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Title: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: The Fly on September 11, 2015, 10:36:12 AM
Has anyone felt that the crowd energy has been much less this tour than in the past?

I became a U2 fan sometime in 2001 after ATYCLB. I've seen them on the last three tours (multiple shows for 360 and I+E), and I couldn't help but notice that the energy of the crowd seems much less on this current tour than in the past. It seems that whenever the band pulls out a rare song (which they've done several times) or even walks by on the catwalk, instead of cheering, people are pulling out their phones and taking pictures/videos. I myself am guilty of this.

Don't get me wrong... I'm very grateful to see so many high quality videos of the shows. But I just watched one of THBAO, and instead of people going crazy, they were all just filming... I think this is much more prevalent this tour than previous ones. On Vertigo, cell phone cameras sucked, and even on the 360 tour, smartphones weren't nearly as ubiquitous as they are now. I was in the GA for both 360 and I+E, and the energy on 360 was much greater, hands down.

I wonder if this gets to the band? I was on the catwalk at NYC #2 and noticed they made very little eye contact with the crowd, probably because they knew everyone was just snapping pictures. They're doing everything they can to be close and connect with the audience...but they can't because people are just taking videos on their phones. Again, I'm guilty of this, though I try to resist it.

Anyone else feel this way? (I know Willie Williams seemed frustrated that there don't seem to be any surprises anymore.) I know that I like seeing the videos, but if it kills the magical communal experience that is a U2 show, I can do without.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: UnknownCaller98 on September 11, 2015, 01:36:38 PM
Yes it's frustrating but it's the same at any concert, not just U2. By all means take a few pictures but it seems as though people take pictures all the time and never put their phones away. Can you not just take a picture during one song?
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Post by: NalesRomatti on September 11, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
Also guilty of this....

First night Amsterdam i was up front, south side, filming stuff when The Edge was right in front of me.
Saw him looking at me, felt guilty filming and not being full in the moment.

Then i decided to film only a few short things that where still to come. And really enjoying the rest of the show.
Later again he appeared right in front of me and i gave him a wink, with the thumbs up. Few moment later, again eye contact en he returned the wink and a thumbs up.

Edge seemed to have a lot fun that evening.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on September 11, 2015, 07:10:48 PM
If it weren't for mobile phones, no Mixlr or YouTube clips, or Periscope.

But ffs, at the LA shows there were people having cell phone conversations in GA during "Bad" and other classics, or doing group selfies with the band behind them. Just a-hole behavior.

I certainly took plenty of photos but I'd like to think I did it fast and put away my phone, so as not to affect others' views/enjoyment of the show.
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Post by: briscoetheque on September 11, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
Ruins every gig to be honest. But you can't complain about the atmosphere if you're watching on periscope.
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Post by: missey on September 11, 2015, 07:57:14 PM
Of course everyone wants a picture of their show, especially if you're up close to the band, however actually talking on the phone or taking selfies is just taking it way too far.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 11, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
Absolutely, it's pointless that so many have their phones out the majority of the show to take pictures and videos. It's not like somebody else isn't recording. A few pictures is fine, but anything else is absurd.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: ultravioletlight on September 11, 2015, 08:53:35 PM
I have no problem with it as long as it's not impeding my ability to enjoy the concert. I understand that people (including myself) want pictures.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: u2gw on September 11, 2015, 09:00:35 PM
I only managed to make it to one show on the North American leg--Chicago 5, where all kinds of stuff happened in the setlist (basically, the open slots for that show went to Gloria, California, Ordinary Love, Bad and 40). But through a hurried process of getting checked into the hotel and trying to make it to the United Center before the show started, I accidentally left my phone in my luggage and had no personal device at all until I got back to the room.

I have loved, loved, LOVED getting to watch other people's Periscope feeds or listen to Mixlr, but I have to say that--at least for me--being at that show without my phone was probably the best thing that could have happened to me. If you really want to enjoy the show you're attending, either turn the phone off completely or just don't bring it with you. I didn't do it on purpose, but it's the most fun I've had at a U2 concert in years.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: briscoetheque on September 11, 2015, 09:07:34 PM
I deliberately left my camera and phone at home when I went to the rosebowl.

Especially those seeing multiple shows, at least for 1 show, forget about it. You'll enjoy it more.
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Post by: Miami66 on September 12, 2015, 07:22:35 AM
I'm so in the moment, I guess I don't notice it.
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Post by: Starman on September 12, 2015, 11:01:52 AM
Cell phones are a cancer on the world.
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Post by: benpoke on September 12, 2015, 11:33:54 AM
The band have each show professionally filmed.  I don't see why they don't just try to discourage filming in the venue so that everyone has a better time, and then make each show available as a download or stream afterwards for a certain price.

Pearl jam do a similar thing with audio, making each convert available to download afterwards; surely wouldn't be too hard to do the same with video?

The result - a more engaged audience, better quality videos, more satisfied fans, more money in the U2 coffers.  Everyone wins!
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: strudelwithcream on September 12, 2015, 12:52:56 PM
as long as they don't get in my way I don't care.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: Marvinho on September 12, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Camera phones are the scourge of the modern day. They aren't just spoiling concerts they're turning people in to morons. Morons who feels the need to tell the internet about every blooming thing they do. What they eat. Where they go. Who they see. I liked it when nobody had a mobile. I don't have one. Never had one and never will.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: d.darroch on September 12, 2015, 05:06:11 PM
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I deliberately left my camera and phone at home when I went to the rosebowl.

Especially those seeing multiple shows, at least for 1 show, forget about it. You'll enjoy it more.

I have to admit, I made a pact with a friend to not pull the camera out during the Rose Bowl, but couldn't help myself   :-\ But I mostly only used it in songs I'm not too keen on, just at the start of songs. Plus I certainly didn't hold a camera/phone above my head, I hate that stuff!

This time - if I can get away with it - I'm hoping to take in a very small action cam, attach it to my side or the rail (peeking over the top). Set it, & forget it. Won't be brilliant quality, but it will be a momento of my personal experience.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: an tha on September 12, 2015, 05:52:07 PM
They are spoiling pretty much every kind of event....sport, gigs etc.

As are people using their phones and other devices to tweet, update facey etc.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: strudelwithcream on September 12, 2015, 06:04:57 PM
how does other people behaviour with these kind of devices ruin anything for you as a concert goer?  as long as you don't join in with the nonsense, what's it to you?



Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: fishcci on September 12, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
Be in the moment, experience the show, for gosh sakes.
Back in the late '90's , I used to record audio of concerts but realized it was a distraction for me, and was looking forward to hearing the shows on my tape than the actual live version I was experiencing. I stopped recording... :)
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: d.darroch on September 12, 2015, 10:57:06 PM
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how does other people behaviour with these kind of devices ruin anything for you as a concert goer?  as long as you don't join in with the nonsense, what's it to you?

I'm not 10' tall, & phones/cameras are not invisible. I struggle to see over/around people's heads enough as it is, without having to look over/around peoples devices (with their distracting LED screens blasting straight at me).

If I'm taking a photo, it's only for a second (not like someone who videos a whole show), I try to hold the camera at chest height (or eye level occasionally), & I turn the brightness on the LED screen all the way down (I'd turn the screen off, if the camera would let me). Obviously no flash, distracting for concert goers & performers alike, not to mention it does nothing for the shots.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: garyu2 on September 13, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
I'm reminded of a Louis CK joke about parents filming their kids school shows;

"Why are you filming this? You're NEVER gonna watch it!
Everyone is watching a tiny, sh//tty movie of something that's happening 3 feet in front of their face".

I'm going to Glasgow gig in November. No videos, no photos. I've paid £140 for this ticket so I'm gonna actually watch the show. Not watch the show through my phone.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: kos4u2 on September 13, 2015, 11:10:50 AM
I have that complaint by my wife if I sit behind my screen all the time, listening to mixlr, but other than that ... no.

Since I usually sit up in the seated area, I hardly notice it.
Soaking up the visuals, the sounds and having a lot of fun.
I forget all about the audience.

I did get annoyed once when my temporarely neigbours were talking about their daily job all the time.
I remember that irritated me more than the cellphones.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: strudelwithcream on September 13, 2015, 12:27:22 PM
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how does other people behaviour with these kind of devices ruin anything for you as a concert goer?  as long as you don't join in with the nonsense, what's it to you?

I'm not 10' tall, & phones/cameras are not invisible. I struggle to see over/around people's heads enough as it is, without having to look over/around peoples devices (with their distracting LED screens blasting straight at me).

If I'm taking a photo, it's only for a second (not like someone who videos a whole show), I try to hold the camera at chest height (or eye level occasionally), & I turn the brightness on the LED screen all the way down (I'd turn the screen off, if the camera would let me). Obviously no flash, distracting for concert goers & performers alike, not to mention it does nothing for the shots.

oh for sure, if someone held a camera above eye level and it blocked my view I'd politely ask them to lower it and if they ignored me I'd knock the phone out of their hand and then ignore their reaction.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: briscoetheque on September 13, 2015, 03:06:58 PM
Live events are a team sport. The atmosphere created by everyone in attendance creates something either flat or magical.

Phones kill this.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: Crewboy on September 14, 2015, 02:52:11 AM
For Vertigo and 360, I have to admit that I was guilty of bringing a camera and snapping away.  But I tried to find a balance between taking pictures and enjoying the show.

This tour, I decided to just enjoy the shows.  And I'm so glad that I did.  It was only then that I noticed how many people are whipping out their phones and filming something that isn't going to come out that great anyway.

I knew the phones were getting bad when Bono is saying "put down your phones" while singing Mysterious Ways.
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Post by: lazyboy on September 14, 2015, 03:08:13 AM
It was insane at times in Amsterdam, all you could see were phones in the air. It definitely kills the atmosphere. I remember GA was all about moshing and jumping up and down. Now you get dirty looks from people if you nudge them and affect their recording process. Sad state of affairs. Sure take a clip or 2 for posterity, but keep it to that. When you are watching more of the gig through your phone rather than with your own eyes you have a serious lack of perspective(irony!).
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: The Fly on September 14, 2015, 09:16:06 AM
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how does other people behaviour with these kind of devices ruin anything for you as a concert goer?  as long as you don't join in with the nonsense, what's it to you?

To me, concerts are a communal experience. The energy, the shared love of the music, singing along... that's all what makes it so special. The problem is when people aren't really together in it; they're in their own world filming.

I think it definitely affects the band. You can't connect with someone if their phone is in the way. I think it's different than sports where the athletes are playing the game and often have to ignore the crowd (especially if they're the away team). With music, it's about the connection between the band and the crowd. It's about being in this moment together. If the band feels like their audiences are disconnected, I wonder if it will discourage them from touring. I hope not!
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: lazyboy on September 14, 2015, 09:23:27 AM
It definitely affects the band. I don't think majorly, and they might get so used to it they won't mind at all, but would you rather someone dancing, singing, applauding, or standing there like a voyeur filming you.
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Post by: zummo on September 14, 2015, 10:23:25 AM
I taped concerts for years, which actually is pretty un-obtrusive when you had the attitude I did which was get the mics in the hat, and roll and deal with whats around you. That being, I didn't tell people to be quiet or get weird on them. I felt it was up to me to move a bit when I had crazy concert kook next to me. The phone thing is like 100x worse, first of all you can't see through them very easily, and there need not to be 400 up at the b stage. You literally can't see because of the angle sometimes. And lets face it the real morons are the ones who tape half a song, or 30 seconds.....whats the point there? 80% of these being filmed are useless anyway (incomplete). And it does take a toll on the energy in GA, but considering the U2 crowd is significantly older (rightfully they sell GA to us in the fanclub, and we are not usually young) or hand picked by U2 in some cities (enormous VIP lists of donors to various bono deals who really are not into the band) that also plays a large part in the makeup of GA being different
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Post by: strudelwithcream on September 14, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
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It definitely affects the band. I don't think majorly, and they might get so used to it they won't mind at all, but would you rather someone dancing, singing, applauding, or standing there like a voyeur filming you.

I'm sure the band are used to being looked at.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: strudelwithcream on September 14, 2015, 10:39:18 AM
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how does other people behaviour with these kind of devices ruin anything for you as a concert goer?  as long as you don't join in with the nonsense, what's it to you?

To me, concerts are a communal experience. The energy, the shared love of the music, singing along... that's all what makes it so special. The problem is when people aren't really together in it; they're in their own world filming.

but then I'm in my own world watching the concert and listening intently.  I don't really notice the atmosphere to be honest.  I just don't like the idea of anyone obstructing my view.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: strudelwithcream on September 14, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QjcpozJVE

look at the bloody girl getting right in their faces filming them up on stage.  and people say the band don't like it and that it affects their performance.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: UnknownCaller98 on September 14, 2015, 12:40:27 PM
If there is someone near you who won't put their phone/camera away, then make sure you add some awful, off key singing to ruin their precious footage. Or you could "accidentally" barge into them.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: summerrain on September 14, 2015, 12:46:54 PM
Here's the bands POV about it

http://blog.instagram.com/post/129020374277/150913-u2

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“There were less here than there were in Italy,” says Bono of the number of phones he saw pointed in his direction the evening prior. By now the group has finished soundcheck — it took them several tries, but they finally nailed that transition — and are killing time on stage before the doors open and another sold-out crowd comes spilling in.

“In Italy it turns out everybody and their mother was doing it,” adds Larry.

“And their daughter and friends,” says Bono.

Adam steps up to offer his appeal.

“I think what it has instituted,” he says, “and you see it a lot from the stage, is the minute there’s not much to look at, people go to their phones, and they start to check their emails and stuff. That’s a new phenomenon.”

“That’s not what I am talking about,” Larry says to Adam. “What I am talking about is when there is something happening, the phone comes up to record it, which is a different response.”

The band soon begins a back-and-forth dialogue on the tenets of smartphone usage at concerts and what it all means, for both current and future artists. Bono eventually offers a philosophical end to the discussion.

“These songs have strong emotional attachments to people, so one way of looking at it, it’s like a kid scoring a goal or a child taking its first steps and having his mates have a photo of it,” he says. “Seeing Edge operate that pedal board, I feel like that every night.”

“I am like a child taking a first step?” replies The Edge, who chuckles.

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Post by: Wolf359 on September 14, 2015, 01:21:43 PM
I think the band has done a great job of embracing it and the whole meerkat bit they do each show is a good example of that. I like how they seem to just roll with it instead of fighting it (like Jack White, for instance).
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: opening night on September 14, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
Thanks for all your postings. Great opinions. And yes, I do think that cell phone use has exploded and ruins the event for band and audience.
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Post by: Starman on September 14, 2015, 08:40:22 PM

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I think the band has done a great job of embracing it and the whole meerkat bit they do each show is a good example of that. I like how they seem to just roll with it instead of fighting it (like Jack White, for instance).

That's a good point.
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Post by: briscoetheque on September 15, 2015, 03:47:34 AM
I wish they would just use the huge f$%k off screen that they have to put up a message. 'We would really prefer it if you didn't use your cellphones. You'll enjoy it more. We'll enjoy it more'.

That's it, no militant Prince style security threatening to smash phones, but a reminder that's it's just not necessary.

Actually, what would be a good idea is when someone is brought on stage for the 'meerkat' bit, that person should lob the iphone into the crowd and just dance around on stage. There's a statement.
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Post by: lazyboy on September 15, 2015, 04:04:24 AM
 ;D ^ spot on!
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Post by: jenniferh aka jen on September 15, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
I agree with both Larry and Adam on the issue. At my shows there were a lot of people taking pictures and filming. I took some photos but kept the phone in my pocket most of the time.

I did notice that during the Edge and Bono show that there were a lot of people checking email/twitter/Facebook. - this was in the GA section and not too much in the seats.

But trying to watch the band through a sea of phones is annoying.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: bonorules on September 15, 2015, 09:20:08 AM
I always find it funny to read through threads like this.  Everyone is so anti cell phones at concerts, but yet when the thread is made for each show day, the first 1-3 pages are dominated by people asking for periscope and mixlr feeds and then later on there is usually another page or two of people complaining that those feeds are not working properly.  You do understand that those happen because someone is using their cell phone at the show, right?  If that person wasn't holding up their phone the entire show to video stream it, then you wouldn't be able to sit on your couch at home and watch the show, so you could then come online and complain about all of the cell phones being used at the show.  Quite the predicament that some of you put yourselves in. :)

I do agree that the use of phones and cameras at shows is getting to be a bit extreme.  I definitely took some pictures and a few 30 second or so videos during the shows I attended, but I didn't keep my phone or camera up the entire time and was sure to not be blocking anyone's view when I did hold it up.  There were two guys in front of me during NYC 1 that I swore took more selfies than a couple of teenage girls.  I could see their screens each time they turned around to take a picture or video and I'm guessing over half of what they took was nothing more than a blurry mess when they scrolled through their gallery the next day.  Thankfully, their behavior was more annoying than obstructive of anyone's view, so my sister and I just sort of laughed at them and went back to enjoying the show.
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Post by: jenniferh aka jen on September 15, 2015, 09:44:54 AM
There is a difference with Periscope and Mixlr streams. If you are in the seats then you do not have to hold the phone above your head as chest level is better. Mixlr's don't need to be held above the head either, just far enough up to alleviate a muffle or something. In GA, it's a different story and that is the place with the biggest annoyance.

I have Periscoped from the seats and kept the phone at chest level. I didn't need to watch the show through my phone.
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Post by: strudelwithcream on September 15, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
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I wish they would just use the huge f$%k off screen that they have to put up a message. 'We would really prefer it if you didn't use your cellphones. You'll enjoy it more. We'll enjoy it more'.

That's it, no militant Prince style security threatening to smash phones, but a reminder that's it's just not necessary.

Actually, what would be a good idea is when someone is brought on stage for the 'meerkat' bit, that person should lob the iphone into the crowd and just dance around on stage. There's a statement.

I prefer the Sonny Corleone approach to dealing with unauthorized photographers.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: Deco on September 15, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
YES, take a pic and put the phone away and simply enough the show. Be there in the now.
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Post by: mariamontreal on September 15, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
I am very grateful for the kind people who provide us with the feeds so we can be a part of a show taking place in another continent.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: d.darroch on September 17, 2015, 06:13:02 AM
It's not practical, but it would be nice if photos (& video) was only permitted from the seats & designated areas at the back of GA (so it doesn't obstruct views or affect the atmosphere of the show).
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Post by: briscoetheque on September 17, 2015, 04:06:10 PM
You can't  enforce it but if the band asked you might be surprised...
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Post by: strudelwithcream on September 17, 2015, 04:28:13 PM
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You can't  enforce it but if the band asked you might be surprised...

the response wouldn't surprise me

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: d.darroch on September 18, 2015, 05:45:25 AM
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You can't  enforce it but if the band asked you might be surprised...
Yeah you're right Briscoe. Plus it is such a communal experience that maybe many people would actually say "yeah, that's a good idea, let's put the phones away".
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: lazyboy on September 18, 2015, 09:23:07 AM
They have that big ass screen. They could put a simple message up on it 5 minutes before showtime saying something like "dear fans, please try and video and photograph the show as little as possible, for the benefit of everyone's enjoyment of the show. Yours, the bands, and those around you."
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Post by: strudelwithcream on September 18, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
I always start off with the assumption that people are fundamentally selfish.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: lazyboy on September 18, 2015, 09:33:57 AM
Well that's a given. But even if 10% of people take notice, that helps!
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Post by: strudelwithcream on September 18, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
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Well that's a given. But even if 10% of people take notice, that helps!

not really.  it just means that an extra 10% of concert goers would be irritated and not even have any photos or clips to show for it.

Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: briscoetheque on September 19, 2015, 03:10:58 AM
Exactly. Any of you stalkers, please ask the band.
Title: Re: Are cellphone cameras ruining the tour?
Post by: codeguy on September 22, 2015, 11:50:22 AM
I would say if you announced in advance that while people are allowed to take photos and videos, please show consideration for others and keep your phone in your pocket most of the night, most people would respond. I agree that the whole thing is ruining the live experience. People are more interested in telling their friends that they are at a U2 concert than they are in actually being in the moment at a U2 concert.