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Title: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: hrsan on July 20, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
It's no question that Australia, Asia, Africa, and South America gets less shows combined than New York City or London, but looking over their history of touring, who gets gypped more?   Is it North America or Europe when it comes to number of shows, places toured, songs played, and opening acts?
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 20, 2015, 01:51:23 PM
Canada we only got 3 cities not fair
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Jswallow on July 20, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
They always tour the US twice on every tour,, last time they toured uk was 6 years ago...!!
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: SpookyElectric on July 20, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
logistically, it's more profitable to tour North America than elsewhere including Europe.  that might have some bearing on it.

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 21, 2015, 03:34:31 AM
I feel that U2 really should do more cities rather than doing many dates in one city. The fans really loose out elsewhere. They could easily do more cities in North America and extend the tour rather than starting in May and finishing in November with a month break. For instance 8 nights in New York? really?so many fans loose out who are unable to afford the travel. I don't think it is fair to the fans. Take Canada they only played 3 cities I hope their plans are to come back here. They seem to gravitate to certain cities and  in my opinion it's not fair to the fans. They should tour more cities pace themselves so more fans can see in them. The money is there I don't understand why they are so selective and spend more time in one city than another. My opinion. I really feel sorry for so many fans who miss out.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: trevgreg on July 21, 2015, 05:22:16 AM
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I feel that U2 really should do more cities rather than doing many dates in one city. The fans really loose out elsewhere. They could easily do more cities in North America and extend the tour rather than starting in May and finishing in November with a month break.

The fan travel arrangement could be argued, but I'm not sure if it's completely 'easier' for them to just do city after city. I want to say that someone on the team has said it was pretty convenient for them to set up base in one place and not have to disassemble and reassemble the stage over-and-over again.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 21, 2015, 05:52:11 AM
They could easily do 2-3 nights in more cities than 5 and 8 shows seriously in some cities. There is no excuse they tour every four years. They are becoming lazy and have preferred cities that's my opinion. It's still not right. I am glad they played 4 nights in Montreal, but this is for all the other cities that they don't play in which are close. I feel bad for them.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: trevgreg on July 21, 2015, 06:43:08 AM
I wouldn't doubt that it'd be nice for them to hit a few more cities, but I think calling them "lazy" is a bit much. Plenty of fans are willing to travel out for them anyway and they're not exactly younglings anymore. At least they're not restricting it to only a Las Vegas residency or whatever.

Besides, if there's another leg next year, that'll probably put some of those complaints out to pasture. That and I'm sure those markets will be ready for another show after the 360 tour ones anyway.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 21, 2015, 07:21:29 AM
When I say lazy I am referring to the fact that not all fans can afford to travel to see them so they don't put much effort to go to other cities. To assume that everyone had money to travel anywhere to see them is incorrect. If such is the case I wouldn't be posting on this subject if I could afford to go to multiple cities to see them.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 21, 2015, 09:00:00 AM
North America because they didn't come to Texas!
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Post by: skelter on July 21, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
It is very unfair that Disneyland does not come to British Columbia for me and my family.

Disney had money and surely they could do it. Everyone knows they are in the business of bringing happiness to fans much more than actually turning a profit. It's so unfair and Disney is just so lazy as to not bring me extra happiness (me = sample size of 1)
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 21, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
It rains too much in British Columbia You are misinterpreting, they are very comfortable.. playing longer in certain cities. They are far from lazy they are the best band in the world and I love them to death.I just wish they would do more cities. Better!
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Post by: So Cruel on July 21, 2015, 04:24:03 PM
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It rains too much in British Columbia You are misinterpreting, they are very comfortable.. playing longer in certain cities. They are far from lazy they are the best band in the world and I love them to death.I just wish they would do more cities. Better!

It's rained 1 day in the last 3 months in Vancouver! Our weather patterns have really changed in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 21, 2015, 04:40:54 PM
Indeed this has been a very nice year, my brother lives in B.C.beautiful it's God's Country you are very lucky to live in such a gorgeous place.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Giga Razor on July 21, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
Dublin,Ireland gets no shows this year which is a major 2 fingers to their home fans after initially saying they would then saying no venue was big enough for their silly production ,most fans want a straight forward plug in and play gig which they could do in the Point depot  without all the bells and whistles,U2 have become so detached from reality it's sad ,money seems to be the driving factor behind this tour while the most loyal fans lose out .
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 22, 2015, 12:05:12 AM
Going rogue...all but New Zealand get "gypped", because NZ gets to hear "One Tree Hill" near One Tree FREAKING Hill.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: dougie on July 22, 2015, 09:11:01 AM
The European Union has over 500 million people. U.S.A. And Canada has  around 340 million. The EU should get almost 50 percent more shows than NA per population. Europe is getting the short end of the stick!
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: iehomecoming on July 22, 2015, 09:14:03 AM
I'm betting the European union has higher unemployment and less disposable income; U2 has never been shy about following the money.

Asia has a population of 4 BILLION, how many shows have they gotten ?

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: hrsan on July 22, 2015, 09:20:32 AM
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I'm betting the European union has higher unemployment and less disposable income; U2 has never been shy about following the money.

Asia has a population of 4 BILLION, how many shows have they gotten ?



Asia is not a question of their people, it's a question of their Governments.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: iehomecoming on July 22, 2015, 09:55:05 AM
Other big names have played China, Indonesia, Singapore, India, South Korea, etc. Who has stopped U2 playing there other than U2 ?

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 22, 2015, 10:02:40 AM
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Dublin,Ireland gets no shows this year which is a major 2 fingers to their home fans after initially saying they would then saying no venue was big enough for their silly production ,most fans want a straight forward plug in and play gig which they could do in the Point depot  without all the bells and whistles,U2 have become so detached from reality it's sad ,money seems to be the driving factor behind this tour while the most loyal fans lose out .
Don't they usually announce dates in Dublin near the end.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Starman on July 22, 2015, 10:18:37 AM

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It rains too much in British Columbia You are misinterpreting, they are very comfortable.. playing longer in certain cities. They are far from lazy they are the best band in the world and I love them to death.I just wish they would do more cities. Better!

It's rained 1 day in the last 3 months in Vancouver! Our weather patterns have really changed in the last 10 years.

Dang, in Pittsburgh it has rained more this summer than ever. We've only had 50-something dry days this year.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: hrsan on July 22, 2015, 11:17:34 AM
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Other big names have played China, Indonesia, Singapore, India, South Korea, etc. Who has stopped U2 playing there other than U2 ?



Yes other artists have, usually just once.   
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: iehomecoming on July 22, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
Once >>>Never

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: hrsan on July 22, 2015, 12:19:30 PM
It took the Rolling Stones over 30 years to get to China.  Then another 8 to play again.  Give it some time.  I'm sure U2 will make their way to China, India and all the other places.   Keep in mind, it's expensive to bring a show to just one country for just one show.  Not to mention the hassle of getting the proper visas. plus the Chinese government tells the band what songs they can and can't play. 
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Starman on July 22, 2015, 10:48:58 PM

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It took the Rolling Stones over 30 years to get to China.  Then another 8 to play again.  Give it some time.  I'm sure U2 will make their way to China, India and all the other places.   Keep in mind, it's expensive to bring a show to just one country for just one show.  Not to mention the hassle of getting the proper visas. plus the Chinese government tells the band what songs they can and can't play.

I would purposely not play China because of that. Then again, they did play in Moscow on 360.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Waffles on July 23, 2015, 12:12:05 AM
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Dublin,Ireland gets no shows this year which is a major 2 fingers to their home fans after initially saying they would then saying no venue was big enough for their silly production ,most fans want a straight forward plug in and play gig which they could do in the Point depot  without all the bells and whistles,U2 have become so detached from reality it's sad ,money seems to be the driving factor behind this tour while the most loyal fans lose out .

I think dublin will be announced with the 2016 dates or in October.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: d.darroch on July 23, 2015, 03:44:13 AM
I didn't vote, because I don't think anybody gets gypped. We should all think ourselves very lucky to be able to attend any shows. I'm from Australia (though often live elsewhere), so have sometimes had to wait many, many years between shows. I think of each show as a gift.

As for calling the band 'lazy'. If you were wealthy, would you be travelling far from your family, for 2 2/1 months at a time? Performing your hearts out for 2 1/2 hours, on average just about every other night, while multiple band members have injuries to deal with. A month "break" between legs, which will no doubt include quite some time for more rehearsals & working on the new album. Then do it all over again for another 2 1/2 months.

This tour will no doubt run for a very long time. No wonder the band wants to ease the burden on themselves (& improve their finances) by playing mini - residences in fewer cities. Who would want to change hotels every couple of days for such a long period. Instead of labelling the band 'lazy' for not coming to every little neck of the woods for one show, how about working hard, saving some cash, getting off your asses & travelling to a couple of shows. Instead for expecting the band to come to you, their most 'loyal' fans.

Enjoy every minute of every show you get to see!
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: acrobat62 on July 23, 2015, 08:23:12 AM
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I didn't vote, because I don't think anybody gets gypped. We should all think ourselves very lucky to be able to attend any shows. I'm from Australia (though often live elsewhere), so have sometimes had to wait many, many years between shows. I think of each show as a gift.

As for calling the band 'lazy'. If you were wealthy, would you be travelling far from your family, for 2 2/1 months at a time? Performing your hearts out for 2 1/2 hours, on average just about every other night, while multiple band members have injuries to deal with. A month "break" between legs, which will no doubt include quite some time for more rehearsals & working on the new album. Then do it all over again for another 2 1/2 months.

This tour will no doubt run for a very long time. No wonder the band wants to ease the burden on themselves (& improve their finances) by playing mini - residences in fewer cities. Who would want to change hotels every couple of days for such a long period. Instead of labelling the band 'lazy' for not coming to every little neck of the woods for one show, how about working hard, saving some cash, getting off your asses & travelling to a couple of shows. Instead for expecting the band to come to you, their most 'loyal' fans.

Enjoy every minute of every show you get to see!

+1
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: trevgreg on July 23, 2015, 09:34:44 AM
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This tour will no doubt run for a very long time. No wonder the band wants to ease the burden on themselves (& improve their finances) by playing mini - residences in fewer cities. Who would want to change hotels every couple of days for such a long period.

I imagine that their crew is also quite happy with not having to set up and take down stages every few days either.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: hrsan on July 23, 2015, 02:11:44 PM
The question is much more than just the I&E tour.  It's about their entire touring history and their setlists and stage setups.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 23, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
Ouch.!   D.Darroch
If only people had your money must be nice to not  have to struggle living on a single paycheck and all alone..
Good for you.
..
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: d.darroch on July 24, 2015, 04:05:59 AM
Ha, my money, nice one Maria! FYI I earn well below the Aussie average. Traded in professional work for a lifestyle job 15 years ago. Unlike many of my low income Aussie peers (not all of them, but many of them), my priorities are not to spend my hard earned cash on drinking, smoking & gambling. But to save hard, & spend money on things I love like travelling & the very occasional U2 show. If you can't squirrel away a few hundred dollars over a four year period you really must be in a very, very deep financial hole. Or your priorities must lie elsewhere, nothing wrong with that.

The average disposable income in South America is way lower than the North American average. When do they get the opportunity to see their favourite band? Or do you expect the boys to slave away for months in every North American backwater instead.
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Post by: d.darroch on July 24, 2015, 04:16:07 AM
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I'm betting the European union has higher unemployment and less disposable income; U2 has never been shy about following the money.

Not sure if that's true or not, but Europe had far less trouble selling out shows, at ticket prices which I expect are well above those in North America. My London GA's were 64 (including fees), which equates to $100USD, well above the cost of a GA in North America.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: iehomecoming on July 24, 2015, 08:39:25 AM
They're only playing western europe, and population density is greater in western Europe. They didn't play one show in Texas for example, which has 3 of the most populous cities in the US 

Someone in Rome or Lyon for example can easily and cheaply travel to a Turin show, someone from Houston has to make a 2-3 day round trip for 1 show if they fly, longer if they drive.
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Post by: mariamontreal on July 24, 2015, 09:01:46 AM
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Ha, my money, nice one Maria! FYI I earn well below the Aussie average. Traded in professional work for a lifestyle job 15 years ago. Unlike many of my low income Aussie peers (not all of them, but many of them), my priorities are not to spend my hard earned cash on drinking, smoking & gambling. But to save hard, & spend money on things I love like travelling & the very occasional U2 show. If you can't squirrel away a few hundred dollars over a four year period you really must be in a very, very deep financial hole. Or your priorities must lie elsewhere, nothing wrong with that.

The average disposable income in South America is way lower than the North American average. When do they get the opportunity to see their favourite band? Or do you expect the boys to slave away for months in every North AmericSean backwater instead.
Saw 3 shows in Montreal, Don't drink,smoke or gamble.
.get real...
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 24, 2015, 09:52:24 AM
The USA in the 80s, Europe since ZooTV. Come on, neither PopMart, Elevation nor Vertigo got second legs!
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: d.darroch on July 24, 2015, 12:43:49 PM
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Saw 3 shows in Montreal, Don't drink,smoke or gamble.
.get real...
I know you got your 3 shows, & those people you're "standing up for" can get to shows too, if it's important for them. It's all about priorities.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: d.darroch on July 24, 2015, 01:00:05 PM
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They're only playing western europe, and population density is greater in western Europe. They didn't play one show in Texas for example, which has 3 of the most populous cities in the US 

Someone in Rome or Lyon for example can easily and cheaply travel to a Turin show, someone from Houston has to make a 2-3 day round trip for 1 show if they fly, longer if they drive.
Italy, a country of 60 million people, with only 2 shows. Nowhere would have sold out quicker than Italy! Someone from Rome or Lyon can travel to Turin cheaply, if only they can get tickets to the show.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: mariamontreal on July 24, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
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Saw 3 shows in Montreal, Don't drink,smoke or gamble.
.get real...
I know you got your 3 shows, & those people you're "standing up for" can get to shows too, if it's important for them. It's all about priorities.
So did you buy a ticket and fly to New York or anywhere else to see any shows?
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: d.darroch on July 24, 2015, 01:23:46 PM
I am flying from Oz to Europe, & seeing 2 shows in London & 2 shows in Paris, before I start work in Austria. It will take one month of my European wage to pay for my return flight from Oz to Europe. In other words, I live cheaply, & squirrel away money to be able to travel. Missed the opportunity to see 360 with my friends back home in Oz, as I was overseas, but was lucky enough to see it in the US while working there.
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Post by: Blofeld on July 24, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
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I am flying from Oz to Europe, & seeing 2 shows in London & 2 shows in Paris, before I start work in Austria. It will take one month of my European wage to pay for my return flight from Oz to Europe. In other words, I live cheaply, & squirrel away money to be able to travel. Missed the opportunity to see 360 with my friends back home in Oz, as I was overseas, but was lucky enough to see it in the US while working there.

I like your style, pal.  If folks didn't waste so much money on sh** they'd have plenty more to spend on life's experiences.

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Blofeld on July 24, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
I dunno what gypped means but asia get robbed the most.

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: d.darroch on July 24, 2015, 02:07:23 PM
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I like your style, pal.  If folks didn't waste so much money on sh** they'd have plenty more to spend on life's experiences.
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I dunno what gypped means but asia get robbed the most.
Sometimes it's not the money, but the time. Had to leave South America to get back in time for 2nd US leg of 360. Missed once in a lifetime trip to Galapagos (not your average trip, 7 islands). Would have blown the budget, but may never get back there, so wonder if was worth missing for a rock band. Thank god Anaheim 2 was such a good show!

Haha, I always said "gybbed", but it looks like "gypped", from the gypsies. Yeah, Asia does it pretty tough. South America & Australia usually don't have it great, North America has nothing to complain about.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: iehomecoming on July 24, 2015, 03:52:01 PM
It's all about priorities. What is "sh**" to someone is a life experience to someone else. Going out and having an expensive meal is worth it to some, not to others. If U2 hadn't been playing an hours drive (on a good day) from me I wouldn't have gone, just not that important. I wouldn't have said that in 84 or 87 but priorities change. Mortgages have to be paid, kids need clothes and food, college funds need funding, etc. So yeah, many places in the US got gypped as did some places in Europe. But really nowhere over the course of U2's career has anywhere gotten the shaft as much as Asia has.

Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: Blofeld on July 24, 2015, 03:55:53 PM
most possessions in a rampant consumerist society is sh** and not a great experience when all is said and done.  unless your addicted to shopping and buying pretty and sparkly things.  it depreciates pretty fast too.
Title: Re: Who gets gypped more out of U2 shows
Post by: iehomecoming on July 24, 2015, 03:58:35 PM
"sh**" is in the eye of the beholder. Most stuff isn't bought as an investment anyway.