@U2 Forum

U2 => Tours => Topic started by: U2alwaysforever on July 28, 2015, 08:07:29 AM

Title: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: U2alwaysforever on July 28, 2015, 08:07:29 AM
From U2gigs.com:

"This means that U2 have now played 45 songs on the first leg of the Innocence + Experience Tour; 43 original songs plus Happy Birthday and Stand By Me. In this period they also did two more original songs at their Roxy sideshow. The leg total of 43 is the most original songs U2 have ever played on any individual leg of a tour, and the figure of 45 songs overall is also close to a record. The third leg of Vertigo had more songs overall, 48, but six were covers, hence it featured only 42 original songs compared to this leg's 43. The second leg of Popmart featured 43 songs overall, of which 27 were originals and 16 covers; the third leg of ZooTV featured 42 songs, of which 28 were originals and 14 covers. In the eighties U2 only once played more than forty songs across an entire tour, never mind an individual leg: they did 44 on the Joshua Tree Tour, of which 29 were originals and 15 covers (our stats on that page show 14 covers because Helter Skelter is counted with Rattle And Hum). My thanks to Kevin Feeney for bringing this statistic to my attention."
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: ZooClothes on July 28, 2015, 08:29:06 AM
So much for a static setlist.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 28, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
But it IS undeniably a very, very static setlist.

That's the great paradox of the i&e tour - 19 of the 23-24 slots are absolutely, unalterably nailed down, another rotates between only 2, occasionally 3 songs, another has rotated between a growing number - from 2 to now 4 songs - and the other 2-3 slots rotate between an insane number.

Something has to give; at some point they need to start reducing the number of staples to make room for this mass of rotating material.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: an tha on July 28, 2015, 11:45:35 AM
I am not sure they should get too much stick for the 19 or whatever it is nailed on songs, but by the same token i dont think they should be lauded too much for the rotating slots and what they have been filled with.

It looks about par to me for a band with such a large catalogue but a band who cant really draw from it with ease at will.



Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 28, 2015, 12:04:44 PM
360 still played classic deep cuts with regularity, more than on i + e. TUF, UV, Zooropa, Scarlet, etc.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: U2alwaysforever on July 28, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
Later on in the tour they did. I went to three 360 shows in a row with a nearly identical set list. One was rose bowl, so I give it to them maybe the first two were to be kept tight so it'd be perfect for the dvd.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 28, 2015, 01:13:00 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
360 still played classic deep cuts with regularity, more than on i + e. TUF, UV, Zooropa, Scarlet, etc.


Yeeeeah but then you have to factor in the fact that, for instance, TUF and Zooropa were never played on the same leg; Zooropa only came in at the very end. It comes back to 360 being more predictable. On any given leg of 360 you were guaranteed to get two deep cuts; the first encore song and one elsewhere in the set (Two after Scarlet popped up.) In i&e so far, you might get no rarities at all in a show OR you might get three-four.  If you look at NYC 2 for example, you have two ultra deep cuts in Gloria and October plus the relative rarity and fan favourite Bad and new rarity Volcano.

So you're right that 360 was more regular in its rarities whereas i&e is more unpredictable but can offer more than 360. (And almost guaranteed more new material)
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Wolf359 on July 28, 2015, 01:13:23 PM
Why would it be surprising that they are playing (have played) more songs on this tour/leg than previous tours? Wouldn't be expected, given that with each new tour, there is (usually) more/new material to draw from?
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 28, 2015, 01:14:18 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Why would it be surprising that they are playing (have played) more songs on this tour/leg than previous tours? Wouldn't be expected, given that with each new tour, there is (usually) more/new material to draw from?

It's surprising both because they're usually so static in general and because they typically become much looser with the setlist only towards the end of a tour. That's why the only tour legs that rival this one from before tend to be third leg or so; they are crushing 360's first leg by 10 songs despite not playing any NLOTH at all so far.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Blofeld on July 28, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Why would it be surprising that they are playing (have played) more songs on this tour/leg than previous tours? Wouldn't be expected, given that with each new tour, there is (usually) more/new material to draw from?

but they're not playing anything from NLOTH anyways

it seems to me they have hit on a way to have the best of both worlds.  a static section of the set with the new songs ALA Zoo TV, and more variety in the rest of the show.

Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: AchtungPop on July 28, 2015, 02:43:10 PM
This tour is still new.

But they do seem to be busting out more songs that they haven't played all that often recently. Two Hearts, Gloria, October, Sweetest Thing, In God's Country, Miracle Drug, When Love Comes To Town, Electric Co. Then songs like Angel of Harlem and Out of Control...which though they've been played at each tour, have only been played sparingly usually. OOC was only played 6 times on 360 & 9 on Vertigo. Elevation was the only tour it had a large number of plays since 1985. Angel 8 times on 360, 13 on Vertigo but mostly in AUS/NZ. So don't those kinda count?

UV, TUF, Zooropa, Scarlet, HMTMKMKM were played more on 360, but I guess generally the variety was less. Your Blue Room & Electrical Storm popped up briefly.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on July 28, 2015, 02:52:01 PM
The first 10 songs is fine. I wouldn't move any of those.

I would switch up Even Better Than The Real Thing with another song or two, it's tricky though because it has to be something that could work inside the stage after Invisible. I would leave Mysterious Ways because it really still is an awesome song, popular with the crowd, and the band doesn't have many funky danceable tunes like that.

Also, controversial yes, I would drop Streets. It might be the weakest version I've ever seen or heard, and all the energy dies because of Bono's speech, in particular the really annoying asskissing of major corporations likes Coke and Apple. Besides, Pride is now taken the spot of the song with the best crowd response.

WOWY I would alternate with The Troubles, and One/I Still Haven't Found would be second to last songs, not closers.

For closers, I'd say Bad, All I Want is You, or 40.

Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Blofeld on July 28, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
Your Blue Room is my idea of a rarity.

Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: TheU2Ken on July 28, 2015, 02:55:31 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The first 10 songs is fine. I wouldn't move any of those.

I would switch up Even Better Than The Real Thing with another song or two, it's tricky though because it has to be something that could work inside the stage after Invisible. I would leave Mysterious Ways because it really still is an awesome song, popular with the crowd, and the band doesn't have many funky danceable tunes like that.

Also, controversial yes, I would drop Streets. It might be the weakest version I've ever seen or heard, and all the energy dies because of Bono's speech, in particular the really annoying asskissing of major corporations likes Coke and Apple. Besides, Pride is now taken the spot of the song with the best crowd response.

WOWY I would alternate with The Troubles, and One/I Still Haven't Found would be second to last songs, not closers.

For closers, I'd say Bad, All I Want is You, or 40.
I would make MW a every few nights song. It got really stale for me. I don't think they could drop Streets, the just need to realize it doesn't work this tour. but you're right about Pride. it has really kicked ass this tour

I would have a spot every night for a song like The Troubles, Bad and some new songs along the same line.

Having those three songs as closers would work a lot better than One. The first night I saw ISHF open, I thought it worked well. The second time not as much.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Droo on July 28, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
Strongly disagree on the assessment of Pride. This new 8 minute long version is painful.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Giga Razor on July 28, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But it IS undeniably a very, very static setlist.

That's the great paradox of the i&e tour - 19 of the 23-24 slots are absolutely, unalterably nailed down, another rotates between only 2, occasionally 3 songs, another has rotated between a growing number - from 2 to now 4 songs - and the other 2-3 slots rotate between an insane number.

Something has to give; at some point they need to start reducing the number of staples to make room for this mass of rotating material.
Give it a rest will u some people are never happy most big bands play the same set every single night ACDC,Depeche mode,Pink Floyd( when they were touring) to name but a few  with no change at all ,90% of fans will see the show only once so most fans will be more than happy with what they get ,maybe u look at the set list too much maybe if u just go to a show without reading what they played the night before u might not be so cynical   and enjoy the gig .If u2 did a completely different set list every night so called fans would still complain about been short changed.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on July 28, 2015, 03:13:55 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Strongly disagree on the assessment of Pride. This new 8 minute long version is painful.

For you and others yes. But every performance I've watched from this tour, and from the show I went to, the reaction was amazing. The song has a different life and comes right after that passionate rant during Bullet.

I mean I wish they didn't have to make it so long, but its still much better than tours past.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Blofeld on July 28, 2015, 03:39:47 PM
I will reserve judgement until I hear Pride for myself.  no youtube for me.  and I'm going out for 10 pints.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: an tha on July 28, 2015, 03:41:07 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I will reserve judgement until I hear Pride for myself.  no youtube for me.  and I'm going out for 10 pints.

You'll just have a swift half!
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: TheU2Ken on July 28, 2015, 03:46:02 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Strongly disagree on the assessment of Pride. This new 8 minute long version is painful.

For you and others yes. But every performance I've watched from this tour, and from the show I went to, the reaction was amazing. The song has a different life and comes right after that passionate rant during Bullet.

I mean I wish they didn't have to make it so long, but its still much better than tours past.
this
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Kurukira on July 28, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Something tells me that once U2 gets to Europe the diversity will REALLY hit the fan.  I doubt that Bono will be all "This is MY America" in London or Australia.  I'm glad he loves us so much, but he's not from here so his European side should come out more on the next leg.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 28, 2015, 10:06:14 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
But it IS undeniably a very, very static setlist.

That's the great paradox of the i&e tour - 19 of the 23-24 slots are absolutely, unalterably nailed down, another rotates between only 2, occasionally 3 songs, another has rotated between a growing number - from 2 to now 4 songs - and the other 2-3 slots rotate between an insane number.

Something has to give; at some point they need to start reducing the number of staples to make room for this mass of rotating material.
Give it a rest will u some people are never happy most big bands play the same set every single night ACDC,Depeche mode,Pink Floyd( when they were touring) to name but a few  with no change at all ,90% of fans will see the show only once so most fans will be more than happy with what they get ,maybe u look at the set list too much maybe if u just go to a show without reading what they played the night before u might not be so cynical   and enjoy the gig .If u2 did a completely different set list every night so called fans would still complain about been short changed.

Valid points but remember that U2 relies on the same staples/greatest hits night after night while ignoring a huge chunk of their back catalogue. It's easier for them to play the same setlist more or less night after night because of the a/v factor, the screen, everything has to be sequenced and choreographed. It's too bad. The best part of the i + e has been the 1st set and the 'e' stage. Early U2, new songs, and the part of the show that changes most often.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: mdmomof7 on July 28, 2015, 10:44:07 PM
No doubt about it, this tour Pride is what Streets usually is. As soon as it starts the entire venue, any of the many venues, goes wild. Streets too, but not as much. Nope, not as much at all. It's not a bad thing. It's just that Pride is perfectly placed.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: MPare1966 on July 28, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
2 pages of posts on this thread and no mention of Pop...
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: achtung child on July 28, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
Hey everyone, they played October and some other song called Two Hearts Beat as One.  Some mystical, bearded old man ran from his hut atop a hill; exclaiming they haven't played those since the year 1989 - when David Hasselhoff was an international, singing sensation.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: coolz481 on July 29, 2015, 06:18:05 AM
having seen 3 shows now, the one 'warhorse' they could easily drop is City of Blinding Lights. The crowd reaction is good, but not great, especially on the heels of that Stephen Hawking spoken intro.  That'd be a great spot for This is Where You Can Reach Me Now if they ever decide to play it, and maybe another early song from the pre-JT days.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: lorijane on July 29, 2015, 07:17:17 AM
They have an almost impossible job of pleasing the casual fan while also trying to please the diehards. I really think they are making their best effort to do both. I also think they are listening to the diehards and trying to give them requested songs.

I saw a tweet this morning I agree with - Acrobat is not in my top 20 songs but just play it so people will be quiet about it, :)
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: jick on July 29, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
Setlist is really diverse.

This is probably the only time ever U2 has been this early in its tour and they alternate between 3 closers: Still Haven't Found, One, or "40".

They even tried changing the setlist order with the songs that lead into Bullet The Blue Sky.

Also this is early but they have two different intermission songs - The Fly and Wanderer.

They've also incorporated the piano this tour more than any tour - Every Breaking Wave, October, Sweetest Thing, and even Stuck In A Moment - which they reimagined as a piano-full-band version - compared to the acoustic ones in the previous tours.  They changed up Miracle Drug a bit too.

They are playing a lot of new album songs, some deep cuts, a few non-singles, and even some b-sides.  This is not a greatest hits show. U2 have never been as adventurous as this.   

Cheers,

J

Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 29, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
I agree Pride is reinvigorated this tour, but I'm slightly baffled by the claims about crowd reaction. I mean the crowd LOVE it for 100% certain but I'd still say the reaction is measurably less than the reaction to Streets or WOWY or even Beautiful Day.  (Though the transition, even if I despise it, certainly helps Pride)

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Something tells me that once U2 gets to Europe the diversity will REALLY hit the fan.  I doubt that Bono will be all "This is MY America" in London or Australia.  I'm glad he loves us so much, but he's not from here so his European side should come out more on the next leg.

This will be an interesting test actually. Historically speaking, the second leg of U2 tours see quite a bit less diversity than the first, because on the first they're still tweaking the show order etc while by the second that's nailed down; there are usually a few early tweaks at the very start and then it stays consistent. Certainly the 'Hands' bit will be gone. But then, the first leg isn't usually this diverse so who knows this time?
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: tom_b1807 on July 29, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
At least they're sticking to their guns and not dropping the new material like on 360.
That being said, I really wish they would switch Invisible for The Fly.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: acrobat62 on July 29, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
Help me to understand the disgruntlement of "dropping" NLOTH tunes during the 360 tour I read so much about.  They played 7-8 during the first two legs, pretty typical.  But then, oh ya, Bono busted his back, so the tour was delayed.  The last show of the 2nd leg was 10/28/09.  The next show of the third leg was 8/6/10, 10 months later and 18 months since the release of the album. This was their second pass through Europe on the tour,  South America, down under and South Africa hadn't seen them in a while if at all, so playing more hits and war horses certainly made sense for them.

Just my opinion, but I think the change in the set list for the more traditional touring areas made perfect sense given the time lapse and having already been through North America and Europe with the original 360 set list.

If they come back to NA next year, I'm hoping the set is quite a bit different given the time span, hopefully a few SOE tunes or just a different mix.  I would not view it as abandoning SOI if that is what they choose to do.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: Blofeld on July 29, 2015, 02:43:55 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Setlist is really diverse.

can't argue with that
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: mariamontreal on July 29, 2015, 04:14:22 PM
Can't wait to see what they do in Europe. I think Friday night last show for leg 1 should be very interesting looking forward to that.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: The Unknown Caller on July 29, 2015, 05:43:25 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
At least they're sticking to their guns and not dropping the new material like on 360.
That being said, I really wish they would switch Invisible for The Fly.

? They hadn't dropped any new material by this point on 360 either, or Vertigo; both still had only 3 new songs by the end of the tour. It's AFTER the main Europe and US legs that things get dicey.

Quote
Just my opinion, but I think the change in the set list for the more traditional touring areas made perfect sense given the time lapse and having already been through North America and Europe with the original 360 set list.

Sure, but it's still a notable fact that on past tours they managed to shake up their returns to Europe and the USA without dropping the new material from the set. NLOTH fared poorly by any standard, no way around it. On Europe 2010 that was somewhat compensated by dropping 3 NLOTH songs but adding 2-3 brand new unplayed songs; by America 2011 though even that was gone.
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: trevgreg on July 30, 2015, 11:10:39 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
On Europe 2010 that was somewhat compensated by dropping 3 NLOTH songs but adding 2-3 brand new unplayed songs; by America 2011 though even that was gone.

Were the 2-3 songs ever consistent parts of the show though? I know they played those a few times during the course of the tour, but I can't remember them being staples per se. Even then, there's no guarantee that they would go down like a storm if they did that.

That being said, I was sort of curious to see if any SOE material would pop up on this tour... maybe this upcoming European leg has a chance of that happening (again)?
Title: Re: U2 I & E Leg 1 Most Diverse Set List Leg of Any U2 Tour As Of Yesterday
Post by: aviastar on July 30, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
Quick Question - and maybe this has already been addressed...but why has there been not one song from NLOTH on this entire leg?  Listen I love deep cuts like Cedars or F/BB...I am not asking for anything like that.  But Magnificent, title track, or Moment of Surrender...just one of these tunes would fit pretty well into their current set.  I really, really liked that album...it was a pretty exciting departure from the previous two albums; but it seems like they want to completely disavow that work.