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Title: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Nagrom99 on February 27, 2009, 02:23:46 PM
One word = economy.  Not because u2 isn't the best live band ever, or that this album isn't great...I just get the feeling everybody is underestimating the force of the New World Economy..including u2 and it's management.  Just my opinion, I think it's going to reflect on both album sales and the Tour. The album will still be the biggest seller this year, but I think the Tour is where they're going to feel it.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on February 27, 2009, 03:06:17 PM
They are actually doing something very very smart, take a look at the current issue of Hotpress:

http://www.hotpress.com/news/5288776.html

50 shows approx in total, 25 in Europe and 25 in the US.

Thats smart, have the big show, but scale down the number of gigs and only play the largest stadiums.
Europe has several 80,000 capacity stadiums, this will narrow down considerably the number of cities visited, this means:
Croke Park in Dublin, Nou Camp Barcelona, Wembley Stadium London, Stad Du France Paris, San Siro Milan, etc. etc.if they play 2 nights in each of these 5 cities thats 10 gone, only 15 more in Europe. Some countries may be disapointed as they can't do them all. Scandanavia is at grave risk I would think, as is Autria and Denmark.

It means we still get the big show, which I personally want to see,but the number of shows is substantially reduced.

Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: mdewater on February 27, 2009, 03:10:38 PM
So what kinds of places will the be coming to in the U.S.? If they're only doing arena and bigger places
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: JasontheJedi on February 27, 2009, 03:45:33 PM
I've always wanted to see U2 in a stadium, but I'd really prefer if they did both.

To mdewater, if they are only doing stadiums in the U.S., just think major cities (i.e. NYC, Chicago, etc.). I'm hoping they'll do more legs next year though. The article does state that there's 50 shows booked before Christmas. That's only 1 leg in Europe and 1 in the U.S. It's always possible they could take it back to arenas for a 3rd or 4th leg in 2010. I'm not counting on it, but it is something I'm hoping for.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Nielsen on February 27, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
These might be initial shows. If the economy improves they might go again.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on February 27, 2009, 06:32:26 PM
I have every confidence that they will return in 2010 for an indoor tour, possibly prefaced by the release of the other album before years end or an EP.

Some outdoor dates in South America are a strong contender also for late this year or early next year.

I am taking (as usual) the bono comment that this album may be out later this year, with a large grain of salt, but you never know.

So indoor show fans, have patience until next year.

Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on February 27, 2009, 06:33:21 PM
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One word = economy.  Not because u2 isn't the best live band ever, or that this album isn't great...I just get the feeling everybody is underestimating the force of the New World Economy..including u2 and it's management.  Just my opinion, I think it's going to reflect on both album sales and the Tour. The album will still be the biggest seller this year, but I think the Tour is where they're going to feel it.

        Arthur Fogul, their long time promoter is well aware of the economic issues  and has said they are going to carefully price the tickets with the economy in mind. In addition, all shows at least in North America will only be primarily on Friday and Saturday nights, about two shows per week. 25 shows will be finished in 12 weeks which is roughly the time from mid September to mid December.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on February 27, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
I think the US leg will finish much earlier than mid december, from the temperture point of view !
 I see them wrapping up the US leg by late October.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on February 27, 2009, 06:38:02 PM
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I have every confidence that they will return in 2010 for an indoor tour, possibly prefaced by the release of the other album before years end or an EP.

Some outdoor dates in South America are a strong contender also for late this year or early next year.

I am taking (as usual) the bono comment that this album may be out later this year, with a large grain of salt, but you never know.

So indoor show fans, have patience until next year.



           Its a possibility but don't hold your breath about there being indoor shows next year. Provided the outdoor shows are a major success, its likely they will stay with that format for the rest of the tour in 2010. You can reach a larger amount of people per show with stadium shows and it saves time for the band. The only reason they stayed indoors in the USA on Vertigo was because of concerns about selling out all the shows.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on February 27, 2009, 06:46:01 PM
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I think the US leg will finish much earlier than mid december, from the temperture point of view !
 I see them wrapping up the US leg by late October.

             The Joshua Tree tour in the USA started in mid September and ended December 20, 1987 outdoors in Arizona. U2 played outdoor stadiums in Canada in early October on the Joshua Tree Tour. ZOO TV Outside Broadcast with all shows in outdoor stadiums started in mid August and did not end until November 12 in Las Vegas.

             There are all kinds of cities in the United States they you can play in November and December outdoors like:

San Diego
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Phoenix
Dallas
Houston
New Orleans
Atlanta
Columbia South Carolina
Tampa
Miami
Birmingham
Austin
San Antonio
Las Vegas

Plus the following cities have INDOOR Football Stadiums:

Vancouver
Toronto
Montreal
Minneapolis
Detroit
St. Louis
Indianopolis


                  Thats 22 cities that have stadiums and conditions that allow for a show in December.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on February 27, 2009, 06:54:25 PM
Thats interesting, (I'm learning!)is there a website with a US stadium guide.

Heres the european equivalent:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/capacityspecial.htm

It is a bit out of date, as I note Wembley stadium in London is missing and thats about 85,000 capacity, but it will give you an idea. I was in the one in Barcelona once, mind blowingly big.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: JasontheJedi on February 27, 2009, 08:07:00 PM
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I think the US leg will finish much earlier than mid december, from the temperture point of view !
 I see them wrapping up the US leg by late October.

             The Joshua Tree tour in the USA started in mid September and ended December 20, 1987 outdoors in Arizona. U2 played outdoor stadiums in Canada in early October on the Joshua Tree Tour. ZOO TV Outside Broadcast with all shows in outdoor stadiums started in mid August and did not end until November 12 in Las Vegas.

             There are all kinds of cities in the United States they you can play in November and December outdoors like:

San Diego
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Phoenix
Dallas
Houston
New Orleans
Atlanta
Columbia South Carolina
Tampa
Miami
Birmingham
Austin
San Antonio
Las Vegas

Plus the following cities have INDOOR Football Stadiums:

Vancouver
Toronto
Montreal
Minneapolis
Detroit
St. Louis
Indianopolis


                  Thats 22 cities that have stadiums and conditions that allow for a show in December.

I think Phoenix, New Orleans, and Dallas (with the new stadium) all have indoor stadiums as well. I'm about a 3 hour drive from Dallas, so I'd really like it if they played there. (There's no chance they would play a stadium near where I live...Arena? Possibly.)
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: macphisto96 on February 27, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
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I think the US leg will finish much earlier than mid december, from the temperture point of view !
 I see them wrapping up the US leg by late October.

             The Joshua Tree tour in the USA started in mid September and ended December 20, 1987 outdoors in Arizona. U2 played outdoor stadiums in Canada in early October on the Joshua Tree Tour. ZOO TV Outside Broadcast with all shows in outdoor stadiums started in mid August and did not end until November 12 in Las Vegas.

             There are all kinds of cities in the United States they you can play in November and December outdoors like:

San Diego
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Phoenix
Dallas
Houston
New Orleans
Atlanta
Columbia South Carolina
Tampa
Miami
Birmingham
Austin
San Antonio
Las Vegas

Plus the following cities have INDOOR Football Stadiums:

Vancouver
Toronto
Montreal
Minneapolis
Detroit
St. Louis
Indianopolis


                  Thats 22 cities that have stadiums and conditions that allow for a show in December.

Atlanta is indoors because they'd play the Georgia Dome. 

They'd be far more likely to play in Charlotte than play in Columbia, SC. 

They could play here in Tampa in December or down in Miami.  We often are at the end of their legs.  We were in the middle of Vertigo and that was a bit odd.  We were second to last here in Tampa for Elevation.  The Tampa show for POPMart was in November.

Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: dezmaas on February 28, 2009, 03:23:22 AM
On the BBC yesterday, Bono said they are planning to reduce ticket prices due to the economy.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Nielsen on February 28, 2009, 06:13:26 AM
That's good news. Think they are risking their finances a bit more like ZooTV and PopMart?
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: adamsmark on February 28, 2009, 10:03:55 AM
U2 should do very nicely:

"But they hope to keep ticket prices unusually low, and they're already planning an innovative setup that will allow for 360-degree seating around the stage, which will be moved closer to the center of the field than in any other stadium show."

Source: http://www.atu2.com/news/article.src?ID=5388

I saw U2 live, up front for, what?, $45 last time round? With my income -- I'm not an 17-year-old scrounging for $29, as in 1987! -- and at that price, I can afford five shows easy (minus one if you include ticket surcharges, which I guess you've got to include).

If the band keeps the ticket prices low, they'll make a killing on merchandise. A concert is the only time I've been known to blow $2 on a 5 cent button I'll never wear.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Crewboy on February 28, 2009, 10:10:37 PM
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That's good news. Think they are risking their finances a bit more like ZooTV and PopMart?

No.  The band won't make the same mistake on this tour that they did with Popmart and run the risk of financial ruin.

As far as "unusually low" ticket prices go, it all depends on what the band and their promoter deem "unusually low".

Price them too high, and you run the risk of playing to a half empty stadium like they did on Popmart.

Price them too low and the promoter might be angry about not making a profit on the show.

I think tickets will be in the $50 range on the low end, 75-85 dollars on the mid end (which I think will be the majority of the venue) and $250 for the top seats.

Which is very affordable given that Madonna was charging $350 for floor seats $165 for lower deck and 135 for upper deck at Dodger Stadium,
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: mdewater on February 28, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
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Which is very affordable given that Madonna was charging $350 for floor seats $165 for lower deck and 135 for upper deck at Dodger Stadium,

Wow really?!? That seems a bit ridiculous... I know she's a huge superstar and everything, but c'mon...... 350 bucks???
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: highway190 on March 01, 2009, 12:00:59 AM
I'de pay $350 for an entire performance done form inside the lemon  ;D
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: singnomore on March 01, 2009, 02:48:33 AM
I get whats being said here but that means Scotland could be at risk - mind you Murrayfiled Stadium in Edinburgh is around 75000 - yay might be ok after all!
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 01, 2009, 03:55:42 AM
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That's good news. Think they are risking their finances a bit more like ZooTV and PopMart?

           Not necessarily. 1.) They are putting the stage in the middle of the field which opens up 1/3 to 1/2 of the stadium seating that would normaly be blocked off. When you increase the number of available tickets, you can safely reduce the individual ticket prices and still wind up with the same total gross. 2.) U2 has tiered pricing of tickets which they did not have at all on ZOO TV and barely had on POPMART. There will likely be 5 different ticket prices. More Expensive tickets compensate for lower priced tickets.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 01, 2009, 03:59:19 AM
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That's good news. Think they are risking their finances a bit more like ZooTV and PopMart?

No.  The band won't make the same mistake on this tour that they did with Popmart and run the risk of financial ruin.

As far as "unusually low" ticket prices go, it all depends on what the band and their promoter deem "unusually low".

Price them too high, and you run the risk of playing to a half empty stadium like they did on Popmart.

Price them too low and the promoter might be angry about not making a profit on the show.

I think tickets will be in the $50 range on the low end, 75-85 dollars on the mid end (which I think will be the majority of the venue) and $250 for the top seats.

Which is very affordable given that Madonna was charging $350 for floor seats $165 for lower deck and 135 for upper deck at Dodger Stadium,

        What do you think of this set up for a 70,000 capacity stadium including the field:

A) 15,000 field tickets at: $110
B) 13,750 1st Tier Lower: $90
C) 13,750 1st Tier Upper: $70
D) 13,750 2nd Tier Lower: $50
E) 13,750 2nd Tier Upper: $30
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: indiansummer on March 01, 2009, 11:56:27 AM
Terrible !!
GA Tickets are always the cheapest !!
And will be again this time .
What I hope they will do however, is make the inner circle of the GA at a higher price or available to u2.com member first.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 01, 2009, 12:15:36 PM
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Terrible !!
GA Tickets are always the cheapest !!
And will be again this time .
What I hope they will do however, is make the inner circle of the GA at a higher price or available to u2.com member first.

          What do you mean by "inner circle of GA"? I understand in an arena of 18,000 that the 2,000 GA tickets are the cheapest, but it makes little economic sense when you need to sell 70,000 tickets to make the most in demand 15,000 tickets the cheapest. If you charge $50 and $70 dollars for tier 2 tickets, you made end up not selling enough of tier 2. With tickets in General Admission at only $30 dollars a ticket, you'll be losing nearly $100 dollars per ticket. It will be Ticket Scalpers dream fantasy. The end result will be show that is not soldout becauese of the higher Tier 2 ticket prices, and a total gross of for the show of only $3 million instead of $5 million.

           From an economic standpoint, it makes most sense to charge the tickets strictly based on demand. Its one thing to give a gift in an arena when GA tickets are only 10% of a smaller venue of 18,000. But when your trying to sell 70,000 tickets, you have little room for error, which means all tickets should be priced strictly by the level of demand. It demands that the MAJORITY of the tickets that are in the stands far away from the stage be priced BELOW that of tickets on the field which are much closer to the stage. Otherwise, your going to see empty seats all over the 2nd tier and U2 is not going to let that happen.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: hurricane hugo on March 01, 2009, 12:27:39 PM
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That's good news. Think they are risking their finances a bit more like ZooTV and PopMart?

No.  The band won't make the same mistake on this tour that they did with Popmart and run the risk of financial ruin.

As far as "unusually low" ticket prices go, it all depends on what the band and their promoter deem "unusually low".

Price them too high, and you run the risk of playing to a half empty stadium like they did on Popmart.

Price them too low and the promoter might be angry about not making a profit on the show.

I think tickets will be in the $50 range on the low end, 75-85 dollars on the mid end (which I think will be the majority of the venue) and $250 for the top seats.

Which is very affordable given that Madonna was charging $350 for floor seats $165 for lower deck and 135 for upper deck at Dodger Stadium,

        What do you think of this set up for a 70,000 capacity stadium including the field:

A) 15,000 field tickets at: $110
B) 13,750 1st Tier Lower: $90
C) 13,750 1st Tier Upper: $70
D) 13,750 2nd Tier Lower: $50
E) 13,750 2nd Tier Upper: $30


Field tix will be cheapest. I'll be looking for 2-4 tix on the 50-yard line as close to the field as possible...which will probably be the most expen$ive.

If they're still doing 120 shows on this tour, that means 70 more in 2010!

#@!
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 01, 2009, 02:10:49 PM
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That's good news. Think they are risking their finances a bit more like ZooTV and PopMart?

No.  The band won't make the same mistake on this tour that they did with Popmart and run the risk of financial ruin.

As far as "unusually low" ticket prices go, it all depends on what the band and their promoter deem "unusually low".

Price them too high, and you run the risk of playing to a half empty stadium like they did on Popmart.

Price them too low and the promoter might be angry about not making a profit on the show.

I think tickets will be in the $50 range on the low end, 75-85 dollars on the mid end (which I think will be the majority of the venue) and $250 for the top seats.

Which is very affordable given that Madonna was charging $350 for floor seats $165 for lower deck and 135 for upper deck at Dodger Stadium,

        What do you think of this set up for a 70,000 capacity stadium including the field:

A) 15,000 field tickets at: $110
B) 13,750 1st Tier Lower: $90
C) 13,750 1st Tier Upper: $70
D) 13,750 2nd Tier Lower: $50
E) 13,750 2nd Tier Upper: $30


Field tix will be cheapest. I'll be looking for 2-4 tix on the 50-yard line as close to the field as possible...which will probably be the most expen$ive.

If they're still doing 120 shows on this tour, that means 70 more in 2010!

#@!

           Why would field tickets be the cheapest given the extra demand to sell 20,000-30,000 seats in the stands that are normally blocked by the stage, but will not be blocked this time around. From an economic and sound business perspective, your cheapest tickets MUST be the ones that are LEAST in demand. It is going to be a struggle for U2 to sell tickets on the top tier of the stadium furthest from the stage. Its going to require getting people to go to U2 concerts who have never been and are very casual in terms of their desire to go. The only way your going to get those people into those seats at the top of the stadium, is by making those tickets the cheapest.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: hurricane hugo on March 01, 2009, 05:36:17 PM
Are you serious? The GA field tix will be cheapest because a large part of U2's crowd will 1) pay more to be able to sit down on a chair and b) have a guaranteed spot so they don't have to take the whole day off and suffer through all the opening bands.

#@!
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 01, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
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Are you serious? The GA field tix will be cheapest because a large part of U2's crowd will 1) pay more to be able to sit down on a chair and b) have a guaranteed spot so they don't have to take the whole day off and suffer through all the opening bands.

#@!

I've thought about it some more, and now I'm thinking it may be like this instead:

A) 15,000 field tickets at: $45
B)   8,000 1st Tier Lower-Center: $225
C) 19,500 1st Tier Lower and Upper: $90
D) 13,750 2nd Tier Lower: $45
E) 13,750 2nd Tier Upper: $20

A) $675,000
B) $1,800,000
C) $1,755,000
D) $618,750
E) $275,000

TOTAL GROSS: $5,123,750

                         I remember the Police had $225 dollar ticket tier right next to a $90 ticket tier. In addition, there were actually some tickets in the stands at Police Stadium concerts that were at the $225 ticket price. With U2 putting the stage in the center of the field, I would imagine a $225 ticket section would be 4,000 one side centered on the 50 yard line, and 4,000 on the other side centered on the 50 yard line. These would be the best seats in the stands, and it does appear that there probably are 5,000 to 10,000 people in each of the big markets that would be willing and may want to pay for such tickets. Ironically, the Tier 1 ticket people(those paying $225 and $90) end up paying for 70% of the show. This allows you to keep those GA tickets at a very low price as well as the upper tier tickets which will be the most difficult to sell. I think this is more in line with reports of VERY expensive tickets and VERY cheap tickets.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: daveyg on March 02, 2009, 04:43:49 AM
Ticket prices certainly here were getting crazy. I mean artists charging close to 100 a ticket is becoming standard here in Ireland. I find it extremely difficult to accept bands - expecially big (rich) bands like U2 justifying such costs, and am happy to see they're offering reduced prices (which in itself shows how much a rip off the 100 tickets are!!).

Tour not selling out? Love them or hate them, like the Rolling Stones, U2 will sell out and will be about the only people in Ireland running to the bank with a grin in their faces once the tour is over!
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: indiansummer on March 02, 2009, 05:00:30 AM
You're right this tour will sell out, regardless of a recesson or not.
I reckon the ticket prices for GA will probably be around the 40-50 mark which is the going rate for top gigs but to be honest I have never really given the price a second thought as it's never been outrageous , it's U2 they tour once every four years, so my demand is pretty inelastic anyway!
 

But I would prefer if the tour sells out slowly this time. No mad panic like last time.
Maybe dates sell out in 2 or 3 days rather than 2 or 3 minutes!!



Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: jayb77 on March 02, 2009, 10:14:24 AM
i think the tour will sell out regardless of the credit crunch. i brought tickets last week to see van morrison at the royal albert hall. now i got the cheapest ticket,
 which is 39 but the top price was 200!!!!!!! with out booking fee. and they have all gone. so if you where to buy two i would cost you in dollors $576. :o

so if van can do it i'm sure u2 can. but not for 200 please!!!
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: macmango on March 03, 2009, 07:25:46 PM
The tour will certainly sell out, especially due to the secondary market.  U2 will be the only sure thing touts can hang their hats on this year.  We will soon be complaining that all the good tickets went to the brokers.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 03, 2009, 09:04:25 PM
In North America, it appears U2 will be going for some extremely large numbers per stadium show if all the rumors are correct. Were talking an average of 70,000 people per show. There may be several markets where the shows do not sellout until a week or a day before the show. 70,000 people is a lot for markets like San Diego, Phoenix, Dallas, Minneapolis, Detroit, Columbus Ohio, Atlanta, and Denver.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Mr. T on March 04, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
The economic climate is only going to get worse. Unemployment in the US will be close to 10%
by the time the tour starts. Europe will be worse.

A lot of the "Joe 6 packs" who would help fill the stadiums will simply be removed from the demand mix.

These shows won't sell out, but fans with savings (meaning almost nobody) will be able
to get some great deals. Resellers/brokers are going to lose a lot of money this summer.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 06, 2009, 12:17:33 AM
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The economic climate is only going to get worse. Unemployment in the US will be close to 10%
by the time the tour starts. Europe will be worse.

A lot of the "Joe 6 packs" who would help fill the stadiums will simply be removed from the demand mix.

These shows won't sell out, but fans with savings (meaning almost nobody) will be able
to get some great deals. Resellers/brokers are going to lose a lot of money this summer.

        There are well aware of the economic climate and that is one reason why they have expanded the number of seats available in the stadium by playing in the round. The greater supply of tickets allows them to reduce the individual ticket price throughout the majority of the stadium. At the same time, U2's hardcore community will still be gunning for the best tickets in the house. Demand from that group is what you call inelastic, meaning that it is not heavily impacted by price. Their adjusting the price levels so that everyone who wants to go to the show will be able to. The upper part of the 2nd tier may have tickets as low as $20 dollars. Movie sales which are now $10 dollars a ticket are up despite the economic conditions. The fact is, people still spend money on entertainment in a recession provided that its relatively inexpensive or they view it as something that is very special. The movie industry has been known to be recession proof.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Mr. T on March 06, 2009, 05:40:26 PM
Unemployment is at a 26 year high of 8.1% in the US. Last month it was 7.4% And a year ago it was 4.7%. The trend is not your friend.

This is not a typical "recession." It's already 15 months old, making 2001, 1987, and 1991 look like child's play.

This economy is a whole new ballgame.
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Evil Bono on March 06, 2009, 06:42:17 PM
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But I would prefer if the tour sells out slowly this time. No mad panic like last time.
Maybe dates sell out in 2 or 3 days rather than 2 or 3 minutes!!


I would prefer that too!  It would give me more time to think of something good to say when I'm calling in at work so I can go get some U2 tickets! 
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: BeneathTheNoise on March 07, 2009, 04:39:09 AM
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I think the US leg will finish much earlier than mid december, from the temperture point of view !
 I see them wrapping up the US leg by late October.

             The Joshua Tree tour in the USA started in mid September and ended December 20, 1987 outdoors in Arizona. U2 played outdoor stadiums in Canada in early October on the Joshua Tree Tour. ZOO TV Outside Broadcast with all shows in outdoor stadiums started in mid August and did not end until November 12 in Las Vegas.

             There are all kinds of cities in the United States they you can play in November and December outdoors like:

San Diego
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Phoenix
Dallas
Houston
New Orleans
Atlanta
Columbia South Carolina
Tampa
Miami
Birmingham
Austin
San Antonio
Las Vegas

Plus the following cities have INDOOR Football Stadiums:

Vancouver
Toronto
Montreal
Minneapolis
Detroit
St. Louis
Indianopolis


                  Thats 22 cities that have stadiums and conditions that allow for a show in December.

I think Phoenix, New Orleans, and Dallas (with the new stadium) all have indoor stadiums as well. I'm about a 3 hour drive from Dallas, so I'd really like it if they played there. (There's no chance they would play a stadium near where I live...Arena? Possibly.)

The new Dallas stadium is technically in Arlington. :D ..& well technically it IS indoor, but it is going to have a retractable roof.. I hope they close it for us.  :-\ When I saw U2 at the ol' Texas Stadium, it was October & the roof of course had a big hole in it, & it was chilly.   heck, it was kind of chilly when I saw them in May '97 at the Cotton Bowl (wasn't ThAT a weird choice of venues?!). :P . I don't think the new stadium is scheduled to be opened until June. We're in luck if it's going to be held there though, that new stadium is reportedly going to hold up to 100,000 people, there's no way they'll sell it out!!  ;D
Title: Re: I'm not so sure this Tour is going to sell out...
Post by: Carrick on March 07, 2009, 12:56:41 PM
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Unemployment is at a 26 year high of 8.1% in the US. Last month it was 7.4% And a year ago it was 4.7%. The trend is not your friend.

This is not a typical "recession." It's already 15 months old, making 2001, 1987, and 1991 look like child's play.

This economy is a whole new ballgame.

           I'm sure its going to be tough, but then again, U2 don't tour every year. Lets not forget that the Police had their huge Synchronicity Tour(stadiums and arena's) back in 1983 when unemployment was over 9%. The Who did 20 to 30 stadium shows in 1982 when the unemployment rate was at 10.8%.

           I agree, these are the toughest economic conditions since 1982-1983 or 1975. Those are the only years since the 1930s when the monthly unemployment rate was above 8%. Part of the reason the tour has been booked and structured in this way is a reaction to the economy. By puting the stage in the middle of the field, you can increase the supply of tickets and keep the average price down. This makes it easier for more people to go to the show. Another important factor is limiting the first leg to 20 shows. The 2nd North American leg won't happen until 7 months after the first one is finished instead of the usual 3 or 4 months.

           But no one really knows how things will go until shows are put on sale and the band go through the tour. Its unlikely many shows will sellout completely in the first days and weeks given that the average capacity will probably be around 60,000 or 70,000 per show. But I think eventually most shows will sellout or be nearly completely full.