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Title: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ZooropaNumberOneFan on January 21, 2016, 06:13:35 PM
This should be interesting... the only U2 song I actively dislike is Wild Honey. Funny because that's also the name of the only Beatles song I hate.
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Post by: So Cruel on January 21, 2016, 08:42:30 PM
Song for Someone
Unknown Caller
Get on Your Boots
Crazy Tonight
Peace on Earth
Ordinary Love
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Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on January 21, 2016, 09:55:20 PM
I really always disliked Peace on Earth, because it sounded INCREDIBLY cheesy. It's the only song I've never found anything redeeming about.
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Post by: tom_b1807 on January 22, 2016, 12:41:23 AM
Some Days Are Better Than Others.
Just plain bad.
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Post by: an tha on January 22, 2016, 01:10:37 AM
Crazy Tonight
Peace on Earth
Wild Honey
Ordonary Love
Elevation
Yahweh
When I Look at the World

They are the worst offenders for me.
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Post by: iehomecoming on January 22, 2016, 08:05:31 AM
I was going to just mention album songs but yeah Ordinary Love is just awful.

Grace
Peace on earth
Wild honey
ABOY
AMAAW
One step closer
Yahweh
GOYB
Crazy
SUC
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Post by: imaginary friend on January 22, 2016, 09:58:17 AM
Trip Through Your Wires, far and away. Even crap songs like Red Light and Refugee had good musical ideas for foundations - they were just executed horribly. TTYW's just a burning dung pile from top to bottom.
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Post by: Marvinho on January 22, 2016, 10:41:07 AM
A Man and A Woman and Peace On Earth are the only songs I genuinely can't sit through.
A Man ... sounds so dreary like something you'd hear in a fashionable boutique in the 80's ... not a good thing by the way.
Peace On Earth is just so corny it makes my toes curl.
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Post by: ShankAsu on January 22, 2016, 10:55:49 AM
The ones I always skip: Vertigo, Stuck in a Moment, Playboy Mansion, Velvet Dress, Miami, New York, All Because of You.
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Post by: il_capo on January 22, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
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Some Days Are Better Than Others.
Just plain bad.

I second this. 
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Post by: Blueyedboy on January 22, 2016, 12:56:58 PM
The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)
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Post by: il_capo on January 22, 2016, 01:10:18 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

I like it; they took an pretty average b-side from TJT and gave it a new lease of life with a more pensive vocal recording from Bono, and lovely musical touches from the Edge's guitars. 
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Post by: Spacejunk69 on January 22, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
Invisible
Ordinary Love
Yahweh
Crazy Tonight
City Of Blinding Lights

Honorable mentions, Song For Someone, Stuck In A Moment
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Post by: missey on January 22, 2016, 05:26:39 PM
Miami
Playboy Mansion
Party Girl
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Post by: zooshoes on January 22, 2016, 06:35:11 PM
Top Ten worst songs from U2:

01 Yahweh
02 Peace On Earth
03 Unknown Caller
04 Stand Up Comedy
05 Get On Your Boots
06 Grace
07 Elevation
08 Wild Honey
09 A Man And A Woman
10 Love And Peace Or Else

Honourable mentions:
Shadow and Tall Trees
I Threw A Brick Through A Window
Fire
With A Shout (Jerusalem)
Stranger In A Strange Land
Scarlet
Is That All?
The Refugee
Red Light
Trip Through Your Wires
The Refugee
Red Light
Elvis Presley & America
Vertigo
Magnificent
Iíll Go Crasy If I Donít Go Crazy Tonight
Breathe
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Post by: Doc_Holiday on January 22, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Invisible was remarkably the first U2 song I've ever skipped in a playlist... So that's the worst for me. I think it's their most embarassing effort, U2 at their blandest
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Post by: Kite32 on January 23, 2016, 12:23:07 AM

Pride - U2 at their most pompous
GOYB - enough said
All because of you
California
When love comes to town

Plus their Karoeke pub band cover versions of Dancing Barefoot and Everlasting Love are horrible
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Post by: LToy on January 24, 2016, 12:45:09 PM
Get On Your Boots
Ordinary Love
Staring At The Sun
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ZooropaNumberOneFan on January 24, 2016, 05:44:48 PM
the first five tracks of All That You Can't Leave Behind are some of the best content U2 has ever created. but the album faceplants from there. those are probably my least favorite U2 songs.

In A Little While, Peace On Earth, Grace, Wild Honey, etc. All really crappy.
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Post by: very good on January 24, 2016, 07:03:04 PM
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the first five tracks of All That You Can't Leave Behind are some of the best content U2 has ever created. but the album faceplants from there. those are probably my least favorite U2 songs.

In A Little While, Peace On Earth, Grace, Wild Honey, etc. All really crappy.
I agree with this except I extend the brilliance to track 6 before the face plant. Please have a listen to in a little while at full blast (especially the coda) and see if you can reconsider?!!
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Post by: Spacejunk69 on January 24, 2016, 09:25:43 PM
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the first five tracks of All That You Can't Leave Behind are some of the best content U2 has ever created. but the album faceplants from there. those are probably my least favorite U2 songs.

In A Little While, Peace On Earth, Grace, Wild Honey, etc. All really crappy.
I agree with this except I extend the brilliance to track 6 before the face plant. Please have a listen to in a little while at full blast (especially the coda) and see if you can reconsider?!!

I cant think of anything more torturous. Is an abysmal song in every sense of the word.
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Post by: tom_b1807 on January 25, 2016, 12:53:57 AM
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Some Days Are Better Than Others.
Just plain bad.

I second this.

Some songs are better than others  ;D
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Post by: Behind the Barricade on January 25, 2016, 01:58:38 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song

No the press got it all wrong, they actually returned to the classic U2 sound on Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of.

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Post by: iehomecoming on January 25, 2016, 08:06:03 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song

No the press got it all wrong, they actually returned to the classic U2 sound on Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of.

I had been a U2 fan since 83 and in no way did the moribund plodding Stuck remind me of "classic" U2

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: riffraff on January 25, 2016, 09:23:09 AM
ok, this thread has made me laugh, a lot! Yeah, some of the songs mentioned may not be U2 at their best, but even the worst U2 song is better than no music at all. I love their music, even the "bad" songs. It's a fun thread to read, though, so continue on...I need the laughs!
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Post by: LightMyWay92 on January 25, 2016, 09:43:05 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song

No the press got it all wrong, they actually returned to the classic U2 sound on Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of.

I had been a U2 fan since 83 and in no way did the moribund plodding Stuck remind me of "classic" U2
"Stuck in a Moment" didn't really have a classic U2 sound.  It's was something a little different for them.  I admit that when All That You Can't Leave Behind was new, I wasn't that much into the song.  I've since been able to appreciate it.  It's a well-written pop song with a pretty strong chorus.  I also always liked the harmonizing vocals at the end. 
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Post by: Spacejunk69 on January 25, 2016, 10:12:31 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song

No the press got it all wrong, they actually returned to the classic U2 sound on Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of.

The funny thing about the Sweetest Thing -  the original b-side form the 80's was brilliant, and 'classic 80's U2 sound - funky, rocky. The re-release was a terrible  poppy effort to try and chart.

And Stuck In A Moment is just plain bad.
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Post by: Vox on January 25, 2016, 10:28:19 AM
"Peace on Earth," by a mile.  Whenever I hear this song, I understand the crazy things people say about Bono in the comment sections at the bottom of articles. 
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Post by: The Exile on January 25, 2016, 11:20:49 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song

No the press got it all wrong, they actually returned to the classic U2 sound on Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of.

I had been a U2 fan since 83 and in no way did the moribund plodding Stuck remind me of "classic" U2

Oh come on, you're telling me you can actually tell Stuck in a Moment and Electric Co. apart?
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Post by: tom_b1807 on January 25, 2016, 11:23:43 AM
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the first five tracks of All That You Can't Leave Behind are some of the best content U2 has ever created. but the album faceplants from there. those are probably my least favorite U2 songs.

In A Little While, Peace On Earth, Grace, Wild Honey, etc. All really crappy.

At least you think WILATW is at least listenable, I'm guessing? If New York was half the song it is live on record then it would still be much better.
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Post by: ian ryan on January 25, 2016, 12:34:01 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)
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Post by: ian ryan on January 25, 2016, 12:37:00 PM
The two songs I will always skip are With A Shout and Love Rescue Me. Stand Up Comedy is getting close.
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Post by: Jswallow on January 25, 2016, 12:41:43 PM
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The two songs I will always skip are With A Shout and Love Rescue Me. Stand Up Comedy is getting close.
I must be in the minority here because i really like all 3 of those songs
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Post by: Blueyedboy on January 25, 2016, 12:59:24 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.
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Post by: ian ryan on January 25, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.
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Post by: The Exile on January 25, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

Well, the reason they didn't like Pop and Popmart was because it wasn't wildly popular, especially in the U.S. In other words, they decided that Pop was bad well after the fact. If it had resonated more with audiences they would not have backed away from their early support of it.

This, among other reasons, is why so many of us think the band lost their artistic integrity around this time. FFS, if the music is good the day you release it, it's still good a year later even if it didn't win any awards of earn a bunch of money.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on January 25, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it. 
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Post by: Blueyedboy on January 25, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

Well, the reason they didn't like Pop and Popmart was because it wasn't wildly popular, especially in the U.S. In other words, they decided that Pop was bad well after the fact. If it had resonated more with audiences they would not have backed away from their early support of it.

This, among other reasons, is why so many of us think the band lost their artistic integrity around this time. FFS, if the music is good the day you release it, it's still good a year later even if it didn't win any awards of earn a bunch of money.

That rings true with so many bands.

Blur - Think Tank
REM - New Adventures in Hifi
James - Wah Wah
Radiohead - Kid A

Just some of the artists that released the shackles and produced some of their best, most creative music since their debut.
The intention of these albums was to expand the bands creative mind rather than sales figures. Pop is in this bracket for me.
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Post by: The Exile on January 25, 2016, 03:49:26 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

Well, the reason they didn't like Pop and Popmart was because it wasn't wildly popular, especially in the U.S. In other words, they decided that Pop was bad well after the fact. If it had resonated more with audiences they would not have backed away from their early support of it.

This, among other reasons, is why so many of us think the band lost their artistic integrity around this time. FFS, if the music is good the day you release it, it's still good a year later even if it didn't win any awards of earn a bunch of money.

That rings true with so many bands.

Blur - Think Tank
REM - New Adventures in Hifi
James - Wah Wah
Radiohead - Kid A

Just some of the artists that released the shackles and produced some of their best, most creative music since their debut.
The intention of these albums was to expand the bands creative mind rather than sales figures. Pop is in this bracket for me.

But how many of these bands abandoned these albums like a red-headed stepchild the moment they didn't gain universal accolades?
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on January 25, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it.

well we should probably qualify that.  Larry wasn't happy with either Pop or NLOTH based on the comments he has made.

so perhaps you could say Bono and Edge won't put out a record if they aren't happy with it.


Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Blueyedboy on January 25, 2016, 04:36:27 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it.

well we should probably qualify that.  Larry wasn't happy with either Pop or NLOTH based on the comments he has made.

so perhaps you could say Bono and Edge won't put out a record if they aren't happy with it.

I think it would take up less space to list the albums that Larry is happy with.  ;)
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on January 25, 2016, 11:26:22 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song

No the press got it all wrong, they actually returned to the classic U2 sound on Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of.

I had been a U2 fan since 83 and in no way did the moribund plodding Stuck remind me of "classic" U2

I was joking.

 
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Post by: ian ryan on January 25, 2016, 11:53:02 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

Well, the reason they didn't like Pop and Popmart was because it wasn't wildly popular, especially in the U.S. In other words, they decided that Pop was bad well after the fact. If it had resonated more with audiences they would not have backed away from their early support of it.

This, among other reasons, is why so many of us think the band lost their artistic integrity around this time. FFS, if the music is good the day you release it, it's still good a year later even if it didn't win any awards of earn a bunch of money.

But it's obvious they didn't think it was as good as it could have been, or they wouldn't have been mixing it until the day it was delivered to the label, and remixing it for the singles well after its release. I love Pop, it's one of my favorite U2 albums, but they obviously disagreed and still disagree. It's ok for them to make mistakes, and make mistakes that we can still love and find massive artistic value in. That doesn't mean that they should have stuck with it if they felt it took them too far in a direction. As artists, they don't owe any of us anything, especially continuing to plow on in a direction that no longer gave them inspiration at the time.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ian ryan on January 25, 2016, 11:58:02 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it. 

I would agree that the '90s was their most creative, imaginative phase, but to call the past 15 years barren is to utterly disregard how much better they are as musicians and pure songwriters now, and how amazing they've been live. The past four tours have been amazing, and the I+E tour resonated with me longer than any other tour I've seen from them. Just because they shifted focus and started working on something else, something that doesn't talk to you or that you don't feel, doesn't mean what they've done is barren. What they're doing now is just as interesting as what they were doing then, but in a different way.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ian ryan on January 26, 2016, 12:01:28 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it.

well we should probably qualify that.  Larry wasn't happy with either Pop or NLOTH based on the comments he has made.

so perhaps you could say Bono and Edge won't put out a record if they aren't happy with it.




Bono's always too happy with the album before it comes out, and Larry is always conveniently unhappy with the album after it has come out, been knocked around, and the dust has settled.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Blueyedboy on January 26, 2016, 12:17:54 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)


I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it. 

I would agree that the '90s was their most creative, imaginative phase, but to call the past 15 years barren is to utterly disregard how much better they are as musicians and pure songwriters now, and how amazing they've been live. The past four tours have been amazing, and the I+E tour resonated with me longer than any other tour I've seen from them. Just because they shifted focus and started working on something else, something that doesn't talk to you or that you don't feel, doesn't mean what they've done is barren. What they're doing now is just as interesting as what they were doing then, but in a different way.

It's all good Ian, if you read my post you'll see that barren was used to describe the frequency of releases.
I'll agree to disagree on the "interesting" label you give to recent releases though, with the exception of NLOTH.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on January 26, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it.

well we should probably qualify that.  Larry wasn't happy with either Pop or NLOTH based on the comments he has made.

so perhaps you could say Bono and Edge won't put out a record if they aren't happy with it.

I can see the conversation going something like this:

Bono: So, we're going ahead with the release?
The Edge: I don't think Larry is happy with it.
Bono: What's that got to do with anything?


Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: UnknownCaller98 on January 26, 2016, 12:31:53 AM
F**king Wild Honey.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ian ryan on January 26, 2016, 01:13:15 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)


I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

You're 100% correct to assume the band were not at breaking point! they were enjoying the most creative spell of their careers.
If the barren spell of the last 15 years has told us anything, it's that U2 won't put out a record if they are not happy with it. 

I would agree that the '90s was their most creative, imaginative phase, but to call the past 15 years barren is to utterly disregard how much better they are as musicians and pure songwriters now, and how amazing they've been live. The past four tours have been amazing, and the I+E tour resonated with me longer than any other tour I've seen from them. Just because they shifted focus and started working on something else, something that doesn't talk to you or that you don't feel, doesn't mean what they've done is barren. What they're doing now is just as interesting as what they were doing then, but in a different way.

It's all good Ian, if you read my post you'll see that barren was used to describe the frequency of releases.
I'll agree to disagree on the "interesting" label you give to recent releases though, with the exception of NLOTH.

Ah, fair enough. I thought you were referring to the quality of their releases. My mistake.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: aviastar on January 28, 2016, 08:39:32 PM
90s Sweetest Thing, by a long shot.  Saccharine poppy B.S., and the video was even worse.  Bono dressed as elvis costello.

Peace on earth and new york are pretty dreadful as well.  So is miami.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ultravioletlight on January 28, 2016, 09:45:37 PM
Wild Honey.

I absolutely adore In A Little While. And to a lesser extent Yahweh. Both really good songs to me.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Cityofblindinglights on January 28, 2016, 10:21:09 PM
I don't get the hate for Wild Honey, must be a guy thing mostly and not a ladies thing.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: riffraff on January 29, 2016, 09:38:05 AM
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I don't get the hate for Wild Honey, must be a guy thing mostly and not a ladies thing.

I KNOW! Wild Honey is a great song...
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on January 29, 2016, 10:27:11 AM
Wild Honey is an inoffensive bagatelle.  Maybe for its time it lacked weight for a U2 song but not by todays standards of U2.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Thunder Peel on January 29, 2016, 10:45:48 AM
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I don't get the hate for Wild Honey, must be a guy thing mostly and not a ladies thing.

I'm a guy and I like Wild Honey. ;D

It's not a masterpiece but it's a sweet summertime tune that's just fun.
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Post by: riffraff on January 29, 2016, 10:52:39 AM
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I don't get the hate for Wild Honey, must be a guy thing mostly and not a ladies thing.

I'm a guy and I like Wild Honey. ;Dy
It's not a masterpiece but it's a sweet summertime tune that's just fun.

YAY...a guy that likes Wild Honey...and will admit to it! I bet there are other guys who like it, but you are the only one with the guts to say so! YAY
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Smee on January 29, 2016, 11:19:57 AM
Of all the tracks ever to appear on a u2 studio album...i really only Struggle with GOYB....but wont skip it when listening to the album. SUC is weak too.
Two songs i get sick of hearing (again and again) is BD and Vertigo....but...BD especially bores me live now

of the songs which have cult status among many u2 fans...i dont get all the luv for Mercy. For me...its a plodder that never really takes flight
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: codeguy on January 29, 2016, 11:44:52 PM
Wow, what's with the wild honey hate? Seriously, it's not a great song but its also inoffensive. There are worse.....a lot worse. How about Bono's cover of Leonard Cohen's hallelujah? Not the 360 version, the 90's studio version. Woof.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Voltee on January 30, 2016, 08:45:04 AM
There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: markreed on January 31, 2016, 03:21:12 PM
The worst U2 song? Of the albums, "Wild Honey". Of the rest of the work, something like "Smile" or "Sixty Seconds In Kingdom Come".
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: riffraff on February 01, 2016, 09:05:09 AM
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There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??

Well, the song goes on and on and on, far too long, but it does reference the 9/11 attack in America, and being a loyal, patriotic American, I like the song just for that reason. It is kinda slow and um, I hate to say boring, but it still has some beauty to it, I suppose.
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Post by: Kite32 on February 01, 2016, 03:17:39 PM
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There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??

Well, the song goes on and on and on, far too long, but it does reference the 9/11 attack in America, and being a loyal, patriotic American, I like the song just for that reason. It is kinda slow and um, I hate to say boring, but it still has some beauty to it, I suppose.

It doesn't reference 9/11 at all. The song was written for the film 'Gangs of new York'. The film itself is terrible but the song for me is one of U2's better one's post POP...
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: missey on February 01, 2016, 05:01:19 PM
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There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??

Well, the song goes on and on and on, far too long, but it does reference the 9/11 attack in America, and being a loyal, patriotic American, I like the song just for that reason. It is kinda slow and um, I hate to say boring, but it still has some beauty to it, I suppose.

It doesn't reference 9/11 at all. The song was written for the film 'Gangs of new York'. The film itself is terrible but the song for me is one of U2's better one's post POP...


It does indeed reference 9/11.  One of the reasons I like it too are these lyrics:

 It's early fall, there's a cloud on the New York skyline
 Innocence dragged across a yellow line
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on February 01, 2016, 09:55:17 PM
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The Sweetest Thing. Not a bad tune on the face of it but this song is evil. If it wasn't for the good press the band got for "returning to the classic U2 sound" with this song then I believe I wouldn't still be saying that POP is their last great album.
This song stopped U2s creative trajectory dead in its tracks and deserves to have every copy burned as a result. I would even fund a King Herod stylee search for the last copy just to get even!
 ;)

So, do you really, really think it was that song that made them change, or perhaps the pain in the rear that it was to make Pop, the critical and commercial negativity that went with it, and then the slog that Popmart ended up being for them? You're right, it was probably the song rather than three or four years of a rough time professionally and artistically that did it. (This is not a criticism of Pop or Popmart, but an acknowledgement of how much trouble they had with the album and the tour.)

I fully agree that a lot of time and effort went into Pop and not what followed.


Where did I say that they didn't put time and effort into what followed? Thing is, they could put all the time and effort into Pop that they wanted, but if they didn't like what became of it, they would feel much more unhappy about being a band. Obviously they weren't at breaking point, but they obviously also weren't happy with where U2 was at. So, in that sense, the time and effort mean nothing. It's the final product that counts.

Well, the reason they didn't like Pop and Popmart was because it wasn't wildly popular, especially in the U.S. In other words, they decided that Pop was bad well after the fact. If it had resonated more with audiences they would not have backed away from their early support of it.

This, among other reasons, is why so many of us think the band lost their artistic integrity around this time. FFS, if the music is good the day you release it, it's still good a year later even if it didn't win any awards of earn a bunch of money.

U2 have a gift for reinvention.  They did it in 1990 and then did it again in 2000.  Once in the limelight you must constantly renew it by adapting and varying your method of courting attention. If you don't, the public will grow tired, will take you for granted, and will move on to a newer star. The game requires constant vigilance and creativity.

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: an tha on February 02, 2016, 12:58:44 AM
Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on February 02, 2016, 01:03:51 AM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US)

There were poor ticket sales (for a stadium show) in many US cities, Germany, South Africa and Australia, but the rest of the shows did well.  Artistically speaking it was, and still is, probably their best stage design to date.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: riffraff on February 02, 2016, 06:34:27 AM
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There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??

Well, the song goes on and on and on, far too long, but it does reference the 9/11 attack in America, and being a loyal, patriotic American, I like the song just for that reason. It is kinda slow and um, I hate to say boring, but it still has some beauty to it, I suppose.

It doesn't reference 9/11 at all. The song was written for the film 'Gangs of new York'. The film itself is terrible but the song for me is one of U2's better one's post POP...


It does indeed reference 9/11.  One of the reasons I like it too are these lyrics:

 It's early fall, there's a cloud on the New York skyline
 Innocence dragged across a yellow line

Thank you!
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: missey on February 02, 2016, 04:52:52 PM
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There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??

Well, the song goes on and on and on, far too long, but it does reference the 9/11 attack in America, and being a loyal, patriotic American, I like the song just for that reason. It is kinda slow and um, I hate to say boring, but it still has some beauty to it, I suppose.

It doesn't reference 9/11 at all. The song was written for the film 'Gangs of new York'. The film itself is terrible but the song for me is one of U2's better one's post POP...


It does indeed reference 9/11.  One of the reasons I like it too are these lyrics:

 It's early fall, there's a cloud on the New York skyline
 Innocence dragged across a yellow line

Thank you!

You're welcome! ;)
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 02, 2016, 05:29:19 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   

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Post by: SlyDanner on February 02, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US)

There were poor ticket sales (for a stadium show) in many US cities, Germany, South Africa and Australia, but the rest of the shows did well.  Artistically speaking it was, and still is, probably their best stage design to date.

I+E = their best stage design.  Followed by Elevation.  Then Zoo, Vertigo and perhaps then Farcemart. 
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: LightMyWay92 on February 02, 2016, 05:44:31 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   
I can't believe that they ever did all of that!  It falls into the "what were they thinking" category.  It almost made me physically ill to see the band I first discovered from the Red Rocks 1983 concert presenting themselves like that! I can't help but associate the Pop album with that whole presentation, which is too bad because I like a lot of those songs if not the sound of the album.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Doc_Holiday on February 02, 2016, 07:10:29 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   

The boxer robes, gay cowboy, gas masks thing was less bizarre than when they dressed like freaking hillibillies for The joshua tree and Rattle and hum.
They looked funky and cool and it was in tune with the spirit of the record, unlike hillibilly bono and edge taking themselves extremely seriously. If they should be ashamed of their dressing habits during any moment of their touring career, it's the 87-89 era for sure
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: LightMyWay92 on February 02, 2016, 07:32:01 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   

The boxer robes, gay cowboy, gas masks thing was less bizarre than when they dressed like freaking hillibillies for The joshua tree and Rattle and hum.
They looked funky and cool and it was in tune with the spirit of the record, unlike hillibilly bono and edge taking themselves extremely seriously. If they should be ashamed of their dressing habits during any moment of their touring career, it's the 87-89 era for sure
Actually I was just watching live videos from Paris in '87.  They were dressed more Western/cowboy than hillbilly.  They were unbelievably great on that tour.  I think the first time I saw the Popmart costumes was early in the tour when Rolling Stone did a story on it.  I saw the picture of Bono in that god-awful muscle shirt and just felt sick wondering what had happened to U2.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: PopMart on February 02, 2016, 09:37:54 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   
I can't believe that they ever did all of that!  It falls into the "what were they thinking" category.  It almost made me physically ill to see the band I first discovered from the Red Rocks 1983 concert presenting themselves like that! I can't help but associate the Pop album with that whole presentation, which is too bad because I like a lot of those songs if not the sound of the album.

As a HUGE advocate of PopMart and a huge fan of that mid-90's era, I have to bring up... It was all an irony. Achtung Baby heralded the Fly who made fun of huge rockstars, he turned the band more to the satirical commentary on modern culture. And what is PopMart but an enormous statement! Pop, the album, is full of references to the insanity and ridculousness of pop culture. Discotheque was a dance song, made to satirize dance songs. And what do you know? It hit number one. One look at the lyrics of The Playboy Mansion and then it all makes sense. They never believed what they were saying and purporting themselves to be, but it sure as hell didn't stop them from turning the entire charade into one massive concert that summarized it all.

Summary: U2 in the 90's were making fun of the exaggerated idea of pop culture and music and made fun of it till Beautiful Day happened.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: PopMart on February 02, 2016, 09:59:33 PM
Back on topic though.

In my opinion? It has to be said that October might be the most upsetting mark on U2's history. Maybe not the biggest or most noticeable, but it's been there since 1981 and it's going nowhere. The only songs I actually remember are "Gloria" and "I Threw a Brick through a Window"

You can count most of their covers from Rattle and Hum as well. Or... I'm going to get slandered... The second half of the Joshua Tree.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: The Edges Cat on February 02, 2016, 11:16:29 PM
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The boxer robes, gay cowboy, gas masks thing was less bizarre than when they dressed like freaking hillibillies for The joshua tree and Rattle and hum.
They looked funky and cool and it was in tune with the spirit of the record, unlike hillibilly bono and edge taking themselves extremely seriously. If they should be ashamed of their dressing habits during any moment of their touring career, it's the 87-89 era for sure

The bohemian Irish hillbilly look was the fashion in the late 1980s. ;)

And it led to grunge... did anyone in U2 ever wear corduroy and baseball tees?
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on February 03, 2016, 03:23:17 AM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US)

There were poor ticket sales (for a stadium show) in many US cities, Germany, South Africa and Australia, but the rest of the shows did well.  Artistically speaking it was, and still is, probably their best stage design to date.

I+E = their best stage design. 


A stage design that precluded about 10-20% of the audience from fully enjoying the experience is their best stage design?  Really?
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: LightMyWay92 on February 03, 2016, 04:43:06 AM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US)

There were poor ticket sales (for a stadium show) in many US cities, Germany, South Africa and Australia, but the rest of the shows did well.  Artistically speaking it was, and still is, probably their best stage design to date.

I+E = their best stage design. 


A stage design that precluded about 10-20% of the audience from fully enjoying the experience is their best stage design?  Really?
How much of a stage design does U2 really need anyway?  We're not talking about Pink Floyd here.  With U2 the whole point of the live performance is the songs and the emotional connection with the audience.  For me the best way to help that along was the "catwalk/heart" set ups they had on the Elevation and Vertigo Tour and the tours that followed.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: an tha on February 03, 2016, 05:02:58 AM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   

I never had you down as the sort that irony would be lost on....
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 03, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   

I never had you down as the sort that irony would be lost on....

Trust me, I get plenty of iron.  And magnesium too for that matter.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 03, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US)

There were poor ticket sales (for a stadium show) in many US cities, Germany, South Africa and Australia, but the rest of the shows did well.  Artistically speaking it was, and still is, probably their best stage design to date.

I+E = their best stage design. 


A stage design that precluded about 10-20% of the audience from fully enjoying the experience is their best stage design?  Really?

yes, really. 
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 03, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   
I can't believe that they ever did all of that!  It falls into the "what were they thinking" category.  It almost made me physically ill to see the band I first discovered from the Red Rocks 1983 concert presenting themselves like that! I can't help but associate the Pop album with that whole presentation, which is too bad because I like a lot of those songs if not the sound of the album.

As a HUGE advocate of PopMart and a huge fan of that mid-90's era, I have to bring up... It was all an irony. Achtung Baby heralded the Fly who made fun of huge rockstars, he turned the band more to the satirical commentary on modern culture. And what is PopMart but an enormous statement! Pop, the album, is full of references to the insanity and ridculousness of pop culture. Discotheque was a dance song, made to satirize dance songs. And what do you know? It hit number one. One look at the lyrics of The Playboy Mansion and then it all makes sense. They never believed what they were saying and purporting themselves to be, but it sure as hell didn't stop them from turning the entire charade into one massive concert that summarized it all.

Summary: U2 in the 90's were making fun of the exaggerated idea of pop culture and music and made fun of it till Beautiful Day happened.

yes we all understand the irony thing - U2 making fun of Pop culture, blah blah blah.  The issue, as with so many U2-related topics, was the execution.  Came off terribly and the band know it, which is why they have buried it.  Too bad as I like a lot of the Pop album.  But no tears to see the costumes and other theatrics left behind.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Kite32 on February 03, 2016, 03:19:47 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   
I can't believe that they ever did all of that!  It falls into the "what were they thinking" category.  It almost made me physically ill to see the band I first discovered from the Red Rocks 1983 concert presenting themselves like that! I can't help but associate the Pop album with that whole presentation, which is too bad because I like a lot of those songs if not the sound of the album.

As a HUGE advocate of PopMart and a huge fan of that mid-90's era, I have to bring up... It was all an irony. Achtung Baby heralded the Fly who made fun of huge rockstars, he turned the band more to the satirical commentary on modern culture. And what is PopMart but an enormous statement! Pop, the album, is full of references to the insanity and ridculousness of pop culture. Discotheque was a dance song, made to satirize dance songs. And what do you know? It hit number one. One look at the lyrics of The Playboy Mansion and then it all makes sense. They never believed what they were saying and purporting themselves to be, but it sure as hell didn't stop them from turning the entire charade into one massive concert that summarized it all.

Summary: U2 in the 90's were making fun of the exaggerated idea of pop culture and music and made fun of it till Beautiful Day happened.

yes we all understand the irony thing - U2 making fun of Pop culture, blah blah blah.  The issue, as with so many U2-related topics, was the execution.  Came off terribly and the band know it, which is why they have buried it.  Too bad as I like a lot of the Pop album.  But no tears to see the costumes and other theatrics left behind.

It really didn't come off terribly - I'll take U2 aiming high but missing over the homogenised crap they've been making since then. The closest they came to it since was 360 - the differences being POPMART was supported by a great album. 360 wasn't. POPMART looked visually stunning. 360 looked ridiculous and not in a good way. Elevation, vertigo and I and E are all variations on the same boring theme of catwalks into the audience. It worked for elevation as it was new for them. Vertigo was essentially exactly the same thing but with a red oval instead of a heart. I and E simply straightened out the oval and made it yellow.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: iehomecoming on February 03, 2016, 04:51:58 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US)

There were poor ticket sales (for a stadium show) in many US cities, Germany, South Africa and Australia, but the rest of the shows did well.  Artistically speaking it was, and still is, probably their best stage design to date.

I+E = their best stage design. 


A stage design that precluded about 10-20% of the audience from fully enjoying the experience is their best stage design?  Really?

The Stage Design was the weakest aspect of the I+E tour.

There hasn't been a decent Stage Design since Elevation, that was the last one not to obstruct views and was simple, effective yet imaginative.

Willie's time has long since passed.



Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 03, 2016, 06:22:42 PM
I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: lemonChiled on February 03, 2016, 07:36:21 PM
Stand up comedy is a rocking song but the lyrics could be a lot better.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Blueyedboy on February 03, 2016, 10:05:42 PM
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Not sure why people always label Popmart a slog or a failure.

The tour was a massive success and the band were on fire (once it left the US) and I seem to recall that the 2nd US leg went over OK.

The European, South American and Asian shows went down a storm.

well there is a reason the band abandoned the schtick that was Popmart. 

Giant lemons, boxer robes, gas masks, gay cowboy outfits.  Ironically this was U2 trying desperately to be cool, even more so than in present times... although fans of that tour don't ever acknowledge that.   
I can't believe that they ever did all of that!  It falls into the "what were they thinking" category.  It almost made me physically ill to see the band I first discovered from the Red Rocks 1983 concert presenting themselves like that! I can't help but associate the Pop album with that whole presentation, which is too bad because I like a lot of those songs if not the sound of the album.

As a HUGE advocate of PopMart and a huge fan of that mid-90's era, I have to bring up... It was all an irony. Achtung Baby heralded the Fly who made fun of huge rockstars, he turned the band more to the satirical commentary on modern culture. And what is PopMart but an enormous statement! Pop, the album, is full of references to the insanity and ridculousness of pop culture. Discotheque was a dance song, made to satirize dance songs. And what do you know? It hit number one. One look at the lyrics of The Playboy Mansion and then it all makes sense. They never believed what they were saying and purporting themselves to be, but it sure as hell didn't stop them from turning the entire charade into one massive concert that summarized it all.

Summary: U2 in the 90's were making fun of the exaggerated idea of pop culture and music and made fun of it till Beautiful Day happened.

yes we all understand the irony thing - U2 making fun of Pop culture, blah blah blah.  The issue, as with so many U2-related topics, was the execution.  Came off terribly and the band know it, which is why they have buried it.  Too bad as I like a lot of the Pop album.  But no tears to see the costumes and other theatrics left behind.

It really didn't come off terribly - I'll take U2 aiming high but missing over the homogenised crap they've been making since then. The closest they came to it since was 360 - the differences being POPMART was supported by a great album. 360 wasn't. POPMART looked visually stunning. 360 looked ridiculous and not in a good way. Elevation, vertigo and I and E are all variations on the same boring theme of catwalks into the audience. It worked for elevation as it was new for them. Vertigo was essentially exactly the same thing but with a red oval instead of a heart. I and E simply straightened out the oval and made it yellow.

I'm all over this. I think some folk would rather see Bono still wearing a cowboy hat or waving a flag at the crowd at the expense of doing something that challanges their audience or, more importantly, themselves.
That the album or tour didn't do particularly well in the states is due to the fact it is a very European album.
You've got to remember that at the time dance music was huge on the continent (the Perfect Mix of EBTTRT was more popular than the original in the UK). Pop continued with the dance vibe and produced an absolute belter of an album and a fantastic visual accompaniment in Popmart.

There were signs of U2 going down this route even in the late eighties, you just have to look at the remixing that started to appear on the R&H B sides to see that U2 were curious about dance music way back.
Finally, surley everyone gets that Edge was taking the p155 out of himself with his costume.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Kite32 on February 04, 2016, 01:52:14 AM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Sorry but how does a catwalk into the audience break new ground? Bands have been doing it for years. Equally big screens wether they're at the back of a stage or parallel to a catwalk are nothing new. What's projected onto them is the important thing and anyone with a passing interest in art or popular culture would know the POPMART visuals were way more visually articulate than I and e.

Granted no one has done anything like I and e in the EXACT same way before but plenty have done variations on the theme. The only aspect I would say was vaguely interesting was the ability for the band to stand inside the screen. But that just came across as a bit daft. Especially during invisible. I mean why, conceptually would you stand inside a video screen?
So in summary nothing new to see on I and E. POPMART on the other hand looked like nothing anyone had done before or has done since.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: iehomecoming on February 04, 2016, 08:35:20 AM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

"excruciatingly small minority" ? Maybe, maybe not.

My favorite part of the shows was when they WEREN'T in the screen, and they aren't connecting with people who CAN'T SEE THE BAND regardless of whose fault it is. 10-20% by some accounts, but even if it was 1 % it's unacceptable to sell tickets at those kinds of prices and not tell people they won't see the band for large chunks of the show. Same was true of the stupid claw, at the Rose bowl people were being relocated from the $250 seats because they couldn't see.

Ditch the dumb props and choreography and just play the damn music. Willie needs to be reined in. Keep it simple stupid.

I did enjoy the IE shows, much more than 360 or Vertigo, and I had seats which allowed me to not get blocked views, but frankly I thought the inside the screen stuff was just dumb. Something I'd expect to see from Madonna. Oh wait......

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 04, 2016, 10:28:21 AM
Having been to every tour multiple times since War, I have been fortunate enough to have experienced all of the possible stage designs. Popmart resonated with me an infinite amount more than I and E  ever will and it was in a stadium for goodness sake. I live in the states and saw some of the first shows of Popmart. For me, I and E was a decent rock show. But even with some of the bells and whistles, the band simply did not connect with the crowd like they used to for whatever reason. (I could go on and on about why).  And thus, the audience was lackluster at best compared to any other U2 tours I have been too. Everything about Popmart was exciting and innovative for me. I and E, not so much.......
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 04, 2016, 02:44:49 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Sorry but how does a catwalk into the audience break new ground? Bands have been doing it for years. Equally big screens wether they're at the back of a stage or parallel to a catwalk are nothing new. What's projected onto them is the important thing and anyone with a passing interest in art or popular culture would know the POPMART visuals were way more visually articulate than I and e.

Granted no one has done anything like I and e in the EXACT same way before but plenty have done variations on the theme. The only aspect I would say was vaguely interesting was the ability for the band to stand inside the screen. But that just came across as a bit daft. Especially during invisible. I mean why, conceptually would you stand inside a video screen?
So in summary nothing new to see on I and E. POPMART on the other hand looked like nothing anyone had done before or has done since.

with respect I think you're missing my points.  I understand yours and that's cool - you like Popmart better.  nothing wrong with that, or unusual at least in these forums.  But honestly, if you are really asking why the band stepped inside the video screen then the concept was lost on you I think. 

as to the rest its all opinion of course.  I suspect if you scanned the media reviews for both tours you'd find my observations strongly supported.  alas, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 04, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.


Ditch the dumb props and choreography and just play the damn music. Willie needs to be reined in. Keep it simple stupid.


I agree.  But I wonder - can the band actually get on stage and just play?  I am not so sure.  I saw AC/DC the other night and musically, they blew U2 away.  Those guys are in their 60s and they made U2 look like an off broadway production, musically speaking.  Not saying I like their music better, but they delivered a performance U2 could not dream of.

as for Willie, remember he is just doing what his clients pay him to do.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: iehomecoming on February 04, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
Of course they can just keep it simple and get up there and play. The elevation tour was relatively minimalistic and imo more successful. They just need to rehearse more than they usually do. As for Willie, the client gets final say but I get the feeling they just go along with whatever he comes up with.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 04, 2016, 04:12:42 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.


Ditch the dumb props and choreography and just play the damn music. Willie needs to be reined in. Keep it simple stupid.


I agree.  But I wonder - can the band actually get on stage and just play?  I am not so sure.  I saw AC/DC the other night and musically, they blew U2 away.  Those guys are in their 60s and they made U2 look like an off broadway production, musically speaking.  Not saying I like their music better, but they delivered a performance U2 could not dream of.

as for Willie, remember he is just doing what his clients pay him to do.

A believe a huge part of this is simply that injury or not, Bono does not keep himself in shape at all. He was lethargic and when he did move around, it was awkward. That coupled with his voice being mediocre was a recipe for average gigs. Look at a guy like Vedder who is close to Bono's age and that dude brings it every night. Just full of energy and emotion. It's a huge part of how the crowd responds! NoT comparing the the type of music but, PJ shows musically and otherwise rip U2 a new ar*e. And they do it with zero bells and whistles! Bruce of course is also on another planet with regards to his energy and taking care of himself. Bono reminded me on this tour of Adam Duritz (counting crows) when he was abusing booze, was grossly over weight and was a slug on stage!! You are paid to perform, step to the plate! The ACDC example is perfect!
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 04, 2016, 04:28:01 PM
pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 04, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 04, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51

Yep.  And to me the other difference is that for guys like Bruce, Eddie, Brian Johnson, Dave Grohl, etc - music is their #1 priority.  Bono treats it like a sideshow to the Nobel quest.  Now I am really digressing... oops....
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Kite32 on February 04, 2016, 05:35:38 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Sorry but how does a catwalk into the audience break new ground? Bands have been doing it for years. Equally big screens wether they're at the back of a stage or parallel to a catwalk are nothing new. What's projected onto them is the important thing and anyone with a passing interest in art or popular culture would know the POPMART visuals were way more visually articulate than I and e.

Granted no one has done anything like I and e in the EXACT same way before but plenty have done variations on the theme. The only aspect I would say was vaguely interesting was the ability for the band to stand inside the screen. But that just came across as a bit daft. Especially during invisible. I mean why, conceptually would you stand inside a video screen?
So in summary nothing new to see on I and E. POPMART on the other hand looked like nothing anyone had done before or has done since.

with respect I think you're missing my points.  I understand yours and that's cool - you like Popmart better.  nothing wrong with that, or unusual at least in these forums.  But honestly, if you are really asking why the band stepped inside the video screen then the concept was lost on you I think. 

as to the rest its all opinion of course.  I suspect if you scanned the media reviews for both tours you'd find my observations strongly supported.  alas, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I can imagine the conversation in the U2 camp :

Bono - we need to come up with a concept about our song 'invisisble' - I suggest we step inside our big video screen and have the graphics on the screen slowly reveal the band so we become the opposite of invisible which is... Edge?

Edge - oh er... visible!!!

Bono - what about you Clayton, what do you think?

Clayton - well Bono I agree with Edge - it's a radical concept and I don't fully understand it but let's do it!

Bono - Larry, how about you?

Larry - I agree with Adam. The concept is too complicated for me but if you and Edge think it's clever then who are we to argue.

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Doc_Holiday on February 04, 2016, 06:03:19 PM
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A believe a huge part of this is simply that injury or not, Bono does not keep himself in shape at all.
I've been saying this, I completely agree.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on February 04, 2016, 06:22:22 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Sorry but how does a catwalk into the audience break new ground? Bands have been doing it for years. Equally big screens wether they're at the back of a stage or parallel to a catwalk are nothing new. What's projected onto them is the important thing and anyone with a passing interest in art or popular culture would know the POPMART visuals were way more visually articulate than I and e.

Granted no one has done anything like I and e in the EXACT same way before but plenty have done variations on the theme. The only aspect I would say was vaguely interesting was the ability for the band to stand inside the screen. But that just came across as a bit daft. Especially during invisible. I mean why, conceptually would you stand inside a video screen?
So in summary nothing new to see on I and E. POPMART on the other hand looked like nothing anyone had done before or has done since.

with respect I think you're missing my points.  I understand yours and that's cool - you like Popmart better.  nothing wrong with that, or unusual at least in these forums.  But honestly, if you are really asking why the band stepped inside the video screen then the concept was lost on you I think. 

as to the rest its all opinion of course.  I suspect if you scanned the media reviews for both tours you'd find my observations strongly supported.  alas, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I can imagine the conversation in the U2 camp :

Bono - we need to come up with a concept about our song 'invisisble' - I suggest we step inside our big video screen and have the graphics on the screen slowly reveal the band so we become the opposite of invisible which is... Edge?

Edge - oh er... visible!!!

Bono - what about you Clayton, what do you think?

Clayton - well Bono I agree with Edge - it's a radical concept and I don't fully understand it but let's do it!

Bono - Larry, how about you?

Larry - I agree with Adam. The concept is too complicated for me but if you and Edge think it's clever then who are we to argue.

Somehow the register of that dialogue doesn't ring true.  Bono probably wouldn't ask Adam and Larry's opinion on the matter and Larry's observation would probably be limited to one word, "Jaysus!"
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 04, 2016, 07:33:34 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Sorry but how does a catwalk into the audience break new ground? Bands have been doing it for years. Equally big screens wether they're at the back of a stage or parallel to a catwalk are nothing new. What's projected onto them is the important thing and anyone with a passing interest in art or popular culture would know the POPMART visuals were way more visually articulate than I and e.

Granted no one has done anything like I and e in the EXACT same way before but plenty have done variations on the theme. The only aspect I would say was vaguely interesting was the ability for the band to stand inside the screen. But that just came across as a bit daft. Especially during invisible. I mean why, conceptually would you stand inside a video screen?
So in summary nothing new to see on I and E. POPMART on the other hand looked like nothing anyone had done before or has done since.

with respect I think you're missing my points.  I understand yours and that's cool - you like Popmart better.  nothing wrong with that, or unusual at least in these forums.  But honestly, if you are really asking why the band stepped inside the video screen then the concept was lost on you I think. 

as to the rest its all opinion of course.  I suspect if you scanned the media reviews for both tours you'd find my observations strongly supported.  alas, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I can imagine the conversation in the U2 camp :

Bono - we need to come up with a concept about our song 'invisisble' - I suggest we step inside our big video screen and have the graphics on the screen slowly reveal the band so we become the opposite of invisible which is... Edge?

Edge - oh er... visible!!!

Bono - what about you Clayton, what do you think?

Clayton - well Bono I agree with Edge - it's a radical concept and I don't fully understand it but let's do it!

Bono - Larry, how about you?

Larry - I agree with Adam. The concept is too complicated for me but if you and Edge think it's clever then who are we to argue.

Somehow the register of that dialogue doesn't ring true.  Bono probably wouldn't ask Adam and Larry's opinion on the matter and Larry's observation would probably be limited to one word, "Jaysus!"

 8) I think Larry is still confused by the fact that he was replaced with electronic drums on that song... 'seriously guys what'ya do that for???'
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 04, 2016, 09:37:12 PM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51
Wow, never would have guessed that, dude must have been older when they started out. Either way, it's Pearl Jam so I can't imagine their shows being THAT good  :)
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: The Edges Cat on February 04, 2016, 11:54:28 PM
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I respect the recent opinions on the I+E stage design being poor, but I still strongly disagree and you must know you are in the excruciatingly small minority with that opinion.  The stage, which formed the structural foundation for the visually stunning screen, broke new ground.  Connecting with more of the audience, making the 'front rail' less of a 'must have' location, allowing floor ticket holders to move around... all these things made possible and never done before in this exact way.  Combined with the lights down the aisle, the screen above, the overhead sound system... sorry but to say Popmart was better is absurd. 

The weakest aspects of the I+E stage were really not faults with the stage itself but with the screen blocking some upper level views and the fact that many seats should not have been sold in the back.  Not stage issues per se, those were management decisions.  Also, the e-stage should have been used more creatively but again, not a stage issue in and of itself.

Sorry but how does a catwalk into the audience break new ground? Bands have been doing it for years. Equally big screens wether they're at the back of a stage or parallel to a catwalk are nothing new. What's projected onto them is the important thing and anyone with a passing interest in art or popular culture would know the POPMART visuals were way more visually articulate than I and e.

Granted no one has done anything like I and e in the EXACT same way before but plenty have done variations on the theme. The only aspect I would say was vaguely interesting was the ability for the band to stand inside the screen. But that just came across as a bit daft. Especially during invisible. I mean why, conceptually would you stand inside a video screen?
So in summary nothing new to see on I and E. POPMART on the other hand looked like nothing anyone had done before or has done since.

with respect I think you're missing my points.  I understand yours and that's cool - you like Popmart better.  nothing wrong with that, or unusual at least in these forums.  But honestly, if you are really asking why the band stepped inside the video screen then the concept was lost on you I think. 

as to the rest its all opinion of course.  I suspect if you scanned the media reviews for both tours you'd find my observations strongly supported.  alas, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I can imagine the conversation in the U2 camp :

Bono - we need to come up with a concept about our song 'invisisble' - I suggest we step inside our big video screen and have the graphics on the screen slowly reveal the band so we become the opposite of invisible which is... Edge?

Edge - oh er... visible!!!

Bono - what about you Clayton, what do you think?

Clayton - well Bono I agree with Edge - it's a radical concept and I don't fully understand it but let's do it!

Bono - Larry, how about you?

Larry - I agree with Adam. The concept is too complicated for me but if you and Edge think it's clever then who are we to argue.

Somehow the register of that dialogue doesn't ring true.  Bono probably wouldn't ask Adam and Larry's opinion on the matter and Larry's observation would probably be limited to one word, "Jaysus!"

 8) I think Larry is still confused by the fact that he was replaced with electronic drums on that song... 'seriously guys what'ya do that for???'

I have a hunch it wasn't Bono who came up with these ideas. ;)
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 05, 2016, 06:06:14 AM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51
Wow, never would have guessed that, dude must have been older when they started out. Either way, it's Pearl Jam so I can't imagine their shows being THAT good  :)

Ha!! Try one on for size.....you might love it!! And just on a little side note. Pearl jam going on tour soon. The entire arena is around $80. None of the BS tiered pricing for exorbitant amounts on money. Now that's a band that keeps it real for fans!! but, I digress.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 05, 2016, 06:09:09 AM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51

Yep.  And to me the other difference is that for guys like Bruce, Eddie, Brian Johnson, Dave Grohl, etc - music is their #1 priority.  Bono treats it like a sideshow to the Nobel quest.  Now I am really digressing... oops....

Absolute truth! Hence, the lack of production and mediocre quality (at best sometimes) for the past 16 years.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 05, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
I've got a few friends who are die-hard PJ fans.  Their music just doesn't speak to me- at all.  I've seen videos of performances and I just don't recall Vedder ever being that lively of a performer, whereas Bono at times is doing calisthenics.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on February 05, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51
Wow, never would have guessed that, dude must have been older when they started out. Either way, it's Pearl Jam so I can't imagine their shows being THAT good  :)

Ha!! Try one on for size.....you might love it!! And just on a little side note. Pearl jam going on tour soon. The entire arena is around $80. None of the BS tiered pricing for exorbitant amounts on money. Now that's a band that keeps it real for fans!! but, I digress.

They'd be playing to half empty arenas if they charged U2 prices.

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 05, 2016, 11:21:52 AM
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pretty sure Vedder is at least a decade younger than Bono.

Bono 55....Vedder 51
Wow, never would have guessed that, dude must have been older when they started out. Either way, it's Pearl Jam so I can't imagine their shows being THAT good  :)

Ha!! Try one on for size.....you might love it!! And just on a little side note. Pearl jam going on tour soon. The entire arena is around $80. None of the BS tiered pricing for exorbitant amounts on money. Now that's a band that keeps it real for fans!! but, I digress.

They'd be playing to half empty arenas if they charged U2 prices.

I believe you are underestimating them but it certainly is your opinion. U2's ticket pricing in NY was disgusting. And just because the demand would be higher for U2, it does not justify what they charged. It will forever leave a bad taste. Matter of fact, it should be the other way around. With Bono's lethargic, sluggish, mail it in performances (especially on the war horses), they should have put the tickets on groupon!!  The shows earlier in their career were worth more coin.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 05, 2016, 11:27:16 AM
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I've got a few friends who are die-hard PJ fans.  Their music just doesn't speak to me- at all.  I've seen videos of performances and I just don't recall Vedder ever being that lively of a performer, whereas Bono at times is doing calisthenics.

I'm not necessarily referring to just physicality. I'm talking about stepping into the tunes with emotion, desire, and drive. Bono used to deliver that but for whatever reason, this is no longer the case. Maybe too much travel, drinking, burning the candle at both ends, or treating it like a part -time job!!  Who knows......
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 05, 2016, 11:48:56 AM
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I've got a few friends who are die-hard PJ fans.  Their music just doesn't speak to me- at all.  I've seen videos of performances and I just don't recall Vedder ever being that lively of a performer, whereas Bono at times is doing calisthenics.

Love them or not....they bring it every night!  ;D

https://youtu.be/QnwPvjE4sUI
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 05, 2016, 12:04:36 PM
Okay Red, stop trying to make fetch happen   :D
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Mr. Red on February 05, 2016, 01:58:23 PM
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Okay Red, stop trying to make fetch happen   :D

10-4, my duties are done for the day!!
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: markreed on February 06, 2016, 08:05:34 AM
Er, I never saw a phoned in U2 show or song on *this* tour. There were certain tours (2005, for example), where some songs were pathetically weak in performance and execution (such as "Bullet The Snooze Sky"), but this tour? Absochuffinglutelynot.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on February 06, 2016, 10:07:50 AM
Yeah I didn't sense any going through the motions at my I+E show (London 4) and the crowd atmosphere seemed great even from my spot in the upper tier.  Bono even said he sensed something special about that night after AIWIY.  But maybe he says that to all the girls.

Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: markreed on February 06, 2016, 10:22:45 AM
I can assure you he doesn't say that to all the girls. ;)
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: New Zooland on February 07, 2016, 04:16:49 AM
The worst U2 song is also the best U2 song. 14 years after its creation One was brutally mangled by its writers (with Mary J Blige). Alas.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: briscoetheque on February 07, 2016, 05:28:45 AM
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There are a lot of songs I don't love, lots of the ones listed already, but the only U2 song I actually hate is The Hands That Built America. Am I the only one??
Nah, you're not. Can't stand it. Ingratiating tripe.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: riffraff on February 09, 2016, 07:34:29 AM
ok, I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Hands That Built America...not a great song...it goes on and on and on. BUT, it has reference to the 911 tragedy...please respect that, even if you don't like the song.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: iehomecoming on February 09, 2016, 08:05:19 AM
Crap song is a crap song no matter how many vague references are in it.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: The Exile on February 09, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
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Crap song is a crap song no matter how many vague references are in it.

Nah, bro. Menudo have a new song out about the Irish potato famine. Check it out.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Dali on February 10, 2016, 04:44:12 AM
I cannot believe how many good songs have been mentioned on this thread. "Wild Honey", "Some Days Are Better Than Others" and "Trip Through Your Wires" are all great songs even though neither of them is typical for U2.

I'm not that fond of "Are You Gonna Wait Forever" and the Wide Awake in Europe version of "Mercy". But then, their worst song may or may not have got anything to do with Elvis.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: codeguy on February 11, 2016, 04:18:27 PM
You guys are completely off the mark here, referencing mediocre songs that are also not really offensive. There are WAY worse U2 songs than Wild honey, hands that built america and Are you gonna wait forever.

Here's a top ten for me, and yes, I am taking a few liberties with my definition of a "u2 song":

1. Elvis Ate America - How did this total POS make its way onto an otherwise excellent Passengers OST1 record?
2. Bono's cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" - He apologized to Leonard cohen for it!!
3. Drunk Chicken/America - It's comedy, and if you like comedy, it's perfect. However, it's not very good musically. In fact, it's crap - but I think that was the point. I assume alcohol or other indulgence was involved.
4. 4th of July - How did this weak studio doodle make its way onto the greatest of all U2 records, when the Unforgettable Fire had so many amazing outtakes. From Yoshino Blossom to 60 seconds in kingdom come, bass trap, love comes tumbling, disappearing act, three sunrises, not to mention the excellent stuff that eventually found its way onto the Captive soundtrack, there were plenty of other options! Good job 'Bad' came along and redeemed the second half of hte album!
5. Stand Up Comedy. Hilarious. Unlike Drunk chicken, this was not meant to be funny. Winter, Soon, Mercy, there were plenty of alternatives to flesh out the NLOTH record.
6. Street Mission. In a U2 era that produced out of control, 11 o clock tick tock and I will follow, they instead used this waste of (a lot of ) energy for their very first TV appearance. Embarrassing!
7. Jerusalem - This is an excellent song, and Bono totally butchered it at Glastonbury!
8. Discotheque. How this godawful song was such a huge worldwide hit, I will never know. It didn't stand the test of time, but for some inexplicable reason, in 1997, the world just couldn't get enough of that lovin' dovin' stuff....
9. Get on your boots. Satan loves a bomb scare but he won't scare you? WTF????
10. As if the previous set of woofers wasn't enough, 'Haiti Mon Amour", the collaboration with Rihanna, was .... well, more like 'Haiti, Je suis la merde.'
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on February 11, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
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You guys are completely off the mark here, referencing mediocre songs that are also not really offensive. There are WAY worse U2 songs than Wild honey, hands that built america and Are you gonna wait forever.

Here's a top ten for me, and yes, I am taking a few liberties with my definition of a "u2 song":

1. Elvis Ate America - How did this total POS make its way onto an otherwise excellent Passengers OST1 record?
2. Bono's cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" - He apologized to Leonard cohen for it!!
3. Drunk Chicken/America - It's comedy, and if you like comedy, it's perfect. However, it's not very good musically. In fact, it's crap - but I think that was the point. I assume alcohol or other indulgence was involved.
4. 4th of July - How did this weak studio doodle make its way onto the greatest of all U2 records, when the Unforgettable Fire had so many amazing outtakes. From Yoshino Blossom to 60 seconds in kingdom come, bass trap, love comes tumbling, disappearing act, three sunrises, not to mention the excellent stuff that eventually found its way onto the Captive soundtrack, there were plenty of other options! Good job 'Bad' came along and redeemed the second half of hte album!
5. Stand Up Comedy. Hilarious. Unlike Drunk chicken, this was not meant to be funny. Winter, Soon, Mercy, there were plenty of alternatives to flesh out the NLOTH record.
6. Street Mission. In a U2 era that produced out of control, 11 o clock tick tock and I will follow, they instead used this waste of (a lot of ) energy for their very first TV appearance. Embarrassing!
7. Jerusalem - This is an excellent song, and Bono totally butchered it at Glastonbury!
8. Discotheque. How this godawful song was such a huge worldwide hit, I will never know. It didn't stand the test of time, but for some inexplicable reason, in 1997, the world just couldn't get enough of that lovin' dovin' stuff....
9. Get on your boots. Satan loves a bomb scare but he won't scare you? WTF????
10. As if the previous set of woofers wasn't enough, 'Haiti Mon Amour", the collaboration with Rihanna, was .... well, more like 'Haiti, Je suis la merde.'

Correct me if I'm wrong, but its all a matter of personal opinion and taste. You call everyone else out over their choices, and then list your own. Go figure.

I happen to hate WOWY, COBL, Elevation but LOVE Elvis Presley & America, Miami and Shadows And Tall Trees - and Im sticking with my opinions.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 11, 2016, 06:34:01 PM
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You guys are completely off the mark here, referencing mediocre songs that are also not really offensive. There are WAY worse U2 songs than Wild honey, hands that built america and Are you gonna wait forever.

Here's a top ten for me, and yes, I am taking a few liberties with my definition of a "u2 song":

1. Elvis Ate America - How did this total POS make its way onto an otherwise excellent Passengers OST1 record?
2. Bono's cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" - He apologized to Leonard cohen for it!!
3. Drunk Chicken/America - It's comedy, and if you like comedy, it's perfect. However, it's not very good musically. In fact, it's crap - but I think that was the point. I assume alcohol or other indulgence was involved.
4. 4th of July - How did this weak studio doodle make its way onto the greatest of all U2 records, when the Unforgettable Fire had so many amazing outtakes. From Yoshino Blossom to 60 seconds in kingdom come, bass trap, love comes tumbling, disappearing act, three sunrises, not to mention the excellent stuff that eventually found its way onto the Captive soundtrack, there were plenty of other options! Good job 'Bad' came along and redeemed the second half of hte album!
5. Stand Up Comedy. Hilarious. Unlike Drunk chicken, this was not meant to be funny. Winter, Soon, Mercy, there were plenty of alternatives to flesh out the NLOTH record.
6. Street Mission. In a U2 era that produced out of control, 11 o clock tick tock and I will follow, they instead used this waste of (a lot of ) energy for their very first TV appearance. Embarrassing!
7. Jerusalem - This is an excellent song, and Bono totally butchered it at Glastonbury!
8. Discotheque. How this godawful song was such a huge worldwide hit, I will never know. It didn't stand the test of time, but for some inexplicable reason, in 1997, the world just couldn't get enough of that lovin' dovin' stuff....
9. Get on your boots. Satan loves a bomb scare but he won't scare you? WTF????
10. As if the previous set of woofers wasn't enough, 'Haiti Mon Amour", the collaboration with Rihanna, was .... well, more like 'Haiti, Je suis la merde.'

love this list.  totally agree Elvis Ate America is one of the worst sonic crimes of any band, ever.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on February 11, 2016, 07:34:48 PM
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You guys are completely off the mark here, referencing mediocre songs that are also not really offensive. There are WAY worse U2 songs than Wild honey, hands that built america and Are you gonna wait forever.

Here's a top ten for me, and yes, I am taking a few liberties with my definition of a "u2 song":

1. Elvis Ate America - How did this total POS make its way onto an otherwise excellent Passengers OST1 record?
2. Bono's cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" - He apologized to Leonard cohen for it!!
3. Drunk Chicken/America - It's comedy, and if you like comedy, it's perfect. However, it's not very good musically. In fact, it's crap - but I think that was the point. I assume alcohol or other indulgence was involved.
4. 4th of July - How did this weak studio doodle make its way onto the greatest of all U2 records, when the Unforgettable Fire had so many amazing outtakes. From Yoshino Blossom to 60 seconds in kingdom come, bass trap, love comes tumbling, disappearing act, three sunrises, not to mention the excellent stuff that eventually found its way onto the Captive soundtrack, there were plenty of other options! Good job 'Bad' came along and redeemed the second half of hte album!
5. Stand Up Comedy. Hilarious. Unlike Drunk chicken, this was not meant to be funny. Winter, Soon, Mercy, there were plenty of alternatives to flesh out the NLOTH record.
6. Street Mission. In a U2 era that produced out of control, 11 o clock tick tock and I will follow, they instead used this waste of (a lot of ) energy for their very first TV appearance. Embarrassing!
7. Jerusalem - This is an excellent song, and Bono totally butchered it at Glastonbury!
8. Discotheque. How this godawful song was such a huge worldwide hit, I will never know. It didn't stand the test of time, but for some inexplicable reason, in 1997, the world just couldn't get enough of that lovin' dovin' stuff....
9. Get on your boots. Satan loves a bomb scare but he won't scare you? WTF????
10. As if the previous set of woofers wasn't enough, 'Haiti Mon Amour", the collaboration with Rihanna, was .... well, more like 'Haiti, Je suis la merde.'
Agree for the most part, but I find 4th of July to be a very beautiful instrumental song. Love Discotheque as well!
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Kite32 on February 12, 2016, 01:57:19 AM
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You guys are completely off the mark here, referencing mediocre songs that are also not really offensive. There are WAY worse U2 songs than Wild honey, hands that built america and Are you gonna wait forever.

Here's a top ten for me, and yes, I am taking a few liberties with my definition of a "u2 song":

1. Elvis Ate America - How did this total POS make its way onto an otherwise excellent Passengers OST1 record?
2. Bono's cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" - He apologized to Leonard cohen for it!!
3. Drunk Chicken/America - It's comedy, and if you like comedy, it's perfect. However, it's not very good musically. In fact, it's crap - but I think that was the point. I assume alcohol or other indulgence was involved.
4. 4th of July - How did this weak studio doodle make its way onto the greatest of all U2 records, when the Unforgettable Fire had so many amazing outtakes. From Yoshino Blossom to 60 seconds in kingdom come, bass trap, love comes tumbling, disappearing act, three sunrises, not to mention the excellent stuff that eventually found its way onto the Captive soundtrack, there were plenty of other options! Good job 'Bad' came along and redeemed the second half of hte album!
5. Stand Up Comedy. Hilarious. Unlike Drunk chicken, this was not meant to be funny. Winter, Soon, Mercy, there were plenty of alternatives to flesh out the NLOTH record.
6. Street Mission. In a U2 era that produced out of control, 11 o clock tick tock and I will follow, they instead used this waste of (a lot of ) energy for their very first TV appearance. Embarrassing!
7. Jerusalem - This is an excellent song, and Bono totally butchered it at Glastonbury!
8. Discotheque. How this godawful song was such a huge worldwide hit, I will never know. It didn't stand the test of time, but for some inexplicable reason, in 1997, the world just couldn't get enough of that lovin' dovin' stuff....
9. Get on your boots. Satan loves a bomb scare but he won't scare you? WTF????
10. As if the previous set of woofers wasn't enough, 'Haiti Mon Amour", the collaboration with Rihanna, was .... well, more like 'Haiti, Je suis la merde.'

I agree with everything here apart from 4th July - it's just a segue really and works well as a kind of mysterious Celtic soundscape. Plus it was used as the intro music on the TUF tour. I like it a lot.
Apart from that I'd add U2's horrific covers of dancing barefoot and everlasting love. And that nonsense they did with green day. Apart from trying to stay 'relevant' by hanging around with people younger than them what were they thinking? Truly appalling...
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 12, 2016, 10:43:12 AM
Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on February 12, 2016, 11:29:00 AM
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Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.

Why? Its a U2 album.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: rubbersoul on February 12, 2016, 11:39:24 AM
Boots
Yahweh
Numb
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 12, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
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Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.

Why? Its a U2 album.
But that's the point; it isn't.  Its a Eno/U2 collaboration (cough No Line On The Horizon cough).  There's a reason its not released as a U2 record.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on February 12, 2016, 12:50:56 PM
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Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.

Why? Its a U2 album.
But that's the point; it isn't.  Its a Eno/U2 collaboration (cough No Line On The Horizon cough).  There's a reason its not released as a U2 record.

Its a U2 album.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 12, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
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Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.

Why? Its a U2 album.
But that's the point; it isn't.  Its a Eno/U2 collaboration (cough No Line On The Horizon cough).  There's a reason its not released as a U2 record.

Its a U2 album.
We could go on forever this way, but its not.  Neither is the Spider Man broadway soundtrack.  The fact that the band has since used tracks from Passengers on greatest hits and b-sides is confusing, but it just isn't a U2 record.  It was released under a different name and they swept the whole release under the rug because they didn't want people confusing it as a new U2 record.  Its a side project and should be mentioned as a footnote, not as canon.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on February 12, 2016, 02:34:02 PM
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Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.

Why? Its a U2 album.
But that's the point; it isn't.  Its a Eno/U2 collaboration (cough No Line On The Horizon cough).  There's a reason its not released as a U2 record.

Its a U2 album.
We could go on forever this way, but its not.  Neither is the Spider Man broadway soundtrack.  The fact that the band has since used tracks from Passengers on greatest hits and b-sides is confusing, but it just isn't a U2 record.  It was released under a different name and they swept the whole release under the rug because they didn't want people confusing it as a new U2 record.  Its a side project and should be mentioned as a footnote, not as canon.

I disagree with you obviously. So, Your Blue Room, Slug, Always And Forever Now and Miss Sarajevo are not U2 songs eh? Funny that.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 12, 2016, 02:42:39 PM
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Don't think anything from Passengers can technically count.
just because those are good songs doesn't make them U2 songs.

Why? Its a U2 album.
But that's the point; it isn't.  Its a Eno/U2 collaboration (cough No Line On The Horizon cough).  There's a reason its not released as a U2 record.

Its a U2 album.
We could go on forever this way, but its not.  Neither is the Spider Man broadway soundtrack.  The fact that the band has since used tracks from Passengers on greatest hits and b-sides is confusing, but it just isn't a U2 record.  It was released under a different name and they swept the whole release under the rug because they didn't want people confusing it as a new U2 record.  Its a side project and should be mentioned as a footnote, not as canon.

I disagree with you obviously. So, Your Blue Room, Slug, Always And Forever Now and Miss Sarajevo are not U2 songs eh? Funny that.
Just because they are good doesn't make them U2 tracks.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 12, 2016, 02:45:46 PM
gotta agree with SpaceJunk.  It may not be an 'official' U2 release but it certainly counts as one of their albums, since all band members contributed in a major way.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 12, 2016, 02:49:24 PM
Its a different band purposely doing something different.  Side project.  Not canon. ;D
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: SlyDanner on February 12, 2016, 02:57:43 PM
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Its a different band purposely doing something different.  Side project.  Not canon. ;D

I understand your point... it's fair.  But then you can legitimately say Pop U2 was a different band than JT U2 in the same sense...

With Passengers they just had Eno as an official band member instead of producing.  Minor difference.  It does belong in the canon   ;)
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 12, 2016, 03:17:38 PM
We will agree to disagree, but to your point, a band can make musical shifts stylistically but the band name doesn't change and the band members don't necessarily change.  With Passengers, both did.  There are quotes of the band stating specifically that Passengers isn't U2, that it is its own project.   Cheers!
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on February 12, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
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We will agree to disagree, but to your point, a band can make musical shifts stylistically but the band name doesn't change and the band members don't necessarily change.  With Passengers, both did.  There are quotes of the band stating specifically that Passengers isn't U2, that it is its own project.   Cheers!

Still disagree. But that's OK as you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Kite32 on February 13, 2016, 01:55:27 AM

I think the point is largely irrelevant. If U2 deside not to call it a U2 record then it isn't a U2 record. However the members of U2 were mostly responsible for it backed up by quite a few other people. Much like a U2 record then!

Only on a fan site could people be splitting hairs this much..!
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Bonobos on February 21, 2016, 04:47:21 AM
Stand Up Comedy
Get On Your Boots
When Love Comes To Town
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: LightMyWay92 on February 21, 2016, 05:58:12 AM
Some of my least favorite:

Get on Your Boots - what were they thinking?
The Playboy Mansion- cringe-inducing garbage
Miami - how did this get allowed on the album?
Mofo - U2 in-name only. 
Crazy Tonight - annoying
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on February 21, 2016, 04:28:46 PM
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Some of my least favorite:

Get on Your Boots - what were they thinking?
The Playboy Mansion- cringe-inducing garbage
Miami - how did this get allowed on the album?
Mofo - U2 in-name only. 

Crazy Tonight - annoying
I'm in pain, but I respect your opinion. What do you mean by "U2 in-name only."?
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Doc_Holiday on February 21, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
Play boy Mansion and Mofo are really good. Mofo is really really good
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on February 21, 2016, 06:29:54 PM
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Play boy Mansion and Mofo are really good. Mofo is really really good
Completely agree. Although Miami isn't really amazing, I can still respect it since they pushed their boundaries a bit and experimented. Can't really say that for all of their bad 2000s songs (which is most of them.)
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Post by: LightMyWay92 on February 21, 2016, 07:29:21 PM
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Some of my least favorite:

Get on Your Boots - what were they thinking?
The Playboy Mansion- cringe-inducing garbage
Miami - how did this get allowed on the album?
Mofo - U2 in-name only. 

Crazy Tonight - annoying
I'm in pain, but I respect your opinion. What do you mean by "U2 in-name only."?
I think I was exaggerating just a little, but it's the electronic production that strays way too far from U2's sound in my opinion.  I know a lot of people on the forum like it though.  It seems to have a bit of cult following.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Bonobos on February 23, 2016, 08:37:25 AM
Miami's a cool song, Playboy Mansion is terrible
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: The Exile on February 23, 2016, 12:37:27 PM
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Miami's a cool song, Playboy Mansion is terrible

Yeah, I recently removed PM from my Pop playlist. I saw them play Miami live in Vienna, and it was amazing. But the album version is hard for me to listen to.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on February 23, 2016, 01:13:20 PM
New York and Miami.  As a West Coaster, maybe its fitting that these songs are horrible.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: The Exile on February 23, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
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New York and Miami.  As a West Coaster, maybe its fitting that these songs are horrible.

But California is worse than both, and I'm from there!
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Post by: So Cruel on February 23, 2016, 01:28:51 PM
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New York and Miami.  As a West Coaster, maybe its fitting that these songs are horrible.

But California is worse than both, and I'm from there!

Maybe they should stop writing songs about places. None of them are very good.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on February 23, 2016, 01:32:31 PM
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New York and Miami.  As a West Coaster, maybe its fitting that these songs are horrible.

But California is worse than both, and I'm from there!

Maybe they should stop writing songs about places. None of them are very good.

You would have thought they would have learnt there lesson following on from Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: The Exile on February 23, 2016, 02:26:11 PM
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New York and Miami.  As a West Coaster, maybe its fitting that these songs are horrible.

But California is worse than both, and I'm from there!

Maybe they should stop writing songs about places. None of them are very good.

You would have thought they would have learnt there lesson following on from Jerusalem.

And their song about Peace On Earth, Missouri, was complete crap.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: jgrooms on April 01, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
Get On Your Boots, Vertigo - These are essentially the same song in my book.
Refugee
Elevation
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Bonobos on April 01, 2016, 02:17:00 PM
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Get On Your Boots, Vertigo - These are essentially the same song in my book.
Refugee
Elevation
THE REFUGEE?!?!! WHAT
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: griffen2014 on April 05, 2016, 05:16:59 PM
Mine would be "One Step Closer". One of the few U2 songs I strongly dislike. I personally blame Noel Gallagher for giving Bono the idea for the song.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: ShankAsu on April 05, 2016, 05:43:49 PM
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Mine would be "One Step Closer". One of the few U2 songs I strongly dislike. I personally blame Noel Gallagher for giving Bono the idea for the song.
Ah, I forgot about that anecdote.  I actually like that track.  Not my favorite from the album but I'd much rather listen to that than Vertigo.  Now I kind of wish Oasis and U2 did a song together.  Or at least Noel with U2.
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: jonnywez on April 06, 2016, 05:53:13 AM
When love comes to Town.........dreadful  :(
Title: Re: Worst U2 song?
Post by: Bonobos on April 06, 2016, 08:48:38 AM
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Mine would be "One Step Closer". One of the few U2 songs I strongly dislike. I personally blame Noel Gallagher for giving Bono the idea for the song.
I would never call it bad, but it's pretty uninteresting and bland