but hate them for their humanitarian work? Or cuz Bono wears sunglasses?  Or cuz they are cool to hate?  Like with the SOI release, PLEASE get over it all of you haters with first world problems!

P.S.  Speaking of legitimate reasons to not like a band, case in point my 17 year old.  Dragged him to a 360 when he was 12.  He was madder than hell at me.  Had to begrudgingly admit it as a cool light show.  Fast forward 5 years, the kid routinely plays WOWY, NYD, etc. on the bass.  Told me they are the best band out there, with the best music, and he'd listen to them all the time, but he just doesn't care for Bono's voice.  That's legit.  If we could have more of that. 

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I don't think many can argue what Bono has accomplished from a humanitarian standpoint. I think simply put, It's his overall approach to things and how he presents himself that grates people. It's so ego driven and the guy just never goes away. I think if he did things just a little bit more behind the scenes then he wouldn't be so loathed. Take Adam as an example. Now of course he is not the front man but ever read an interview with him or hear him talk about his charity work or even their music?? He just comes across as so much more genuine and honest and not spot light driven. His entire approach is so much better. And quite frankly, he is just so much cooler. Bono just tries too hard all the time and is a self acknowledged megalomaniac. For me, I try to separate my current feelings about Bono from the music but admittedly, it is hard sometimes to do that.
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Post by: satellitedog on July 08, 2015, 08:32:17 AM
It's the market saturation they usually go for with new albums, plus the simplistic view of the band in mass media and Bono is the big cherry head on the icing. I always like Bono a lot more in personal interviews and informal conversations.
I hate his rehearsed soundbites and belt-sanded quips on television and quick interviews. Plus I hate when they give band interviews, as they tend to become a diplomatic delegation of the brand rather than human beings.
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Post by: Bantering ram on July 08, 2015, 08:57:43 AM
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It was a good article but I was a little surprised at the premise.

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U2 has one major 'problem' - Bono.

Or to be fairer and more accurate, how people perceive Bono....and that has bled through to how people feel about the bands music, the band collectively and individually and everything associated with U2.

He is a hugely divisive figure, a figure who attracts so much derision and hate, and of course from fans so much love....

I am not saying it is right, but it is how it is - people hate Bono, and by extension people hate U2.

Really?  "Hugely divisive"? 

Who actually hates U2 or Bono?  Except for a few millennial UK hipsters writing for music blogs, I only ever hear of enormous fans (here), mild fans who don't keep up with new stuff but "like that song Mary J sings with Bono," or indifference.

Seriously? Whoah....that is possibly the most astounding thing I've ever heard. Unless of course, you're typing your contributions from a desert island or your name happens to be Guggi but still, both of these scenarios seem more conceivable to me than obliviousness to Bono hate.

I live/work in Manchester (U.K.), surrounded by a diverse mix of weird and wonderful folk (arguably a representative sample of 'normal people') but one of the most unifying themes across the majority I know, is a hatred (or at best, distaste) of Bono.

Whether it's the music, pompousness, preaching, itunes thing etc it's clear there are many sources from which to throw out some hate at this larger than average target. What's possibly the biggest Bono of contention (and what I find most difficult to defend against) is the huge level of hypocrisy he oozes: preaching regularly on the virtues of equality when his lavish lifestyle (despite being generous) epitomizes the gaping divide between the rich and the poor.

I hasten to add I'm a massive U2 fan, but I can empathize with some of the anti-Bono sentiments out there.
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Post by: Streets on July 08, 2015, 10:01:41 AM
Arrogance is when you think you're better than everyone else. Megalomania is when you want to be better than everyone else. I'll take megalomania.

When I was in college during the 360 tour, my friends were fairly indifferent to U2. When I told them I saw U2 last night, their response was, "Oh, that sounds cool. How was it?" Some have said they saw U2 in concert too, and they said it was pretty good. I even saw one guy my age walking around with a U2360 shirt. I might be living on an island or I might have super-polite friends, but I think the consensus I got at my college (medium-sized, in a medium-sized city) was that U2 are kind of cool but old geezers.

I lurk on another forum that has nothing to do with any kind of music. About the time that the SOI Apple release came out, I saw a new thread: "U2..." I go, Uh-oh, a bashing thread. Gingerly, I open it up. It reads, "If you like U2, there's a new album for free on iTunes! Go download it!" A number of posters, mostly the regulars, pop in with, "I love U2! Thanks for the heads-up! Listening now!" Granted, most of the folks on that forum are middle-aged, and a lot of them are Springsteen fans, but I do think U2 is well-liked among the general populace. It's the haters who all have something to say, or maybe some internet trolls who don't really know a lot about U2 but jumped onboard the hater boat. I know before I was a fan I couldn't stand U2 and was sick of seeing them referenced everywhere. Then I decided to go give it a listen to see what the fuss was all about.
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Post by: SlyDanner on July 08, 2015, 10:10:28 AM
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I think there are some astute comments in here about how ability attracts criticism.

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+ Americans admire success whereas Europeans resent it and envy it. hence the high taxes.

That's not universally true or even mostly true.  Hence 99% movements in the U.S.

I says it is

Except see, e.g., hatred of Wall Street, of Lebron James, of the New England Patriots, of Congress, of Monsanto, of the pretty girl in school, of David Hasselhoff...

need I go on?

:)

I'm not convinced. sorry
neither am I.  that was a weak list to put it mildly.
Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: SlyDanner on July 08, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
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Arrogance is when you think you're better than everyone else. Megalomania is when you want to be better than everyone else. I'll take megalomania.


Let me correct you:

Arrogance is when you think you're better than everyone else. Megalomania is when you are convinced you are better than everyone else.

Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: jjcruiser on July 08, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
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Who actually hates U2 or Bono?  Except for a few millennial UK hipsters writing for music blogs, I only ever hear of enormous fans (here), mild fans who don't keep up with new stuff but "like that song Mary J sings with Bono," or indifference.
I live/work in Manchester (U.K.), surrounded by a diverse mix of weird and wonderful folk (arguably a representative sample of 'normal people') but one of the most unifying themes across the majority I know, is a hatred (or at best, distaste) of Bono.

No offense, but you basically just made my point.
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Post by: Bantering ram on July 08, 2015, 10:44:46 AM
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Who actually hates U2 or Bono?  Except for a few millennial UK hipsters writing for music blogs, I only ever hear of enormous fans (here), mild fans who don't keep up with new stuff but "like that song Mary J sings with Bono," or indifference.
I live/work in Manchester (U.K.), surrounded by a diverse mix of weird and wonderful folk (arguably a representative sample of 'normal people') but one of the most unifying themes across the majority I know, is a hatred (or at best, distaste) of Bono.

No offense, but you basically just made my point.

Sorry, I'm not following. Were you making the point that the U.K. is exclusively occupied by millennial hipsters working for music blogs? I'd hope you have more 'diversity' around your area than what you're inferring about my home.
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Post by: an tha on July 08, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.



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Post by: SlyDanner on July 08, 2015, 11:17:29 AM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.

That is funny.  In your next meetings you should get more specific:

Do you like his orange hair?
How about the blue shades?
How do you think if he went Birkenstock instead of Frye boots?  Sub-question, if 'yes', socks or no socks?  Maybe socks only for German shows?



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Post by: an tha on July 08, 2015, 11:23:04 AM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.

That is funny.  In your next meetings you should get more specific:

Do you like his orange hair?
How about the blue shades?
How do you think if he went Birkenstock instead of Frye boots?  Sub-question, if 'yes', socks or no socks?  Maybe socks only for German shows?

Ha, you should sit in we could do a weeks worth.

Invite the Q's from here and quiz away.

Much better than actual work
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Post by: SlyDanner on July 08, 2015, 12:23:02 PM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.

That is funny.  In your next meetings you should get more specific:

Do you like his orange hair?
How about the blue shades?
How do you think if he went Birkenstock instead of Frye boots?  Sub-question, if 'yes', socks or no socks?  Maybe socks only for German shows?

Ha, you should sit in we could do a weeks worth.

Invite the Q's from here and quiz away.

Much better than actual work

it would feel like an episode of The Office... the UK (real) version....
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Post by: Mr. Red on July 08, 2015, 01:04:49 PM
Everyone here, for the most part has had some very articulate points regarding this topic and I can appreciate that. I have loved the band for 35+ years. Over the years to be totally honest, Bono has just worn me out,  as the allure is mostly gone. I really appreciate the correction on the megalomania definition Slydancer because it is that character trait that has killed it for me. I still immensely enjoy their music and he does get an awful lot done being an ego maniac.  But I'll keep it very very elementary for a minute....the guy needs to go away for a while or as I mentioned, hang out with Adam even more!!
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Post by: an tha on July 08, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.

That is funny.  In your next meetings you should get more specific:

Do you like his orange hair?
How about the blue shades?
How do you think if he went Birkenstock instead of Frye boots?  Sub-question, if 'yes', socks or no socks?  Maybe socks only for German shows?

Ha, you should sit in we could do a weeks worth.

Invite the Q's from here and quiz away.

Much better than actual work

it would feel like an episode of The Office... the UK (real) version....

It's a fair point, Gareth.
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Post by: The Exile on July 08, 2015, 10:57:53 PM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.

That is funny.  In your next meetings you should get more specific:

Do you like his orange hair?
How about the blue shades?
How do you think if he went Birkenstock instead of Frye boots?  Sub-question, if 'yes', socks or no socks?  Maybe socks only for German shows?

Ha, you should sit in we could do a weeks worth.

Invite the Q's from here and quiz away.

Much better than actual work

it would feel like an episode of The Office... the UK (real) version....

It's a fair point, Gareth.

Gareth Keenan Invetigates.
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Post by: THRILLHO on July 08, 2015, 10:59:53 PM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.

doesnt surprise me. and i love the REM mix up. thats funny.
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Post by: trevgreg on July 09, 2015, 05:35:32 AM
My father asked me the other day, knowing I had went down to Chicago to see them twice, "How was 'YouTube'?"

I honestly don't know if he was joking or not.
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Post by: hrsan on July 09, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
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I decided to run a little poll today....

Part of my job is to hold 1-2-1 meetings with sales managers to discuss their teams performance so I decided to ask each person I met with today (13 of them) what they thought of Bono....

Here are the results:

1 person - he's cool, I like u2
6 people - he's a d**k (or some other less than flattering phrase)
3 people - who is Bono? (youngest of the sample) with 2 of them u2 didn't register either, the other said 'u2 are an old school band aren't they, my dad used to listen to them, they sang losing my religion didn't they'
2 people - he was ok in the 80s but annoys me with his charity work now, are u2 still going.
1 person - He is dead isn't he?

The age range was 21-45

12 men, 1 woman.





Who gets annoyed by charity work?
Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: briscoetheque on July 09, 2015, 07:06:37 AM
A lot of people hate being told where they should put their money by someone with lots.

As others have said, it doesn't have to be logical, but it's indisputable. There are plenty of people that 'hate' bono and by extension U2.

Of course they can't back it up with reasons (beyond 'he's a d**k') but they just know that they hate him. A lot.
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Post by: kango on July 09, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
Just had a browse of the Apple music app for the first time. They create suggested playlists with cute intros. For their post punk U2 playlist, they have introduced it with Bono, before Bono was 'Bono'
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Post by: Nico on July 09, 2015, 02:39:58 PM
We like to polarise in our culture. U2 are very polarised with the amount of love and hate they get. Therefore our culture likes U2!
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Post by: reasons40 on July 10, 2015, 07:27:32 AM
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A lot of people hate being told where they should put their money by someone with lots.

As others have said, it doesn't have to be logical, but it's indisputable. There are plenty of people that 'hate' bono and by extension U2.

Of course they can't back it up with reasons (beyond 'he's a d**k') but they just know that they hate him. A lot.

True.

Nobody wants to listen to a high pressure infomercial in the place of music. And it doesn't take much for that infomercial persona to replace the rock star persona.
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Post by: iehomecoming on July 10, 2015, 09:01:04 AM
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A lot of people hate being told where they should put their money by someone with lots.

As others have said, it doesn't have to be logical, but it's indisputable. There are plenty of people that 'hate' bono and by extension U2.

Of course they can't back it up with reasons (beyond 'he's a d**k') but they just know that they hate him. A lot.

True.

Nobody wants to listen to a high pressure infomercial in the place of music. And it doesn't take much for that infomercial persona to replace the rock star persona.

Ah, you saw the Vertigo tour too then ?

;)
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Post by: This Dave on July 11, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
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I don't think many can argue what Bono has accomplished from a humanitarian standpoint. I think simply put, It's his overall approach to things and how he presents himself that grates people. It's so ego driven and the guy just never goes away. I think if he did things just a little bit more behind the scenes then he wouldn't be so loathed. Take Adam as an example. Now of course he is not the front man but ever read an interview with him or hear him talk about his charity work or even their music?? He just comes across as so much more genuine and honest and not spot light driven. His entire approach is so much better. And quite frankly, he is just so much cooler. Bono just tries too hard all the time and is a self acknowledged megalomaniac. For me, I try to separate my current feelings about Bono from the music but admittedly, it is hard sometimes to do that.

Nothing against Adam, but he's not a front man, and you'd never have heard of U2 if he were. He gets to be under the radar because Bono isn't.
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Post by: Kurukira on July 11, 2015, 08:37:08 PM
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I don't think many can argue what Bono has accomplished from a humanitarian standpoint. I think simply put, It's his overall approach to things and how he presents himself that grates people. It's so ego driven and the guy just never goes away. I think if he did things just a little bit more behind the scenes then he wouldn't be so loathed. Take Adam as an example. Now of course he is not the front man but ever read an interview with him or hear him talk about his charity work or even their music?? He just comes across as so much more genuine and honest and not spot light driven. His entire approach is so much better. And quite frankly, he is just so much cooler. Bono just tries too hard all the time and is a self acknowledged megalomaniac. For me, I try to separate my current feelings about Bono from the music but admittedly, it is hard sometimes to do that.

Nothing against Adam, but he's not a front man, and you'd never have heard of U2 if he were. He gets to be under the radar because Bono isn't.

Adam's not the frontman so he doesn't have the big job of putting up a  front like Bono.   One of Adam's favorite songs is Lemon so as far as I'm concerned I can never ignore him from now on, haha!
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Post by: U2OnceAgain on July 13, 2015, 02:10:43 PM
The problem is Bono got bigger than the band and the music. He went from being cool and aloof to self righteous and obnoxious.

I have been a U2 fan for 30+ years and I love the "Band" but I cannot stand to listen to Bono and what he has to say any longer. I am an adult and I DO NOT need someone to preach to me at all times.

One thing I will say about this tour is it was refreshing not having to listen to him preach like he did on the Bomb tour. They just mostly played music for 2 and a half hours, imagine that, I got what I paid for.
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Post by: Mr. Red on July 13, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
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The problem is Bono got bigger than the band and the music. He went from being cool and aloof to self righteous and obnoxious.

I have been a U2 fan for 30+ years and I love the "Band" but I cannot stand to listen to Bono and what he has to say any longer. I am an adult and I DO NOT need someone to preach to me at all times.

One thing I will say about this tour is it was refreshing not having to listen to him preach like he did on the Bomb tour. They just mostly played music for 2 and a half hours, imagine that, I got what I paid for.

I could't agree more which is why I wrote about just wanting him to go away! (Of course I understand he is the front man) But does it ever overlap for you when it comes to the band itself?? I'm curious because I was/am so worn out by him and his whole scene sometimes it taints my view of their work, etc.
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Post by: Mary C on July 16, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
Haha, then you guys don't remember 1988-'89 very well! There's a reason why I, the consummate fan since '82, like to call that album (and that era) "Throttle And Scum". And this comes from someone who even as I was privately veered between annoyance and outright being p***ed off  at them back then, still defended them publicly. By the tail end of LoveTown (which I dutifully followed via bootleg cassettes purchased from a company advertised via the ad section at the back of Rolling Stone) even I was sick of them.
Do your research on some of his favorite sayings in interviews and from the stage back then. It makes what he says today seem tame. Really. I could post a couple now, but leave that to you folks.

We've been here before, folks. Only we didn't have the Blessed Internet back then. It just magnifies the noise and intensifies and refines the level of the witch hunt. Honestly, if we did, their career might have petered out long ago--in the US, at least.
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Post by: iehomecoming on July 16, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
ON stage, U2's preachiness peaked on the Vertigo tour.

Unless they were more preachy on the Boy, October or Lovetown tours, none of which I witnessed in person. 
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Post by: This Dave on July 20, 2015, 03:15:56 AM
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ON stage, U2's preachiness peaked on the Vertigo tour.

Unless they were more preachy on the Boy, October or Lovetown tours, none of which I witnessed in person.

My impression from he clips I saw of the Vertigo tour was that Bono was starting to behave like the cartoon version of himself imagined by his detractors. When you're trying to explain to people that he doesn't actually make a speech about African hunger or whatever before every song, that doesn't help. In my opinion, there is a point where it takes away from the music in a way that causes more ill-will than it helps.
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Post by: imedi on July 20, 2015, 07:18:09 AM
https://youtu.be/kHmvkRoEowc ;D
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Post by: This Dave on July 20, 2015, 10:25:24 AM
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https://youtu.be/kHmvkRoEowc ;D

You'll find no one who has defended them
more than me. But for at least some of that tour, he was doing what his haters accuse him of doing.
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Post by: imedi on July 20, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
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https://youtu.be/kHmvkRoEowc ;D

You'll find no one who has defended them
more than me. But for at least some of that tour, he was doing what his haters accuse him of doing.
lol to be honest i would agree with alot of what you said bono does tend to waffle a bit too much at times
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Post by: bass slap on July 20, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
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The problem is Bono got bigger than the band and the music. He went from being cool and aloof to self righteous and obnoxious.

I have been a U2 fan for 30+ years and I love the "Band" but I cannot stand to listen to Bono and what he has to say any longer. I am an adult and I DO NOT need someone to preach to me at all times.

One thing I will say about this tour is it was refreshing not having to listen to him preach like he did on the Bomb tour. They just mostly played music for 2 and a half hours, imagine that, I got what I paid for.

I could't agree more which is why I wrote about just wanting him to go away! (Of course I understand he is the front man) But does it ever overlap for you when it comes to the band itself?? I'm curious because I was/am so worn out by him and his whole scene sometimes it taints my view of their work, etc.
Some great points here. There's that much bono worshipping in most threads that it is refreshing. Bono has a tendency of taking me to the brink of disliking the band, but always manages to bring me back round with great musical performances. When he shuts up and plays music everyone wins. Well apart from a tiny minority of crazies that love his political forced views and cheesy stage symbolism cliches etc.

The mask wearing at 360, the uniting of different religions on vertigo.. can blow it out of his ar*e for me... not interested and neither are 99% of paying customers that wish to just hear some of their favourite songs played live..
I think he is genuine,a man of conviction that likes to spread and promote the notion of his idealisms but in practice he is alienating and annoying people on the most part.
We all want peace on earth, but a sermon at a live u2 show won't achieve it.





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Post by: bass slap on July 20, 2015, 05:44:02 PM
Plus taxes. Don't forget the taxes.. anyone mention taxes? ::)
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Post by: bass slap on July 20, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
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Plus taxes. Don't forget the taxes.. anyone mention taxes? ::)

Just kidding, before anyone puts a fist through a wall. But how does bono get to sleep at night with all those millions in his account, knowing that it could be saving lives?
He doesn't need all that money, not as much as the starving do. It's that old statistic of 10% of the population own 80% of the world's wealth. Well, no wonder people are starving in Africa. Now that's the cue to go and punch a wall.
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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 20, 2015, 07:26:31 PM
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Plus taxes. Don't forget the taxes.. anyone mention taxes? ::)

Just kidding, before anyone puts a fist through a wall. But how does bono get to sleep at night with all those millions in his account, knowing that it could be saving lives?
He doesn't need all that money, not as much as the starving do.


How do you know he's not halfway to becoming a modern day St Francis of Assisi?

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Post by: SpookyElectric on July 20, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
speaking of money and charity, here's a brilliant quote from Margaret thatcher

"No one would remember the good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well." ;)
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Post by: The Exile on July 20, 2015, 07:40:34 PM
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speaking of money and charity, here's a brilliant quote from Margaret thatcher

"No one would remember the good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well." ;)

Barf.
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Post by: markreed on July 21, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
I heard that Larry timed the speeches, especially before "One", and gave Bono a very big bollocking after some of the shows for that. The speeches got shorter after they played Washington, for some reason...
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Post by: bass slap on July 21, 2015, 11:33:04 AM
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Plus taxes. Don't forget the taxes.. anyone mention taxes? ::)

Just kidding, before anyone puts a fist through a wall. But how does bono get to sleep at night with all those millions in his account, knowing that it could be saving lives?
He doesn't need all that money, not as much as the starving do.


How do you know he's not halfway to becoming a modern day St Francis of Assisi?

I thought Bill gates was... but yes he could be... and if he hadn't gone down the hair transplant route he would look the part too.
Title: Re: "Leave U2 Alone: Why did one of our best rock bands become so loathed?"
Post by: satellitedog on August 03, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
Give Bass Slap a cookie/beer/hug/mug of coffee/lots of cash everyone.