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Title: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: bonoedge on March 10, 2016, 09:01:47 PM
It has been a bit since U2 has done a fan club show. It didn't during the SOI cycle, and barely on the NLOTH cycle. It would be nice to see them play an intimate gig again. I know it is a dream but I'd like to see them play Achtung Baby front to back. Or do a show that is full of deep cuts and b-sides.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: boom boom on March 11, 2016, 03:44:06 AM
Hell, I'm been saying this until I'm blue in the face.  It would be nice once in a while that U2 break up the cycle of album, tour, album and tour cycle and do something different like maybe doing like you said playing a album in full or a deep cut tour and maybe it will give the band new life and vision.  Also I don't think no one would give them flak for doing so as this would be the first time doing it.  Other bands have done so and not been accused of should I say being a "Heritage Act".  Springsteen is currently as we all know on the River Tour get rave reviews, Rush in the past has played Albums in full as examples of bands who still put new music out but just wanted a break from that album/tour cycle.  It may breath new life into U2.  All I really wanted is just a more balance choice of songs when they tour of new songs, hits and deeper cuts and not just a setlist with 2/3 hits and staples and the odd deep cut sometimes.  Even Springsteen said when asked about the river tour and not touring with new songs, by now I think I have earned the right to play what I want without being questioned of whether or not he is a heritage act or not and said he just wanted to break that cycle of album/tour.  He said he even has a solo album already done and ready for release as soon as the river tour is over.  Again, no on would accuse U2 for trying this as they also would continue to make new albums afterward.  Even acts who do not make new music at least in a long time have gotten good reviews when playing albums in full like Peter Gabriel on the So tour and Roger Waters on the Wall.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on March 11, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
Yes.  The Rolling Stones do this on every tour.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: an tha on March 11, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
I've never understood why u2 don't just come out and do tours or groups of shows (however small) just sort of whenever...and break the album, tour, album cycle.

Most acts seem to do it or have done it.

They really could have done a full album show or two by now as well..
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on March 11, 2016, 12:19:25 PM
I just don't get the impression of U2 being much of a 'giving' band from a fan point of view.

There's a reason why album tracklistings are different from set-lists.   Why, for example, the first 8 songs of a Zoo TV show were in a different order to the album.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 11, 2016, 12:22:22 PM
Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on March 11, 2016, 12:26:31 PM
But warm-up shows can be part of a carefully planned tour as an opportunity to build confidence in their playing before a real audience before the main shows get underway.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: an tha on March 11, 2016, 01:30:43 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: SlyDanner on March 11, 2016, 01:35:39 PM
Spontaneous, pushing the envelope, deep tracks, creative...  this is not how U2 does live.  Never have, and time is not being kind to their creative abilities in the studio or on the road.

Sad but true.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: imaginary friend on March 11, 2016, 01:43:19 PM
Hell, just a theater tour of Ireland would be a perfect change of pace. Something for the locals that they could wrap up in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 11, 2016, 02:47:28 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 11, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
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Hell, just a theater tour of Ireland would be a perfect change of pace. Something for the locals that they could wrap up in 2 weeks.

That's a really nice idea.  Perhaps like for the Astoria the shows could be to competition winners only, to make it manageable?  Would it be breaking any discrimination laws if entrants had to have Irish addresses to enter? 
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: boom boom on March 11, 2016, 04:13:13 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?
We just want U2 to break that album tour cycle and not stop making new music.  Sometimes when you try something new, something good might come of it.  If U2 tries an album or deep cut tour and see their core fans go off with excitement they might just come out of it by making the best album of their lives the next time they head into the studio as they just might make an album for their fans and not the world who just don't care for new music from them right now.  You can't argue that.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: imaginary friend on March 11, 2016, 04:19:47 PM
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Hell, just a theater tour of Ireland would be a perfect change of pace. Something for the locals that they could wrap up in 2 weeks.

That's a really nice idea.  Perhaps like for the Astoria the shows could be to competition winners only, to make it manageable?  Would it be breaking any discrimination laws if entrants had to have Irish addresses to enter? 

just don't sell 'em in advance. Walk-up sales only.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on March 11, 2016, 05:22:44 PM
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Hell, just a theater tour of Ireland would be a perfect change of pace. Something for the locals that they could wrap up in 2 weeks.

That's a really nice idea.  Perhaps like for the Astoria the shows could be to competition winners only, to make it manageable?  Would it be breaking any discrimination laws if entrants had to have Irish addresses to enter?

Let's not worry about the logistics of what will never happen.

Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: an tha on March 11, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 11, 2016, 06:25:12 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)

The feeling is mutual - if you weren't on the forum declaring it every 9.5 seconds I might never learn that U2 haven't done (m)any good songs since Wake Up Dead Man :P

Yes, I like Futurology, and yes, it's not as good as The Holy Bible but it's still a quality record and I'm glad they made it.  I supported THB20 shows because it is such a great and important album and it was worth reminding people it's out there and that they should listen to it.  Also it was to commemorate a lost and vitally important band member.  It was also decent when they did the second set which included tracks from Futurology.  However, they haven't put out a new album since those shows, and are instead deciding to do the same 'perform an old album' thing with Everything Must Go - commercially their most sucessful album.  Is that staying noble and artistically relevant?  Feels more like seizing a financial opportunity to get old suckers like me to part with their money to relive memories. 
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: SlyDanner on March 11, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
"Feels more like seizing a financial opportunity to get old suckers like me to part with their money to relive memories. "

based on the majority of their typical set (i.e. every single show), this sounds like the underlying strategy of every U2 tour since... well....
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on March 11, 2016, 06:58:25 PM
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"Feels more like seizing a financial opportunity to get old suckers like me to part with their money to relive memories. "

based on the majority of their typical set (i.e. every single show), this sounds like the underlying strategy of every U2 tour since... well....

This is true.  It's just a bunch of people want to rewrite the history of this band or are totally ignorant of it to begin with.

Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 12, 2016, 04:01:07 AM
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"Feels more like seizing a financial opportunity to get old suckers like me to part with their money to relive memories. "

based on the majority of their typical set (i.e. every single show), this sounds like the underlying strategy of every U2 tour since... well....

I don't think that's quite fair, because with the exception of the final stages of 360 they have always played a sizeable chunk of new material at their concerts. 
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: an tha on March 12, 2016, 04:25:27 AM
The two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

You can celebrate and revisit your past and still be doing stuff that is new and hopefully good.

To be fair to u2 that is what they try and do with their shows....

Nothing stopping them doing shows that look back and give fans the chance to hear things they wouldn't normally hear though amd by doing so it does not mean they are giving up or stopping the 'fight' to make new, fresh and vital material.

Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 12, 2016, 04:56:36 AM
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The two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

You can celebrate and revisit your past and still be doing stuff that is new and hopefully good.

To be fair to u2 that is what they try and do with their shows....

Nothing stopping them doing shows that look back and give fans the chance to hear things they wouldn't normally hear though amd by doing so it does not mean they are giving up or stopping the 'fight' to make new, fresh and vital material.

Agreed that is what U2 try and do with their shows.  The problem is that diehard fans always complain about the choice of old material the band choose to revisit.  I'd be as happy as anyone if they included some less well-known tracks from their back catalogue but we have to be realists about what a crowd of 20,000 or more people in general wants to hear.  The ticket prices are so high (over £100 a seat) that you're going to get a particular kind of audience and the less wealthy diehards are going to be in a minority.  Ticket prices for U2 (and all big-act bands) have doubled and tripled in the past 20 years.

I think we probably all agree that some more shows like the Astoria 2000, and Boston last year, would be great - and I note at neither show did they solely play old songs.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: robgalloway on March 12, 2016, 09:26:25 AM

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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)

Futurology is their best ever IMO

I don't think touring a classic album is admitting defeat ... I think It's a bit of an invite for fans who've maybe forgot about them to come back to the band. If U2 were to do a UF/Joshua Tree tour then I'm sure there's an army of people like my Mam and Dad that would come out of the woodwork and attend their shows again
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: an tha on March 12, 2016, 12:23:45 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)

Futurology is their best ever IMO

I don't think touring a classic album is admitting defeat ... I think It's a bit of an invite for fans who've maybe forgot about them to come back to the band. If U2 were to do a UF/Joshua Tree tour then I'm sure there's an army of people like my Mam and Dad that would come out of the woodwork and attend their shows again

Good point well made.

Although THB is their best album for me - and possibly the best ever by anybody.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Behind the Barricade on March 12, 2016, 12:35:17 PM
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"Feels more like seizing a financial opportunity to get old suckers like me to part with their money to relive memories. "

based on the majority of their typical set (i.e. every single show), this sounds like the underlying strategy of every U2 tour since... well....

I don't think that's quite fair, because with the exception of the final stages of 360 they have always played a sizeable chunk of new material at their concerts.

Typically about third of their shows are made up of new songs and the rest are oldies of which only a very few are rarities, such as Gloria on the I+E tour.  Basically, they show a commitment to playing new material and playing mostly well-known oldies.

As someone who has complained about Pride representing a dead spot in a U2 set-list for a long time now, I now realise, after hearing the crowd reaction to this song at my show, that there is reason why they feel compelled to continue playing it on every tour.

Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 12, 2016, 12:49:36 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)

Futurology is their best ever IMO

I don't think touring a classic album is admitting defeat ... I think It's a bit of an invite for fans who've maybe forgot about them to come back to the band. If U2 were to do a UF/Joshua Tree tour then I'm sure there's an army of people like my Mam and Dad that would come out of the woodwork and attend their shows again

Hate to agree with grumpypants, but THB is definitely the best for me.  Lyrically its unsurpassed.  That said, I never thought MSP had an album like Futurology left in them and am still taken aback by its quality.

No doubt if U2 were to do TUF or any old album in full I'd try and get a ticket to go.  Yet it is not challenging for the band, and especially not the audience, to go and hear something they already know they love and have probably heard many times already on their music apparatus at home.  It's not about reaching out to new fans, rather relying on your established fanbase to part with their cash (tickets for these shows are never cheap) - i.e. a safe bet if you're playing the album which was most commercially successful in the back catalogue. 
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: boom boom on March 12, 2016, 03:47:35 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)

Futurology is their best ever IMO

I don't think touring a classic album is admitting defeat ... I think It's a bit of an invite for fans who've maybe forgot about them to come back to the band. If U2 were to do a UF/Joshua Tree tour then I'm sure there's an army of people like my Mam and Dad that would come out of the woodwork and attend their shows again

Hate to agree with grumpypants, but THB is definitely the best for me.  Lyrically its unsurpassed.  That said, I never thought MSP had an album like Futurology left in them and am still taken aback by its quality.

No doubt if U2 were to do TUF or any old album in full I'd try and get a ticket to go.  Yet it is not challenging for the band, and especially not the audience, to go and hear something they already know they love and have probably heard many times already on their music apparatus at home.  It's not about reaching out to new fans, rather relying on your established fanbase to part with their cash (tickets for these shows are never cheap) - i.e. a safe bet if you're playing the album which was most commercially successful in the back catalogue. 
I think for them trying to play an album that is 30 years old is challenging in itself as they only ever play Pride and Bad regularly.  How do you know that a new fan or even someone who became a fan since ALYCLB might not what to hear these songs live since he/she might have been too young to see the band in the '80s.  You also say that they would just be relying on their established fanbase to part with their cash.  I could argue that even on the I&E tour they are just relying on their established fanbase also.  I can guarantee you that they haven't attracted any new fans on their last 2 albums (nloth, and SOI), but just attracting the core fans to come out and the ones just wanting to hear the big tunes and hits which U2 are most eager to oblige as the I&E setlist is jammed pack with hits.  The only ones enjoying the new songs are the hardcore fans.  On 360 tour, make no mistake they got the record of the biggest tour of all time on the strength of their back catalogue and not on the strength of NOLTH.  I would also remind you that tickets for I&E tour ain't exactly cheap with the top price being $300 and various VIP packages with the top one being $500.  The bottom line is whether or not U2 are making new albums or not or if the decide one day to do a classic album tour they are relying on their established fanbase as like you said to part with their cash.  Make no mistake, when SOE comes out and they resume the tour, there will be no new fans attracted just established ones.  The hardcore fans, the one that will know the new tunes and the casual fans waiting to hear the fav. U2 tunes (we all know what they are)  which I'm sure U2 will feel yet again obliged to play.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: il_capo on March 12, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
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Everything is very carefully planned with U2 shows, and I expect that's the reason they don't do more shows like this.  The Astoria show in London at the start of the century was fantastic, and the Boston gig last year was excellent too, so they are more than capable of pulling it off.  I don't really want them to do an entire album from their back catalogue as it'd be a statement of defeat in their on-going battle to create new and relevant material.

Playing an album in full for your fans does not in any way stop you creating new music.

Wow, an argument from you that does not rely on how rubbish ATYCLB is - wonders never cease.  I think you'd argue against yourself if the album they played in full was aforementioned masterpiece  :)

Seriously, if you're going to do an old album for the fans, it is conceding defeat that the fans don't think your new stuff is up to it - you're playing to a bunch of people stuck with an old image of you in their heads.  Or to put it another way... why would you want to play "Pop" to a bunch of people who've slagged you off for 20 years?  Bit like going out with someone you jilted 20 years ago whose still sending you poison-pen letters.

Can we think of one artist/band who does "classic album" shows who are still making stuff as good as the album they're performing?

I have missed you flirting with me.  :)

The Manics have toured a full album and are still releasing good stuff...ok not as good as the holy bible but then there aren't many (if any) better albums in history by anybody so that isn't a crime...

Their last album, Futurology is a belter and came out in 2014...they toured the holy bible at the end of 2014.

Futurology was universally acclaimed (rightly so) by critics and fans.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology_(album)

Futurology is their best ever IMO

I don't think touring a classic album is admitting defeat ... I think It's a bit of an invite for fans who've maybe forgot about them to come back to the band. If U2 were to do a UF/Joshua Tree tour then I'm sure there's an army of people like my Mam and Dad that would come out of the woodwork and attend their shows again

Hate to agree with grumpypants, but THB is definitely the best for me.  Lyrically its unsurpassed.  That said, I never thought MSP had an album like Futurology left in them and am still taken aback by its quality.

No doubt if U2 were to do TUF or any old album in full I'd try and get a ticket to go.  Yet it is not challenging for the band, and especially not the audience, to go and hear something they already know they love and have probably heard many times already on their music apparatus at home.  It's not about reaching out to new fans, rather relying on your established fanbase to part with their cash (tickets for these shows are never cheap) - i.e. a safe bet if you're playing the album which was most commercially successful in the back catalogue. 
I think for them trying to play an album that is 30 years old is challenging in itself as they only ever play Pride and Bad regularly.  How do you know that a new fan or even someone who became a fan since ALYCLB might not what to hear these songs live since he/she might have been too young to see the band in the '80s.  You also say that they would just be relying on their established fanbase to part with their cash.  I could argue that even on the I&E tour they are just relying on their established fanbase also.  I can guarantee you that they haven't attracted any new fans on their last 2 albums (nloth, and SOI), but just attracting the core fans to come out and the ones just wanting to hear the big tunes and hits which U2 are most eager to oblige as the I&E setlist is jammed pack with hits.  The only ones enjoying the new songs are the hardcore fans.  On 360 tour, make no mistake they got the record of the biggest tour of all time on the strength of their back catalogue and not on the strength of NOLTH.  I would also remind you that tickets for I&E tour ain't exactly cheap with the top price being $300 and various VIP packages with the top one being $500.  The bottom line is whether or not U2 are making new albums or not or if the decide one day to do a classic album tour they are relying on their established fanbase as like you said to part with their cash.  Make no mistake, when SOE comes out and they resume the tour, there will be no new fans attracted just established ones.  The hardcore fans, the one that will know the new tunes and the casual fans waiting to hear the fav. U2 tunes (we all know what they are)  which I'm sure U2 will feel yet again obliged to play.

I am not so sure they’ve attracted *no* new fans with their 2 most recent releases.  I don’t think we can say that with any certainty.  Why would the record company get them to do all the promo if it was entirely ineffective?  That said, SOI is musically their most unadventurous album and I wonder if anyone would’ve noticed it on those terms if it wasn’t released under the label “U2”.  But I’ll certainly agree that the reason that 360 sold many tickets was the strength of the brand name “U2”, built up by their back catalogue. 

You’re right that it would be a technical challenge learning to play an old album, especially if it’s The Unforgettable Fire, where there are tracks that they never played at the time: 4th of July, Elvis Presley and America, Promenade.  And yes, I am sure that anyone who has become a fan since the album came out and was too young to be there at the time, would like to go and hear those songs.  My point is that it is not a challenge to the audience to give them what they already know.  And I’m pretty sure that’s why they’re not currently contemplating doing album-based shows (though the 2011 360 “Achtung Baby” intro sequence was a nod in that direction). With SOI and earlier tours, there was a thematic structure and the inclusion of copious amounts of new songs that inspired the audience to find new angles to what they were hearing.  The best example of that, obviously, was Zoo TV.  They took their audience into new terrains with that show.
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: boom boom on March 13, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
I just think that once a band hits the stage that U2 are now, some 36 years in, it is just going to be established fan base whether it be core fans or casual fans.   Whether U2 puts on a thematic structure or not it will just be the core fans that know the new material while the abundance of the audience the casual fans are just there to hear the hits and staples.  It would really be interesting if someone took a random survey on the next tour as people walk in, if they are there to a)hear the new songs b)just want to hear the hits c)want to hear rarities d)a balanced mix of the three.  It would actually be interesting how many people attending actually know the name of the new album or even if they knew U2 had a new album out.  At least U2 would know what they are dealing with and a more realistic picture if their new music is getting across as these are the actual people attending the shows. 
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: Mr. Red on March 13, 2016, 03:32:09 PM
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I just think that once a band hits the stage that U2 are now, some 36 years in, it is just going to be established fan base whether it be core fans or casual fans.   Whether U2 puts on a thematic structure or not it will just be the core fans that know the new material while the abundance of the audience the casual fans are just there to hear the hits and staples.  It would really be interesting if someone took a random survey on the next tour as people walk in, if they are there to a)hear the new songs b)just want to hear the hits c)want to hear rarities d)a balanced mix of the three.  It would actually be interesting how many people attending actually know the name of the new album or even if they knew U2 had a new album out.  At least U2 would know what they are dealing with and a more realistic picture if their new music is getting across as these are the actual people attending the shows.

Here in the states, a large majority of people don't even know who our vice president is let alone the name of a new U2 record  :o
Title: Re: Should U2 Do A Special Fun Club Show Again?
Post by: boom boom on March 13, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
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I just think that once a band hits the stage that U2 are now, some 36 years in, it is just going to be established fan base whether it be core fans or casual fans.   Whether U2 puts on a thematic structure or not it will just be the core fans that know the new material while the abundance of the audience the casual fans are just there to hear the hits and staples.  It would really be interesting if someone took a random survey on the next tour as people walk in, if they are there to a)hear the new songs b)just want to hear the hits c)want to hear rarities d)a balanced mix of the three.  It would actually be interesting how many people attending actually know the name of the new album or even if they knew U2 had a new album out.  At least U2 would know what they are dealing with and a more realistic picture if their new music is getting across as these are the actual people attending the shows.

Here in the states, a large majority of people don't even know who our vice president is let alone the name of a new U2 record  :o
I'm from Canada, so I have an excuse (but I still know).  But that is the point, if the vast majority of people entering the arena don't even know the name of the current U2 album, why bother continuing?  In the past they have said, they would rather hang it up than continue making records that fall on deaf ears.